>30k TACTICA & TIPS What to include in a HH list, how to format it, what makes each legion special (crunch), tactics, Tutorials for Heresy-era minis and more pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
Is it too much to ask that people put effort into having HH models? Fuck.
Nicholas Smith
What's the cheapest way to build up an Adsecularis horde? bonus points if they're all relatively uniform. Assume for argument's sake that I don't have a massive bits box to draw on
Logan Green
>MkVII with MkVI helmets and a little filed knee pads >"A-ok!" >MkIII Phobos >"No way!"
Jackson Ross
First for Salamanders
Thomas Brooks
Stop self promoting.
This shit is terrible
Aaron King
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Ayden Rivera
ravenwing or white scars
Oliver Sullivan
That's just asking loyalist or traitor
Joshua Gutierrez
Is it too much to ask that people put some effort into their videos >.>
Owen Clark
Glaives or Heavy Bolters?
Jonathan Young
Wow, I love watching narrated powerpoint slideshows...
Jayden Martin
Sounds like you're a perfect match for the Ultramarines!
Caleb Moore
about the SW colors: wish I still had them kinda but I plan on doing 5 man squads of each legion (since I probably will never meet somebody to play games with) but I think it was just a couple layers of Eshin Grey over white. Nothing fancy. I think the scratches were one of the lighter GW grays. When I get around to making more I'll put more effort into it.
-white base -Eshin Grey -Balthasar Gold -Agrax wash on brass -Nuln Oil recess shade
Joshua Thompson
I was thinking about dabbling in Ordo Reductor for a long time. Not that I don't love my robbits, but sometimes I just want to level the area. I started making these Ordo Reductor Artillery Tanks a long time ago, but I never really got the divine inspiration to finish them until recently. I wanted something special - I mean, EVERYONE uses the SA or the LA vehicles. I decided that my ORATs would have turret mounts, so the gun could swivel the full 360° and retain its positioning. So, after a few days in CAD, I think I have a workable design that can be further customized with astra militarum decorative bitz. This particular turret is capable of mounting a basilisk Earthshaker cannon, is capable of spinning as needed, and slots nicely into the ORAT hull that I made. I can't wait to see it printed and finished.
Levi Cox
Standard earthshaker cannon. I still have to make turrets for the Medusas that I have. That turret will be shorter and squatter. The Earthshaker Cannon has a 0.1" diameter hole in its side, where normally the support bars go in and hold it. Within each side of the turret is a rod also 0.1" in diameter, that the gun can slip into for elevation. The gun itself is 0.71" at its second widest point (the widest point being the holes extending out somewhat), so by leaving a 0.75" hole in front, the gun elevation should be able to reach from -5° (If I measured the angle right) to near vertical.
Ryder Collins
Fuck off, Kat, you're an unlikable prick with shit opinions and no friends.
Adrian Martinez
id suggest using brass rod for the pin, even the originals are notorious for snapping.
oh and when playing your reductor be sure to have a servo skull nearby to confer interceptor to your turreted s10 ap2 death machines.
Easton Perry
Youtube keeps putting this fucking australian in my Recomended and its pissing me off.
Jordan Kelly
So you're making a proper "Ordo Reductor special" then, a custom tank that can field any ORAT weapons loadout? (or at least the good ones?)
What's that hull, muhreen arty tank?
Lucas Perez
I will take this into consideration. The sheer thickness of the construction, while making it expensive, should make it somewhat sturdier.
Yes, the main part of the hull (tracks, front plate, bottom plate) is a Legion Artillery Tank. However, the back plate and back block is actually from the old Forge World Hydra kit. I needed something with a central hole that was compatible with the Legion Artillery Tank fram. I sized up that hole for the Turret to rest within. But yes, the idea is to have a hull that can swap the turret / weapon based on the situation, as well as fire in any direction while retaining front armor positioning to the enemy.
