Rape in games

I've never, and never plan to use rape in a game, and I've never seen it used well, but I still kind of like the idea of it. I feel like there has to be some interesting characterization you could get out of it if there was something you wanted to roleplay, but I've just never seen it happen.

A character that's fully fleshed out but still terrified or hateful of the opposite sex. A grudge against someone that hooks a character into a story. A way to justify a certain attitude towards sex that might not fit their culture in the setting. Maybe even just a footnote as part of a larger story to create some space to use later.

Mostly though, it just appears to be a fetish thing.

Yeah. After we lost to the villain, in the follow-up campaign, my Rogue (who was possessed) was kept around as his mistress. The one who actually got raped was the party leader's NPC love interest, and she had a son with the villain.

It works on party bullies.

In theory, yes.
In practice, no.

>Can it be used and not ruin a game?
>Can it be part of a backstory without the character being a one-dimensional murder hobo?
Yeah, so long as it's treated as a serious and traumatic thing.

>Ever used it in your game? How did it affect the game/your players?
Yeah, I had an NPC who the PCs really liked get raped and killed by Slaanesh cultists. The PCs arrived just too late to stop it and she died in their arms. It worked well as a heroic BSOD moment. That being said, while I trust my group to handle shit like that maturely, it doesn't work well with every group, so get a feel for your player's maturity levels and figure out what they're comfortable with before springing it on them.

Try female on male rape, no one will object to that.

If someone wants to make a rapist pc, or the GM presents rapists as anything other than a massive glowing sign that someone needs to die, wash your hands of that mess.

The last GM that mentioned "brute and perverse offenses against women and children" didn't play it to be erotic, he meant it as a clear sign this fucker was to be terminated with extreme prejudice.

For every alignment, I can think of a reason NOT to make a rapist.

Lawful-Good: Pure evil act.

Neutral-Good: Ditto

Chaotic-Good: Ditto

Lawful-Neutral: Aside from grossly immoral, demonstrates gross lack of control.

True Neutral: Grossly evil and carries a horrible reputation.

Chaotic Neutral: I'mma too busy teaching kobolds Dwarven insults!

Lawful-Evil: Demonstrates a lack of control and subtlety.

Neutral-Evil: Better ways to serve my own interests.

Chaotic-Evil: Rape? How passe. Let's give wands that squirt water to children, have them fire off like 50 harmless charges, then every ten squirts they shoot acid. Have the local temple organize a nice harmless water fight and watch the fun!

What the fuck is wrong with you?

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Yes, but tell the players beforehand. "This is going to be a dark campaign. Expect Game of Thrones-tier stuff."

There, you're covered. It feels weirdly inauthentic if villains do everything EXCEPT rape. Also, female captives as the spoils of war (or gangrape via monstrous humanoids, like in Goblin Slayer) is classic.

>I honestly don’t think anyone past high school age would be immature enough to ruin anything

>Can it be used and not ruin a game?
Yes
>Can it be part of a backstory without the character being a one-dimensional murder hobo?
Yes
>Ever used it in your game?
No.

Don't be a pathetic "rape is literally the worst thing ever, I'm so triggered" faggot.

When a musclegirl from a tribe with a male shortage and a defenseless shota from the city love eachother very much...

>>Can it be used and not ruin a game?
>Yes
>>Can it be part of a backstory without the character being a one-dimensional murder hobo?
>Yes
>>Ever used it in your game?
>No.

Agreed; having said that I wouldn't trust a lot of players or DMs to actually handle it well, and honestly I wouldn't want to deal with it myself, there are other ways to inject drama

I would not trust any player I've ever encountered to do justice to a backstory or plotline that involved rape.

>Ever used it in your game? How did it affect the game/your players?
I play a serious game where we're all part of the ERP crowd so that kind of stuff is acceptable to pull, even though it's not used willy-nilly because, of course, of the tremendous impacts on character development (especially in lewder contexts, since PCs mingling happens as well).

My young warlock boy got non-consensually and violently /ss/'d by his female devil patron, somewhere near the beginning of the game, and in my opinion it rather positively influenced the party chemistry and the game as a whole.

Party members who didn't take his plight seriously and dismissed his fear of his Patron as whininess were forced to become a bit more protective ; actions were starting to be taken to make sure this wouldn't become a regular occurrence, like trying to seriously find means of exorcism or protection. It had the positive effect of creating bonding among the party, and the negative side-effect of making my character rather emotionally dependent and more brattish, due to the coddling he receives and the hatred he feels. Also, he's now deathly scared of baths, since he was raped in a bathtub.

tl;dr rape, in the correct type of games, can work well for character development, if it's approached with tact and realism

yeah, one of my players raped another player with a wooden quater staff

>Can it be used and not ruin a game?
Yes. One of my favorite games involved my character getting raped after being thrown on the side of the road unconscious because he was being a bit of a dick to the rest of the party.

