Warcraft Lore and RPG Discussion

this is how I envisioned Sargeras when I first read about him in War of the Ancients, except with a beard-on-fire

For the Alliance, of course.

based nelves

So long as we get to keep the skulls.

Garithos was a corrupt criminal and a traitor. He's the reason why Alliance doesn't control entirety of Eastern Kingdoms.

Works for me
Now let's go fuck some elves

Can't stop won't stop.

Right here!

ya whats up with the writers of blizzard killing off characters of a dev that leaves the company? Knack, Metzen,kosack and so on?

What sort of answer do you expect? Certainly not an informed one, all we can get is speculations.

>bitter, petty successors wipe out characters of their predecessors to show who's boss
>insecure successors wipe out established characters because they are not confident in their ability to write them consistently with their established personalities
>previous writers implore the new ones to euthanize their childish mistakes, and the new writers comply
>we needed to kill someone off for dramatic effect and decided to go with characters that no longer have anyone to advocate for them around
>death by popular demand

They have managed to heroically continue their existence
Still better off than the gnomes

I don't think Blizz has ever confirmed what Yrel's secret was supposed to be, and since the whole thing was mentioned in like one pre-release character bio the idea might have been dropped by the time the expansion was released.
Her being related to Archimonde or Kil'jaeden could potentially be it, though. IIRC some of her lines suggest she personally knows Velen/is in some way related to him, and considering KJ and Velen were best friends it could be because Velen was taking care of his old friend's relative but kept her heritage secret (because being related to Draenei equivalent of Hitler-Satan isn't exactly something anybody would want people to know about).
I doub she'd be a daughter of either, as she was stated to have been born on Draenor and since Draenor isn't the first world the Draenei fled to for her to be Archie's or KJ's daughter would mean Draenei pregnancy lasts for millenia. Her being a granddaughter or a more distant relative could be possible, though.

ded

About to be full on replaced by nightborne r34. The age of alliance fap pics is over

>tfw no Seinfeld-style sitcom about Ebon Blade

*blocks your path*

Hmm, could work
Costanza- Nazgrim
Jerry- Mograine
Elaine- Sally Whitemane
Kramer- Trollbane

>draenei
>good

Alliance is done. Humans might save you for a bit longer but blood elves already run the show, and nightborn will only add to that.

>confirmed
I’m pretty sure Yrel’s secret was, “She’s somebody’s pet character Mary Sue.” Yrel is essentially a DMPC, where she gets dragged around with the heroes and gets to have her own story arc/progression even though the whole point of the adventure is meant to be about the PLAYERS. Wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest if her conception was entirely the result of a “Bring Your Daughter to Work Day”.

>blood elves
I've seen far more goblin porn than blood elf porn in recent years.

As it should be

Well shortstacks are great so that's no surprise. Non-gnome ones at least

Nah yrel and maraad were just draenei fan service. If you haven't noticed already, blizzard tries it's best to give each race some icons and some screen time. Obviously the favorites will always dominate the show but other characters will have their moments too. Draenei never really had any badass cut scenes so they got to have to great ones in WoD.

Sucks that that expansion is the closest to non-canon that it gets

Anyone else think WoD was imposed by Activision to advertise the movie? The warlords look exactly like their movie counterparts, it came out of nowhere and even for Blizzard they felt very forced whereas the Legion zones were more developed. I wouldn't be surprised if Legion was supposed to come after MoP but Activision said ''No you advertise movie now''.

I don't understand this non canon thing. Like it happened, wether it was an alternate time line or not it all happened. Your character went to draenor, real people died and real shit went down.

>Non-gnome ones at least
Imagine having this little taste.

on that note, how long until Chromie gets killed off?

They already did put a scenario revolving about her getting murdered several times over simultaneously so the idea is clearly on the table.

And none of it matters, because the only impact it had on the reality we spend the rest of the game in is that Gul'dan showed up. Which could have just happened without anything else in WoD happening, and the end result would have been the same.

They can kill her off in every expansion if they wanted

Except Maraad died, as did other people from the real world, garrosh etc. Events from WoD affected the game as it is now.

Chromie is the real leader of the bronze dragonflight I think. Nozdormu is just a stand in for her. There's been way too many hints about her being stupid powerful and Nozdormu really doesn't do anything

You stop that, and you stop it right now.

To be honest, I do think she's been overused to death, but at this point the dragons have been bullied too much. They deserve a break.

Aren't you the master of the obvious

No, that's just a standard case of "Hey, people like this character. Let's cram her into everything we possibly can, even if it makes no sense and is detrimental to the plot".

