I tried this on Veeky Forums but they are too busy shilling cryto that is sad. Anyway, can you imagine a nation where every citizen is selfemployed, off the grid, investors and gun owners. How will it work? factories should be automated for the lack of human workers? what about specialists like doctors, engineers and scientists? what about security? private army? conscription?
how will it work?
Pic not related, I just like ass.
When there's no grid, everyone is off the grid.
it wouldn't work on a major scale is the short answer. You could likely have a couple thousand people trading with each other; but without the logistics that a grid provides, a "functional" modern society larger than that isn't exactly feasible.
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Pretty much. Any sort of development needs the pooling of ressources. Without said development there's no large scale economy.
It wouldn't be a nation at all.
I thought you like worldbuilding.
yeah, I didn't think about it
so it will only work with a small country with very few citizens.?
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It would not work for any sort of country. For that you'd need cooperation and administration.
>it wouldn't be a nation at all
why not? If they share the same land, identify as one group, elect their leaders and use common currency they can be call a nation. Hell, they will have some kind of justice system to put limits and control trade.
My biggest concern is the workforce, there won't be any, they should rely completely on machines or even worse, they have to hire people outside their country, making everything more complicated.
they will have to make a society like most corporations do. The cooperation will be necessary for survival.
Imho there can't really be an entire society of individuals who all have the means to be self-employed investors.
You're right, that for goods and services to exist in a meaningful way, that there would have to be an extreme amount of automation.
But it's rather a contradiction in terms for
a) everyone to be off-grid self-employed investors
and
b) extreme amount of automation
as, i am sure you can imagine, the latter requires an awful lot of logistics. Consider, for instance, bread. Is every person going to have their own patch of land where they grow wheat or barley or what have you, their own personal mill where they turn the grain into flour, and personal ovens and bakeries where they're going to make their loaves? Are we expecting each person to have the agricultural/engineering/baking skills to do all that? If not, how are they going to afford to buy the drones that would? If they're off-grid, how are said drones going to be able to get to them? Are they going to assemble them themselves? Programme them themselves? Can we expect a nation of more than a few million people to all be able to teach themselves to programme and make robots to a degree that said bots could do all of that work? If not, where are the robots going to come from? What of the rare earth metals that are reqd for robotics, or plastics, or alloys? Do you think the self-employed investor is going to go into the pits to mine Neodymium?
Your nation can only exist in the terms you described if every citizen is extremely wealthy (what does that do to inflation of their currency if everyone is extremely wealthy), extremely educated (how?), have a vast amount of raw materials available and the means to transform said raw materials into robots. (So, a utopia)
It seems a little contrary to the rest of your ideas to have a military which has conscription.
Ironically, I think the only way in which your idea could work on a nattionwide scale is if it were collectivist.
Would have to be an ancient world but with modern living conditions I guess. Go back ten thousand years to when humans all fended for themselves but give them guns and shit too. I guess you're basically looking for a post apocalyptic setting
This isn't worldbuilding, this is typing out the mindless sharts you call thoughts and hitting "post"
m8 don't be so mean, OP is clearly a 16 year old libertarian who hasn't quite thought through his ideas.
>I have a vague, poorly thought out bait thread with cheesecake as the OP image, and have already been called a faggot by the last guys I asked about this
Welcome home, brother.
Again, you're trying to have cooperationless cooperation or fiat solutions. I mean sure, if everyone has their own personal robotic workforce that provides everything they personally need at no effort and is powered by an array of solar satellites, this society can "work." But the society itself isn't actually doing anything, it's just a magical elf land with an arbitrary set of conditions being propped up by something with an even poorer reason to exist.
>it's just a magical elf land
like most fictional societies in media?
A lot of projects really require many hands to get done on even a slow scale. Most people would end up being permanently attached subcontractors, and then you're just splitting hairs about "self-employed".
>Make a society like most corporations do
So it's based on resource scarcity (money) and coercion (do what we tell you to, when we tell you to, or we won't pay you and/or we'll fire you) to use the typical corporate mindset.
They wouldn't consider themselves to be sharing the same land, because they are all living as isolated one man islands. There isn't anyone to build and maintain infrastructure for transportation or communications, and even if someone WAS offering those services no one else can take them and still be 'off the grid' thus invalidating the premise.
So communication basically resorts to middles ages level where you almost never travel more than 15 miles from your house in your entire life.
Unless this culture is explicitly post apoc, they won't have cars. They can't develop the logistical network required to accomplish mass production or reliable move resources and parts across long distances.
