Discuss the lore and story of the Warcraft franchise and its application in and around traditional games.
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What if the plot of Kul-Tiras will be to show us that the Old Gods aren't the ultimate evil, and that the Void can be good? This would align very well with the introduction of void elves, which seems nonsensical out of context.
Jack Morris
Nth for big fat dragon tats
Austin Nelson
How would someone actually run a Warcraft campaign? Would you run it open to races of both factions? What sort of plot would you go with?
Evan Gomez
I think the Void is, at best, capable of being "good" like Bwonsamdi is "good".
Blake Cooper
No. No. No. No. No. Blizzard has already fucked up all their demon races with "they dindu nuffin" bullshit. They don't need to do that to ANOTHER big bad of the franchise.
Samuel Morales
if you wanted to run a campaign with both factions you would run a plot with a neutral storyline, like fighting the Legion or the Scourge
Ayden Carter
Make them criminals or pirates. A group of outcasts who, through mutual plight, see beyond the standard faction lines.
Thomas Brown
I want to FUCK Yrel pregnant.
Colton Parker
Like I did: ignoring the factions.
Noah Jones
I want to use a turkey baster!
Christopher Brown
The line starts behind me.
Kevin Johnson
Make something so major that both sides sit down and shut up. Alternatively is the best option.
>Not wanting to handle impregnating her personally Science is the worst way to do it.
>Implying Yrel would want to fuck an Orc.
Daniel Brooks
I ran and played Warcraft campaigns several times, to great success. Maybe I will tell about them at some later point.
Luis Perry
>>Implying Yrel would want to fuck an Orc. >implying she'd have a choice
Hunter Jenkins
My half-idea I have for one puts it an AU 10 years after TFT where the factions effectively aren't things anymore.
Ayden James
So, good as long as you unwittingly serve their interests?
Ryan Flores
>Not wanting to handle impregnating her personally She must remain as pure as my complete lack of interest in fucking her.
Ayden Anderson
And I ran a campaign after TFT, before WoW, back when I had no idea factions would become so bad.
Matthew Wright
Yeah, the Void can be good not because it cares about your well being but because it doesn't see any benefit for itself in being evil.
Juan Martin
That sounds about right. Depending on how benign their interests are, some Void Lords might seem almost decent.
Henry Lee
I'm running a Forsaken campaign right now.
William Barnes
>Orcs are left in no fighting state after the end of WoD >The draenei are possibly pissed and are actually willing to use their tech, unlike main timeline "Velen" draenei. The orcs are probably getting purged in WoDraenor over the shit they pulled.
Adrian Williams
"King's Honor, Friend."
Lincoln Harris
You forgot your BlueOrc picture bruh.
Nicholas Gray
Are you excited for Vulperra or do you hate them?
Connor Gutierrez
And also forgot to kill yourself.
Joseph Wood
I'm intrigued by them, but I need to see Voldun and their lore before I make a full judgement.
Yeah, they'll attract furfags, but Worgen Tauren and Pandaren already do that so what's one more?
Robert Hughes
He wasn't alone.
Henry Ward
Do tell us more please.
Owen Taylor
uh, you don't get to bring warchiefs
Dominic Roberts
I can already tell you the lore, Sethrak are a young ambitious empire that spreads deserts by electrocuting the ground and Vulperra are their slaves who you help to rise up.
Angel Sanders
Ich schwöre bei Gott diesen heiligen Eid, daß ich dem Führer des Verlassenes Reiches und Volkes Sylvanas Windrunner, dem Oberbefehlshaber der Wehrmacht, unbedingten Gehorsam leisten und als tapferer Soldat bereit sein will, jederzeit für diesen Eid mein Leben einzusetzen.
Parker Fisher
>spreads deserts by electrocuting the ground How does that even work?
Dylan Cox
Magic friend.
Thomas Bailey
They're okay. I don't really see the appeal but I hope it means that goblins will get an update soon that makes the women slightly less update.
They're meh as furries. Pandaren girls are cuter
Hudson Miller
You're a shitfuck Death Knight, Darion. Also your swords are memes.