I'm actually very fond of her, ever since first coming to the plaguelands. That's why I'm concerned.

To add to this, we've also never seen Chromie turn into a dragon ( I don't think so anyways) so blizzards gotta be planning something.

Post characters who keep getting away with it!

I would normally agree but if you play the blizzard games, hots and hearthstone etc, there is just a lot of cryptic hints regarding Chromies power level and who she really is

Garrosh being involved at all was some stupid shit.

>So yeah, I know he was imprisoned by both factions as public enemy number one, but uh... he got away. And then went back in time.

She goes as a drake during that questline where you track garrosh in nagrand, no?

And I have vague recollection of seeing her as a dragon somewhere but can't quite put it.

>who she really is

E'lune

Didn't we see her transform at the end of the Old Stratholme?

That asshole. I felt bad for the girl.

There's a female elven mage that does the same thing to a captured cultist as a torture on broken shore base, but she's got different name.

I actually never finished nagrand so I don't know, but if Chromie can turn into a drake AND a dragon then that's even more reason to suspect some shit

I don't think so, dragons voices change when theyre in their real form, and I cannot recollect ever hearing Chromies dragon voice.

You're overthinking this. She's a time dragon, so taking on a younger shape, even as just an illusion, is not that big a stretch.

PC can turn into a drake by just drinking a potion, after all.

Alternately, since she's a time traveler, those might have been Chromies from very different points in her life.

>Thalen Songweaver
You are like a little calf. W A T C H T H I S .

Maraad was a nobody character until he was brought back to die

Didn't they confirm he was the Vindicator in the Burning Crusade trailer?

The Lich King was actually Arthas the entire time! You never ever fought the legit thing as the Warcraft III Ending implied! Arthas, in his collective spoiled stupidity and the wounds sustained by the trek to Icecrown and unfortunate exposure tho the Faceless ones let Yog-Saron influence him to cut out his heart, making that useless Pseudo phylactery you encounter in Wrath! A fun fact about Warcraft undeath is that it is not a set-deal with varying qualities over the specimens of the undead, and Arthas as a Death Knight was effectively a frozen guy on magical life support lacking many of the fundamental qualities and mutations featured across better specimens of the Scourge! So anyhow, in addition to being BARELY Undead himself and having actually no power whatsoever beyond what Ner'zhul granted him he shot himself in the foot! Additionally evident by the lapse in the Lich King's power thanks to Illidan's ritual with the Eye of Sargeras and the subsequent creation of the Forsaken! So anyhow, Arthas makes it to icecrown, puts on the Helm of domination, home to the tortured consciousness of Ner'zhul Dark Shaman of the Horde with the class abilities to boot, ability to grant shamanistic powers on his wearer and a lot of other neat stuff, in addition to his Psionic consciousness which literally ENCOMPASSED THE ENTIRE PLANET made possible thanks to how Kil'jaeden had him designed! And they actually were to merge into a single entity co-operating to share one body, and effectively be as much of a multiclass horror like that girl from the Scarlet Crusade you meet as the Forsaken was with her Rogue and pinkfire crap! Except with Ex-Paladin, Death Knight, Shaman and Dark Shaman Powers!
AND ARTHAS THEN PROCEEDS TO DRAG NER'ZHUL OUT OF THIS HELM VIA STABBING THE GUY WITH FROSTMOURNE IN THE MINDSCAPE STOPPING THIS FROM HAPPENING, DELUDING HIMSELF INTO THINKING HE HAS THE POWER WHEN IN ACTUAL FACT HE JUST RUINED EVERYTHING!

There's a fucking reason why Yog-Saron wanted the Fucking Undead DEAD evident by him showing you the Bolvar Torture Scene, that faggot Eldritch shitposter cannot work his bullshit if the living are undead, and he recognized just how fucking dangerous the Undead actually were- and nevermind the fact that the ORIGINAL plan for icecrown was that the entire terrain and environment was to be controlled by the Lich Kings Elemental power over the entire region to serve him- that whole fucking Saronite shit? Yog's little plan to ensure Arthas continued to make stupid choices all the way to his downfall- the "I only see darkness thing?" Same shit due for Slyvannas- Yog was claiming Arthas's shit for a nightmarish time-

Remember, Ner'zhul would've moved on to the Legion after he worked his will across the entire planet, and the Legion are key to the release of the Old gods, attributed by them letting artefacts fall into the legions hand of the black empires heraldry

I gotta give it to her, though. She's a mortal low-tier villain who has somehow managed to stay alive since vanilla, without any sort of resurrection/undeath shenanigans or meme protection. That's rare.