Hunter Ross
>fire in any direction while retaining front armor positioning to the enemy. neat
Are you doing all the options? Some of the less-explored ones sound very cool, though the big bombard might look a little odd (iirc the official one is a gun big enough it needs a Russ as a chassis)
Colton Rogers
I was planning on making it for just the earthshaker and medusa, but I would keep options open if I saw other weapons that performed well, or would be interesting to field.
Nolan Johnson
You can have an admech vindicator or a twin-linked meltamobile, that's probably not to be sniffed at
Justin Rogers
Thanks, that's helpful.
Nicholas Myers
no worries, like I said, dead simple. I'm not the best painter by any stretch but honestly this felt too easy. I didn't want them to look hyper clean but when I get some new ones hopefully when FW corrects the "laser sight" issue I plan on getting a bit more detailed with weathering/highlights
Isaiah Richardson
>The loudest voices that called for the censure of the XV'h Legion for straying from the path of sanity and law were those of the Primarchs Leman Russ of the Space Wolves, Corvus Corax of the Raven Guard and Mortarion of the Death Guard. All three had at various times come face-to-face with the all but unimaginable horrors that could result from the ultimate misuse of psychic power
What was Corvus' problem?
Grayson Perry
>All three had at varioustimes come face-to-face with the all butunimaginable horrors that could result fromthe ultimate misuse of psychic power Maybe he saw Magnus step out of the shower once.
Alexander Roberts
>skip through video >looks like armor autism I dwell in the ivory towers of the archival studies cabal. I have seen things you people wouldn't believe. 12 page manuscripts posted to modeling companies to inform them their Panzer IV H model had an incorrectly molded idler wheel on the driver side track. People who spend 6 years studying and collating all 80,000 documents pertaining to a single engagement during a battle. Trains, just trains in general.
Armor autism is for little bitches because there's no right answer. If you apply autism to, say, an idler wheel, you can prove that you are objectively correct about German machining and everyone else is wrong AND THEN TELL THEM EVERY DAY CONTINUOUSLY Whereas if you insist that only space wolves used square shoulderpad rivets you can't prove anyone wrong. You can't ask space wolf veterans about it. You can't scan the quality guidelines for the forge world in question. 9 times out of 10 armor autism is just an opinion and nobody cares about your opinion. I deal with elderly engineers and architectural experts on a near-daily basis and these armor babies don't have what it takes to step into an autism that requires serious study through poorly cataloged storehouses to achieve dominance.
Xavier Kelly
I've never wanted to hug an user so badly for putting exactly my thoughts into words before.
Alexander Hall
The Emperor asks each Primarch for a sword. How does each respond?
>Lion El'Jonson: (lies) I don't have a sword >Fulgrim: I have crafted for you a sword shaped in the very vision of my emperor-crafted penis >Perturabo: Nobody has ever asked me for a sword so I have none >Jaghatai Khan: (unintelligible) >Leman Russ: Please use me as a sword master >Rogal Dorn: Instead of a sword I have established a fortified position >Konrad Curze: I have foreseen this eventuality and deliberately hidden all swords >Sanguinius: Here is my sword father >Ferrus Manus: Here take m....(dies) >Angron: If only I had a sword at Nuceria REEEEEE >Roboute Guilliman: 10,000,000 swords that all commit heresy are inbound to your position >Mortarion: pulls out disgustingly dirty sword the emperor promptly ignores
>Horus: Why do you need a sword when I'm here?! WHY WHY destroys your imperium >Lorgar: A sword? The greatest sword is faith. Faith that you denied me. All I ever wanted was faith and you denied me. Have I not spilt enough blood for you father? Have I not earned the same greatness as my brothers? These transgressions that you dare point at me are not my own doing but a result from the barbaric nature you forced upon me. You ask me for a sword when I could give you paradise. You ask me to give you the instruments to kill when this was never what I wanted. I am not like Russ or Curze, I crave more to life than the simple a…(cont.) >Vulkan: I have destroyed all of my swords for being too powerful, idk why I bother making things anymore >Corax: teleports behind emperor here my liege, take this sword I dub DARKBLADE SOULSTEALER. Linkin Park will play directly from the guard >Alpharius: Okay, wait no.
