/tgesg/ - Weekend Elder Scrolls General

>Altmer Women

So, I started playing Morrowind for the first time

Why was Dagoth Ur trying to spread a disease? How's that a blessing?

Did a Dragonbreak happen when Nerevar was murdered?

Magic seems really prevalent in Morrowind, now I can't play Skyrim without thinking why a lot of things like portals aren't available in game

I don't get it

Dagoth Ur did nothing wrong
he just wanted for everybody to enjoy his sick beats

>enjoy his sick beats
youtube.com/watch?v=iR-K2rUP86M

>young scrolls

just awful
he shouldn't have half-assed every song

youtube.com/watch?v=ckwlr3r0290

pelinal is canon gay but that makes Veeky Forums insecure and triggered even though it's an interesting character trait so publishers edited it out of the books
and before anyone spergs, him solely being homosexual isn't interesting, it's that we've never seen a badass, specist, cyborg homosexual before. it's interesting

DagothWave is great

>MK is an SJW

this explains things

>pelinal is canon gay
>publishers edited it out of the books
So not canon

>it's that we've never seen a badass, specist, cyborg homosexual before. it's interesting

>specist
>homosexual
>never seen before
>t's interesting

YASS PELINAL SLAYY

it's never been stated to be uncanon, just removed from the song of pelinal. the writer says he's gay, and since no one has proven other wise, he is.

this is what i meant by insecure

Well to be frank Pelinal is not 'canon' gay, as you said it was edited out of the books for this exact purpose, it's just that Kirkbride has stated he originally intended for him to be gay.
Adding onto this the purpose for him being gay has fuck all to do with it being a quirky character trait or some LGBT pandering bullshit, just to get that out of the way. Kirkbride had made it expressly clear that Pelinal was written as gay to connect him with that classical 'heroic' masculine type of love, a la Heracles or Alexander the Great.

You could argue that it's still there, the implication of a relationship between him and Huna similar to that of Achilles and Patroklos.

>just removed from the song of pelinal.
"just". It's not on the books so it's not a thing

>the writer says he's gay,
Not the in-game author, and MK wasn't the only one responsible for the lore, he doesn't even works on TES anymore

>since no one has proven other wise, he is.
This is a fallacy, and no one proved he is not Heterosexual either

>the writer says he's gay, and since no one has proven other wise, he is.

where has the writer said he's gay? The line has been removed, and it's not like he's contesting that removal anywhere, he just said it's no longer there
it being removed is more evidence at it being non-canon and you can't say it's canon just because there is nothing proving otherwise - on the contrary, it seems the idea has been scrapped. this happens all the time, if you claim every single scrapped thing is canon than Lyg is the true canon Tamriel

>all this insecurity
does it bother you guys that much that your DEUS VULT self insert likes dick? it's manly as fuck

god forbid we get one gay character that's an actual badass and not a tralala homo boy.

>I have no arguments so I will call everyone who disagrees with me an insecure man

stop sperging out about insecurity and listen to some drums, n'wah

youtube.com/watch?v=2qNYlFtvt6w

How the fuck did you even came to this conclusion? What crooked path did your neurons take to think of that?

i already made my case, you guys can't disprove he's gay as much as i can't prove he's gay, even though technically i can because the writer straight up said so before the line was removed and no official statement has been said proving otherwise

>Why was Dagoth Ur trying to spread a disease? How's that a blessing?
He's sharing the power of the Heart with the inhabitants of Vvardenfell, which he sees as a gift, he's kind of deranged in this way. You see the problem is human bodies and the mind aren't really capable of dealing with that kind of power and so when exposed to it the body just kind of morphs malignantly resulting in a terrifying corprus abomination. But as can be seen the power does have some benefits to the body, making it immune to disease and aging.
Where the main purpose of Dagoth's Heart exposure is seen is with his followers, Dagoth shares the power of the Heart with all, but those who follow him, who see his dream and connect their-selves to him don't experience the malignant effects of corprus, rather they are molded and transformed through Dagoth's own vision. Corprus makes of the flesh a magickal mutable substance, people can't handle this and so turn into mutant freaks, but Dagoth Ur knows how to control and to use it to the benefit (really his benefit) of his followers. You understand?
>Did a Dragonbreak happen when Nerevar was murdered
Not when he was murdered but when Anumidum was activated. Which engulfed the whole War of the First Council period, and seemingly ends with the apotheosis of the Tribunal and eruption of Red Mountain.
>why a lot of things like portals aren't available in game
Portals always struck me as kind of weird in Morrowind. Not that they exist (they've existed since Arena) but that they are so inexpensive to use. There seems to be no downside, it doesn't make sense why everyone wouldn't just travel by portal.

