/STG/ - Star Trek General

And, as a purist, I also use a phaser/quantum torpedo build.

>I get irrationally angry when I see people piloting a Prometheus variant without using the multi-vector modes.

I don't play STO, but I really like the full design of the Prometheus even though I think MVAM looks stupid. So that would probably be me.

Frontiers has ground stuff? How does that work?

We are of the same mind.

fuck I love using MVAM console.

>MVAM + plasma fire

What can I say, I have a lot of love for forward firing weapons.

And yes, Plasma weapons tend to be my favorite damage type...until everything got resistances to plasma.

and since you had to post that bastard, take a look at this sexy beast.

>"dude you're in an escort, why do you have tractor beam repulsors with Graga Mal? that's a tank thing"
>pop MVAM
>pop TBB to pull everything in
>pop Firebringer
>everything fucking burns to death
Hestia is bestia

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the Hestia class is sexiest fucking starship in the entire federation fleet.

I would fuck the shit out of it, make babies, and fuck those babies to make more hestia's. I literally bought that ship the day it came out.

i run all my ships as canon-ish as possible.

but that's not how you say atlas class. or excelsior. or yamato. or ranger. or perseus. or gemini. or constitution. or miranda.

sorry, but hestia et al are a bad call for 'prettiest' etc.

I like to keep my stuff within "STO canon" I guess

all my tos era and tos movie era ships use pulse phaserssince AoY is in that time frame. and i LOVE me dat WoK phaser strike effect.

although i DO also love me that WIDE quantum. because crapping out 5? x 5 torpedoes in one spread is ALWAYS hilarious.

Dual nacelles doubled by joining two nacelles keel to keel for exponentional warp power increase over a connie.

What's better, Ascendancy or Fleet Captains? Not gonna lie, I'm leaning towards Fleet Captains because the minis look much nicer (and are more varied).

Ascendancy is a mediocre but for its brokeness space 4x which needs the Borg expac to fix. FCs is Trek in a box.

wasnt there a voyager game that was pretty good? I remember something about it a long time ago that had and set in the voyager period.

>FCs is Trek in a box
I am intrigued. Explain.

Ascendancy is pretty fun. Don't know about Fleet Captains though.

i've never been able to get it to the table
That being said, you have a few ships running around an unknown nebula as the basis of the game, that alone elevates it above Ascendancy.

Did the Battle of the Binary Stars happen in the Mirror Universe?

I'm curious to know what the Klingons in the Mirror Universe are like in Discovery.

From what I've heard so far, it seems like they have lost some territory to the Empire as the Terrans speak of having them among enemy resistance forces, which leads me to believe the Canon is following the Dark Mirror, Through A Glass Darkly and Startrek Mirror Universe comic continuity of the Klingons having been made a subject of the Empire at some point.

I own the Hestia but not the T5 with MVAM. Not that I'd use it anyway.

Everything you just said is gibberish. If you're going to comment on the fucking show at least watch it first so you don't sound like a moron.

I haven't really watched much Trek other than half remembered SciFi channel reruns of TNG. What do you guys recommend as an entry point for getting into Star Trek?

TNG then go into DS9 with maybe VOY after then TOS then ENT. Of course, this is not a ranking of which is better but my opinion of which order to watch them in so you can appreciate all them better.

>so you can appreciate all them better
In that case TOS and its films should always go first.
Third season is optional.

You know I hadn't even considered the movies. I was just thinking about the shows.

Well, they're all on Netflix except for STD.

The Original Series is a good point to start with to understand how the entire thing originates, but it was also a 60s low-budget series that exploited the Paramount studios backlot as much as possible. It was also mostly a vehicle for various random Sci-Fi writers' short stories, so the idea of building any consistency just wasn't there. Best to think of it as the Stage Play version of what really happened.

The Next Generation is, well, easily the most uneven. Especially the mostly terrible first season and the rough second. And there's episodes like Sub Rosa (Dr Crusher falls in love with a lamp) even into the fantastic 7th season. This is the series that set the standards of canonicity and made it a consistent universe, though.

