/SWG/ - Walker Diversity Edition

Is this game fun? I can get pic related at a reasonable price and I heard that SW Miniatures was a good skirmish system

The Canon New Republic didn't even have as epic an end as the one in Legends.

Instead it got the "We're gonna blast you with a cheap idea from the past" ending.

What was the point of her?

To continue promoting the idea that every military commander seen in the films is incompotent and to show that the idiocy of Post Endor has transcended faction lines to become as potent as the Force itself?

Oh good, a nice fire to sit beside while I watch TCW and play Stellaris.

To introduce a big name actor?
She's like Phasma but for the Rebels, I guess.

Poe needed a stronk womyn to teach him the evils of mansplaining.

Disney wanted to please weeaboos - sailor moon commiting a sudoku by crashing her ship like japanese tsunami pilots was baka as fuck

>Not giving your full attention to TCW
You'll miss something, man. It's worth your attention.
>Not giving your full attention to Stellaris
But all the suboptimal play, user! Your Empire needs you!

To sell toys.

Same thing with the point of the ending sequence in TLJ.

Stop responding to obvious bait, you stupid faggots.

To alienate the best soldiers in the Resistance to the point that they mutiny and then commit suicide by crashing the last capital ship in the Resistance fleet, while not actually destroying the First Order flagship.

If Snoke himself had personally infiltrated the Resistance, he couldn't have fucked them over more.

>Optimal play in Stellaris requires your full attention
Yeah maybe in another two years it might

To make poe dameron look bad. Seriously, they were talking about it in some interview.
it went like, "in the original trilogy we had men jump the gun and do what they liked, and this somehow solved everything. We wanted to subvert that by making Poe do all these things like in the original trilogy, but ultimately fail because pragmatism and foresight win wars."
Something like that, anyway.

That's actually reasonable

But literally if she had just said, Leia has a plan, trust Leia, everything would have been fine. Hell, Ackbar doing this would have worked better, hes a military guy who takes no back-talk, so would have clashed more realistically with Poe, while not alienating the audience...

>We wanted to subvert that by making Poe do all these things like in the original trilogy, but ultimately fail because pragmatism and foresight win wars
The irony between this intent and what I saw onscreen is stunning.

>but ultimately fail because pragmatism and foresight win wars.

You mean all the stuff the New Republic and Resistance lacks as a whole?

>Ackbar doing this would have worked better
But user, having space aliens would promote diversity. We all know that the sequels seek to eradicate aliens in the name of human master race.

Pretty ironic then that Holdo didn't have the pragmatism or foresight to prevent a coup or her super-secret plan which she may or may not have had all along or to kamikaze prior to losing 5/6 of the resistance

I just shuffle everything into sectors and let the AI do the whipping for me.

*or her super-secret plan from leaking

So, I'm playing Republic at war as the CIS. I've got Malevolence, I've taken a good chunk of the Republic including Coruscant and the only major shipyards they have left are Rendili, Duro, Kuat and Fondor. They're building Pride of the Core (The Mandator) should I let them build it just to see if I can beat it or should I abort it by taking Kuat?

I mean, the only reason to stat Vader is so that sufficiently advanced PC can take him down, which is fair enough. I just think that "sufficiently advanced" should describe a group of 1k+ XP characters, with more specializations under their belts than they can count on one hand, some really nice equipment and connections, and stats that push the boundary of what their species is capable of.

Here's how I would stat Vader:

Brawn: 8 (Dude was always strong, and then he got literally every limb replaced with even stronger limbs)
Agility: 4 (Used to be higher, but he lost quite a bit when he became Crispy Sithy)
Intellect: 4 (He's not a genius, but he's got a natural aptitude for mechanical things and he's been around long enough to have picked up decent knowledge about the galaxy)
Cunning: 4 (Mostly left over from Anakin's pool of experience. Still, he'd have a decently high Perception)
Willpower: 7 (It's Darth fucking Vader.)
Presence: 6 (Vader is short on Charm and arguably negotiation, but he's still a fantastic leader and his Cool is so high he literally can't be panicked in Legion)
Skills of note:
Lightsaber 6 (linked to Brawn)
Piloting 5 (ground and space)
Coercion 6
Knowledge: Warfare 5
Mechanics 5

Talents:
Basically all the lightsaber specs
All the piloting ones too
Throw in a mechanical one for good measure
And a few that gives you some command talents, I guess

Force Rating: 8

Force Powers: Full Move, Bind, Seek, and Sense. Maybe a bit of Foresee, and enough Enhance to add it to his Piloting and Brawn checks.