Owen Harris
>Jaghatai Khan: gives Emperor sword; Emperor never thanks him for it or seeks him out; might not even know he got it.
>Perturabo: gives him a Chinese Wonder shovel.
>Alpharius: "I already gave you a sword. but it wasn't mine and I'm not telling you who it belonged to
Daniel Miller
>>Angron: If only I had a sword at Nuceria REEEEEE kek
Working on my first proper Heresy Force. Idea is of a rather pissed off Iron Warrior commander who's in charge of the actual military cannon fodder and trench diggers. Any thoughts on how to improve it?
Gabriel Edwards
Any wolfsbane spoilers? Particulary about Horus vs Russ fight and Erlking?
Jordan Davis
Russ a bitch. Not really a spoiler tho.
Owen Anderson
Russ while fighting Horus sees a vision of the End Times/Wolf Time. He witnesses dark warlord holding a dread sword covered with daemonic faces striking down the Emperor (now in his corpse form) from his throne
Nicholas Allen
Is this Abaddon reference?
Josiah Anderson
Doesn't matter. Implying GW will ever have the balls to follow through with it
Gabriel Flores
What about fight itself? How Russ holding up against Satan-Horus? What Russ achieve with his suicidal attack on Vengeful spirit?
Parker Peterson
Hey Macca or Cat, stop whoring your boring shit here. Thanks.
Josiah Torres
Has anyone here actually run a leviathan talon of three? The fact that it exists makes me want to try it one day.
Nicholas Kelly
Upvoted.
Henry Powell
They fight a bit, Russ bitches about having to fight with the super-spear, he hits horus and de-chaosifies him temporarily, both ramble for a bit, then Russ runs away going "Yeah, I totally could have taken him, easily, but he not worth it, bro." to the other space wolves while Horus now has bad dreams sometimes.
Owen Hughes
So he achieved nothing at all? Sad.
Robert Ward
Fucking BL with stupid ''Yeah, I totally could have taken him, easily, but he not worth it, bro". What's the point?
Alexander Myers
Classic BL plot, russ is too retarded to live
Grayson Wilson
Not Russ. It is authors who really retarded.
Anthony Diaz
So Russ now not only has the blood of Prospero on his hands, but that of Sanguinius and The Emperor for not finishing Horus...
Great guy.
Camden Carter
>BL
Anthony Harris
>the 2nd primarch storms across the battlefield, the rangdan corruption clear on his flesh >russ, the 6th primarch, sees that the 2nd is lost to the imperium, and knows what he must do >he charges forwards, striking so suddenly the 2nd doesn't see him until it's too late >pinning the 2nd down, his sword at the lost one's throat, russ prepares to do his duty >"now, 2nd primarch, I hope you know we're all very disappointed with you" he says >his task completed, russ sheaths his sword, gets up, and walks away
Gavin Parker
Can you quote some interesting moments from the fight?
Gavin Fisher
>implying Russ could have actually taken Horus and isn't just making up a lame excuse for his failure
Camden Nelson
Are you guys serious? We already have a novel that show us the aftermath of their fight. Russ was broken in both mind and body..
Chase Ross
In last Horus Heresy books all loyal primarchs, who was absent on Terra during the siege in old lore, now get new reasonable roles. Corax led guerilla war, Vulkan guarding Emperor on the throne, Guilliman push through blockade and Lion destroy traitors home worlds. Only Russ still gets nothing. BL authors shit on him and make Russ retarded. Wtf?
Justin Bailey
Guy Haley is stupid fuck who don't read Thrpe's Weregeld.
Josiah Foster
This is why nobody should take /hh/ seriously. Hysterical idiots and their lying trolls.
Cameron Evans
I dunno, I can't be too critical of him not reading Thorpe's stuff. I wish I hadn't.
Angel Cooper
Authors are the same fanboys who biased against SW.
Nathan Taylor
The only book of he/his I've read was Deliverance Lost and I thought it was pretty average by HH standards.
Evan Rodriguez
In old lore they were delayed by warpstorms. But now everyone can go to Terra but only 2 Legions did. Not counting Fists because they always been there.
