Palpatine did nothing wrong

That is A) A retcon B) No longer canon

He wanted to become the Senate.

None of this shit is canon, and Lucas doesn't even know what yuuzhan vong is.

The Yuuzhan Vong

Not really. It's a third party claiming that Palpatine did what he did to prepare for the Vong, one who never directly worked with Palpatine.

Regardless, even if he HAD done what he did because of the Vong, he didn't do it out of the goodness of his heart. He did it because he wanted to rule the galaxy, and they posed a threat to his rule.

Because he wanted the power to do whatever he wanted and to have no one who can tell him no.

yuuzhan vong yeah those guise, see user i told you, unfortunately lucas was not strong enough inda force to see these dudes and disney wrote the history of the victors in favor of their protagonists

the important part is that the emperor saved humanity like any proper emprah would

the galaxy is weak, the jedi are weak, only the strength of the sith could stop the vong

the sith have no need or desire to unite the galaxy under one rule, it is more difficult to control as one cannot play the sides against each other; it is also easier to figure out who is in charge

palpatine only united galaxy under his rule because he couldnt ensure its continuation without supreme executive control

He didn't know the specifics about the Yuuzhan Vong, he was just afraid that out there, somewhere, there might be something to threaten his rule. That's it really. And it turns out the stuff the Empire built under his rule was exactly the sort of thing that would have been ineffective against the Vong. Rebellion and New Republic doctrine centered on strong starfighters was much more effective than grand superweapons when it came to beating Vong defensive tech.

Plus, in the end it took the Jedi fostering a rebellion in the Vong's lower classes and also contacting the living planet Zonama Sekot to really beat the Vong. If it was just the Empire versus the Vong, the Vong would have won.

>But muh left wing terrorists!

I will never, ever understand Empire fanboys who think objecting to a totalitarian terrorist police state makes you the real bad guy.

>no longer canon

No one gives a flying whale turd about Disneycanon.

i agree that empire tactics were the wrong approach and would probably have lost; however on the vagaeries of the force: palpatine knew he had to unite the galaxy under one banner to protect it against an outside unpercievable force, what he didnt know is that actual victory would be achieved by a small terrorist splinter group (uninhibited by the jedi counsel or politicians) that arose in reaction to his consilidation

no siddius, no rebels, no defeating vong

If you were Human or Nearhuman and didn't act like a shit the Empire left you alone at worst and treated you good at best. In EU a lot of Mid Rimmers said they couldn't even notice a difference in their lives between the Republic and Empire (and they didn't say that in a negative way).

The Rebellion itself starred because a few disgruntled political rivals of Palpatine lost their influence in the Senate and took a hit to their wages.

>If you were Human or Nearhuman and didn't act like a shit

Yeah like say 'Wanting democracy' or 'Living on a planet that Princess Leia lived on'.

> the galaxy is weak, the jedi are weak, only the strength of the sith could stop the vong
Except the Jedi and the Republic did successfully defeat the Yuuzhan Vong, so you're just flat out wrong there. And part of the reason that they were able to do that was that they were able to convince the Yuuzhan Vong homeworld to side with them and started the Jeedai heresy among the Shamed Ones, bringing down the Vong from within. The Sith wouldn't have been able to do that. Could the Sith have offered the Shamed Ones a better lot in life? Nope, the Sith subscribed to the same kind of brutality that the Shamed Ones suffered under the Priest and Warrior castes. Would the Sith have bothered talking to Zonama Sekot? Nope again.

>wanting democracy

You can want democracy all you want. When you start firing the first shots and murdering people for it, then you're a shit. The Empire did nothing to the founders of the Rebellion. They instigated it by sending Palps a declaration of "we're coming to murder you and there will be no negotiation".

> palpatine knew he had to unite the galaxy under one banner to protect it
Palpatine didn't unite the galaxy. He just usurped control from the largest government that was already in existence.

And again, you're wrong. The Jedi were a key part of beating the Yuuzhan Vong.

>If you were Human or Nearhuman and didn't act like a shit the Empire left you alone at worst and treated you good at best
>If you were Aryan or NearAryan and didn't act like a shit the Nazis left you alone at worst and treated you good at best

>You can want democracy all you want

Yes, which is why he disbanded the senate. At which point, what sort of democracy was available?

