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>imply by virtue of the fact that it didn't exist before the birth of Slaanesh

Chaos was a thing before the birth of Slaanesh, you idjit.

Now you're just being Malal-icious.

Here's the million dollar question. Why the fuck is chaos trying to take over the galaxy if it means that they'll lose their source of existence?

Because they wont, the goal is to enslave the mortal universe into just more of the warp, not exterminate everything.

Because Chaos is connected to plenty other universes and realities from which they draw their power. The destruction of one reality would not affect them.

What you saying is like "if this butcher killed this one sheep he would surely starve" while ignoring that the butcher lives near a pasture filled with an endless supply of ship.

Nope, the lore says that Chaos seeks to annihilate all life.

Inb4 THAT guy shows up. You know who I'm talking about.

>since they feed of emotions
robots/cyborgs are good against them?

I know, right? The slav is annoying as fuck.

Robots and cyborgs have emotions. See Necrons.

If the Oldcrons won, then yes. Not with Newcrons though.

You can get rid of the individual gods but it's so hard as to be nearly impossible. Currently Ephrael Stern has Slannesh's True Name, with which they can be destroyed. She's trying to get it to the Black Library, so that it can't be lost.

>Currently Ephrael Stern has Slannesh's True Name

I read the comic and I don't recall anything about that.

what if you build one with no emotions?

It was part of the knowledge the screaming cage made from SOB poured into her head/why the Eldar were interested in her.

Again, I don't recall where it says this. She just gained massive power against daemons but nothing about true names was mentioned.

The Chaos Gods can, the Warp itself can't, but it can be forged into something less dangerous.

You can not deny or destroy the sublime power of the human soul. Chaos is more than a pantheon a philosophy, it is the Eightfold Path, it is the Truth behind the curtain and the sin of knowledge, the revelation and the secret, it is many things but not a religion as we understand it. Chaos is freedom, ambition, power and glory, it is damnation but also reward, it is the moment when you break your chains, when you dispose of your humanity and when you embrace something so unfathomable that dives you insane but also ecstatic with the knowledge that your destiny is in your OWN hands.

When an enlightened one exults For Chaos! across the din of the battlefield he evokes this truth, he utters in words what his eye have seen and what his soul has felt when he opened his mind to the truth for the first time. When marching under the banner of Primordial Truth the warrior of Chaos does not favor a Exalted Power in particular way, neither he favors them all, but he is the herald of the Truth, the Truth of which destiny lies beyond the skein, the Truth that follows death, the Truth that power and ambition are rewarded, the Truth where you as an individual can become a literal god, an immortal, a being of such utter power only if you will it, only if you dare it.
Chaos Undivided is not a religion; it is a philosophy, a philosophy of the self interest, of tangible power and the shattering dread of the ultimate Truth. This philosophy teaches a human that if he is ambitious enough he would be rewarded, it teaches him that if he kills with the name of the True Gods on his lips he would catch their eye and receive their boon, it teaches him that one day he can become a demigod, a mortal no more, and all this if he only wills it and dares it.

Yes. Just certainly not by Humans, and probably not by any other mortal race.

Necrons and Tyranids on the other hand have a decent chance at eliminating/suppressing Chaos through various means (chief among them killing all the mortals who keep feeding and/or summoning it).

>Robots and cyborgs have emotions. See Necrons
That is EXACTLY WRONG.

Necrons have no emotions or soul, no ability to feel, and most of them are pretty annoyed/depressed about that. They have no warp presence, and do not influence it in any natural way.

The Primordial Truth is also the philosophy of the metaphysical, where reality and dogma shatter, a philosophy that teaches its followers that the laws of physic do not exist, that any laws are artificial, that dogma and ad a closed mind lead your soul to be shattered by the dreaded dream predators. Chaos Undivided is a philosophy that teaches you that you have a soul, teaches you that with your dreams you shape the universe and it teaches you that nothing is impossible, everything can be done if only one dreams it.

That is why a chosen one bears proudly the Star of Chaos even if he pledged his allegiance to only a variant of this philosophy, perhaps to Nurgle's teachings, it is because once you pass over the skein of reality and you see the vast landscapes of infinite possibilities nothing can ever be the same and everything becomes possible, all that is required is a simple dream.