The thing with Vader is that he's just as powerful as the plot needs him to be, so he's better left unstatted and potentially defeated by narrative.
If you go in trying to just punch him to death or out-duel him, you're going to lose if he's determined to kill you. If you try and use grenades or explosives, he's going to throw them back or shield himself from them somehow no matter what the rules say. If you drop a building on him, it might slow him down or he might disappear in dust only to be seen as it clears holding the building up with the force and the Imperial March kicks in as he walks toward the party. If your Jedi nobly sacrifices themselves fighting Vader to let the party escape, they're going to be able to hold him off JUST long enough for them to see Vader emerge alone as they make their get away.

Vader, or any major movie character in a game, should be a plot device, and treated as such. He doesn't need to roll, he does what he wants, possibly influenced by how well the players roll.

Who even likes Holdo unironically? I thought Tumblr would be all over her, but most of the posts I've seen are ones condemning her character as racist for undermining a latino man, a black man, and an asian women. The rest are ones shipping her with Leia, for some reason.

Thoughts on this list? I'm hoping i can use it as the mythical ghostbuster at an upcoming system open.

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Asajj has engine to hase down targets, lone wolf for mods, asajj can stress it to negate maul. If i can keep range 1, it can actually straight up with the damage race. On the initial engage, I can tractor Fenn to ensure the TLT's eat him.

The two y-wings are there to help with the other matchups, and keep all games on a clock.

I think it's said Holdo might swing in the direction of the same gender or doesn't like men at any rate:

> '"A pair of pretty dark eyes.' Then Amilyn thought about that for a moment. 'Or more than a pair, if you're into Grans. Or Aqualish, or Talz. Or even - ' 'That's all right!' Leia said through laughter. 'It's just humanoid males for me.' 'Really? That feels so limiting.' 'Thank goodness it's a big galaxy.'"

>Force Rating: 8

This fits in pretty well with how I view Force ratings.

FR 1: Just discovered their sensitivity, struggles to perform even the most basic feats with the Force.
FR 2 :Padawan level. Able to perform simple feats (most of the time) but anything complex or impressive is generally out of their reach unless they're drawing on the Dark Side
FR 3: Experienced Padawan/young Jedi Knight. Capable when it comes to the basics, and can pull off an impressive feat on occasion.
FR 4: Experienced Jedi Knight. Almost never fails to get a power off when they're trying at this point, and can reliably do some flashy things with their powers.
FR 5: Jedi Master. Pretty much never fails to get a power off, and flashy isn't hard for them to accomplish.
FR 6: Council Master. The 1% of Force Users. Even other Force Users are impressed with the shit they can pull.
FR 7: Legendary Jedi, the peak of their peers. Obi Wan would be a prime example.
FR 8: The Chosen one, minus a few limbs worth of Force potential.
FR 9: the Mystics, the ones that come once every 1000 years. In the case of Yoda, because that's just his normal lifespan. In the case of Palpatine, because he's so naturally inclined to the Dark Side that he practically becomes its embodiment.

So we know Anakin should be bellow FR 5, gotcha.

>If you go in trying to just punch him to death or out-duel him, you're going to lose if he's determined to kill you.

I disagree, emphatically. Part of being a player character is having boundless potential, both in terms of character stat progression and in terms of the effect they can have on the universe. If a character is legitimately powerful enough to challenge Vader, they should be allowed to do so. If you want Vader to be unlikely to ever be able to be challenged in that way, you stat him to be at a level where most characters won't be able to do so. You don't just fiat it so that they can never challenge him, that's bullshit.

honestly given what he was statted as in the book I feel like he's already at that level. dude basically shits red dice onto your every action against him, including the check not to piss your pants in fear as soon as you hear his breathing.

