Previous Thread: A thread for discussing the 'Star Trek' franchise and its various tabletop adaptations.
Possible topics include Modiphius' new rpg 'Star Trek Adventures', WizKids miniatures game 'Star Trek: Attack Wing', and Gale Force Nine's board game 'Star Trek: Ascendancy', as well as the previous rpgs produced by FASA, Last Unicorn Games and Decipher, the Starfleet Battles Universe, and the Star Trek universe in general.
Modiphius takes down links for the ST:A core rulebook. Look in the archives or ask someone to send it to you via discord. Or... you know... buy the rulebook.
Nth for Excelsior, modernized: would be nice to see the old girl finally hit transwarp!
Michael Nelson
That's Kazon my friend, Klingons have way more ridges than that.
Thomas Brown
apart from the ingame quantum slipstream tunneling everyone gets, and the limted transwarps on a large cooldown to 'hub' destinations, the excelsior's in STO get their own extra transwarp jumps to even more hubs around the galaxy.
plus the tech involved on ships let you hit sector travel speeds of transwarp 32.
Luke Cox
does the table top star treks give anything neat transwarps? >ywn boldly go as part of an epic f5 year deep exploration and first contacts missions into the unknown on a COMFY starship showing the might and glory of the federations unification of species and techs to wierder and stranger cultures, adding them to the fold through careful first contacts and treaties, meeting unreasonably hostile forces that refuse to give you the time of day let alone listen to the 'we come in peace'
James Parker
>implying that there's a difference that matters.
Caleb Gonzalez
Atleast Klingons have been likeable villains most of their time. Kazons not so much.
Christopher Diaz
They look different, for one.
Xavier Powell
even the cuntiest evil klingon villians have been cool.
chris lloyd.
kor, kang, koloth. all those guys.
Isaiah Ortiz
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Cameron Scott
fffffffffffff. finally my internet ticks over to the next cycle and i can play STO again.
Arc is down for ten fucking hours >somehow that means the game servers can go fuck themselves too, because PWE said so
WHY are they so incompetent? WHY?
Grayson Mitchell
So how does Adventures play? I’m coming back to rpgs after a few years hiatus and doing a Trek themed campaign really appeals to me. Are the included campaigns good? Are there reacources enough to make good new stories? Do the player mechanics balance well to the conflicts within the game? Give me some deets, stg.
Servers have been dogshit, lately. Methinks they’re actually trying to fix some fairly serious underlying problems.
Brayden Davis
Looks like something that the Walker class was probably based off of.
Cameron Thomas
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Ryan Ross
Which would you rather be captain of?
Anthony Jones
Cute bote is QYOOT
Leo Baker
Don't worry, they'll be done by October 17th.
Charles Collins
I'd be interested to know this as well since my LGS hosts a monthly session of Adventures. The next one is coming up in two weeks and for once I don't have any birthday/family/university stuff that keeps me from attending.
Easton Moore
>I dare you not to watch STD Challenge accepted
Alexander Wilson
UNSTOPPABLE
Ian Richardson
Uhhhhhh...
Julian Rodriguez
Gotta be the Atlas Class. Looks like she's a mobile starbase, relatively speaking for the TOS era.
Zachary Thomas
Amen brudda!
Jason Cook
More ships need TOS style alternate models. I want to see what a TOS style Eclipse would look like.
Alexander Thompson
I wonder what the Trident-class would look like in TOS. There's prescedent for weird primary hull shapes with the Daedalus.
Robert Reed
I know what a 23c Scryer would look like. Discovery.
Jonathan Baker
STD and JJtrek ships are not a good example of TOS design. At all.
Jeremiah Cruz
Now if that looked like it was in TOS instead...
James James
Hence why I said 23c and not TOS.
Levi Jackson
That actually looks way nicer than the STD ship
Logan Young
thatsthejoke.jpgbutIwishitwasn'tajoke.