Infact, technically speaking I must note that the Actual Lich King Arthas, the merger Co-operation once WAS intended for Wow back during Vanilla when they still held semblance of RPG tabletop mechanics in the game, back during the ambitions for the whole Death knight, and Necromancers on release thing- because a lot of the d20 Warcraft to World of Warcraft RPG booklets speak along the lines of the old development plans like how they intended for the full Emerald Dream and that different Outland opposed to the one people got in BC-.

So the difference is the separation from the heart of the way they stylized themselves from source material in a sense, that period between WCIII and early Wow that held promise before the game itself was it's own focus showed some of the most promising more detailed parts of the development of the canon to how it is now.

I mean, if you look up the Lich King's fight strategies in the game, you'll note just how Limited his abilities actually are- reading up on this shit in this book shows the clear divide between martial champion of death and one of the most significant individuals from the Orc Invasions- in abilities, powers, spell usage- etc...

It really is a shame, and now a relic of the past with the decanonization of most, if not all of the RPG's content.

Infact- remember that whole WELCOME TO NORTHREND video with Arthas talkin about heroes and shit? Note how he was on Icecrown and there was NO fortress there- at least, it looks drastically different from how it's seen in the actual game when you get there, and even in the CG trailer it looks akin to WC3's- it's evident Icecrown's Saronite fortress idea clearly came later in development and they originally intended for the place to be as described in the RPG, a fucked envrionmental hellhole dedicated to spawning you with undead mobs every other second in the nastiest, sneakiest ways possible.

This is even more evident with the Scrapped Nerubian zone.

Bit she's the only bronze dragon that does this kind of stuff. Definitely the only one who gets any screen time too. I'm just throwing shit out there but I do think there is more to Chromie than were being told. Wasn't it confirmed that she basically revives us every time we die?

She is a cute and nice character so she gets more screen time and more time to show off. I'm fine with it desu.

>Wasn't it confirmed that she basically revives us every time we die?
I don't know. Was it?

I remember hearing something about Chromie pulling alternate versions of us from other dimensions to replace us when we die. Since reviving is not a Canon warcraft mechanic and is something that only really happens in game or by some divine measure on rare occasions

Sorry kid, but purple is superior to black.

Like, how heroically? Do they get inspector Treeleaf on the Teldrassil case and invade Ira- Silithus?

I'd say the age of bad pron is over, competition's too high.

The Mongrel Horde would have done nothing wrong.

Sounds like a headcanon. Flattering and creapy. With interesting consequences for the multiverse - what about universes champion (You) gets pulled from?

Doesn't mix very well up with the multiplayer aspect though, since parties and raids have revivals left and right.

Dude you seem flat out clueless. You haven't even done WoD Nagrand so there's no reason to give credence to your fantasies. Drop the subject.

>Anyone else think WoD was imposed by Activision to advertise the movie?

No, the game makes more than the movie could ever hope too.

>The warlords look exactly like their movie counterparts

Hardly, the most prominent movie Orcs are Durotan, Orgrim and Blackhand.
Durotan barely even wears his wolf pelt in the movie, which is his prime characteristic in the game.
Orgrim appears in two quests in WoD.
Blackhand looks totally different.

Grom appears in maybe one scene in the movie and the other warlords are background characters if they appear at all.

> it came out of nowhere and even for Blizzard they felt very forced whereas the Legion zones were more developed. I wouldn't be surprised if Legion was supposed to come after MoP but Activision said ''No you advertise movie now''.

It was set up with the last patch of MoP with the timeless isle. If Legion was supposed to be after MoP then WoD wouldn't have had such a lengthy last patch.

Aren't all undead damned to the void by default?

Was that ever confirmed or did Sylv just assume it was so instead of realizing it was because she was a bad person?

No. Sylvanas is just an evil cunt who deserves hell.

If it IS true, I think we can all see a way our (playable and thus never going away) Forsaken friends will get a better afterlife.

Just need to make a deal...

When you fly around in ‘The Deaths of Chromie’ scenario, she turns into a bronze whelpling, despite being fully adult grown dragon, mostly as a short joke I think

Could be because of undeath, or because she's a bitch, or because Icecrown is a place with bad juju in general, or because she was impaled on saronite (as was Arthas, what with Shadowmourne being a thing).

"My father once told me the world was gonna roll me, I ain't the sharpest tool in the shed" -Jaina Proudmoore

>At the hour of her third death, she will usher in our coming.