>rimshot

I see your meme and raise you one of my own.

>CHOSEN ONE
>Noted for yoda level potential in the force
>moreover, this is vader who has been honed by sheevy P into a lethal weapon.
>FR 5

And I disagree with you, though I understand your position.
If you're in a pre-existing universe that already has it's heroes and villains, you shouldn't be able to exceed them in power if they're considered to be some of the most powerful characters, like Luke or Vader.
If you want that though, that's fine - so you assign him stats and have your characters be able to beat him. But it's something YOU decide, rather than giving him actual official statistics so I now know our martial arts Trandoshan can literally punch Vader to death.

already displays how it doesn't take all that much to shut Vader down, and those characters aren't even past 1k xp yet.

Easy on, dude was making a joke about Anakin not getting made a muthafuc- sorry, a Jedi Master.

>not immediately recognizing a prequel meme when you see one

I am aware, but the text was the operative part of the post

The image was still chuckle worthy

What "jumping the gun" are they fucking talking about? And Han and Lando don't count they weren't military.

>the text

Also part of the joke. If FR 5 is called "Jedi Master", and Anakin isn't a Jedi Master, the by Prequel Meme logic he can't be higher than FR 5. You're reading too into this, mate.

>Anakin is supposedly enormously well connected to the force, more so than yoda and implied to be more so than sidious
>Can't muster a force push more powerful than Obi Wan
????

>already displays how it doesn't take all that much to shut Vader down, and those characters aren't even past 1k xp yet.

That doesn't really take into account the sheer amount of shit that he dumps onto you before he even uses any abilities, though. The build is capable of taking him out *if it hits*, but even getting to hit Vader at all is gated behind a lot of shit.

So hear me out, but thinking about it, I can't quite shake it,

Is The Last Jedi an overall misogynistic film?

Because women get absolutely boned in this. There's eight female characters with dialogue (I think it's eight) and of those Rey is the only one not screwed over.

1) Paige Tico dies after barely pulling off the bombing run
2) Tallie (Blue Leader) dies straight afterwards
3) General Leia, one of the stars, is knocked unconscious for 90 minutes (two whole acts of the film)
4) Commander D'Acy is just a background character, doesn't affect the film in any way
5) Vice-Admiral Holdo has doubt thrown on her immediately (for good reason, sure, but still), led to a coup being attempted against her and dies suicide running her ship after losing six ships resulting in most of the resistance being wiped out
6) Rose Tico who ultimately ends up doing more harm to the resistance than help. Actually you could argue that she doesn't succeed in help the resistance at all on screen. Everything she does or is apart of ends in failure.
7) Captain Phasma dies 14 seconds into her fight, accomplishing nothing. Record time.
8) Rey of course does both affect the plot and accomplishes her goals with out being made to either look incompetent or die doing so.

But of the eight:
6/8 fail at what they do without redeeming their failure
4/8 are killed
2/4 killed are done without accomplishment and the other 2/4 die sacrificing themselves with this one sacrifice being their only contribution.
Meanwhile of the eight male characters with dialogue (nine if you include Yoda) three die and all but two accomplish something.

If it wasn't for Rey then yeah. But even with Rey I can't be sure it's not. It's definitely not woman positive though. Rian really isn't a good male ally

I'll ask you a counter-question:

Who cares?

Take this shit to Reddit, or Tumblr, or even /tv/,

This is a spicy new take, take it over to Tumblr and report to /tvsw/ on the result

So... what you're saying is... the misogynists are the ones who shill for TLJ?

Oh that's spicy

>It's definitely not woman positive though. Rian really isn't a good male ally
This is thr wrong board for it, but that's good pasta. But this is the wrong board

>If you're in a pre-existing universe that already has it's heroes and villains, you shouldn't be able to exceed them in power

That exact type of thinking is what kept me from doing ANY RPGs in Star Wars for a very, very long time. Because ultimately in any campaign, it's a story about the player characters and the impact they have on the universe. If you go into the game with the mentality that there are hard and fast limits on what those characters can and cannot do because the story of that universe is already "told," you've already set limits that bound and hamper the story. It took me realizing that ANY universe you run a game in that has an established canon is, by definition, noncanon in your game because your characters don't exist in canon. WHich means it's pointless to slavishly adhere to to the storyline, because the storyline is fundamentally altered by the mere presence of the players in that universe.