Jordan Brooks
its a group of 7 of us playing forsken who awoke and are walking down to Stormwind from Lordaeron to go home. Right now they are trying to figure how to open the door to black rock mountain. There bodies are pretty fresh they refused to believe they are undead just sick from a disease. I'm wondering if theres a rulebook on how forsaken can turn into living though maybe I can do a quest for them after they go to stormwind.
Luke Russell
Plants need water to grow. Plants don't need electrolytes.
Ryan Perry
Kill yourself.
Adam Howard
Went from crab monster to chaos spawn
Juan Powell
They build tall towers topped with crystals that continuously lash the ground with lightning.
Aaron Taylor
>an entire party of Old Fillmaffs I love it.
Adam Clark
People want to shit on the factions, but we could have still had them without this RvB shit becoming this obnoxious.
John Edwards
To those that have run a Warcraft campaign, did you use the actual Warcraft RPG or adapt the setting to another system?
I'm considering running a Warcraft game in 5e. Races are easy to adapt, and many of the classes have analogues that are close enough (my players aren't huge sticklers, a DnD paladin is close enough to a Warcraft paladin). A few classes seem like they'd need more work though:
Shaman: really no good analogue that I can see, totem barbarians aren't close at all. Maybe some sort of modified tempest cleric
Brewmaster: obviously could base this on the monk, but would need significant additions
Priest: not a dead ringer for cleric of course but seems fairly doable
Demon Hunter, Death Knight: I'm fine just excluding these
Cameron Gray
Fuck off back to /v/ Sage
Luis Johnson
I maintain that while there are a lot of problems with RvB the biggest is Blizzard can't commit to it being either Gray or Black and White.
Joseph Powell
Isn't there a partial 5E conversion in the OP google drive.
John Perez
It can only be grey in a MMO, how can they not see it? If it's not grey, people will get mad, and for a good reason. Also Blizzard ignored faction conflict altogether in Vanilla outside of Battlegrounds.
Christian Cook
You have to deal with Grey Foxes and Snake? Snake? SNAAAAKKEEEs in Zandalar-land.
I swear there better be some MG2:SS or MGS1 shit in Voldun.
This is the reason blizz made the Horde into Hitler for a couple years. It just become a hostile environment for Alliance at blizzcon.
Jace Gomez
I hope not. Nick Cage references in Drustvar were enough.
Jose Baker
>Shaman The attached isn't perfect for this, since it doesn't do the working with all elements thing, but it's not bad.
>Brewmaster Xanathar's Guide to Everything just gave us the drunken master archetype for monks.
Grayson White
Inconsistency was the real issue. RvB becomes a bigger deal when Garrosh comes along, but people complain about him so they turn it up to 11 to justify killing him later. Then suddenly we're best friends again until they make Sylvanas warchief, then people complain, so now we're getting RvB again so we can kill her too. Blizz needs to stop letting people's bitching write their lore.
Eli Young
So if void elves are allowed in the city, are demons alright too?
Nathan Allen
Void Elves are lawful good Jokers.
Imagine Joker but lawful good.
Ryder Morris
Question: Why did blizzard remove the free flight paths you got when ever you leveled a new character?
Jaxon Thompson
They're some kind of heirloom toy now and you can get them all at once.
Thomas Roberts
Is that him in the picture?
Alexander Kelly
I hope that the language barrier on RP realms is brought down. I'm playing a male Blood Elf mage waiting to hear from his big sister who went to Draenor with the Alliance Expedition. In light of recent events, he relocated from Silvermoon City to Dalaran and is waiting to hear from her. All he knows is that she is alive.
Samuel Brown
Void elves and blood elves share a language anyway, it's all good.
Ethan Price
>Imagine Joker but lawful good.
But I can't
Carter Hill
Is that a subtle suggestion that void elves have no right to exist?
Connor Kelly
RvB can be
>Two factions opposed to one another based on their mutual histories of conflict that makes them unable to truly trust one another
or
>The Noble Races of the Alliance fight to destroy the Vile Horde
But Blizzard keeps trying to do both at once, and it just makes it look like the Horde is the Alliance's retarded little brother they have to periodically stop from breaking shit.