>Can it be part of a backstory without the character being a one-dimensional murder hobo?
Given that in any reasonable game the players are responsible for their characters actions, yes. Don't be an idiot.

>Ever used it in your game? How did it affect the game/your players?
in the above example, it resulted in my character growing up quite a bit in a short period, as well as being literally owned by the rest of the party. Unfortunately the game didn't last very long after that due to unrelated reasons, so I didn't get much chance to roleplay how it affected him.

Boys with green fever.

That sounds fucking retarded, don't try to pass off your ERP hentai shit as something reasonable in a normal game.

I don't see what's ERP about it if it all happened offscreen.

Gratuitous rape (made even more gratuitous by the fact your character was male, the baseline reaction for finding some guy on the road would be steal his equipment and possibly kill him, not gangrape his hairy ass) and gratuitous slavery (why the hell would someone become a submissive slave after being raped once?) are here absolutely out-of-place hentai tropes whose presence I find it hard to justify.

I had rape in my female character's backstory. She got over it though, and her adopted brother forgave her for raping him while she was possessed by the hag.

I take it she didn't use a studded strap-on?

You seem to be making a lot of assumptions about my character and the setting. But do whatever you need to do to make the story fit your preconceived notions of how the game went.

>Can it be used and not ruin a game?
Yes.

>Can it be part of a backstory without the character being a one-dimensional murder hobo?
Yes.

>Ever used it in your game? How did it affect the game/your players?
NPC we freed from an old Dwarf Mine was an Elf that was too weak to work in the mines as a slave so the Bad Guys used her as a sex-slave instead. We took her along as a Camp Follower out of pity when we flooded the mines. She spent most of her time being drunk and later got waifud by one of the Player-Characters. Unfortunately both died fighting the BBEG.

Found the autistic SJW-Posts.

The fact that you cannot tell the difference between reality and fiction is telling. Its not the other people that are autistic, its you.
Have you tried taking Pen&Paper less seriously from time to time?

Yes.
Yes.
One of my players did. Everything went fine afterwards.

>The fact that you cannot tell the difference between reality and fiction is telling.
Nice assumptions, retard. Just because you find something retarded and inappropriate, like rape scenarios as written by d&d nerds, doesn't mean you consider it an issue of social justice.

>Nice assumptions, retar
>said the autistic SJW making assumptions
WEW LAD

>Just because you find something retarded and inappropriate, like rape scenarios as written by d&d nerds, doesn't mean you consider it an issue of social justice.
>Murder and Torture gets a pass, Rape is "retarded and inappropriate"

Thanks for confirming my assumptions about how are an autistic person who never played Tabletop with anyone in the first place

I have yet to meet a player or DM that treated mass murder with the gravitas it deserves, but something tells me you think that's a lot less of a problem.

She died as she had lived face-down in front of a bad guy

It is a waste of time to discuss anything with people who use the expression "SJW". Their lack of empathy means they're operating from an entirely different mental basis. They're not necessarily autistic, but they are always human garbage.

Get used to it, move on.

OP pic is gross and offensive. I don’t care how edgy you think you are.

Mods need to clean up these fetish threads

>not enjoying fictional rape means swooj
and the implication that you enjoy fictional rape says some shit about you as a person and i hope you stay away from other people

>>Not enjoying fictional violence means SJW
>and the implication that you enjoy fictional violence says some shit about you as a person and I hope you stay away from other people.

Is there a difference here?

>and i hope you stay away from other people

(and die in a fire)

I don't get why torture and murder of people of all races, ages and creeds in every manner is okay but somehow rape is too far or edgy.

>She died as she had lived face-down in front of a bad guy

>I don't get why torture and murder of people of all races, ages and creeds in every manner is okay
Its not, but people tend to gloss over it or glamourise it. Not saying its a good or bad thing, its just the way it is most of the time.

Whereas rape tends to trigger (I hate that this word has been co-opted) a more instinctive response in a lot of people that makes them uncomfortable. You also sometimes have to deal with people making it a magical realm thing, which happens a lot less with plain old mass murder.

For me, rape as a concept in game just isn't worth dealing with the potential discomfort and/or drama, especially as I tend to like more light hearted games, where even darker settings like 40k are more played for black comedy.

>and the implication that you enjoy fictional rape
Where did I say that?
You sure are projecting hard, tho.

Again, it tells us quite a lot about what kind of fucked up autist you are because what you are telling us here is essentially that because YOU put in your fucked up fetishes you automatically assume that everything in someone's else's game is his fetish too.

Why are you replying to yourself?

is me and is someone else, unless you meant for the first one instead.

