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Just got done reading about pic related. Sad affair, to be hoisted by your own petard in the middle of an Alaskan storm. How many other ships have been sunk by ready depth charges lost over the side?
That...is a thing.
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>tfw want to get back into Dystopian wars but all sets are now prohibitively expensive because they went under
reeee
>How many other ships have been sunk by ready depth charges lost over the side?
More than you'd think. Many others were "only" damaged by their own depth charges. Several sinking ships "helped" kill some of their own crew who were already in the water when depth charges aboard the sinking vessel went off.
Even worse, there were instance when escorts steamed through groups of survivors and dropped depth charges because a submarine contact was below them. Official were reticent to admit it, but Monsarrat and others claim it happened.
I think I remember reading about charges going off under survivors before, but I think in the instance I read it was the ships own charges when it went down. Can't remember the ship now. Just as horrifying to think about as watching that video of Barham just ceasing to be knowing that many of those pieces you see flying are people that had been clinging to her bottom.
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Could the upper turret(s?) rotate independent of the lower half?
Nope
>nope
Pity, they might have been slightly effective in an antiaircraft role if they could..
Why didn't they just mount one more gun of the same caliber as the lower two for a jury-rigged triple turret? That way all the guns would have had the same ballistics and could use the same optics and calculations...
Because muh medium caliber rate of fire.
It took over half a decade of theorizing for the step to all-big-gun ships.
There was one class of German battleship that at least had six big gus instead of the usual four and a rather limited medium caliber battery, but it was a horrible design overall.
Also, at that time there were no aircarft.
>Pity, they might have been slightly effective in an antiaircraft role if they could.
>antiaircraft
>aircraft
Their design was approved in 1901.
>I think I remember reading about charges going off under survivors before, but I think in the instance I read it was the ships own charges when it went down.
Yeah, that's what I wrote when I wrote "Several sinking ships "helped" kill some of their own crew who were already in the water when depth charges aboard the sinking vessel went off."
So you did. I'll have to apologize for having poor attention to detail today, it's been one of those days that was preceded by one of those weeks.
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Built some beautiful Queen Elizabeth equivalents that lasted me to the end of the game last time I played RtW. Keen for the sequel, I was imagining them with radar and AA packages
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>Even worse, there were instance when escorts steamed through groups of survivors and dropped depth charges because a submarine contact was below them
I recall reading a book by somebody who actually served on board a destroyer where this happened. The author mentioned the look of the men in the water when they realized what was about to happen was something he never could get out of his head. The worst part was that they later learned it had been a false contact. The submarine that they were hunting wasn't even there, and all those men died for nothing.
>I recall reading a book by somebody who actually served on board a destroyer where this happened.
Monsarrat wrote about such an incident in his novel "The Cruel Sea". He served aboard escorts during WW2 and used his wartime experiences in that novel, another novel, and several short stories about the Battle of the Atlantic.
The "depth charging survivors" scene and others in "The Cruel Sea" caused a bit of stir when published in '51. Monsarrat defending the scenes as fictional accounts of actual incidents and was uniformly supported in that by other BoA veterans.
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I wonder why they ended up going with 2-3 3-2 instead of the more common 3-2 2-3 turret arrangement.
Supposedly that arrangement allowed them to better cram everything into a narrow hull than having the twins superfiring. But narrow hull and higher weight made them topheavy as hell.
Makes sense, bigger turrets going nearer the beam and all.
Is anyone here optimistic for dystopian wars 3.0 which is supposed to happen sometime this year
Thats a thing?
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I hope it happens, and I hope Uncharted Seas comes along for the ride too.
Why did so many US crusiers and destroyes have those gas bottles on the stern?
Are they even gas bottles?
If yes, for pressurized ait?
I assume it's a setup that allows them to be rapidly dropped over the stern, which implies that they might contain something more dangerous.
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I managed to find "The Cruel Sea" some time ago in the clearance bin of a public library (collecting wartime books written shortly after WW2, especially naval ones, is kind of my hobby, although normally I find them at antiquariats). It was fairly good. I gave it to my dad, who had seen the movie based on the book (he also has a far larger collection of old war books than I do, and got me started on the whole thing). He didn't like it, however. Said the Germans were "too nazi" and that the movie was better.
>Said the Germans were "too nazi"
WTF? There isn't a single German character in the entire book. Hell, you only see maybe two U-boats and one of those is after the surrender. I don't know what book your father read, but it was NOT "The Cruel Sea".
>>and that the movie was better.
Different strokes for different folks.
HAving seen some of the renders, no. They’ve made the ships all a bit generic and similar, which isn’t what I want for over the top vsf, and they’ve changed the scale of ground forces, making the two games incompatible and invalidating all my models.
Bah!
Not at all, from what I've read they're going to merge dystopian wars lore with their generic, boring and frankly racist/orientalist setting.
All of Asia is one country now, and they're all just Fumanchu stereotypes led by some mysterious "Heavenly Emperor"
Also expect them to drop all countries that aren't "established enough" in their lore, so most non-majors and a few majors (France, maybe Russia) can kiss their butts good-bye.
