And Dawn of War Franchise is Dead

They gambled on a broader audience and the esports crowd and lost.

fpbp and dubs

Satan trips speak the fucking TRUTH

40k Overwatch with qt waifus let's gooooo!

But what Necron expansion they teased in the game?

Satan speaking the truth? How can it be?

Good riddance. Montreal is where games go to die.

This could have fit in many of the 15+ other warhammer threads

Truth yo.

I'd play it

>Calgar as the gar bear tank whose ult summons an uncrontrollable Guilliman for 30 seconds of rape
>Celestine as the healslut fapbait
>Dante as the squishy-but-mobile harrasser
>a Vindicare for LOLHIGHNOONLOOOOOLOLOLOL meme faggotry
>Yvraine for aoe debuff/buffing fuckery and easy shipping material
>Shadowsun as the stealth cunt who is shipped everyone
>a squat for demo/traps

See, this is why an ACTUAL 40K MOBA would be goddamn amazing. It would have the HoTS appeal of pre-existing investment and being able to play your favourite characters, but being 40K. A hero shooter or proper warcraft 3 integration of rts and rpg would also work too. Basically, anything but what the DoW3 developers did would have been amazing one way or another.
Seriously they tried to make it a MOBA but they made the hero units the most basic shit like terminators. Why did they think this would get anyone invested.

This. Praise the Emperor.

>See, this is why an ACTUAL 40K MOBA would be goddamn amazing
Someone needs a reminder.

Nah it would be gay and full of faggy quips. I don't imagine Dante going "That was the bleeding edge " when getting a kill or "Oh bloody hell" when dying.

That, or an entire game based around the DoW2 Last Stand mode. With more heroes, races and customization and stuff.

Why make it a question? Swap it out with a exclamation mark to really sell what the Tau are offering.

Update the game. Make more room for more units and hero customisation.
Make millions.

These shit times claim another life. Well that's it then. 40k games are dead. 40k table top is just worse 30k at this point.

The only hope now is Age of Sigmar and how long can it remain pure before GW fucks it over? How long will it last lads?

Have Relic done any interviews explaining their reasoning behind making DoW3 the way they did? I'm kinda interested in their obviously bad thought process.

>Join Greater The Good?

Good, now we can get a new CoH and leave the 40k autism behind.

If they ruined DoW then they will ruin CoH.

CoH is also dead

What do you mean will? CoH2 is already garbage.

>Ill never get a space marine sequel

>never get to find out how Titus dodged the Inquisition's accusations
>only find out that he did, because he is in the Hall of Heroes in the Temple of Hera, meaning he became a CM

What happened is simple: they tried to do two things, and ended up succeeding at neither. The classic "falling between two stools".

There was two different groups of fans they wanted to attract/please:
1) the already existing Dawn of War fans, who wanted a 40k RTS experience similar to previous games (eg, us), and
2) normie gamers, who massively outnumber everyone else.

Because 2) is such a huge group compared to 1), if you manage to bring in even a small slice of them then your profits sky rocket. At the time the game was in development, MOBAs were the hot new thing that everyone was raving about, so they tried to mix that type of gameplay and visuals in to attract those players (which is why everything looked cartoony).

Unfortunately what they failed to realise is this would put them in competition with said MOBAs. So what ended up occurring was they weren't Moba-y enough for the normies, and also weren't RTS-y enough for the 40k fags, and the whole thing fell over and sank into the swamp without a whisper.

Meanwhile, I'm going to get some friends together on discord and go do DoW2 Last Stand again. Because ironically enough, Relic had already managed to put together a working multiplayer-hero-40k game already.

And in-match progression.

Yeah, you'd still select loadout before the match and unlock things as you gain "overall XP", but the lack of progression and thus change during the match made it dull.

Last Stand makes me think a slower paced arpg wouldn't be such a bad idea for the 40k setting. Playable races might get tricky though, or you'd have to change it depending on who you picked. Chaos fights Imperials/Xenos, Imperials fight Chaos/Xenos and Xenos fighting Imperials/Chaos. Course this now means who do you fight if you join a group with other people? A mixture of all 3?

Hey, Veeky Forums-bromars, is DoW II good?
I played the original back in the day, and loved it to pieces. I was thinking of getting a hold of it again for some casual play.

DoW2 is pretty much skirmish MP as CoH and tabletop

the only thing that screws it a bit is the lack of MP mods besides Elite and OFC the MP being dead.

>>Literally all the community wanted was an updated version of DoW

You dumb nigger, why would THQ ask opinions from people who buy the game REGARDLESS ? They want the new DOTA audience.