>Its not, but people tend to gloss over it or glamourise it. Not saying its a good or bad thing, its just the way it is most of the time.

Its okay because ym group glosses over rape too.

>Whereas rape tends to trigger (I hate that this word has been co-opted) a more instinctive response in a lot of people that makes them uncomfortable.
Because they are SJWs and are conditioned that way. If you are less triggered by violent murder than rape you are the messed up person here, buddy.

> You also sometimes have to deal with people making it a magical realm thing,
Things that never happend for 500 please. And you would know that if you bothered to play with real people instead of eating up the made up shit on Veeky Forums.

>For me, rape as a concept in game just isn't worth dealing with the potential discomfort and/or drama, especially as I tend to like more light hearted games,
Or you could just treat it not as such a big deal and move on like with murder.

>n-n-n-not the same g-g-guy but!

Okay user, your experiences differ from mine

>If you are less triggered by violent murder than rape you are the messed up person here, buddy.
I know, right? Treading carefully around the subject of murder is paramount, given the chance someone at your table might be a murder survivor.

Look, I could make a screencap showing the (you), but everyone knows how easy it is to "edit element", so there's really no point. What's your point anyway?

Nigger, this is a stupid argument. You're arguing that it 'might' be triggering for people if rape is handled in any way beyond 'she got raped' but the exact same could be said of torture or particularly graphic murders.

What your real issue with seems to be the question of how detailed it is and how it's done, not the concept itself

>people can't have murdered loved ones or couldn't possibly have seen people be die violently in front of them.

gg no re faggot

Ah, to be that innocent again

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>Can it be used and not ruin a game?
Yes. So long as every player and the DM is in on it.

>Can it be part of a backstory without the character being a one-dimensional murder hobo?
Yes. By not being a murder hobo.

>Ever used it in your game? How did it affect the game/your players?
No.

Sounds fair

>I have yet to meet a player or DM that treated mass murder with the gravitas it deserves, but something tells me you think that's a lot less of a problem.
I've had it happen. Once. We had to nuke a city with people still living in it in Shadowrun because it was ran over by bug spirits. My character still has nightmares and regrets it to this day and even took a negative trait to showcase some trauma about it, but he also accepts that it was necessary.
GM's been playing along with it too, it's how my character's mentor spirit came into being to give him advice and help him out.

Yeah, it can work. It's a tool for character development like anything else one can do to another. If you're focusing on the trauma aspect of it though, just try to keep it from getting out of hand and "woe is me" and whatever.

It can be used as a plot device if it fits. A given DM/GM/ST/Narrator isn't necessarily going to use it properly. A given player isn't necessarily going to react to it in context. If you're playing a game that's plot with porn then it's probably a fairly standard trope, but idk who you'd want to play that with irl.

Basically it's some shit that you could break out as the writer of a story but that probably won't fly well in most P&P games.

>It's a tool for character development
But user, don't you know female characters aren't allowed to develop? If something adversely affects them psychologically, they're weak and fragile. If it adversely affects them physically, they're literally broken and discarded as characters. If they die, they're women in fridges (because nobody has ever put a man in a fridge amirite?). If they are saved by a man, it's a male power fantasy. If they're saving a man, it's mommy issues.

Female characters must always be confident, always be right and always be snarky if not outright hostile towards men who can do absolutely nothing to threaten them, voiding the story of all tension. That's the only way to write a good female character.

t. nu-Marvel

Even thougy Yumeko freed Suzui from being Mary's dog, he spends most of his (on-screen) time following Yumeko around like a puppy. Thought that was funny.

> Prison rules bitch!

Really sucks that "strong female character" basically means "let's give her a ton of badass talents and powers and scenes where she beats people up or btfos them to make up for her lack of a character."

Mostly in the West due to the scourge of feminism, which never really caught on in the east. I've said it before and I'll say it again: it's because feminism cannot accept the idea that sometimes women aren't perfect. Therefore media that panders to them needs to include perfect women who are never threatened nor do anything wrong. It also results in a story nobody wants to fucking read, watch or play.

Feminists whine about women being "underrepresented" in media, but they sure don't help in making female characters appealing!

> Can it be used and not ruin a game?
Yes, but it should be used very carefully and only when it is necessary to include it into the story. Twice as carefully if you use it on player characters.
> Can it be part of a backstory without the character being a one-dimensional murder hobo?
Yes, it can, but see above.
> Ever used it in your game? How did it affect the game/your players?
Used it in my games? No. Played it? Yes, once, in a forum ERP game, just for laughs. But since my character was a shinigami and wasn't skilled at rape, he accidentally "killed" the girl and couldn't rape her because he wasn't necrophiliac. What happened next was vid related except with reversed genders.
youtube.com/watch?v=hNBBY8JWWkw

If I wanted to make a character that was completely depraved, I would make that character a war-loving madman who brags about torturing, raping, and killing POWs and civilians, because what's the point of war if you can't do any of those things? I would still not put any details about the rape or torture part. I think the listener's imagination can work enough of it out.

