Does anybody have any more information about these guys?
The Adepta Sororitas is often the more popular face of the Ministorum's Military but lore wise there should be untold numbers of Frateris Militia fighting in Wars of Faith.
8th Edition 40K Lacks Frateris Militia, Confessors (Such as Pic-Related Kyrinov), and perhaps vehicles used by the Militia (probably improvised like the Goliath Trucks of the Genestealer Cults and Siegfried/Land Crawler of the Death Korp of Krieg.
If they were added then the Ministration can have a proper crusade of expendable troops but sadly they are never mentioned in the Tabletop except for one edition years ago.
I can't remember where, but I recall that a significant portion of the Ordo Hereticus' time was spent supervising the various Frateris Militia factions of any significant size in order to avoid another Vandire situation.
The existence of the Sisters of Battle as the Ecclessiarchy's primary fighting force is because of rules-lawyering to get around the ban on Ecclessiarchs having any standing MEN-at-arms.
As for models, why would they be any different to your typical guardsmen or conscript rules with a few more priests thrown in?
Carter Kelly
I imagine the Frateris Militia to be more akin to "Chaos Cultist" for the Imperium
Carter Bailey
Speaking of which, what vehicles would the Frateris Militia have? I would imagine they may be similar to what the local Planetary Defense Force to have. Would it be similar to the Imperial Guard but just in less numbers and lower quality? Or something else.
Jayden Moore
I think it would depend on the situation really.
No doubt the Faith would have their contacts and supporters in PDF maybe even local Guard regiments which they could "borrow" kit from at a push.
Not to mention well off backers with their own security forces, Rogue Traders and the like.
Landon Turner
>tfw you only have the SoB and Officio assassinorum to represent the Ecclesiarcy
Carson Brown
As far as I understand, they are a militia in every sense of the world - they're armed with whatever the Ministorum has locked away to defend their chapels, or pious volunteers drawn to a crusade. Could be as good as a PDF force or even the guard, with all the equipment that entails, or be little more than cultists (which is how I'd homebrew them, maybe with some generous homebrewing from the Vraks stuff from Forgeworld).
Jaxon Howard
Yeah, the Goliaths would be good for them. Get a second faction using them.
Jose Hughes
I wonder what kinda stuff the Fraternis Templar had?
Were they just powered armored humans like the SoB?
Ian Hill
I imagine they were likely closer to stormtroopers (Carapace armour) than SOB.
Jaxon Stewart
Maybe, but at the same time all this Church weaponry didn't just pop outta nowhere.
Ethan Nelson
Yeah but the power armour deal is expressly mentioned for the SOB in the 3e codex so I imagine they were given the best gear as the most elite people.
Austin Morris
Fraternis Templar were the army of Goge Vandire a High Lord of Terra. When he was assassinated in Age of Apostasy the Templars disbanded, the famous ban on men at arms effected and they were replaced by the Sororitas. Equipment wise I sort of see Sororitas inheriting lot of their heavier machinery and weaponry from the armories of the Templars.
Jack Cruz
Wide variety of fantasy men at arms parts with 40k mixed in. At best looking like this:
This unit contains 9 Frateris Militia and 1 Lay Preacher. It can include up to 10 additional Frateris Militia. Each model is armed with an autogun, autopistol and blasting charges.
Shield of Faith, Acts of Faith
Vanguard: Once both sides are deployed but before the first player takes their turn, this unit can move as if it were their Movement phase. If both players have units that can do this, the player who is taking the first turn moves their units first. If all of the models embarked on a transport vehicle have this ability, then the transport vehicle can make the move instead
Fanatical Devotion: Roll a D6 each time a friendly ADEPTA SORORITAS INFANTRY unir loses a wound whilst they are within 3" of this unit; on a 5+ a model from this unit can intercept that hit – the character does not lose a wound but this unit suffers a mortal wound.
Give them access to a mix of genestealer cultist and SOB weapons for special/heavy (So they can all take hand flamers, a couple of guys can carry a flamer or a mining laser or such).
William Baker
They'd likely mostly use general imperial base-tier stuff (Chimeras, Leman Russ etc).
Julian Smith
The Templars were the fighting force of the Ecclesiarchy for centuries before Vandire.
With the Ecclesiarchy moving away from Terra they needed their own military force that they could rely on, both for it's own protection and to take an active roll in stopping revolts.
After Vandire murdered his way to the position of High Lord (Master of the Administratum) he also took over the Ecclesiarchy, deposing the puppet leader he had helped get elected.
It was at this point the Templars became "Vandire's army" and carried out orders based on his madness.
Adam Rivera
>It was at this point the Templars became "Vandire's army" and carried out orders based on his madness.
Then they all got eaten by the warp. Because seriously, Sebastian Thor is fucking bullshit. Not sure what the deal was with him (With the new revelations about the Emperor in the HH books he doesn't seem remotely like someone the Emperor we know of would approve of...but then, neither does Celestine. At the same time, his presence was the opposite of chaotic (It actively made the warp less tempestuous around him)) but he was pretty cool and very confusing.
William Phillips
>The Adepta Sororitas is often the more popular face of the Ministorum's Military
The Adepta Sororitas is the only face of the Ministorum's military.
The Frateris Militia are either or more like Brettonian peasants; they're along for the ride, but they're basically worthless.