What did they mean by this?

Don't get pulled into phantom war by whatever tentacle monster says. Stay true to your heart and shit will sort itself out.

The Windrunners could a red herring. Hear me out.

Il'gynoth never specified what he meant by "her third death." We've just ASSUMED it has to be a female character who dies/has died three times. This could be many things.

>Jaina
When Daelin finds her at Theramore during the Rexxar campaign, he mentions how he thought she'd died in Lordaeron. After the Bombing, the peace-loving woman she HAD been died along with its victims. And it seems like her mother has some harsh words for her in Boralus, possibly even disowning her - or, in other words, Katherine might say that Jaina is "dead to her." Three deaths.

>Alexstrasza
She knows Malygos is dead. She killed him herself. She knows Neltharion is dead - she helped kill him herself. What if she never reacted to Ysera's death because she DOES NOT KNOW that her clutch-sister is dead? And when she is shown a vision of it, she will have WITNESSED the third death of another Aspect. A stretch, but it could match "her third death" in the same way you might say a young child sees their first death.

"Her" could also refer to an institution, or a member of it. Which leads to...

>Calia
Her father is dead, which ended her kingdom. Her brother is dead, which ended his reign. If she were to perish, it would end her line... and perhaps usher in the coming of the Old Gods.

But if we go back to the Windrunners, Sylvanas becomes rather likely again! But why, exactly? Maybe it's not the hour of her third death, but the hour of her third Death. Capital-D Death, the personification.

>Sylvanas
The Lich King, who forced her into servitude for a time, has been called a god of Death by the Vrykul. Yogg-Saron may have tormented her in the Void (and called himself the God of Death), but she has never served him - which is why he does not count. Helya, however, DOES. A goddess of Death, with whom Sylvanas made a deal that presumably involved serving her in some way. So who is Sylvanas' third Death?

Bwonsamdi, the Loa of Death.

We Bioshock Infinite now?

Might be Azeroth.

WELL, WELL, WELL, WHO IS NOW SIDING WITH THE HORDE, YOU STROMFUCK?

>So who is Sylvanas' third Death?

She got shot by Godfrey in Gilneas.

You're next you citrine fuck

BANDITS

AND

OGRES

Will playing through Ghostlands explain to me how Belves got a foothold in their kingdom again? This first zone didn't explain shit.

Arthas got pwnt by a paladin (tirion i think) and fled to northrend. That's when the elves retook their shit

Girls, girls, you're BOTH autistic.

Keep in mind that the bulk of the undead were transported to Kalimdor (and wiped out at the foot of Mount Hyjal) before the Legion had gotten around to exterminating all of the Eastern Kingdoms. That, followed by Sylvanas' rebellion and Arthas being recalled to Northrend, meant that the Scourge didn't quite have the numbers to steamroll everyone anymore.

Azeroth is also a girl, the message was specifically cryptic because it doesnt need to be taken literally. If we do take it literally then sylvanas is the prime candidate as she has "died" twice. But I doubt even blizzard is that predictable. We also have no clue what has really happened with queen aszhara, nzoth has yet to make an appearance too so the two of them will probably be involved somehow. For all we know aszhara died during the sunder in (its pretty unlikely anyone at ground zero would have lived that) but was maybe brought back to life by nzoth. Or perhaps aszhara is full on dead and nzoth is just using her image as a puppet.

The last thing to consider is ilgynoth was an amalgamation of the nightmare itself, so all the shit he said may or may not have any relevance.

Sylvanas has died thrice, actually. First time while defending Silvermoon, second time when she jumped off Icecrown after Arthas died, and the last was when she turned her back on Godfrey.

WHat would have happened if Sylvanas became the Lich Queen instead of Bolvar becoming the Lich King? Would Sylvanas still be herself or would she have simply be used as a host body for the Lich King entity instead, having no true power over the Scourge?

Oh right, so it can't be her then

Whatever has happened to bolvar would have happened to her. She wasnt really much of a strong hero in life. But Arthas kinda made her ridiculously op. It's like she has the powers of the lich king but isn't bound to the throne and can thus do a lot more than him.

Going by in-game logic, and considering the way Bolvar has been acting, I'd say the latter. Going by meta logic, though, I doubt Kosak would have let that happen to his waifu.

Also, I just had to solve four different captcha puzzles to make this post. What the fuck?

>Arthas kinda made her ridiculously op. It's like she has the powers of the lich king but isn't bound to the throne and can thus do a lot more than him.