Isaac Ward
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Adrian Miller
I wonder if Alexis "big bollocks" Polux will make it back to Terra. There's no reason why not, if the Blood Angels can make it from Macragge to Terra in time. >pertuarbo lands on Terra >suddenly an involuntary shiver goes through him >he looks up, sees a figure at the top of the wall >"remember me?"
Christopher Hernandez
so why was papa sang the best primarch?
Hunter Gonzalez
Why not? Though I'd say Khan is da best.
Jose Scott
Litterally worst primarch. ‘Father might do worse. He might forgive you.’ He struck home. Curze’s mask of contempt fell. The unease returned. The reptilian eyes widened as they saw destiny enter a state of flux. In the storm of emotions that passed in micro-tremors over the Night Haunter, Sanguinius saw anger and doubt. He saw horror again at the thought that the universe really was not as Curze had known it to be, for so long, and so absolutely. And Sanguinius saw what he was looking for. He saw the rarest of all things in Curze’s eyes. He saw hope. That was what he needed. That was confirmation. He pushed Curze into the stasis coffin. The Night Haunter fell back and lay prone, helpless. ‘He might forgive you. I don’t. You cannot have that redemption. I won’t let you. Rest certain in your destiny. You will have it. I am not taking you to Father.’ ‘You can’t kill me either. I die at the hand of Father’s assassin.’ ‘I’m not going to kill you. I am going to jettison your coffin into the void. The assassin will find you when the time comes. It may be millennia, Konrad.’ The hope vanished forever from Curze’s eyes, replaced by a different form of horror. ‘You claim destiny can’t be altered.So be it. Yours will be as you say.’ He stepped back and depressed a pad on the side of the coffin, generating the stasis field. It froze Curze in mid-scream. He moved to the vault door. He did not open it immediately. Before he saw Azkaellon, before he looked upon any of his sons, he thought about his fate and hope. He would meet Horus on the Vengeful Spirit. He accepted the inalterability of his fate to that point. But he had learned that destiny could change. Perhaps there was still a choice to come, only it was not his. Horus was not Curze. What he had been was too magnificent to be lost utterly. Sanguinius would summon it again. He had passed through the Delphos and triumphed. He would save Horus.
Jace Gray
Why Solar Auxilia don't have any anti armour troop choice? Like heavy weapon squads or special weapon squads.
Lucas Rivera
Rapiers
Nicholas Barnes
>Has vindicators with a transport capacity as dedicated transports, >Has the ability to take 18 leman russ battletanks in a standard FOC, >Has Valdors as heavy support choices, >Has access to wide mix of powerful artillery and antitank gun platforms through rapiers and artillery, >Can take Hq choices that launch artillery strikes. >Moans he doesn't have dedicated antitank as troops. Solar Auxilia players everyone.
Jason Green
>Want to have Armoured Breakthrough force >Play Fists >Currently painting 4 Sicarans and 4 Predators
Why did I do this to myself
Leo Lee
The only mistake there was putting Curse in the stasis coffin before throwing him out an airlock
Jason Taylor
lot of loyalty for a traitor Primarch
Aiden Thomas
working on an AL list with Pimarch's chosen. Using Calth as a base, so some things are pretty set in stone.
>HQ Alpharius
Command squad Cat. Armour power fists Proteus Augury Web
Centurion Saboteur
Damocles Command Rhino
>Troops Tac. Vet squad 5 marines Nuncio vox vexilia heavy bolter missile launcher lightning claw power dagger venom spheres
Tac. Vet squad 5 marines Nuncio vox vexilia heavy bolter missile launcher lightning claw power dagger venom spheres
Tac. Vet squad 5 marines Nuncio vox vexilia heavy bolter missile launcher lightning claw power dagger venom spheres
Or perhaps he's wondering why someone would put someone in a stasis field before throwing him out of an airlock?
Grayson Edwards
How many points is this? Why are you running a single landraider with no other armour? Why do your vets have Hbs and Missiles? Why a C-Beam gun?