If you want to represent them, an unbound force of Goliaths and Whiteshields led by preachers would be about as accurate as you could hope for. They're not crack troops, they have no specialists or particular special rules, they're just angry pitchfork-waving mobs.
Even giving them all flak armor and lasguns is probably going too far.
Jonathan Adams
I'd use those cargo trucks the genestealer cultists got.
Ian Jenkins
In lore Frateris Militias are ad-hoc and raised at need be, they're not a permanent standing army. They're horribly equipped and often just crazed masses with bludgeon and edge weapons. Sometimes they'll have autoguns and maybe lasguns
They're used as meatshields for the Sisters of Battle
Gabriel Garcia
So like the stats posted earlier in the thread?
Nolan Clark
>ws4 >bs4 Wat? They are militiamen, not trained guardsmen and certainly not Scions.
Angel Brooks
They're just dudes. Run allied infantry squads Orlocks Gangers and you'll get close enough. Zealots/Redemptionists would be a lot more interesting as Ministorum fodder IMO.
Brody Roberts
Stats had some changes in 8th Ed. 4+ =/= 4.
Josiah Scott
You know 8e changed how it works, right? 4+, not previous editions BS4. Scions are 3+, those stats put them equal to Chaos Cultists (Who are also 4+).
Christian Gomez
Frateris Militia covers everything from devout PDF and IG regiments to laborers with pitchforks and space KKK death-squads. As long as it does what the preacher says, it fits.
Isaac Powell
more like 5+ for frateris
most of them will never have seen a gun, those who have will be the ex-military types who like to claim they killed 500 Black Legionaires on Cadia when in fact they got invalided out at the muster station and did four years of desk, badly
or those who did legitimate service, 20 years ago, and haven't really kept in shape or practiced shooting since
David Richardson
I dunno, Chaos Cultists and Genestealer Cultists are both 4+. Frateris Militia also includes groups like Redeptionists who fight mutants and gangers all the time.
Julian Scott
Frateris militia could take primitive weapons like bows and lances, they were basically a vehicle for selling Fantasy models to 40k players.
Austin Edwards
I guess, but with cults there's at least the intention and the command structure leading to war; with the militia, this is expressly forbidden, so it's going to be full of whackers
on average the mass are going to be pretty bad, but Redemptionists and so on might make interesting special units accompanied by meatshield hordes
like playing all-gretchin with some freebooterz, basically
Kevin Nelson
Fraterias Militia are civilians, they wouldn't have military vehicles.
Hunter Sullivan
They could take or borrow PDF equipment, maybe they said Frateris Militia may also be PDF soldiers or officers of the Enforcer Cadres themselves.
Blake Perez
taking PDF equipment would be very much at the discretion of your planetary governor and likely to get you shot as a cultist
"borrowing" it would imply prior permission; no less risky for you, but if your governor was stupid enough to leave a paper trail, the Inquisition will execute him and any Ecclesiarchy officials involved for breaching the rules on men under arms
Benjamin Perez
Genestealer Cults managed to get Sentinels, Chimeras, and Leman Russ Tanks. But then again Genestealers only fight when they do their mass planetary uprising and I would assume those heavier PDF vehicles were obtained by Neophyte Hybrids who were already in PDF. They simply obeyed their Patriarch when he commanded them to start shooting the Imperium I would imagine.
Ryan Martinez
Klovis the Redeemer's Heavy Support Vehicle "Pulpitek"
Benjamin Nelson
...
Austin Lewis
>Plasma Gun >Bolter >Redemptionist Cultist
I thought bolters and plasma guns are rare for civilian use.
Oliver Martinez
If random hive gangs can have them, the redeemer can have them.
Alexander Walker
Probably unique to Necromunda since it is a hive world that manufactures weapons and the individual houses, House Cawdor for example, own factories themselves.
Jose Long
Would you like to guess which house Klovis the Redeemer is actually from?
Maybe they can make Krieg-Tier Improvised Vehicles such as the Siegfried and if they are good enough, the Ragnarok
Christopher Jones
Why does he have a Mexican hat?
Sebastian Campbell
yeah you've got to figure the Ordo Hereticus is constantly watching out for governors who "lose" equipment like that
maybe
but they've usually got to roll up to a transport with whatever they're taking, and convince the captain to take them to warzones
Jose Harris
why do you not
Jackson Gray
so there are mexican priests in the 41st millenium? nICE!!!
Liam Gray
Well, they are called Catholic Space Nazis for a good reason, they've got a lot of papal thematics.
Logan Mitchell
>yeah you've got to figure the Ordo Hereticus is constantly watching out for governors who "lose" equipment like that
Even worse: The imperial IRS. Stealing from the Imperium is stealing from the Emperor himself!
Jonathan Baker
As with everything in the Imperium, it depends on the planet.
The Waaagh was just defeated and the guard left thousands of leman russes laying around instead of going though the hassle of shipping them to another world (see what happened in Iraq)? Guess what's the new standard farm tractor now!
Very.
Necromunda was intended to be the typical hive world. It is hardly supposed ot be unique in any aspect.
Hudson Miller
Are PDF on cardinal worlds and shrine worlds considered to be Frateris Militia?
Chase Evans
Likely not technically (To avoid issues with the ecclessiarchy's decree passive) but they likely find it very easy to resign from the PDF and join one the moment they need an angry mob to accompany them.
Lincoln Kelly
On one of the planets I'm fucking your mom because everything is possible in 40k.