Brody Bennett
Needs a few tweaks to be perfect: -the secondary hull should end earlier so that the shuttlebay opens onto a "deck" like the Excelsior and Ambassador -the fantail needs to be far more prominent (start or end at the aft edge of the saucer) - the nacelle pylons should bend up more where the nacelle pylons flare out, with a thin tube leading to an impulse engine along the bend so that the bridge ridge can continue off of the back of the saucer and merge with the neck
Jonathan Adams
>using Arc >2010+8 Use Steam, or just the launcher.
Luke Smith
I can't believe we got a Trek series called STD and it's not about Kirk.
Alexander Perez
Kazon are Klingons without all the gay singing and questionable rpg history ctrl+v'd into the show.
They're the perfect post-Soviet Klingons, complete with tech they're unable to understand or afford to have repaired and a mindset that's easily led by a charismatic, opportunistic low-grade totalitarian imported from another region where they might otherwise have been expected to live out their life in obscurity.
Personally, I would have liked to know more about their infighting and history, but Voyager as a show wasn't really set up for that; so instead we got fairly simplistic showings, with the rest through exposition.
I would also have liked to see some Talaxian pirates, but apparently they just cruise around looking for alien children to abduct instead of raiding what must be dozens of ships a month just kind of dragged into their space.
Yeah? What about that prick kid they were going to make Chancellor until Gowron showed up?
[airhorn intensifies]
mum, get the camera
Jayden Robinson
Here's a link to the recordings of the STA game I'm in right now. We're about to go into our first real major ship to ship combat so I can't really tell you how those mechanics will be. The premade modules are supposed to be really good but my GM is running his own creation. So far I feel that the differences in crew stats and talents balance out and everyone can lend something unique to any conflict we get into.
>Implying Kirk actually gets laid much in TOS It's Riker who's constantly getting tail. Kirk pretty much always used it against those who were trying to screw with him.
Ryan Price
>Yeah? What about that prick kid they were going to make Chancellor until Gowron showed up? What, you mean Duras' questionably legitimate son the Sisters tried to push forth as a challenge right when Gowron was about to take his place as Chancellor after winning the seat months prior?
Kayden Morales
The STO servers are down, not using arc won't change that.
Blake Murphy
Well, good thing I have FFXIV and D2 and Overwatch to play instead...
Zachary Sanchez
STO has been back up for like an hour
Josiah Murphy
Aha! I recently started doing diplomatic doff missions on my Romulan because I found out one of the accolades allows you to use Consul as a title. Time to go get a fancier toga!
Cameron Lopez
Too late for me. Thanks to that maintenance I'll probably won't be able to finish the bajoran ship.
Xavier Watson
How so? You do have some Ferengi anal beads, right? Also, you did do the featured episode for 400 marks, right?
Juan Myers
It pains me every time you post this beautiful ship.
Tyler Adams
I'll only stop when I find an even better redesign.
Dominic Wilson
SO if we were to break Federation ship design down by era (shared nacelles), it goes >ENT NX, half-saucer, warp delta >TOS Constitution, Daedalus >TMP Constitution refit, Miranda, Constellation >TLE Excelsior, Oberth, Ambassador >TNG Galaxy, Nebula, Intrepid >Weird shit (359?) Defiant, Akira, Saber, Steamrunner >TNG Movies: Sovereign, Nova >STO Idunno LOL
Also, where do highlighter nacelle abominations like the Olympic and Cheyenne fit?
Camden Allen
The TNG era has *way* more ships than that. Every Galaxy kitbash, the highlighter ships, etc.
The Defiant, Akira, Saber, Steamrunner, Norway, Sovereign, Nova, and everything I'm forgetting in their design style are all Dominion War era ships, all designed or put into use around that time. The Defiant was made before that but wasn't deployed til then.
Jordan Butler
Voyager and the Prometheus are also a transitional phase in designs between TNG and TNG movies.
Jose Morris
they guy who did the starfleet museum did an thing some years back noting what's defining the nacelles is warp coil shape. Phoenix up to TOS is circular coils, TMP era going for more thin, oval coils on the refit and shared designs, mounted at right-angles to the hull (vertically as in Enterprise, horizontally in Constellation). Excelsior takes a step and goes with more squared off coils, which the Ambassador also shares but with proportionally shorter, fatter nacelles.