DS9, however, is where things peaked. By putting it into a static base location, they were able to really focus on the interactions of the various governments, create long-threaded storylines that lasted 7 seasons, and give a ton of depth to previously 1-dimensional groups like the Ferengi (Nog's emotional outburst that he wanted to join Starfleet so he could actually be somebody and not turn out like his father, an engineering genius stuck working in his brother's bar), and a far more nuanced and complex view of what it meant to be a Starfleet officer than what prior depictions had.

Voyager is, well, it's not great. It's not bad, but it's consistent, mostly. There were lots of places they could've taken risks with the story they didn't.

Enterprise is solid, but had a lot of trouble trying to figure out what it wanted to be, and while season 3 is...divisive, it's definitely a great exploration of someone having to deal with circumstances conflicting with his morals. Season 4 was great, but too little too late.

I would watch the movies, at least TOS movies. 2-4 is a fun trilogy, and 6 is pretty useful for understanding the situation with the Klingons later.

So I'd say

TOS (season 3 optional)
TOS Films 2-4
TOS Film 6
TNG (Seasons 1-2 optional, you can just watch the pilot then skip ahead)
DS9

You can also watch the TNG films but most of them are pretty meh, and feel more like longer episodes than proper cinematic experiences.

>60s low-budget series
Myth. It had the highest effects budget of its time.

>Seasons 1-2 optional,
The Borg ep and Measure of a Man are necessary.

tell me about fleet captains?

because i have star wars Xwing minis, and xwing armada minis, and they're all miles better than fucking attack wing minis, those are so horrible i can't even force myself to get into the game for the "YAY! Star Trek!" of it all.

Fair point, I would have to go look it up. Measure of a Man is where it started to get good.

the only GOOD star trek discovery ship, the shenzou, is in STO as a fucking 900 Lobi Walker class light frigate, the "SPINNING is a good trick!" and 'Armour coffins!' ships are the lockbox 'prize' for retards stupid enough to open LB's.

the drawback with those unique consoles is that fucking craptek make them discrete consoles that waste a slot, instead of being inbuilt abilities.

for instance, the Yamato class dreadnought has to waste 5 fucking console slots and a foreward weapon slot to have it's inbuilt badassery, making it FAR weaker than other t6's due to effectively having only 5 console slots. at t6.

Ah, the Movies:
TMP: Like a really long, slow episode.
Wrath of Khan: Best Movie in the setting.
Search for Spock: Not great, but Christopher Lloyd does fantastic as a Klingon commander, acts as a key transition between WoK and TVH
The Voyage Home: Great time travel movie. Tons of fun.
The Final Frontier: Bad intersection of a Shatner Script and huge budget cuts.
The Undiscovered Country: Fantastic.

Generations: Solid, though "long episodey" handoff to the TNG cast.
First Contact: Best TNG movie.
Insurrection: Flashy, but long episode.
Nemesis: Fuck no, do not watch, not canon.

JJ Timeline:
ST 2009: Serviceable on the surface, but excessively riddled with plot holes, contrivances, and excessive use of coincidence.
Into Derpness: "Wrath of Khan, but not really!" written by a 9/11 Truther.
Beyond: Not completely terrible, actually used a solid plot. Still very JJ, though.

>Nemesis: Fuck no, do not watch, not canon.
Doesn't it have Best Ship tho?

best rommie ship is still only canon to STO. the Lhaesa

I've only seen TNG and 2 of the TNG movies before starting with DS9, then TOS, then in middle of VOY now. So far, DS9 is by far the best.

I don't get the hype about TOS desu.

Except all the times they did shit like "the aliens look exactly like humans in an alternate version of events on earth."

nah, jj nutrek is so NOT trek, it's just bad marvel action film wearing a retards version of trek as a skin cloak

The Proxima pulls it off better. I seriously wish it was in ST:O.

The movie's sins against the characters, storytelling, and filmmaking in general aren't excused by cool Romulan ships.

apparently cardies are getting their own faction in sto maybe this year...

On an absolute scale it was cheap but television had basically no effects budgets back then.

Marvel Movies are fun to watch, at least. I watched Into Derpness on Netflix and just kept wondering when the fuck it'd be over. Not even TMP did that.

