Skaven

>The Skaven are known as the most vile and loathsome race in Warhammer.
>They've literally unable to feel or understand love, empathy, or loyalty, even for each other.
>Or so the legends say.
>When the Under-Empire finally reveals itself to the world, it's obvious that someone got something wrong.
>The Skaven, instead of a being a scourge, are more akin to bipedal pet rats.
>Cutesy in appearance and manner, the Skaven want to be a part of the surface world in a way that is totally non malicious.
>Rather than gut you if encountered in the wild, a Skaven would instead offer you some bread and cheese from their own supply, a drink from their wineskin, and a hug. This is regardless of race of affiliation.
>Although the CAN fight, they're rather poor at it.

How does the world change when one race is altered so much?

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These skaven won't survive in hammer.

I love rats irl and love this idea but the poor souls wouldn't make it, they certainly wouldn't be the power they are in warhammer today. I could see them being corrupted in vast numbers with an underworld mirror to the empire and the north.

I recall a thread about the craziness of Bretonnian peasantry surviving the way they do and one of the theories being that some peasant communities were more demure beastmen/former skaven slaves and really liked the idea of an extreme minority of good/not entirely malicious Skaven.

Problem; they're stll living around warpstone. So even if they are cutesy and nice, they won't stay that way around that much pure chaos rock.

I miss my pet rats.

However It annoys me people don't look to fancy rat variations for painting inspiration.

I want blue berkshire ratfolk. I'd blow raspberries on that tummy all day.

>Yes-Yes. We skaven do only good-good. give us all your excess crop harvest and hand over all your metal-things to us now.

More seriously if in a fake-warhammer world where the Skaven are innately good alighted creatures i’d expect them to pretty much be the most dominant race in the setting (to an even greater degree then they were OTL) they’d absolutly have surface colonies all over the world as well as their underground territory and i’d expect that just from them not being neurotic aggressor they’ll enable the elves and lizardmen to actually patch up all the world’s problems while the Skaven redwall/hobbiton it up across/under the world. Dorfs would still autisticly attack the Skaven over stupid reasons. I’d think that the Skaven would actually have excellent(by WH standards)relations with the human factions and that it’s quite possible that they could actually end up with some cases of inter-racial populations.
Why exactly would they choose to live around Warpstone, user?

Because it's everywhere, mang. All you need is for them to hit a seam and the old Skaven are back.

Without the vile aggression of the evil dickbag skaven they'd all probably be killed by goblins.

Makes me think of the Shadow of Yesterday, that had very friendly ratfolk. It also had solipsistic elves who were such dickbags because they genuinely believed that everyone else literally weren't real people. Shadow of Yesterday had some fun ideas.

>peasants are actually just beastmen/skaven
>Bret nobility can’t tell the difference because they assume all peasants are deformed sub-humans anyway

>Not just putting the Skaven through the beautiful ones social experiment
>Doesn't realize Skaven are dicks because everyone else lets off psychic emissions of the collective of the negative perspective of vermin into the warp
When all the Man-things are dead, then we get to be sexy.

stop these cringy threads you furfag, skaven are supposed to be revolting.

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The thread in question.

Them not being their canon psychotic asshole selves is not the same as them being literally defenceless aggainst anyone who decides to threaten them. One supermassive (mostly) underground redwallish society with the occasional piece of insano-tech is what they’d inevitably turn into after so many years of being surrounded by assholes.

The Black Arks hauled them back as a renewable supply of slave labor and Khaine sacrifice. Naggaroth gains a rat shit smell

>Skaven are peace loving rat folk
>how does this change the setting

Nagash won a long time ago because the fel blade never severed his hand and interupted his great ritual.

Peace loving rats would still be a giant menace.

They eat everything in sight, leave toxic droppings, and spread disease. The fact that they are cute and chill doesn't change that rats and humans occupy the same ecological niche and only one can survive. For all of them we kill with sword and fire, they'd kill as many of us with famine and plague.

>The goody two shoes rats do literally nothing in the face of a full on necromancer armegeddon.
>Implying the Slann and to a lesser extent the Elves didn’t totally foresee the battle of cripple peak ending the way it did and allowed it to transpire as it did instead of stepping in with a ridiculous counterspell.

Nagash still loses that battle.

Sure...

They are the most feared cuddly race in all of Warhammer.

All ratfolk are cute.

This is fact.

Skaven are not rat people. They are a mockery of humanity given rodent form. The changes you described would make them skaven only in name, and at that point why bother having it set in warhammer?

Are Skaven the only interesting thing about Warhammer Fantasy? Genuinely curious, I never hear anyone talk about WHF except for WHFRPG 2E and the Skaven.
Or is it just a resurgence of interest because of Vermintide 2?

>nice skaven form businesses where u can give small sums of money to pet giant fuzzy cuddle rats
10/10 would headpat

Both WHF and AoS have generals. And Warhammer elves come up in elves threads quite often (except wood elves, those are shit)

Bizarro Warhammer Skaven are kinda close to this: sun worshiping rats that long to return to the surface. Are friendly and welcoming, unless you're a chaos worshiping chump.

Skaven are arguable the most unique thing the fantasy side of Warhammer created. And Veeky Forums is closet furry so there's that.

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Skaven are one of the few parts of warhammer that are (arguably) wholly unique to it, and they are an omnipresent force in the setting. People like 'em because of that.

That said, I think they're boring as fuck and one of the weaker parts of warhammer.

Kruber...
Get the stake

>this whole thread
>CLOSET furry
It's not a closet anymore, it crumbled under OP's raging erection.

>Skaven are arguable the most unique thing the fantasy side of Warhammer created.
Not a chance. They're a cheap way to creste a new chaos faction but they fucked that up. Then the closet furry writers and spergs latched onto them and wrote them off as an edgy "every other faction but better" race.

The actual most original ideas are usually reinventing the original fantasy tropes or those rapist midget cyclopses that nobody likes.

>I miss my pet rats.
man me too

Warhammer did a lot of unique interesting races back in the day, but the skaven are the only race thats remained to ingrained in the warhammer ascetic no one else could steal it. As a result they're still fresh and original after all these years.

>saturday morning villian of warhammer universe
>every other faction but better

Can you show us where the Hellpit Abomination touched you?

I have exactly the same problem with them as with Chaos in 40k. They're fun as incompetent retards, forever crippled by their stupidity and back stabbing, while bringing some fun toys to play.
They get boring the very moment they start accomplishing anything. Then it's just lol Skaven/Chaos stomped everything no effort, enjoy reading how strong, unstoppable and awesome they are.

You don't want to play Skaven.

You hate Skaven.

And they would all have beautiful golden fur and pure eyes, fart rainbows and befriend unicorns, everyone would want to pet them and tell them how amazing they are, they would be the bestest at everything, but still be endearingly clumsy and silly in cute way...

My favorite part of that is one time when I read about their "alliance" with other chaos cults. now its expected that when its over they're gonna chaos eachother but what fucking infuriates me is that the shitty cunt of a writer barely wrote anything about the chaos doing anything and in the end, the skaven completely floored both nurgle and khornites and outbackstabbed tzeentchs.