Are "Sleep" spells mind altering and thus evil?

Are "Sleep" spells mind altering and thus evil?

Wait a minute, you missed the discussion!

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The only spells that are [evil] are marked as such.

The major reason is to designate them as [npc] spells, spells that are more appropriate for opponents of the PCs rather than the PCs themselves. The secondary reason is fluff oriented.

Sleep allows PCs to do things like put guards out of action without having to kill them. It has many other non-evil uses, since the alternatives are usually far worse. Both mechanically and by fluff, it isn't inherently evil.

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I bet sleeping with Cestree would be mind altering.

No more than tranquilizers.

Tranquilisers are pretty evil, you can feel the evil alignment practically radiating off of them.

Is giving a patient anesthetics before surgery evil?

It is if it's involuntary.

Treating insomia

Mind-affecting =/= mind altering

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>mind altering
>evil
lmao

if i can change people's beliefs then i decide what's good and evil. what are you gonna do, disagree?

No, but the same can't be said of the "surprise" the barbarian decided to use to wake one of the bandits up with. Poor guy will never be the same after that.

Mind altering spells are not evil.

Next question.

No, they're body altering.

Do sleep spells cause you to sleep or is it more of an instant coma?

Is a warm glass of milk a mind-control potion?
If not, then sleep is not a mind-control spell.

>Is a warm glass of milk a mind-control potion?

It makes skeletons do weird shit.

Milk isn't good for your bones, the calcium can't go through the right metabolic pathways.
Cheese, though. Cheese s great for bones.

what if the patient is attempting self harm?

Sleep is a mind affecting spell.

A mind affecting spell is one where there is a single initial effect which targets the mind, with no lingering changes or lasting effects. Sleep and suggestion come under this topic suggestion is contentious, but since it is limited to a single suggestion without lingering effects, it falls here- you can still use it for evil purposes however, such as date rape.

A mind altering spell is a spell designed to cause a change in the targets beliefs, attitudes or perceptions, which is usually a persistent effect- in effect, it aims to change who the person it. These spells are evil.

self harm is a felony punishable by corporal punishment, much as suicide is punishable by death.

You're making a lot of questions, you must feel tired
How about you lay down for a while