Chaos can not be denied, it is the sublime beatuy of thought, Chaos are our thoughts and feelings in their unadulterated form. Only a blind man would try to destroy the ever-changing joy that is Chaos. Under the exalting power of the eightfold-star humanity shall find its unbound glory and infinity.

Remember the 30th teaching of Urdhan, Exalted-King of the Akaran Resurgence:
"Shall the gates that stand between the mortal world and the immortal Realm of Chaos be closed to you, you should be grateful to die having glimpsed eternity than never to have stirred from the cold furrow of mortal life. One embraces death without regret as one have embraced life without fear."

Oy! Dat's gay humie! Less wordie more fighty!

That's what the lap dogs of the Emperor what's you to think.

Yes, but it would take so much effort that you can consider it something that is never going to happen. The Warp was the calm Immaterium before, and it could be so again. It would be difficult in the extreme and require the souls of everything in the galaxy to be tampered with.

I've never once met an Orc who wasn't a balding, ignorant snotling.

I can hardly blame them. They're the products of Old One bullying, Empyream dependancy, low-fibre fungi, and generation after poison generation of dysgenics. They can't grasp the exultant joy of being utterly in sync with the warp. No wonder so many are punks and asexual, or why they prefer "reds" and other retarded "waaghs" to warm, yielding flesh and blood. They hunch over ultraviolent meks in their rusting buildings, dreaming of an easy, exciting war, as if they could just cast off their accidentiality. Cowardice. Cowardice mixed with cockney elitism, mixed with delusions of grandeur.

A man works. A man struggles and strains and grows calluses on his hands. Scars and muscle and lessons learned through pain and sacrifice. He knows his body. He understands that his body isn't the essential component of his identity, and comprehends the truth that we are spiritual beings trapped a physical world.

>it would take so much effort that you can consider it something that is never going to happen
Nah, Tyranids and Necrons could do it.

Look up what Hivefleet Kronos is doing in the recent fluff: it has a goes-to-11 version of the Shadow in the Warp that can banish daemons, and has been purposefully eating chaos-corrupted worlds all along the edges of the Great Rift "like maggots cleaning a wound". This has been making the Great Rift retract somewhat. Other hivefleets have been attacking nearby worlds to Kronos's path, but then leaving the digested gruel as food for Kronos to come and resupply with (since you can't eat demons). The 'Nids know the threat Chaos poses to their meal, and don't want to let anyone spoil it.

Meanwhile, Necrons have no soul but have info on how to influence, manipulate, and even suppress the warp: pylons functioned for literally millions of years while adjacent to the greatest warp rift in the galaxy. There is also the possibility of Pariahs, Necron version of Culexus assassins with negative warp-souls, but immortal and can be resurrected like 'crons.

So basically, Chaos is in a three-way battle for galactic domination. Humans, Eldar and the other mortal races are just the pawns and/or Victory Points.

Can you stop entropy? Should you stop it?

Necrons are not robots neither do they have emotions, fuck nucron lore.

Nope, the writers would never allow their favourite faction to fail.

>no ability to feel
>feels depressed

Perhaps "mopey" or "emo" would be a better descriptor.

That's false. Necrons were shown to feel fear, rage, and despair.

That's still a feeling

>This has been making the Great Rift retract somewhat.

It's not making the Great Rift retract. The Hive fleet is just preventing other Warp related activities from expanding it.

Also the TS codex implies that Kronos is being manipulated by the Thousand Sons.

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>robots/cyborgs are good against them?
We don't really know what went down with the Men of Iron yet, since them being tainted is a theory. Another theory is they went the route of The Angel, a anti-Daemon Prince mecha the Big E built during the Unification Wars, that decided all of humanity needed to go because they were all susceptible and responsible to/for Chaos. AI's can definitely be corrupted by Chaos though, based on the Castigator STC. Some aren't, based on the Speranza and others.

The Necrons are a bit different. The C'Tan ate all of their souls, and so they're all psychic nulls. Most have no personality anyways, aside from the elites and leaders.