You should read about Russell's teapot

i have, except that's not the best comparison given the history of pelinal and his writer

That part was removed, it's not official and can't be used as an argument

it can be, because no official statement has been made. there's more evidence to suggest he's gay than he's not. we can do this all day, buster

>there's more evidence to suggest he's gay than he's not. we can do this all day, buster
That's the point, you can't say he's gay.

Pelinal was not gay, he was whatever the ancient greeks and romans were. You were manly as long as you are the one sticking your dick into a hole, doesn't matter the hole.

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he was a robot he didn't have a dick and the only feeling he was capable of was rage

he was a cyborg, not a robot. he shoved his meat stick into boiholes

So if you follow Dagoth Ur you don't get fucked, got it.

>Which engulfed the whole War of the First Council period
Makes sense, it was just that there were multiple versions of what happened to Nerevar and who was responsible

He was not a robot, he just had a very futuristic armor for the period he was

nah he was a cyborg, he had a glowing light in his chest cavity and a blaster canon for a hand

Kirkbride uses the phrase "collective swarm-foam" so I think the correct answer is pic.

re: magic
Morrowind has its own gods and it own rules to an extent. For example, Almalexia doesn't allow levitation in Mournhold, while Vvardenfell is Vivec's domain and he's an anything goes kind of guy. (This is mostly a lampshading of engine limitations but I like it.) The events of Oblivion have a lot to do with the absence of teleportation, and by Skyrim's time a lot of lore has also been supressed or just lost. That's my take.

The Blight drives its victims insane, they are part of Dagoth's un-dream now so to them it seems like advancing stages of ascension.

Regarding events at Red Mountain, there are several in-game sources and encountering them and drawing your own conclusions is part of the story. If you've just started playing, it wouldn't seem fair to tell you what I think.

if it was the company that said he was gay and kirkbride said he wasn't? would all you then defend the notion that pelinal was gay because it's canon?

Corprus is his flesh. By warping others into flesh monsters they become part of his body and share his dreams. He wants to be inside everyone and recreate the Sixth House. The blessing is that they become ageless and immune to disease and share the mind of a god but only the best get to be cool monsters, most just end up as zombies.

>The events of Oblivion have a lot to do with the absence of teleportation
Why there is no Teleportation magic in Oblivion?

>So if you follow Dagoth Ur you don't get fucked, got it
You still get fucked, losing your mind and individuality in Dagoth's whole apparatus. You just don't turn into pic related.

You still play it?

>impling there is even such a thing as canon

What's the deal with magic casting in the world of TES, for the purpose of a tabletop game? The games don't really feature any chanting, and the somatic component is not very involved. Would a Pahmar Khajiit be capable of learning schools of magic like Mysticism, Alteration, and Destruction? They're capable of speech, at least according to UESP, but have paws instead of hands. Alfiq are just housecats though, and they are apparently capable of using magic. Someone enlighten me pls!

You need hands to cast spells

>what is fast travel

It's about mental focus and imagination. Hence why intelligence and willpower are associated with magic.

why do you necessarily need hands though
is making arcane gestures that important?

holy shit thank you I've been looking for this

My guess is he is basing that statement on this particular instance.
Though I wouldn't say that it's proof you need hands to use spells, more that magicka is focused through the body.
If I had to guess, hands are likely important in the focused release of magicka but it seems rather doubtful to me that they are literally required for use of spells, as magicka is something that innately exists in all things.

Just D&D nerds imposing casting components onto Elder Scrolls

I listened to it all, thanks user.

