Players fight Super-villain

>Players fight Super-villain.
>They're destroying most of the city (York).

Can you call yourself a hero when you're so destructive?

eh.... depends on your morality.

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Depends on the stakes, depends on how much is being destroyed, depends on why they're fighting, etc

If a huge meteor was heading towards earth to destroy it and you punch it hard enough it turned into pieces and said pieces still caused minor destruction across the lands, would you consider yourself not a hero? collateral damage will always happens, if at the end the damage done was less than the damage that would've been caused by the super villain, then it's good.
Just because you're salty about getting caught in the collateral damage doesn't mean you revoke the one who saved the day from his hero title.

Would them not fighting the villain result in less people suffering?
If this nigga wants to kill everyone ever sacrificing a city is worth destroying him no matter how hard your dick gets at the whole "but you'll be just like me" bullshit.

Backing this one up. Ran a MnM 2e campaign last year that was full of outrageous moments.

One moment of note, during the last arc of the campaign, was when the High General of the Space Demons invading Earth got into a skyscraper throwing match with the parties resident "All Might" figure.

Imagine seeing pic related javelin throwing a 20 story building at a 14ft tall Alligator man, just for him to punch it apart in one blow and throw another building back at him.

God damn, that was a fun campagin.

If not us, then who?

The self-described villains who enjoy it, or the heroes who suffer to stop it from engulfing the world?

Because giving in to those who would destroy because to fight them would cause destruction would pave the way for such loss of life and more than you appear to be able to imagine.

If you do not care, than stand aside, and allow those who do, to do what they must.

>destructing York
They're fucking heroes.

Of course.
>"Channel 12 News on the scene, with MegaLad and the Liberators about to make an address"
"...I must begin by saying, that we immensely apologize for the wanton destruction of this beautiful american metropolis. It's not every day when a such vile fiend as the Electrocutioner unleashes an army of kill-bots, and without the brave sacrifices of the local law enforment, the damage would be far more than just in property. In an attempt to bring order to his chaotic aftermath, we, the Liberators, for the good of us all, have decided to use this calm in the storm of evildoing to help rebuild this city. It is truly, the least we could do for the people who raised us to where we stand today."

Everyone who reads comics and watches TV/movies knows that collateral damage doesn't actually matter. Foolish user.

It creates jobs.

Modern cities are degenerate cesspools. My character Captain Heartland doesn't consider it a real victory if the place doesn't look like hiroshima afterward.

Hero? Villain? Those don't mean anything to me. I'm the guy with the superpowers, that's all.

Basically this. Ideally, a hero should do their best to move the fight somewhere that collateral damage is minimized. But that isn't always possible with a sufficiently powerful enemy. At that point, the damage would be greater if the hero wasn't there in the first place.

Yes, you moron. If Kid Miracleman slaughters most of London and I level the city in the resulting fight, that's tragic but necessary. What am I supposed to do, wait for him to do that to the rest of the world?

It's why people like Garo or Stain are really dumb. They are, effectively, supporting the terrorists. If a million people have to die so we can stop General Zod, it's better than letting him turn all of the world into a charnel house.

If the fate of the planet or reality itself is on the line, sure. Otherwise it's iffy.

Perhaps it was the citizens of the city that were accomplices to the villain in trying to obstruct the heroes from preventing him from achiving world domination.

>Can you call yourself a hero when you're so destructive?
if you want a simple yes or no answer, you arent getting any, because it depends greatly on what exactly is at stake

if you throw a 5-story building to stop stilt-man from robbing a kwik-e mart, you are most definitely not a hero
meanwhile if galactus is about to eat the entire planet, then the loss of a whole city block is a bit more acceptable if it means buying time to find the ultimate nullifier from wherever the heck it ended up this time

another thing to consider is intent
a hero left with no other choice but to sacrifice a small part of the city for the rest of it is going to get a bit more sympathy, and therefore leniency, for the hard choice he had to make
but a person throwing automobiles to bury a villain under its weight because they were the closest heavy object available is going to justifiably be hated for his collateral damage

and finally, theres the way he does it
as the old saying goes "its not what you said, its how you say it"
superman from MoS is justified in causing craptons of damage to metropolis because the alternative was extinction
but it was so poorly shown and executed, that even knowing that fact wont change the impression of someone causing too much collateral damage
godzilla in the 2014 movie causes way more damage to the city, but the presentation is way different, that he looks like the savior of the city rather than its reaper as humorously depicted in HISHE

Always try to move a battle out of populated areas. Minimize the collateral damage. If you have to, make the foe more focused on fighting you than whatever it came to town to do so you can draw it away. You're heroes; act like it.

>Can you call yourself a hero when you're so destructive?
Depends on how much damage the villain would have caused if not stopped.
Generally if you save more people than you end-up killing, you are a hero.

Is a doctor still a man of medicine for amputating a rotting limb?

>Can you call yourself a hero when you're so destructive?
I don't know, can I?

> T. Lancaster

>destroying York
>a bad thing
If you’d met any of the miserable cunts you’d reconsider.
They make Great beer, though.

We saved most of the city, right?

No? Just part of it? Well I guess that's a win.

From my point of view...

Well, if the fight is high stakes enough to justify it, then yeah, they are.
Imagine what the bad guy would do if they lost
But if they destroy 4 blocks in an attempt to catch some dude that park his car wrong? yeah then you're cunts