>Five Jedi go after Palpatine for illegally seizing power and dismantling the lawful government
>This means it's okay to blow up an unrelated planet populated by billions of people twenty years later

>When you start firing the first shots and murdering people for it, then you're a shit.

Palpatine must be a real shit, what was murdering people for his rule. You know, by starting a civil war and organising a whole heap of assassinations.

obviosly more knowledgable than i
but see --->palpatine perceived a threat through the force and his feeling led him to a course of action that indeed precipitated final victory

additional points include:
1. encumbered by the beauracracy of the senate and isolationism of the senate capable diplomats and agents would never be deployed in time
2. this is a big one, what if the vong captured the council, it could power unstoppable tech, only via their destruction could victory be secures

*isolationism of the jedi counsel

It's a cultural thing. If you look at a nation-by-nation map of rebels vs the empire, the place that's most supportive of the empire is Russia. In Russia, they look back favorably on both Stalin and the Tsarist days. Never mind the terror and death involved in maintaining power, all they care about is strength. The government can be brutally repressive, but as long as it is strong it's the paragon of goodness.

> palpatine perceived a threat through the force and his feeling led him to a course of action that indeed precipitated final victory
No he didn't. He didn't know the Vong were coming and he didn't know how to beat them because he didn't know anything about the Vong. It was simply a case where the dictator was afraid that something might spoil is fun.

And you clearly don't even know what you're talking about. I mean seriously, what the fuck is this:
> 2. this is a big one, what if the vong captured the council, it could power unstoppable tech, only via their destruction could victory be secures
The Vong can't use the force. Like, at all. It's one of their defining characteristics. The Jedi council would have been completely useless to them.

> palpatine perceived a threat through the force and his feeling led him to a course of action that indeed precipitated final victory
That's not how the dark side works. You don't go with the flow and have it all work out because you're riding along with the current. The dark side is all about imposing your own will upon things, including the force. It is also, by the way, extremely self-centered. It doesn't lead to grand acts of self-sacrifice for the greater good. Palpatine would never take one for the team. He was always focused on keeping his ass on the throne, fuck everyone else.

I dunno, I've met plenty of American Empire apologists.

I think what it comes down to is some people just have very obvious authoritarian tendencies and the Empire fits in nicely with that.

There is no "American Empire", you semi-literate marxist mong.

"America Empire apologists" as in Star Wars Empire apologists who are from America you brain-dead troglodyte.

>hurr
Im pretty rp as much as a grill can be anyway but are you retarded? There are plenty of places america owns without representation.

For the Seperatist Alliance!

they can power a starfighter with a normal human, plugging in a jedi council is how you make starforge

Daily Reminder that the Grand Admiral was sent into the Unknown Territories to destroy the Vong scouts.

You're confusing them with the Ssi-ruk, who use ships powered by people. The Yuuzhan Vong use totally different tech.

>Rebellion and New Republic doctrine centered on strong starfighters was much more effective than grand superweapons when it came to beating Vong defensive tech.
>implying the Yuuzhan Vong wouldn't have crumpled like a wet tissue if the Death Star had destroyed all their worldships

Palps instigated a war which killed billions, instituted a regime which killed billions on multiple planets and activly stripped species of their freedom.

Single, powerful shots are exactly the sort of thing that Yuuzhan Vong defensive tech counters. The Death Star wouldn't be able hit the target because the superlaser beam can be bent out of the way. It would be a massive waste of resources against the Vong, much less effective than putting those resources into starfighters.

I don't think Palpatine cared about democracy

Holy Kenobi, it's like I heard my government!

hello, you are mistaken, here's why

youtube.com/watch?v=far77PXAHG0

This.

Canon, wtf is that? There is a story. And stories are told by creators. Nothing Disney says is from the creator of this story.

are you serious? It's being institutionalized in the empire for humans to have slave consorts that are twi'leks/togruta/sexy alien species with headtails (and some without)

And nothing any of the EU sources say came from the creator either.

Also, reminder George had virtually nothing to do with best moments from the OT. And considering what we got when he did take the reins back, that's a good thing

>Exposed the horribly corrupt nature of the senate
>Saw the outer rim was being taxed with no representation
>Made billions of jobs to help the war effort both times
>made sure no one starved in their empire.