The transition then is to flatter oval coils, which covers the marker pens and Galaxy type nacelles in the same era, with the latter being a refinement.
After that, there's a bunch of playing around with a general trend towards mounting those flat oval coils but now not mounting at just right-angles (Akira and stuff) to the point of variable angles for Intrepid.
Kayden Murphy
I spent the 400 and some more on last year's ship. Might be able to finish it exactly on the last day, or I'll have 40 too little to finish.
Nathan Gomez
What did you get with your 400?
Nolan Nelson
I like this one
Elijah Martin
anybody else just really dislike Boomers?
Brayden Bell
Yeah, that kid.
Was he cool? Because he was a villain.
Aiden Taylor
Nuasicaans, it would seem.
Aiden Sanders
>Nausicaans, for when you really want Klingons but you know you'll just get letters from the fanbase about how unrealistic it would be for them to be there
Brayden Martinez
He was just a pawn, and was lucky as fuck that Worf stayed Gowron's knife after his aunts used him to plunge the Empire into civil war at the whim of the Romulans.
Oliver Morris
They've been around since TNG, user. They're just asshole mercenaries and pirates.
Brayden Brooks
The science ship from last years anniversary, hadn't finished that in time.
Jacob Young
Nacelles should be rotated 90° so that the bussards are vertical, not parallel to decks...
Klinks don't blow themselves up trying to microwave a hot pocket.
Adam Cruz
Yeah. They just destroy a moon doing so instead.
Brayden Phillips
>implying the true tragedy of city on the edge of forever isn't the death of his unborn child
Aaron Martin
That's just them not having OSHA or the EPA. So, another point in favor of a Russia allegory.
David Campbell
Holy shit. Goosebumps and a tear in my eye. She's got a fantastic voice.
Noah Young
I feel pretty slow for not realizing until the last episode that the shiny scale bits under the arms on the Discovery uniforms are actually made of tiny little Starfleet insignias.
Gavin Martin
This isn't technically Star Trek related, but it's very much Veeky Forums related...has anyone told Cryptic that there's a potential killing to be made out of taking their character editor Pretty Princess Dressup minigame and re-working it as an RPG character designer?
John Thompson
So could this have likely stood up to any of the Dreadnoughts of other powers seen in STO?
I recall this thing being a monster.
Ian Robinson
>seen in STO? Of course it can, just handwave that it got a refit/retrofit.
Leo Bailey
Either Cryptic is working on a playable Cardassian faction in secret or they don't see much fan interest. Point is, don't expect much Cardie content anytime soon. My fed'd up Cardie will have to tide me over a while yet.
As for your actual question, I feel like Cardassian resourcefulness is their greatest weapon. It's apparent that there's a technological gap between Cardassia and the big 3 (UFP, Klingon and Romulan Empires). However the Cardassians are tactful and conniving enough to make themselves into a secondary power. The fact that the Cardassian war is probably the biggest stain on the Federation psyche before Wolf 359 is a testament to how unrelenting and vicious they can be. Cardassian Warships need to be pack hunters. We often see Galors in 3-ship formations. We see further evidence of them punching above their weight across the board. The Obsidian Order are, arguably, more competent than the Tal Shiar. Even the High Command's military intelligence branch has about the same track record of capturing valuable Starfleet assets as the Romulans. Then there's shit like the Cardassian juggernaut torpedo, the civil defence program on DS9 or the time they made a wireless power network to supply a planetary turret screen. All if this, I think, points to a people that are at their best when faced with a superior foe. So i doubt that the Hutet would be a match for any of of the big 3 dreadnoughts. But i'd sure as shit bet that it'd make a great diversion while someone else sabotaged each of their warp cores in turn.
Xavier Green
They have them embroidered on the JJ Trek uniforms too.
Henry Morgan
>So i doubt that the Hutet would be a match for any of of the big 3 dreadnoughts.
Well, in the expanded materials, the Cardassians had ships that could stand toe to toe with those of other powers.
Also, I think the Hutet was built with Dominion technology.