What about Tau (not that they'll ever win)

All *free life.

They want enslaved cultists and worshippers.

Not a valid response.

No, Chaos is an allegory for man's struggle against himself.

OI WHO YOU CALLIN BALD YOU GROT?!

Are you saying that men cannot change their nature and ascend beyond their baseness?

>The Necrons are a bit different.

Necrons are android bodies programmed with the memories of the necrontyr. They shouldn't be different

Thats lore that, honestly, doesnt even make sense. Its functionally irrelevant.

Point me to a single Chaos God created or influencef by the actions of another universe. If Chaos stands outside of any one universe, then surely there should be Gleeblemep, the Chaos God of Envy who comes from the universe where the Necrontyr never went full Ctan and instead beat the old ones and took over the galaxy.

Or, better yet, since the Chaos Gods can be killed by the power of the Emperor that means the Choas Gods are already erased from existence, as a result of even one Universe where the Emperor successfully beats them.

Pretending that Chaos is multiversal has all of the same flaws as pretending they are universal. Its just informed powerlevels that are not reflected by any fact, like saying the toad you found in your driveway controls the laws of thermodynamics.

What you want is Malal then.

W-well

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I mean Chaos doesnt have to make sense! Because chaos is in the name you see.

*nailed it*

Old lore possibly, nulore chaos wank edition no.

>Necrons are android bodies programmed with the memories of the necrontyr. They shouldn't be different
That is a gross oversimplification of biotransference and the fuckery the C'Tan are capable of.

Even an AI has more of a soul than a Necron, and presumably a blank/null.

Chaos isn't rational. At all.

They are not Blanks. They can still get btfo by warp stuff. Were they Blanks they'd be immune.
They are empty husks, like clones. Less than machines in that regard.

>balding
But orks don't have hair.

Clones have souls.

Necrons on the other hand are said to be soulless. They project the aura of wrongness of pariahs/blanks but they do not have the crippling effects. Psykers and even the Hivemind are unsettled by the Necrons.

Its Warhammer writing. Its 50% held up by handwaves and telling you “this is how it works and how everyone feels about that”.

Where the Warp doesln’t have a concept of time and past/present/future are mortal foolishness, yet cause still has effect and Chaos isn’t one giant stagnant nothing and time somehow exists in the material plane despite the fact that time doesn’t exist in reality either according to complex physics.

Just remember that Warhammer 40k was parody mixed with stolen content designed to sell a boxed game, based on the exact same thing but based on history and designed to sell D&D minis. As much as we delve into logic, this shit at the end of the day is just shit that sells toys, and isn’t worth the autism we invest in it.

>"Gee Archaon, how come your Chaos Gods let you hold TWO planets?"

Also, yes it can; annihilate every life form in the universe capable of sentient thought and emotion, and there you go.

Do some metaphysical thing and alter the way human emotions interact with the warp

The realities are not fucking variations of each other with slight differences. They are each separate and alien from each other.

Only higher ranked Necrons have emotions, warriors have been deprived of them

All the more reason, then, for the existence of innumerable Chaos Gods with no relation to the four born out of our universe.

If you are telling me our four can fuck off and play around in other realities, that has to be true in reverse.

The Four are the main pantheon of Chaos. There are countless Warp deities and entities in the Warp hanging around the Formless Wastes.

Yes. Latest daemon codex confirms Tzeentch himself saw a possible future where they're destroyed.

Because they can't, once chaos reaches a critical mass a 5th God spawns that kills them all and then itself, and the cycle repeats agian.

Literally a lazy copypasta.

That did not happen in WHFB or the gods know how many universes that Archaon obliterated.

there he is

There we go, what took you so long slave fag?

Easily, start the day of the rope only cuckolds, soyboys and kikes like chaos.

Chaos would be severely weakened, and likely would cease to be a serious threat, but it would not go away because the T'au still have a weak presence in the warp.

With Order.

Kind of reminds me of the forerunner lore in Halo.

Bump

In 40k yes, that yes one of the main goals of the Emperor.

Then why aren't there rules to run a Chaos Warband following a homebrewed minor deity?