What the fuck are you on about, Relic is one of the few that HAD proven themselves... ya goof

>thq

>no good videogame makers have reasons to take warhammer in their hands since each game so far has proven to be a failure and they can't understand it's not the IP causing it.

>there will never be an epic brawler where superheavy vehicles, knights and massive god engines fight stomping over armies with impunity
>there will never be a massive battlefield set in the horus heresy with hundreds of players using both infantry, vehicles, flyers and titans
>there will never be ork fighting races with kustom vehicles ranging from bikes to flying fortresses and cybernetic squiggoths
>there will never be a shadow war skirmish shooter with highly varied squads face in the bowels of industrial complexes
>there will never be a path to glory RPG with endless options where you travel the galaxy and duel under the eye of the gods to reach apotheosis
>there will never be a guardsmen team survival game where you face against the horrors of the galaxy with a life expectancy of 15minutes
>there will never be a game about playing extremely powerful heroes slashing their way through literal seas of orks/tyranids/daemons

>people are suprised that DoW 3 bombed
Why? Why are you people suprised about this?

Why would THQ ask anything? They're a defunct company that doesn't exist anymore. DoW 3 is pretty much just SEGA and Relic at this point since SEGA bought the rights to the series.

It's sad that relic still cares what the fans think. You need to be developer chads like blizzard and just make whatever the fuck you want if you want games to be successful.

DoW 3 isn't even a bad game, it just needs more factions. Oh well, hopefully gw takes a Fucking hint from CA and lets video game companies make video games. The fact that wh total war was a massive success should tell you that people enjoy wh games

>DoW 3 isn't even a bad game, it just needs more factions.
I don't have a reaction picture currently that demonstrates how little I think of you as a person.

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>DoW 3 isn't even a bad game
yeah. just mediocre. like your post.

>Last Stand makes me think a slower paced arpg wouldn't be such a bad idea for the 40k setting.
Well, that's what DoW2 campaign sorta was and the DoW3 missions in which you're limited to few special units are more fun than base-building ones.

That said it's the second time in this thread I have to remind y'all that a 40k game in [genre] exists or was planned. Pic related, already available in Early Access.

We will always have Ultimate Apocalypse mod for Soulstorm

feels good man

>These people are making Age of Empires IV
Please tell me there's some hope

Microsoft and Bil Gates has their paychecks and asses ready to be shot and murdered on sight. since AoE is Bill's baby since he worked on AoE1 dev

>inquistior martyr
Reminder that this is going to be shit.
40k is meant to be played on the table top only.

>hope
>2018
lmao

Why not, we got Trump now.

Focus and CA are the only two major ones with a proven record. Relic has been trash since THQ went under.

Oh no! The most toxic fan base of all video games doesn't approve my opinion! Whatever will I do!

what's going to happen when he leaves office. nothing good lasts forever. and you can bet your ass the next democrat president will be a racebaiting fuck who makes trudeau and merkel look like hardline white supremacists, just to spite the country for trump being in office.

>Whatever will I do!
leave

Not true at all, the problem with 40k games is that they're like the CFL. Married to their shitty franchise and unwilling to submit to a better product. Look at warhammer total war, do you know why it succeeded? Because CA made it and total war is an established franchise. You could add literally any theme to a total war game and it would sell.

Gw needs to stop being retards and let an actual gaming company that doesn't make shitty indie tier bullshit use their product. 40k is popular, it just needs to be done by someone who knows what they're doing, which is clearly not anything affiliated with gw.

Stop bollocking about, of all the shit redditors say that isn't one of them.

>Not true at all, the problem with 40k games is that they're like the CFL.
Difference is, the CFL makes bank off it's fans by delivering a consistent, albeit inferior, product. Modern 40K vidja is literally digging up bodies from last decade and hoping that brand recognition is enough.

Don't you have an N64 game from 99 to beat for the nth time? If warhammer ever wants to make good video games, they need to completely ignore people like you.

Because that is not a videogame, that is a daydream, the classic idea guy not-concept. Even now we struggle to have a game that stands 100 guys at the same time and It is the most barebones interaction. Also that scale would only be functional with a player base the size of PUBG.

Just has been served. At least WHFB fans got a decent game.

>CFL
Canadian Football League?

DoW2 was great though.

I know DoW 1 players weren't happy about the lack of base building, but I liked the more unit focused gameplay.

>blizzard 40k game
please no.

No it hasn't. DoW 3 is a fine game. It looks nice (the most important feature of a VIDEO GAME) and it runs smooth. The fans drove it into the ground because literally nothing will ever make you idiots happy. But it's fine, warhammer total war was such a smashing success that gw will no doubt learn from this and let another well established gaming company make a 40k game. Meanwhile you faggots will still be playing baldurs gate and telling yourselves "this is as good as it gets"

YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE KILLED TALDERR, MOTHERFUCKERS.