Check out a game called 'Orange trainer' my brother

>Exposed the horribly corrupt nature of the senate
And replaced it with a bloodthirsty military junta
>Saw the outer rim was being taxed with no representation
And responded by conquering and enslaving those planets
>Made billions of jobs to help the war effort both times
Wars they started in the first place to expand their bloodthirsty military junta
>made sure no one starved in their empire
Unless you lived on the same planet as someone they didn't like, in which case they just blew you up.

Is there any fanbase more delusional than Empireboys?

you act like your points are a bad thing. Empire knew what they were doing man.

>Slavery and genocide are okay because they're not happening to me
>I would be a good little cog and get headpats from Tarkin

And yet we blew up your terror weapon. Twice. Stay blind, plastic boy.

>If you were Human or Nearhuman and didn't act like a shit the Empire left you alone at worst and treated you good at best
Unless they enslaved you or destroyed your home in a weapons test or abducted you for freaky sith experiments or deiced they'd rather install someone else as a puppet ruler and ignoring the fact that they purposefully let criminal organisations flourish as long as they played by empire rules as seen in canon and eu.

Do you really think that'll sway empire apologists?

Don't forget how the entire climax of ESB was Darth Vader extorting a man into selling out his friends, then seizing the guy's business anyway.

The Empire are the worst sort of thugs. And frankly they're for more entertaining that way.

It makes it even more interesting with characters that are actually principled and devoted to what the empire could be despite its flaws leading into later imperial knights and stuff.

Probably not, but I always relish on pointing out the creepy similarities in reasoning between Empire fans and Nazi apologists.

>Start a civil war to trick everyone into handing power to a central authority
Treason
>But he was going to unite the galaxy against the vong!
Literally unnecessary, all you needed was to re-instill The Force in the Vong and hook them up with Zonama Sekot to get them to not be douchebags. The Galaxy struck back later anyways.

Imperialist don't even care about the wellbeing of the galaxy, they just want Palpatine to be in charge so they can align themselves with his supreme authority. On the other hand there's literally nothing wrong with the Fel Dynasty.

Or abducted you at gunpoint to design weapons for them.

The Empire lost.

I think that's a priori proof that they did something wrong.

They didn't even become the greatest starwars empire.
That'd probably be the rakata infinite empire.

>extorting a man into selling out his friends

You mean getting a known rogue who may be in cahoots with a group of wanted traitors that are more or less part of the Rebellion's leadership and may be coming to the known rogue's planet for shelter to turn them in and not provide aid to them, then taking his history and relationship with one of the wanted traitors into account and not trusting him that much?

How shockingly evil.

Also, wasn't it implied somewhere that the Rebellion planned to attack Bespin in revenge for Lando selling out one of their most important members, Vader suspected it, and that was at least part of the reason he left a garrison? Like he was being a prick altering the deal but at least a small bit of it was out of good intentions for Lando and any Imp-loyal Bespinites. I'm pretty sure the Rebels DID end up attacking Bespin later on too.

And they only lasted about 20 years. Hell, there are French Republics that have lasted longer, and everyone makes fun of them for constantly changing their government.

> wasn't it implied somewhere that the Rebellion planned to attack Bespin in revenge
No.

It's mentioned that rebels were coming for Lando's head though, because again he sold off the Alliance's star guy and the husbando of one of their main leaders. It'd make sense that they'd say "ok motherfucker i see how it is" and come take Bespin for the gas income.

>it's mentioned

Sauce?

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And yet in the end...
youtube.com/watch?v=QdCaYEffB0Q&t=674s

It's kind of like how Hitler's "thousand-year-Reich" didn't even last 15 years.

No it isn't. Lando even flat out joins the rebellion and they make him a fucking general.

He helps Leia out only to save his skin and then he joins the Rebellion to make it up to them. A lot of the highup rebs didn't even want him in.

He helps the rebels because the empire fucked him in the butt. And no where is it said that the rebellion were "coming for his head" or looking to invade Bespin for revenge. You just made that part up. The closest thing to that is that Chewie manhandles him one time because Lando betrayed his best friend.

Palpatine let Vader control the deathstar, leading to the destruction of an entire planet and billions of innocents.

Palpatine is a hero, here he is nipping the formation of a super space mafia in the bud by personally hunting down its leader
youtube.com/watch?v=-7hBZNsPnyg

>Empire nerd makes stuff up to prove Rebels are the real bad guys

No surprises here.