Alright I will then.

Hard work beats raw talent when raw talent doesn't work hard.

I mean now that you mention it, it is a bit weird how many characters (not just women) have to sacrifice themselves to accomplish things. Like thinking it over, it's a bit much

Except the guy already explained how they can literally autokill entire hordes of minions. And it's not hard to build up the Discipline needed to pass that fear check. Also, 4 upgrades doesn't mean shit when you're throwing 5+ yellows around.

She isn't, though. She's
>that lady that Jurassic Park... and I think Twister?

It's potential, not current power. Palpatine even says to Yoda that Skywalker will become more powerful than either of them.

He's got the bandwidth, but not the connection speeds, essentially.

It was really awkward watching that lady from Rambling Rose that I beat off to in my childhood suddenly appear in Star Wars.

There's a difference between having non-canon stuff in your game (which is your entire game), or even alt-history type stuff like "what if the Empire won", and straight up going "Yeah this person is more powerful with the force than Grand Master Luke". The latter feels like you're upstaging the universe somehow, like it's upsetting some core part of the setting in a way.
It's a purely emotional reaction and I'm well aware of it, and several people (including one of my players) disagree with the view I have, which is totally fine and I'd never say that it's definitively the right one because it's very personal, but that remains my view nonetheless.

It's an accurate portrayal of women in leadership positions.

>Except the guy already explained how they can literally autokill entire hordes of minions.
Minions are designed to be autokilled, so...

>And it's not hard to build up the Discipline needed to pass that fear check. Also, 4 upgrades doesn't mean shit when you're throwing 5+ yellows around.
It does when the opposing check already has a lot of purple dice to directly turn into reds, though.

I'm also willing to bet said character has piss-poor Willpower due to focus on direct murder.

>The latter feels like you're upstaging the universe somehow, like it's upsetting some core part of the setting in a way.

If they were made as a character to be that powerful from creation, then sure. But if they earned the power legitimately over time like Luke did, there's no reason they shouldn't be able to be.

What does it have a lot of purple dice from? I mean, maybe if they were trying to snipe Vader from half a continent away, but at Medium or so, the worst they have to content with it three reds.

900 xp *is* a pretty long-running thing and a big fuckin' deal, admittedly, yeah.

To expand on this: he has Adversary 4 and (I assume) all the Sense upgrades, which means if he commits one of his six force dice then he adds 6 upgrades to the difficulty of any incoming attacks. So a lightsaber/melee/brawl check will be rolling 4 red and a black to hit, and any ranged attacks will be rolling a minimum of 3 red 1 purple 1 black at short range.

That's going to lead to a bunch of threats and despair even if you manage to hit. Also, he has pretty good initiative rolls and 5 other force dice to choke people with bind, which ignores soak and causes automatic crits with a significant bonus to the crit roll.

Also, keep in mind that FFG generally suggests to give extra initiative slots to any Nemesis character that’s intended to take on a whole party at once, which would obviously apply to papa V. Really, my only real quibble is the low Discipline, anemic Strain and Wound thresholds, and low ranks of Parry and Reflect (also the lack of Shien talents that one would think Anakin/Vader should have); bump those up and it should be a perfectly serviceable statline to pull a “Vaders fall, everyone dies.”

I would assume he has the ability to add further difficulty via his force powers. the ones given in the snippet were apparently just a handful of the bullshit he's got.

At 1k+, most characters are able to be very proficient and both murder and another area. I mean, getting their discipline to 5 is 100 XP, 75 if it's a career skill. It's less than 1/10 their total XP. And even with a base Willpower of 2, that's 2 yellow and 3 greens. Against 4 red dice, that's even odds of success. And that's without factoring in leadership buffs, force powers, and player force users with high Willpower scores of their own. Shit, a Niman PC is probably going to rock up with 5 yellows and 1 green.