Excuse me? Imma needs some more information on that.

a lot of trek ships they couldn't put in game due to licencing. the typhoon and jupoter for the longest time were only in as STO kitbashed versions because they couldnt get the rights. that proxima MIGHT be in STO as the Gemini class.

sto.gamepedia.com/Gemini_Temporal_Cruiser

I don't think TOS is essential. I've watched through each season of TNG, DS9, and ENT multiple times and yet have never sat down and watched more than just a couple of episodes of TOS. The TOS movies are generally good though, and more integral than any of the TNG ones.

>I don't get the hype about TOS desu.
Me either.

>Doesn't it have Best Ship tho?
I don't remember seeing a Nebula class in it.

There are so many criticisms I have of the game design in STO that the P2W consoles only scratches the surface.

STD is so bad and wrong so far that it makes the JJ films look Roddenberryesque in comparison.

I don't see how that happens given that basically every canon ship they could have is available cross faction from a lockbox. I'd totally make a Vorta if they do it.

for years now devs have been talking about how fans want cardies in as their own thing. and finally it looks like they've crumbled and are 'yea ok, so we're gonna do a thing' as part of the next upcoming actual major story arc, instead of 'new season = one to three episodes'

apparently being a 'cardassia finally rebuilding itself enough to exist as a thing again. sort of like a smaller ish romulans expansion.

The Gemini is a good ship, but i Still think the proxima looks better. Is there any info on if both Secondary hulls had antimatter reactors inside them?

So if I join STO to be a cardie, because I'm considering it, do you feel the lifetime sub is worth it, or lolno. It's F2P right

pic related

the point being that only a very few consoles ARE actually worth it, and putting all the abilities on a ship that is should actually just come with already, makes it noticeably, markedly weaker than it should be, and than anything else, so that you have to run it without everything the ship is supposed to be about, using just the noirmal consoles everyone else uses, completely invalidating HAVING the ship to begin with. now IF those ships came with all their abilites built in, like they're supposed to, then YES< you could make the P2W arguement, but considering you never need actually PAY for that, the arguement falls apart, because of the ingame currency conversion to cash shop currency, it's Pay 2 not grind.

the cardie ships being lockbox is also an issue. but apprently it's taking awhile because they're making t1-5 ships that aren't already in as player ships, and redesigning the rest for shipyard buyable and cash shop versions, sort of like how the t6 jem hadar's are all flattened pancake redesigns of theshow ships stuck at t5.

F2P in the sense that the devs game it so that you're more likely to pay to get rid of the wait. The biggest barrier is the dilithium cap. you can only refine 8k dilithium a day. Essentially you have to max your player slots in creating characters just to grind out dilithium on each of them. Then use an exploit in the exchange system to transfer them to the specific character you want to use them on.
All the story content in the game is free though. Nothing above t5 ships are handed out for free though. Unless you get in on the giveaway events like the one happening now

the only ships that get dedicated secondaries for now are science ships with their secondary deflectors.

escort babies would cry like little bitches if they released or redesigned the BIGGEST fattest cruisers and dreadnoughts etc. to have the two or even three warp cores etc, they'd logically be built around. escorts driving call of duty casual faggots would shit themselves blind at playing alongside a ship with 125 power+ in all four categories. Cruiser trek and science trek online would make a return, and that would make the escort babbies REEE so hard it'd be audible in VACUUM.

It's canon that the Prometheus has three warp cores inside it while un-separated

it's one of the only, if not THE only 'Free to Play' game that IS actually free to play, insterad of being

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AllegedlyFreeGame

OR

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Freemium

which would make the escort babies demand that ships slightly bigger than a runabout with crews of 30 at the most, get 15 warpcores worth of power becuse nothing else in the games is allowed to do anything better than an escort. they really are a fucking cancerous vile lot. half the shittiest parts of the game and the 'balance' is due to these fuckers screaming loudly until craptek gives into them. science and engineering being repeatedly nerfed into the ground until it's beating a dead horse -level is because of that vocal, very very very vocal, minority.