A game that is quick and easy to play, but has little gameplay depth when you get down to brass tacks? At the very least, normies would finally see 40k, downside is they would just assume it's a Starcraft reskin. Lets not suggest this as an option.

I love 40k and thought DoW was a shitty RTS from what I played. Good riddance.

Waifus you say....

>the /v/ thread is on fire wit hpeople pretty much sending death threats to relic devs and sega

Because /v/ermin are overreacting man children.

Dynasty warrior style 40k game would be fun, kinda like how they did gundam

Set it during Horus Heresy.
Play as Primarchs.

>MOBA
>amazing

This is an 18+ board

We need a 40k-based porn game.

Exactly. Anyone who thinks blizzard making a 40k game would be good is an idiot.

If any AAA studio was to make a 40k game, my vote would go to either crytek or id. Both good devs, understand the importance of good gameplay, already shown they can do the "super soldier in power armor" concept well, because let's be honest, any AAA studio is going to be making a game about space marines.

Don't act like this wouldn't be the best god dam thing to ever happen to warhammer.

Star craft could have been a 40k game, WoW could have been a wh fantasy mmo. You dinosaurs are just plain wrong about everything.

Warhammer 40K Battlefield by DICE
It will gain high production value but every year that it spends in development they roll a D6, on a 1 the game gets pay 2 win lootboxes

yes/no?

DoW3 was a terrible addition to the DoW franchise not because it broke with tradition. It was a terrible addition because it was a terrible game that couldn't decide what it wanted to do.

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.

>anything blizzard makes
>best god damn thing ever
Blizzdrone please

No. anyone who thinks fucking EA getting the warhammer license could at all be a good thing is a moron

We lived long enough that the most current, yet to be released game is a shitty Diablo-like clone that is on early access for forever and that will probably be underwhelming as fuck.

With BFG:A 2 be the salvation for contemporary 40k games?

Stability and multiplayer issues aside, the first game was incredibly good, and 2 is looking to be more of the same and better, and hopefully without any of the technical issues that hurt the first.

>12 fleet on launch, none of them DLC
>bigger games, up to 1500 points (possibly?)
>multiple dynamic campaigns, possibly one for every fleet
>gorgeous looks

>Game spends 4 years in development
>Coin toss on whether it's good or burns down any chance of AAA warhams
Nah.

I still remember the non-cartoony trailers making normies around my groups feel invested and wanting to know more about 40k's universe and games.

Then the game came out and it looked like everything in the market and they didn't even bother.

The LAST TIME EA tried doing a warhammer game, we got Age of Reckoning, the MMO.

You know what they did?
They forced them to release early, then cashed out immediately leaving them with a skeleton crew.
If GW is a Daemon Prince of Greed, EA is a Chaos God of Greed. It will build dreams, then destroy it in the most painful manner as they rip all the cash they can before killing the studio off (which they did in this case!)

How would you balance races though?

Microsoft is ready to Buy EA and fire the entire board from it once Battlefront 2 dies

>implying i bought that shit after seeing the trailers
na nigg they aint getting my shit untill after the reviews drop

>BFGA2
>devs promised more info today
>and they fucking did except no journalist was present to even report on it
The only bit of info we have come from twitter: twitter.com/bfg_armada
They presented the Necron faction and a playable Phalanx.

>game journalists
>actually doing journalism
What year do you think this is user?

This is a perfect example of knowing your target demographic. If gw actually wants to make successful video games (Which they obviously do) then they need to make games that are focused on apeasing GAMERS, not hobbyists.

If you want to compete with the best, then you need to pull in the bests market audience. Warhammer players are not gamers at heart, they're the opposite in fact, usually complete trash at any video game they touch. Keyboard turning and mouse clicking are among their many faults, so why on earth would you cater to this audience?

Warhammer total war was such a success because it catered to the gaming audience. Flashy graphics, nice to look at, simple mechanics that aren't stupidly complex, as well as giving their product rights to an established gaming company that shits gold.

Gw simply needs to market their video games to people who don't actually play table top warhammer. All my buddies are computer gamers, and I got all of them to buy wh total war, they loved it. They ask me about the characters and the lore all the time, but they still have zero interest in playing the table top game. Do you honestly think that blizzard hasn't thought about making a table top war game for warcraft? Of course they have. But they know that their fans are gamers, not hobbyists, so it wouldnt be as popular as they'd want it to be.

Gw finally got the Fucking ball rolling and let CA make a game for them, and guess what? It worked. Aside from us no doubt getting a 40k total war at some point, I think DoW can easily be pulled out of the gutter by simply ignoring 90% of the feedback they get from their retarded fans.