Henry Harris
So do humans and forsaken
Lucas Turner
Listening to Vargs music makes me really wish there was Human druid lore in WoW
Void and blood elves can literally communicate in game, though. They both speak Thalassian. This marks yet another example of a race/class that can break the language barrier. At this point I think it'd be fine to just remove it completely.
Samuel Green
In-game? No, Forsaken have Gutterspeak instead. Blood elves and void elves both get Thalassian and can communicate across faction lines.
Jacob Roberts
I need music for questing as a shaman. I know you guys can provide.
Dylan Davis
Forsaken originally had Common as a second language. It got changed to Gutterspeak some time in beta though since it only served to allow people to fling insults in game. And this was in beta back before a decade of kool aid
Alexander Mitchell
In beta Gutterspeak was common. Currently Gutterspeak is the translation wordset/algorithm for common, but with a different name so that forsaken can't fling insults across factions
Jaxon Gonzalez
Lazy reuse of disgustingly lumpy/cartoony Garrison assets. It probably won't change even when it goes live.
To be fair, it was the fucking Forsaken, even in vanilla their playerbase had a reputation for being ganking, griefing edgelords that persists to this day.
>"No she's no new arthas shes muh waifu" I'm sorry I can't fap to a corpse
Cameron Hill
I think another issue is that Blizzard's writing is about as subtle and high quality as a squealing hog tied to the end of a broom handle. If they could fathom a plotline that wasn't THIS DUDE YOU REMEMBER WENT INSANE AND TRIED TO EXPLODE THE WORLD, QUICK JOIN THE RAID TO KILL HIM they might be able to pull off some interesting stuff even if the underlying premise was bad. Alas, every single conflict and major event follows the same basic pattern, so there's really no way to handle faction relations that isn't one-dimensional and crude. In the context of RvB, this means they're besties uniting against a common threat and/or you've just shit all over at least one of the factions.
Noah Sanders
Don't worry. You're covered.
He'll make sure you don't get an undeading, he's going to keep the souls of his wayward children right where they need to be.
Ethan Lopez
I'm so fucking happy he's relevant again.
Logan Thomas
Thanks user.
Samuel Sanchez
>Has Lorthamar fucked us? (Again?) >tfw you were a good natured high elf who had to see his human friends leave him and his leader turn your faction to the horde >tfw you now have to see trolls hitting on your daugter >AMANI TROLLS >and you are supposed to be ok with this and think this is better than dying
Anthony Edwards
Do you want a comic book story or a novel? I prefer the Comic Book villain of the week since it fits with the Alliance
Ethan Sullivan
>elven "Men" trying to compete with the BTC
Christopher Rivera
pssst hey buddy wanna try some void?
Ryder Cruz
>void elves are high/blood elves who choose edginess over being cucked Truely the greatest sacrifice
Christian Williams
And I will do my part in removing them in PvP.
James Evans
Yeah, here's another problem that leads to the inconsistency problem.
Horde players like moral ambiguity while Alliance players prefer simplicity.
Sebastian Nguyen
Thicc humans will also probably be playable down the line I can only imagine that Blizzard is gonna be adding a new race or two for each faction every damn patch
Liam Powell
How much sway does Saurfang hold? Can he tell her to stop? Honestly the hordes whole confederation seems REALLY fucking fragile now with this cunt in charge
Ethan Barnes
It was the same with Garrosh in charge.
Blizzard wants to set things back to WC2 but doesn't want to alienate fans of WC3's Horde, so they set up evil Warchiefs doing bad shit but have a bunch of other people stick around and say "oh, I sure do hate that evil Warchief".
Jacob Gray
I don't expect Sylvanas to remain in power for long
Andrew Jackson
Hey! I be takin' offense to that We be darkspear, not Amani! And we don't like it either.
Adrian Brown
Shame that blizzard is the only one who wants to go back to the WC2 horde
Eli Hughes
Even comics resurrect or avoid killing off their major characters. If WoW was Batman they'd be out of villains and his origin story would have been retconned to taking down his own parents during an arms deal.