If you had quads I would agree with you arbitrarily, but since you don't, I'm going to say what's I think and tell you that I believe you are mislabeling most of them as SJW. I think that, in theory, rape in a setting done tastefully is possible, but most people can't do it justice. I see rape as less damaging than murder, but I see it as more evil since there is no scenario of necessity with rape unlike killing.

Don't mind the term "SJW", but I hate it when the label is used too liberally.
I would rather use the term "social justice fanatics/zealots" or "ideologues". It's harder to dignify and isn't associated with overreacting /v/tards.

I have the hypothesis that many feminists believe that the natural state is women getting fucked over by men collectively, so they can't have women that aren't perfect or less competent in something than a guy or else all of their cultural "progress" will dissolve in seconds. These feminists are afraid of nuance because they worry society will latch onto the worst parts and drag things back to the days of legal marital rape. They believe society is inherently unjust, so they have to control what society sees for its own good.

Marital "rape" is a meme though.

Depends on what you view marriage as an agreement to do, which depends on what you view as contractually enforceable in your model of society.

>so they can't have women that aren't perfect or less competent in something than a guy or else all of their cultural "progress" will dissolve in seconds
Considering how quickly people latch on to any failing as an example of how "they are right and those people are wrong", they aren't actually incorrect.
>They believe society is inherently unjust
Society, or the society that is created by people who see you as inherently lesser because you exist?

>Marital "rape" is a meme though.

No, I'm pretty sure you can very much rape someone you are married to. Marriage isn't a 'I can fuck you whenever I want' agreement. It's a mutual thing that requires the consent of both parties.

Not according to Christianity, user.

>Marriage isn't a 'I can fuck you whenever I want' agreement.
It was for centuries though. It was a mutual obligation where the man vowed to provide for and protect the woman, and the woman vowed to obey the man. The only difference nowadays is that female obedience is no longer part of the deal. No wonder the institution of marriage is collapsing.

>The only difference nowadays is that female obedience is no longer part of the deal.

Well, that and women can be part of the providing. You know, jobs and such.

If you force someone into sex, you are a rapist. End of story.

Even then, however, obedience was not absolute. It wasn't slavery and it wasn't one way.

>1 Corinthians 7:4
>4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife.

While yes, she is given to him, so is he to her. So he cannot demand sex without violating the trust that he gave her by giving her authority over his body.

>Well, that and women can be part of the providing.
The number of families in which the woman is the main/sole provider is very low, not increasing significantly anymore and highly unstable because women end up resenting their men for it. Can't change biologically engrained hypergamy.

Nice ideal, but I'm concerned with practicality here. If there's no equivalent exchange, at least one party is getting fucked over. In the status quo it's men getting fucked over hard. So they're bailing.

>Nice ideal, but I'm concerned with practicality here. If there's no equivalent exchange, at least one party is getting fucked over.

And it's not exchange to take with force.

>Nice ideal, but I'm concerned with practicality here. If there's no equivalent exchange, at least one party is getting fucked over.

'I give you me, you give me you' isn't equivalent?

It would be in a situation where
>both parties have equal or equivalent libido's
>both parties have equal or equivalent incomes
>both parties are entitled to nothing in case of a divorce
Circumstances that have not existed for most of history and do not exist today.
>Muh prenups tho bix nood muhfugga
Prenups are shot full of holes by fucking interns. Especially because a prenup can be seen as exerting psychological pressure on a woman, meaning it's null and void no matter how well you covered every possible legal loophole. The law doesn't help you when judges side with women consistently. And given that women are set to become the majority of judges (but not lawyers, guess women will always prefer daddy gubmint) this will only get worse and worse.

Considering how often so-called "feminists" will waste time with media and fiction rather than devote it to politics, I could understand why many people aren't taking feminism seriously. I blame American sensationalism rather than feminism itself. It's ruining collective intelligence.

Next you're gonna tell me marrying and divorcing for money is a meme, or that relationships don't often weaken over time.

I've never understood why people get married. There's risk of abuse, divorce, disappointment, murder, and betrayal. Then there are the little things such as the uncomfortable things one has to live with such as smells or hygiene.
Maybe I'm just riding high on moving out on my own for the past several months and realizing how much I enjoy solitude. My views may change later and I'm still young.

I am perfectly aware this topic is being steered away, but OP is probably a wad of dicks.

Depends on where you draw the line with standards of consent. Is agreeing to marriage consent to all subsequent sexual activity? Or do you have to fill out a form in triplicate for any sexual act performed on any occasion, then get it properly notarized? Or is it someplace in between?