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/StarTrekOnline
alls i'm saying Veeky Forums is if you like star trek, STO is gonna give you a good time, without costing you. and you'll probably like it enough anyway after getting one guy up to 50, that you'll buy a ship or two and keep up playing off and on.

i myself bought Life Time subscription years ago after a sal to 199, they had a boxing day? after xmas sale AGAIN, and it was only 150. and i've bought far more ships than i'd ever thought i would, simply because there's no PRESSURE to. it's not a game where if you DON'T put money in, you're fucked. so you end up buying stuff for the FUN of it, ships you like, fan stuff.

>All the story content in the game is free though
This is the most important thing. There's no need at all to spend any money to enjoy all of the story missions. The only temptation to spend real money on STO is during the endgame which, just like all MMOs, is a shitty grind. Just play through the story and enjoy the ride.
And yes, you can make a Cardassian pretty easily in any faction by building a custom alien, pic related (check the STO wiki's canon races guide for this exact setting). Ferengi are also easy to do.

Eh, I bought at launch, worked my way up pretty high, and then there was just no content.

Plus I think by now my old account is deleted, so starting from zero is not attractive.

this, the FREEdom of the game really does let you get all the star trek you'd ever want.
unlike a certain other scifi mmo *cough*swtor*cough you can play all the expansions without buying them. you aren't ever punished for being F2P with slower levelling, shittier drops, whatever. no limited pve's or pvp's.

if you still have your credit card? details, they should be able to reclaim your account for you. i know i lost mine a few years ago due to a dead PC, but i got my old account back and it wasn't deleted.

the good thing aout STO is that you CAN fuck off for 6 months or more, and come back, and everything feels fresh. especially since snce launch the 0-50 parts been redone like 10 different times now, especially the 0-20 tutorially type parts, the 'start's so many long time players have actually rolled more characters just to do the NEW starts as they updated and rolled them out.

Pffft, I last logged in around that 2012 Screenshot.

then you'll be happy to know there's been massive changes since then that'll make playing seem a totally new game, it's changed so much since then. mechanically they've made it deeper and better. graphically they've pushed it to the utter nth degree, lighting 2,0 really makes the engine work. i highly recommend coming back to the game, you'll be pleasantly surprised. i once fucked off for over a year, and came back to just before they rolled out the new skill system.

kit frames and kit modules are a thing now, all independently configurable and upgradeable (to mark 14 epic) so player personal power level has shot right through the roof.
so much so that the old 'elite' difficulty is now what is just called advanced. and the NEW elite difficulty is harder than hard flat out cheating npc's etc to give a full on challenge. especially with 50-60. levelling from level 59 -60 is as much XP as 0-59.

Even though the actual ELITE difficulty is pretty challenging, nothing will compare to when the borg stuff first hit the game. Trying to get the borg tokens/modules/etc was fucking miserable even if you were decently gear. I really do like the updated reputation system, and the fact that elite isn't roflestomp easy. And even though reputation sets are good, depending on what your doing, crafted stuff can still be better, especially if you get a real good proc.

The game really did change massively after it when F2P. Its honestly one of the few games that does the 'most' right when it comes to being a F2P mmo with a cash system. Yeah the fancy ships in the shop are good, and lobi ships can be great (if you can get the sets), but every single story mission, event, guild stations and all that jazz are completely free to play and access.

granted I have been out of the game since the temporal agent stuff came out, popping back in today because of this thread and i am going to have to start putting more time into the game again.

Any good youtube channels where I can watch someone play through the story mode of STO? My computer couldn't handle it

I like the Trek setting, but dislike the time-fuckery and alternate-universe-fuckery. Lowest points of any season for me.

STO have a lot of this, or is it trade disputes and stiffjawed diplomacy?

I am then very glad you DID come back. there's been enough changes since temporal arc that you should have about 6 months of brand new shit to muck about with.

for a 'f2p mmo' it's go to be the best mmo out there that doesn't force you to pay through the nose. fuck there's even a dedicated recompiled CONSOLE version now. which is ALSO free 2 play. iirc.

yes your computer can. STO is made by cypriots and slavs so that any toaster can run it. you'll just have to play with the settings and maybe turn lighting 1 back on instead of using the newest DX 11 and 12 lighting 2 on. you WILL be able to play it, they went to a LOT of effort to make sure any piece of crap machine could. no matter how bad you THINK your pc is, theire are WORSE ones right now, with players playing sto easily. sto's engine is over 10 years old. dude.

