That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Vector" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. 9mms deserve much worse than that. Much, much worse than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine Glock in Georgia for $300 (that's about $300) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can't even double tap with my Glock.
Glock smiths spend years working on Perfection™ and stipple it up to a million times to produce some of the biggest pieces of shit known to mankind.
Glocks are barely half as powerful as .45 and half as fast for that matter too. Anything a .45 can stop, a 9mm would bounce off. I'm pretty sure a Glock would break trying to shoot a knight wearing full plate with any kind of shot placement.
Ever wonder why Nazi Germany never bothered conquering Europe? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Americans and their M1911s and Thompsons in .45 ACP of destruction. Even in World War II, German soldiers targeted the men with the Thompsons first because their killing power was feared and respected.
So what am I saying? 9mm (and by extension, all pistols, because shot placement is more important than actual ballistic capabilities) is simply the worst caliber that the world has ever seen, and thus, require worse stats( I believe moving all pistols to around 22lr would overall make them more balanced and require a greater knowledge to use these pieces of shit effectively) in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Glocks:
(One-Handed Exotic Weapon) 1d4 Damage x2 Crit -2 to hit and damage Can never count as Masterwork Now that seems a lot more representative of the stopping power of 9mm in real life, don't you think?
tl;dr = 9mm need to do much less in d20, see my new stat block.
For a second I had to check what board I was on to make sure I wasn't on /k/. Is this the modern games thread now?
Nathan Wilson
I think it's a mis-placed /k/ humour thread...
Luis Baker
You know they make a Glock in .45 ACP, right? And 40 SW, and 10mm Auto, and .357 SIG.
Your pasta is stale either way.
Ian Rogers
>implying glocks don't just explode at random from the pressure of dealing with actual calibers
Elijah Moore
>commissioned glock
wat
Ayden Richardson
What are you talking about. You can't reduce the damage on all pistol rounds. There are pistols that fire rifle rounds like the 5 two seven you idiot.
Nathan Bennett
Assuming this is a fa/tg/uy /k/ommando thread, and acknowledging it is a troll, here are a few fixes I used running d20 modern.
1: Glocks are still masterwork, but other guns are in similar price ranges (Ie., H&K offerings like the P2000, Beretta 92FS, even the S&W M&P 2.0). In short, if it is the $500-600 range, it is PROBABLY a masterwork weapon. alternatively, give penalties to weapons below that, such as shitty Saturday Night Specials.
2: as a historical note, old 9x19mm loadings are much more potent than common 115gr Winchester White Box loadings (9mm NATO is based on old ammo specs, which are basically +P). 9mm also goes much, much faster than .45 ACP.
3: As an option, you can make HP = con score, then have armor class act as damage reduction. The average person has 10 HP. As such, a 9mm pistol doing 2d6 damage has a reasonable chance of actually killing someone, but it is still relatively unlikely.
4: There are so many variations of glock that saying "glocks are weak" is effectively as vague as saying "trucks are too weak". Which model? I assume 9mm, but that's also like assuming Ford F150, when you may be talking about a Chevy silverado or something.
5: The Glock smith/armorer course is literally like 5 hours.
Brandon Myers
*I assume 9mm g17 or g19, or even the subcompacts for that matter
Alexander Reed
Guessing D20 was written by people who saw Die Hard 2 and just thought "oooooh plastic gun must be magic!"
I carry one because I don't give a shit if something happens to it. They are the definition of "good enough", reminiscent of your basic long sword that you could get at the beginning of the game.
When I think Masterwork I think Wilson Combat, Nighthawk Custom etc.