I was actually reading a pretty good fanfic a while back where Huna was an Aylied woman. It's pretty unlikely, I know, but I also kinda sorta like the idea. Can't find it unfortunately. Sue me.

>Can't find it unfortunately. Sue me.
Don't stress yourself, I wouldn't want to read it anyway.

>more evidence
Evidence that is non-canon.

What does that make the translation of Calcelmo's Stone that Kurt posted? It's not in-game. We should disregard it, even if it was what he intended the in-game meaning to be?

>people here don't know that pelinal is a gay genocidal android from the future
Newfags stop ruining my safe space

Information that simply hasn't been added and information that was outright removed are two different things.
That said I still wouldn't consider it explicitly canon.

>Dagoth gUrl
Didn't know I wanted this

>The reason it was changed was a simple matter of keeping his sexuality ambiguous. Since the player was donning Pelinal's armor, completing a mission that he could not, in a sense becoming him, being so blunt about Pelinal's sexuality was too... definitive (?) in relation to the PC's own. Given the open nature of TES PCs, I felt that it was fine to keep it open to interpretation.

The author's intention is the author's intention. Bethesda never comes into play here. It wasn't removed because it wasn't true.

What about Dagoth-Urgers?

>ywn be invited to one of Almalexia's world renowned bukkake parties
this life...

Would you be interested in sharing with the class?

update World Eater Beater

Hey, they cosplay is way better than that other one. Neat.

Will it to being by tricking the ‘false reality’ into thinking that you can.

That's even more in favor of it not being a thing because he's outright saying he prefers it ambiguous.

incantations are required, as per en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Silence_(book)

>why do you necessarily need hands though
>is making arcane gestures that important?
Have you played any TES game?

>Almalexia's world renowned bukkake parties
don't stick your dick in crazy

Which other one?

This one.

Ah man I loved that story

>no yellow skin
>no knife ears
Really bad cosplay

Don't you know user, lore talk that's almost exclusively from non-canon sources and conjecture pulled from my ass is ok as long as its not about gays, cause that makes me insecure.

For her, it would be worth it.

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>posts the guy who abandoned her after she went crazy

>haven't played Oblivion in years
>get the urge to replay it
>buy it on sale on Steam
>originally played it on console so figure I'd try modding it
>spend more time trying to fix it than playing it
I didn't have this much trouble modding Morrowind or Skyrim. Why is Oblivion so difficult? I just want to play in a jungle-y Cyrodiil before it got TIBER'D.

I think you mean
>posts the guy who stuck his dick in crazy

>I am afraid... I may have allowed him to come too close. It is impossible that a mortal and a god might meet on equal ground, but... perhaps he had deluded himself

>Almalexia cucked Nerevar
Reason enough to kill her Tbh

Well, I mean.. He was dead.
She also became Vivec's lover.

>He was dead
Yeah, she killed him and Azura said he would come back

>yellow
Golden.

Vivec's one half black and one half gold is inspired by the Heruka one half demon and one half buddha thing.

>I just want to play in a jungle-y Cyrodiil before it got TIBER'D.
Is there an actual good comprehensive mod for this?

that's bullshit. the author can say anything they want after the fact but if the text doesn't support it it's no more true than anyone else's interpretation or opinion.

>Makes sense, it was just that there were multiple versions of what happened to Nerevar and who was responsible
Any narration of historical events is going to be unreliable. The Temple wanted to suppress the truth because it wasn't pretty; Dagoth Ur viewed it another way because he was on the receiving end and proceeded to spend centuries scheming vengeance; the Ashlanders had historical records passed down through the generations, definitely of dubious accuracy. All of that is a lot more interesting and substantial and real than just handwaving it all away by saying it's a dragonbreak and I'm glad Kirkbride and the other writers didn't go that route.

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are you attempting to imply that my disagreement on this is centered on pelinal being gay and not on the notion of authorial intent? because i like the idea of him boning dudes in classical greek hero fashion. it's people championing out-of-source ideas as canon i don't like. because that's not how it works.

no

It would be really nice and relaxing if it wasn't for the fucking wind. Just like fucking Morrowind.