If the Rebels did ever attack Bespin--and it's never stated they did--it was to dismantle the Imperial garrison and liberate it. "Liberating planets from the Empire" is kind of their thing. They wouldn't have attacked it to spite a guy who sold out their leader under coercion. Especially since that guy then promptly joined them, became a general, and served as the strike commander for their do or die raid on the Death Star. If there was any bad blood against Lando, it dissipated almost immediately.

>going full retard because of MUH SITH RELIGION
The problem of the empire is cruelty shit. Sheev could have went benevolent dicktator, but being Sith, that way of thinking fucked everyone

>officer made mistake, gets killed asap
>ruled by total fear, shit doesn't work in the long run some idiots like the rebels will always pop up
>CONSTRUCTED DEATH STAR TWICE FOR FUCK SAKE EVEN THE INEFFICIENT IMPERIUM OF MAN HAS BETTER WAY OF PLANET KILLING

There's also the fact no government which actually builds something called a "death star" is gonna have much in the way of moral superiority over anyone.

This is your brain on 40k

>>brought peace and prosperity to the galaxy
It got better, but peace? Prosperity?
That's laughable.

>>got rid of the oligarchial religious fanatic jedi ruling caste
And replaced it with another one.

>>coordinated the legal systems, taxation and governance of the previously autonomous systems and govts throughout the galaxy
We're into headcanon now?

>>put the faggot republicucks in their place
As shit as your buzzwords are, at least that's one solid point.

Does two people really constitute a "caste"?

No one has mentioned that sheev ordered his main disciple to KILL A ROOM FULL OF FUCKING CHILDREN.

There were problems with the republic, but to claim that the Jedi were religious oligarchs is insane (some would say the fault was they didn't get into politics nearly enough), and fucks sake, the Empire was a facist, racist organization that put a few races to the torch, actively let crime fester in the rim, and we're generally cunts to every one.

Sheev didn't make anakin kill the kids, he just went an did it on is own, because he's a prick

>b-but muh order! muh corrupt senate! muh Rebel lawlessness

I can never get inside the heads of people who think the galaxy getting crushed under a stormtrooper's boot is a good thing.

>If they are not all destroyed, it will be civil war without end. First, I want you to go to the Jedi Temple. We will catch them off balance. Do what must be done, Lord Vader. Do not hesitate. Show no mercy.

I don't see the word "children" in that sentence

America still has territories under its control that it doesn’t acknowledge as fully sovereign or as states.

Have you seen Mouse Wars? The prequel trilogy, with all their problems, is god-tier in comparison. I was dragged along to see The Last Jedi and I walked out of the theater thinking "WTF, I love Jar Jar now."

This is why you need to make your orders clear. youtube.com/watch?v=U6cake3bwnY

>Palpatine let Vader control the deathstar
Tarkin was in command of the deathstar.

>Power. That's all it was about.
Indeed, Sheev just wanted to have the biggest metaphorical dick in the Galaxy...

I've long had an idea where his sister did a much better job at being Empress specifically BECAUSE she was way less powerful.

>>Five Jedi go after Palpatine for illegally seizing power and dismantling the lawful government
...Because instead of going "It's Treason then!" she'd just social-judo the Jedi off Coruscant with the fact they just pulled off a successful military coup.

>The problem of the empire is cruelty shit. Sheev could have went benevolent dicktator, but being Sith, that way of thinking fucked everyone
It's not even Sith religion, remember the Sith kept themselves under wraps for a THOUSAND FUCKING YEARS before Sheev put himself in charge!
Palps is probably the most disappointing Sith to ever Sith...

>Literally unnecessary, all you needed was to re-instill The Force in the Vong and hook them up with Zonama Sekot to get them to not be douchebags
How is anybody supposed to just KNOW that?

>if they are not all destroyed
>all
Extract the stormtrooper toy from your brain and think about this

You figure it out by being able to talk to people, especially the untouchables at the bottom of the Yuuzhan Vong caste system. That gives you insight into their culture, hierarchy, and religion. It also tells you how and where to hit them so that their society will crumble. In this case, it was their obsession with their long lost homeworld and their own feelings of worthlessness. The Jedi eventually figured it out and used that weakness to break their will to fight.