Arguably, they can't even make and maintain modern firearms for the same reason. So we are talking, at best, revolutionary war era muskets where making your own ammo is easy and you don't need a factory to make guns.
They won't have common currency either, by the way. Because how would make and distribute it? You are locked into a barter economy, with all of the limitations to large scale organization that brings along for the ride.
Long story short: It doesn't work. Its like the Atlas Shrugged myth of taking all of the exceptional people and fucking off to make your own utopia without all the 'parasites'. If everyone in your community is a brilliant man of industry who works for himself, who is growing your food and pumping your gas? In a very real way, the 'exceptional people' are the ones that are the parasites living off of civilization, because the farmer can survive just fine without the CEO but the CEO literally cannot exist without multiple layers of other infrastructure and civilization enabling him.
>In a very real way, the 'exceptional people' are the ones that are the parasites living off of civilization, because the farmer can survive just fine without the CEO but the CEO literally cannot exist without multiple layers of other infrastructure and civilization enabling him.
So, Texas before it joined the United States?
I mean, yeah. This one's more obvious about it than most, though.
It'd be robot feudalism. Families would stick together (can't trust/rely on anyone else, and all land is owned and not normally for sale). Each family would own vast tracts of land with which to grow subsistence level food, generate power for bots and run factories, and mine for raw material. Factories, farms, mines, and such would be automated. After a long time each construction will have been renovated countless times, often independent of what the neighbors have, technology will have split down many different paths. Trade would be crucial among the society since not everyone will have access to all resources based on geography. Specialist services would be another commodity to trade, with reputation of the specialist being one the most important things in society, since there are no regulatory bodies because of no grid. Education would vary a lot and knowledge and skills might be hoarded by families or traded depending on the circumstances. Security either comes from individual robot armies or private mercenary groups hired by communities of citizens. Over all, the civilization will be fractured among many individual family nation-states that continually drift apart, only held together by commercial interests which may eventually fade away with improved technology.
>so it will only work with a small country with very few citizens.?
It would only work with a population the size of a very small, sparsely populated, country... but would itself not really be a country, and the people not really citizens. However, if you want a grimderp parody of a "society" based on "going gant," then look at the DEldar in 40k.
Think Hellenic Greece, only replace the slaves with robots. The nation is organized in series of independent city states. The citizens of each polis fiercely defend their individual and collective rights. They support their households via investments in various enterprises, particularly automated mines, factories, and farms. Outside the city states private land owners maintain and defend manorial plantations which trade food stuffs and botanical pharmaceuticals to the cities for raw materials to feed into their nano-factories.
A land of the truly free, dammit. A nation of action, not words! Ruled by strength, not committee! Where the law changes to suit the individual, not the other way around. Where power and justice are back where they belong: in the hands of the people! Where every man is free to think - to act - for himself!
It'll be glorious, user. Every man free to fight his own wars.
>tfw can never make my game look that good
Those fucking nips use photoshop I swear
this, thank you user, that's a great depiction of what could be.
OK lets combine these into an RPG setting. The cities and feudal manors are "points of light" in the midst of a world ravaged by rouge AIs and nanotech warfare. Monstrous genetically engineered war forms stalk the wilderness, and teams of adventurers are dispatched to explore the ruins of the old world in search of exotic ancient technologies.
>Eldar society
oh man, I didn't think about it.
these are good
>powerful politician improved by nanomachines
>killed by a man with high heels
japs are getting there. In a few years, Japan will win the 3D animation race and Disney/Pixar will be deprecated
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>japs are getting there. In a few years, Japan will win the 3D animation race and Disney/Pixar will be deprecated
Why are weebs obsessed with shitting on everything western, even when it doesn't make sense?
They're two very different styles of animation made for two very different demographics. Japanese studios won't beat Pixar and Dreamworks because they're not even in the same race
it's not shitting, Japanese people are slow learners. They take time to adapt to shit. That's the reason why android games are just becoming popular, 3D animation is getting there and PC gaming is turning more popular too.
Adventuring could be a good way to develop one's reputation and make connections for one's nation. Also helps kill off excess population. Any estate that was lost to monsters is also up for grabs, including all their hoarded secrets of success. Let's adventurers be welcome in any community and quickly acquire wealth.
>I just like ass.
>no ass, just thrust back hips with a fisheye lens like it's a goddamn jav cover made of lies and the lack of ass
OP, you better post some decent, Haylee tier ass right now for this offense.
You're missing the point. Give them fifty years, hell, a hundred years; the Japanese won't fucking beat pixar because they aren't competing with each other