Carter Ward
Thanks for the critique. In order: >2500 points >Costcutting, both in points and bongbucks >Both of those weapons come with suspensor webs, so can be used as assault weapons when needed >The plan for the Lerneans is to drop them on an objective, fight off anything that might be holding it, then use the C.beam to harass the enemy if they choose not to counter-attack
Andrew Ramirez
points Be prepared for your opponents to have 3-4 units that can kill that Proteus turn 1. >>Costcutting, both in points and bongbucks Fair enough. personally id suggest more men instead of the land raider. Alphas can actually be very effective as infantry heavy. >>Both of those weapons come with suspensor webs, so can be used as assault weapons when needed Stick to one or the other per unit. Hbs are useless against med=ium armour, frag missiles are meh against everything. >>The plan for the Lerneans is to drop them on an objective, fight off anything that might be holding it, then use the C.beam to harass the enemy if they choose not to counter-attack Unless what they are harassing is the other side of the board stick to literally any other weapons
If you already have the list, play a few games, if you're planning purchases look into getting 2 copies of calth instead of some of the fancy toys.
Kevin Howard
Cool, you make some good points. The main reason for the Proteus is to double down with the Damocles and Alpharius to dominate the enemy reserve rolls. I'll try to shuffle the loadouts to specialise my squads, rather than as generalists >Unless what they are harassing is the other side of the board That was kind of the idea; it's an expensive unit, and the shock assault alone might not earn their points back if they get ignored.
Jackson Wilson
What do you think about coming soon™ Solar Auxilia transport?
Wyatt Clark
Fucking beautiful response user
Christian Morales
It is litterally just a rhino
Noah Fisher
Sounds like a Rhino with a multilaser. Apt filename.
Andrew Howard
Honestly looks like a better rhino for the cost. Multilaser is a step up from a stormbolter even with the 1 less BS (Though I can't recall what Explorator Adaption does off the top of my head).
Hunter Collins
>IA use 20 man units >this thing is supposed to have been on the way to being the standard transport for the Army >can't carry a proper unit only elitefags >but elite units already have better options--for example the one (1) viable militia build literally gets rhinos already, which this is functionally, and SA get a demo cannon in a dracosan This makes no sense from rules or fluff.
Jackson Powell
It's basically a slightly up-gunned rhino, with all that implies. Old Faithful still has its uses, same as always.
Evan Jenkins
I assume in the fluff the aurox is smaller and cheaper, since it only has to be big enough to carry 10 regular dudes, not 10 space marines.
Jeremiah Stewart
Sometimes you want a cheap alternative. The Dracosan, while by all means a impressive vehicle, is basically a superheavy tank with some tech stripped out to make room for a infantry squad. That is expensive. Better get a easy-to-build alternative that your factories can shit out by the truckload., even if that means reorganizing your infantry.
Mason Campbell
>I can't recall what Explorator Adaption does off the top of my head). It's common for Solar Auxilia vehicles. It gives 6++ against blast and template, give reroll of failed dangerous terrain tests, and count as void hardened.
Dylan Turner
I can see some use in carrying Flamer or Storm Sections alongside a Dracosan filled with Lasrifle Section to an objective. I mean, obviously a second Dracosan, this one with a demolisher, would be better, but at 35pts vs ~170pts one needs to consider the price difference.
Hunter Sanders
>Love tanks >Absolutely hate painting vehicles I feel you man
Samuel Sullivan
>>Costcutting, both in points and bongbucks The issue with only one or two vehicles is that it is the only real target for enemy anti-tank weapons, meaning every single lascannon, deredeo, and kraken missile is going for those two vehicles and they will die very very quickly. At 2500 points I would suggest a minimum of 12-16 hull points worth of heavy (AV 13 front at least) vehicles. There are some exceptions for example AV 15 vehicles with someone who can repair hull points might still be pretty hard to take down. Any less and your vehicles will just be a giant target. If you aren't taking many heavy vehicles I would suggest taking none at all since then at least the enemy AT will be largely wasted.