Again, you guys are thinking from the perspective of PCs that are sub-500 XP.

HA! That's not even uncharitable. I guess that's what using the first draft gets you

So, do any of these force powers work differently than normal?

Also no, I will not scan the rest

I'm the guy who had 1500 XP chars running around. They're still not at the level Luke is at, specifically because I placed his power level high enough to actually make him matter.

I did it that ways because it was better than just waving my hand and saying "you'll never beat him because fuck you" or statting him really low and having them surpass him easily.

Actually she's got I believe 3/4 Willpower and a decent amount of Discipline, I don't have the sheets to hand.
Presence and Cunning were her dump stats to go full murder, she can't talk for shit and relies on others for the sneaky stuff.

I certainly think that it's okay to have different styles of campaigns that treat the existing material with different levels of reverence. I used what I call "The Bespin Scale" for my players last campaign. Basically, I list

Darth Vader (One of the most critical figures in the setting)
Han Solo (One of the OT's main cast, but less important to the goings on of the galaxy at large)
Lando Calrissian (About as important to the galaxy as above, but less screentime)
Lobot (Not even named in the movies, but likely to be remembered)
Wilrow Hood (Rando that somehow got detailed in the EU)

And ask my players if they would be willing to See (as in observe but not interact) Meet, or kill any of the above. Their answers told me a lot about how they expect existing canon to be treated.

>Also no, I will not scan the rest

Fuck you I'm already scribing this shit down for the character generator

Huh, okay then.

...

I could season my food by rubbing you on it.

In all seriousness, is that force choke ability good or not?

>4 red and 1 black to hit
Oh no? If I'm a force users with 1K xp in a duel with Vader, I'm throwing 5 yellow, 1 green as a base, then upgrading my attack with Sense to get 6 yellow, 1 green. I probably have 4 or so force dice, 2 committing for Sense Attack and Defense, so I'll use the remaining 2 on Hawk Bat Swoop or whatever my Force Talent that lets me add my FR to the roll is.

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You're looking at 77% odds of success, with a significantly larger potential to get a Triumph than a Despair. You're also much more likely to get Advantage over Threat, meaning you're going to be Linking your attack or critting like a motherfucker.

And that's just ONE player. Multiple that by four, and Vader is FUCKED.

>And that's just ONE player. Multiple that by four, and Vader is FUCKED.
Not as much with full upgrades and multiple initiative slots for Vader though. At best, you're looking at a party that's a fair fight for him. Which, at that much XP? I'm fine with.

Vader gets multiple initiative slots, that doesn't matter if 3 of my 5 guys go before him, 2 of whom are capable of taking him and one of whom could probably one shot him. You're playing rocket tag and knowing my luck players will go first, and even if they don't: can Vader one shot the biggest threats in the room, because if not I can practically guarantee they'll bring him down that round barring some real RNGesus shenanigans.

It's a gimp version of Bind. Essentially, Vader has the base power and the Mastery, but none of the upgrades that link the base skill TO the mastery. A player that took that tree would be able to do one of three things (or more if they spent more XP):

-Disorient the target for three turns per force point spent and commit three Force die to sustain the effects (damage and immobilization)
-Spend 2 force points to affect 3 additional targets on the same roll
-Have MASSIVE range and the ability to move the target a range band without having to use the Move power.

Essentially, Vader is WEAKER than a comparable PC when it comes to Force Choke.

Be careful not to...choke...on your ambitions, user.

Yeah, he should have all of them really. Fortunately the sidebar notes that the statline isn't comprehensive.

1k PCs should not have an even odds of downing Vader. Shit, I'd be leery of that with my 1.5k guys. When we get to 2k, then I'd want it to be a fair fight.

Aspirations, ASPIRATIONS YOU FUCK
IT'S A DOUBLE ENTENDRE YOU MASSIVE FAGGOT

What are you going to choke me with? Your amazing 40 XP worth of Force choke powers?

Sidebar.

>1k PCs should not have an even odds of downing Vader

I'm fine with an entire party having even odds. It's a single PC that should have to wait longer.

Who’s more faggy, the fag or the fag who follows him?