Depends on the season. They reworked nearly the entire game a few years ago when they released the romulons as a playable faction. They changed and updated a lot of the first 5 seaons, and streamlined and fixed a lot of issues. there is some alternate timeline and time travel fuckery here and there, but its only when you get to the temporal cold war that you get slammed with temporal stuff.
Depending on the season though, some can be a lot more diplomacy based (like the return of the 2800), others are more ground based combat (fuck the Voth season was so much fun, the ground missions were the best of any season), and some seasons are heavily reliant on ship based combat (borg, breen, fluidic space seasons).

Also the game does do a good job of giving out free ships here and there. You can play STO on computer or console.

it should be mentioned that STO GROUND combat is THE best Imperial Guard warhammer 40 k game Available. ever.

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Space combat is the best, but with the ground combat revamp that happened during the VOTH expansion so ground combat isn't fucking garbage anymore. I wish your away crew's AI would be less braindead when they used some abilities, but its certainly not bad.

>ywn kirkfu giant space monster to death.

its far better than it was, and it always was cool.

but then again i ground elite OLD borg stf's on ground for my klingon to get all the optionals and such to unlock ALL the honour guard uniform options. So , yeah.

I am just 1 thing shy of having the final MACO special option unlocked, unfortunately its the most difficult one left. I have tried it so many times only for the teams to fuck it up. I want my damn blast shoulders dammit. thats my away team.

I did say the ground combat was much better when they revamped it with the voth/delta quadrant expansion. I just wish the away team AI would stop being so derpy. Let me put it to you this way, I had the collectors edition of STO. I remember how shit ground combat used to be.

i feel your pain, my fed, aoy, and romulan are never going to unlock all the uniform options due to old elite that unlocked them no longer being playable at all, with the new elite not giving them. this is due to my KDF being my main. and of course, the playerbase being retarded at ground missions.

>a ship with 125 power+ in all four categories.

Wait, did they break the builds that could already do that?

only temporarily under certain conditions.
if they gave engineering cruisers far more power that came with having 2 or 3 warp cores it would unbalnce the game, because THEN the power buffs that spike power up temporarily would have their power ALWAYS spiking the maximum hard caps in the game.

and big bad massive warships would once again be doing far more dmg than the pathetic little precision strike escorts, like they're supposed to. bigger massive booms as opposed to escorts doing less booms, but all to the same spot at point blank, compared to cruisers putting out walls of DOOM.
but since escort babbies are CoD expats and adhd derps, they can't abide anything that isn't pure dps, and would REEE to split the solar system if escorts were forced back to being burst or spike dps meant to be employed tactically. (because apparently tactical players refuse to ever do anything even resembling tactics that isn't a 40 K Orkz MOAR DAKKA red wunz GO FASTA!

it's really a shame, because for along time there, the game WAS balanced, with cience guys being GREAT space wizards, and engineers being huge unkillable brute tanks and so on, and tacs being vicious glass cannons.

now its 'anything you can do escort does better without trying' in order to appease the screaming howler monkeys that play them.

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You keep on accidentally not posting the Ar’kif

I play on a 6 year old laptop that wasn’t even good when it was new. STO will play on yours

that's good. funny joke, but good ship. still not the best. intel warbird is sexier than that, faeht gamma for the ^ of DOOOOOM. and of course stupid sexy lhaesa.

and t6 t'liss TOS version.
romulan temporal light cruiser.

and of course, big sexy DD's i mean, who can resist a big girl like this? she's got everything RIGHT where it counts.

>ST 2009: Serviceable on the surface, but excessively riddled with plot holes, contrivances, and excessive use of coincidence.
>Into Derpness: "Wrath of Khan, but not really!" written by a 9/11 Truther.
>Beyond: Not completely terrible, actually used a solid plot. Still very JJ, though.

Thank you! Most fans harp on "ugh NuTrek" like they're all equal.
2009 was cute and fun despite not making a ton of sense, and Beyond was actually a decent Trek movie, while Into Darkness is the biggest pile of garbage I've ever seen. Nearly every scene and every line of dialogue makes me cringe. It's worse than Nemesis.

Pitt she plays like hot garbage in the game.