It's really sad because even if the DW lore was silly and full of funny stereotypes, at least it did something different than all other generic steampunk settings. Japanese-Russian war in on Hokaido with rockets? Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth existing in the 19th century? Communist South America of all places? Franco-German alliance? You won't find these in your average "moustached british nobles on skyships hunting negros" steampunk settings.
Speaking of blacks, they're also planning to vhange the entire FSA lore, now instead of living out the Founding Father's vision (the USA quickly growing so industrially advanced slavery becomes obsolete by 1820), the civil war actually WAS about slavery and the CSA still wins. So expect negro galleys or some other such shit to bait /pol/tards into buying.
I hadn't realized they'd been posting snippets and teasers. That's really disappointing if that's the tack they're taking. Modelwise, I would have expected that the Spartan would have licensed them to use existing shit as part of the deal the way Mongoose got to use B5 Wars models for B5 ACTA. Lorewise, that's even more disappointing.
I wound up having to add one to my next list of Shapeways purchases because of delicious treaty weirdness.
>delicious treaty weirdness
The Salt Lake City, aka "Swayback Maru", is considered to have one of the best war records among USN cruisers. Not too bad for a treaty weirdo.
She had some great stories about her, I'm gonna have to go back and reread them now. I'm also gonna have to file the bottom of my model now to get the list just right.
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Ugh, what? I didn’t know that about the Civil War fluff. I’m going to have to go and read up so that I can get angry about what they’ve done to Spartan’s work.
In case anyone here's interested about the stories.
Picture very much unrelated.
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>On one of those raids the steering wheel, loosened by the jar of the firing, fell off. The helmsman held it up in his two hands. And he turned to the captain with deference.
>"Sir," he said, "what do I do with this now?"
>"Switch steering to auxiliary steering aft," ordered the sweating Captain.
>The crew fell into a certain nonchalance about combat. At Saipan the officer of the deck accepted a line from a tanker and started fueling while an air attack was going on at an island two miles away.
>Off Okinawa, Poncho Miller, the boss of the lookouts, reported calmly, "Jap Betty (a bombing plane) is directly overhead."
>"Signal it to keep going," was the reply.
Why are they trying to make their ship roll over?
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Looks like the entire air wing of Lexitoga there.
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Hey what do you guys think about the exercise tiger disaster?
At least they got some useful info out of it.
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I was doing some research on the E-boat and found this osprey manual that isn't in the folder. It has a lot of good detail
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My god, predread bingo!
(unless I'm blind and that's not a tumblehome hull...)
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For a Marine National design, that almost looks normal.
I *think* it is.
No tumblehome sadly. That's one of 2 Edgar Quinet-class armored cruisers the MN oddly build a couple years after the UK and Germany had begun building battlecruisers.
As a fan of both MN preadread weirdness, and interwar practical designs (including excellent treaty cruisers) I have to ask, at what point does the MN decide to reexamine it's priorities and start building good, practical ships?
It depended on the ship type. As weird as their ACs, predreds, semidreds, and dreds were, the MN's pre-WW1 destroyer and sub designs were pretty good.
Basically it was after WW1 that the MN pulled it's head out of it's ass with regards to cruisers and battleships. France no longer had to worry about a worldwide naval war against a major power, could somewhat concentrate on the Med, and, despite having a smaller budget to work with, could start from scatch.
In a fleet of oddities wouldn't the normal one be the oddest one?
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So I've been reading the shit out of the Aubrey-Maturin series lately and want to play some naval wargames. The more realistic the better.
Which ones would y'all recommend for friend #1 that has never done any wargaming and friend #2 that has only played 40k but wants to do more?
>Why did so many US crusiers and destroyes have those gas bottles on the stern?
>Are they even gas bottles?
Those are smoke generators.
The USN was weird in WW2 in that EVERY surface combatant from the little Destroyers to the Iowa-class battleships were designed to generate smoke.
The Iowa herself received and carried the rigging for the smoke generators, but they realized that the Iowa powerplants were actually much more capable of smoke generation than those little generators and that was that for US Fast Battleship dedicated smoke generators.
You can actually see the mountings for these in some of the photos of the Iowa on the Archive sites.
France stop, you're building botes that look like they're upside down.
I think they knew they were building weird shit, but they'd already gone too far and just kept accelerating to see where they'd end up.
Damn, I should've realied.
They look different from the British or German smoke pots.
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>two little botes came from the french yard, the designer cried "Oui, Oui, Oui! All ze tumblehome!"
Alternatively, these botes will reveal their true powerlevel when it looks like they'll capsize, but instead they roll over and reveal an identical superstructure and battery from below.
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RTW2 when?
are there any other good pre-dreadnought - wwi era naval games?
Steam and Iron
Distant Guns and Jutland. Both by storm eagle studios.
Waiting for them to make a ww2 game.
Do you happen to have those two as a free preview version if you know what I mean.
Unfortunately I do not, though I'm sure some user knows where you can get a free preview version.