Nicholas Robinson
>Well, in the expanded materials Beta Canon has basically no internal logic or consistency. It can certainly tell good stories but those stories may as well be happening in their own universes. For example, the Galor class is treated as comparable to Constellation and Galaxy class ships in different Beta Canon sources. There’s no rhyme or reason to the EU novels or games beyond a specific series. All we can do is infer from on screen evidence, which would tend to support the notion that the Hutet didn’t exist or didn’t warrant mass construction. In fact, the only game I recall the Hutet appearing in had it getting assblasted by some Voyager knockoff.
>Also, I think the Hutet was built with Dominion technology. What evidence do we have of that? The Dominion already has a highly durable and reliable dreadnought of its own. In fact, this is the only Dominion ship never shown on screen as being destroyed (unlike the battleship and attack ship). Why would they bother building some less advanced Cardassian ship when they have something with a proven track record?
Luis Martinez
Actually it was one of the starship manuals that listed a Cardassian destroyer that could deal with a Galaxy.
It wasn't a Galor however.
> What evidence do we have of that?
> Why would they bother building some less advanced Cardassian ship when they have something with a proven track record?
I think Star Trek Dominion Wars states that the Hutet's ability to repair itself and perhaps it's structural fields are a product of Dominion technology.
Originally, the warship was on the drawing board long before the Union forged ties with the Dominion, but it was never implemented due to the disasters that beset the Union later on, such as the Klingon invasion.
This means it predates the Dominion battleships.
Originally, the purpose of the Hutet was to allow the Union to project power and support it's expansionists policies without relying on the ever stagnant and overstretched mix of Galors, Keldons and the Terok Nor stations.
In combat, it proved it's self quite capable, as one is reported to have obliterated a Klingon squadron of two Vorchas and a Ktinga on it's own.
Levi Diaz
>Hutet >Egyptian sounding name AYO HOL' UP
Kevin James
You got a problem with that, m8?
Carson Perry
Egyptian gods/royalty as space aliens doesn't really fit Trek, much less the Cardassians of all species. In the proper setting like Stargate it's one of my favorite places to start worldbuilding.
Angel Mitchell
Obviously it's named after the Hutet-analogue of Cardassia's ancient Egypt-analogue civilization.
Cameron Barnes
That would make a great TOS episode.
Josiah Parker
How should the TOS Cardassians look, given that the original Klingons just had spray-on tans and Fu-Manchu facial hair?
Robert Young
Ridiculous KANGZ tier Egyptian parodies with overdone "eye of Ra" makeup and false beards.
Isaac Rogers
They would have those retard helmets, 1800's facial hair, and grey makeup.
Eli Flores
Doesn't sound that far removed from TNG.
Leo James
TNG wasn't all that far removed from TOS.
Gabriel Morris
>Literal Spoonheads
Hudson Wood
Tos also has the temporals.(Perseus, ranger, Gemini and the t6 version you can put their skins on) And the 23c prototype dreads(atlas, thrai and d9). And the 23 c temporal light cruisers. (T6 ent, d7 and tliss)
Kayden Campbell
In story its an adorable escort. She has a cute deflector nose. Adorable weapon port freckles across the bridge of her nose and cheeks.
She's slim and svelte, all fit and tight. Got four impulse engines in her tight little but, with long nacelle legs, she's built for speed, she's an athlete, a runner. Built to go the distance.
Benjamin Wright
Nah. She's a kickass unkillable dreadnought that flies like a much smaller cruiser, because she's built on a tos ship scale so even though she's big for her era, she's actually only medium size compared to the later dreadnoughts.
Connor Brooks
Tos and tos movie stuff is the best shit in the game.
David Thompson
Those ships look cool. Are they from a table top or novels?
Jack Jones
Can you deck your Excelsior/Constellation/Miranda out with blue/green LCARS and WoK uniforms?
Jaxon Flores
how would you condense the rules of acquisition into something short and brief like a paladin's oath? i want to homebrew up my own paladin oath that make them basically like the ferengi
Matthew Morales
>I will never allow my race to be dignified. >I will appear in only the worse episodes of TNG and Enterprise. >I must say the word 'Females' in a way normally reserved for men living in basements.