/SWG/ - Efficient Space Janitor Edition

Actually, to build on that, I'm now looking for that deal with someone.

I'm looking for Empire- anyone looking to start with Rebs?

Anywhere better than 20% off?

Imperial Raider and 3 TIE Defenders.

Those ships are Sexy as fuck.

If you have to choose between Freighter+3 or lone Corvette, swap the Raider to a Decimator.

I am a sucker for hyperdrive equipped IPVs.

Honestly though a gozanti with 3/4 slots filled could work though it's not exactly a LIGHT freighter.

Or a Marauder Corvette even with the hangar bay empty it's kinda ideal.

Those are not exactly the kind of thing the NR would give up for diplomatic missions if captured.

Can’t beat the CR90.

Citadel class and a trio of SoroSuub Cutlss-9 patrol fighters. A relatively inexpensive set up, but can fight their way out of dangerous situations if need be, but aren't exactly a hyper aggressive group.

I'm looking to start with Rebels

Reminder that tracking ships through hyperspace has happened in Attack of the Clones, Rebels, A New Hope, AND The Force Awakens before The Last Jedi decided to act like it was impossible.

So Veeky Forums, Which do you like? Sequel Trilogy, or the Prequel Trilogy?

The Prequel.

It has better action to me.

PT 4 lyfe

Taller than I expected.

Prequels. They feel like they've got a soul, despite their many many issues. The sequel trilogy feels hackneyed and corporate, makes me sad.

What accounts for the overall drop in animation quality between TCW and Rebels? Is it just because TCW was being paid for out of pocket by George as his own thing?

Pretty much, and Rebels has a really generic and ugly artstyle which doesn't help anything. It's like they wanted to make an animated show but then made the artwork into cheap CG.

On the one hand, the sequel trilogy has a fair amount of issues, but I can say that I haven't been particularly bored with TFA or TLJ (although that may just be a case of them being newer, so I haven't watched them as much), and the cast does well enough with what they're given (Adam Driver, Oscar Isaac, and Mark Hamill in particular). Plus it makes greater usage of practical effects, which look very nice (and gives more for the actors to understand where they are).

Whereas I just can't watch TPM because I just get bored by it, with AotC not far behind. However, the CGI effects still hold up fairly well for the most part, RotS is better than either of the ST movies, the PT manages to be more unique of a story without just being an alternate rehash of the OT, and there's more internal consistency in the PT than the ST. Plus, as wonky as they are, you can at least feel like Lucas put some heart into it. The ST feels and looks like Disney executives telling the directors and writers how to pull on nostalgia strings.

I'll go PT.

>Is it just because TCW was being paid for out of pocket by George as his own thing?
That's literally why, yes. He was putting as much as two and change million dollars of his own, above and beyond the official budget, into some episodes by the end, and tens of millions overall
Rebels has a VASTLY lower budget to start with and no lucasbux

good lord

should we make a google doc?

or do you just want to trade emails?

[email protected]

By the end of TCW Lucas was sinking a million bucks into each episode because money was no object as long as his pet project was perfect.

Rebels was a business venture by Disney with a budget that did not consist of a series of blank checks.

jesus fuck, that money was well spent by Lucas.

I would think Technological advances since fucking 10 years ago would have made rebels look at least as good, but somehow Clone Wars looks a lot better/has more detail everywhere.

I remembered seeing a clip of Clone wars and until I recognized Obi-Wan thinking Rebels had received a graphical upgrade.

Some clip/Webm of a bigass cargo ship getting hit by a rocket and spinning out of control.

That was with an actual physical tracker though, in TLJ it was just through energy or whatever the fuck.

I'm still undecided if I want to buy in; I will let you know if I do

OH NO NO NO

Yeah but the thing to note is that in TLJ, Finn shows Rose the beacon he's wearing on his wrist for Rey, then says the FO can track them through lightspeed, at which point Rose IMMEDIATELY jumps to "active tracking" as the explanation.

Even though any one of their ships or fighters could have been tagged with a beacon during the fighting over D'Qar, or they could just have someone on board who's decided to sell them out.

There are two simpler explanations and one of them was just pointed out to Rose and is right in front of her face AND the audience, and Rose leaps straight to inferring the existence of brand new technology, at which point she and Finn just sort of reason their way to which ship it's on and how to shut it down. Notably Rose reasons her way through all of this without Finn's input -- all he does is say some key terms simultaneously with her as she figures them out, so they didn't even need any intel to figure this out. All she needs from Finn is directions once they're aboard to find the breaker room.

AT BEST, it's incredibly sloppily handled. It can also be seen as a missed opportunity -- a paranoid traitor plot could have been fascinating, especially since Holdo's bizarre hostility to Poe and refusal to do anything but stay the course make her an immediate suspect. And at worst it's Johnson just not thinking about what he's writing.

That's from The Lawless, I think. That's the Twilight, Anakin's spice freighter, which Obi-Wan borrowed for his trip to Mandalore, where it was destroyed.

The Twilight barely appeared at all after season 2 because there just wasn't a whole lot to do with it -- putting Anakin and Ahsoka in fighters generally worked better if they needed to travel in space. Season 5 was its first appearance in a very long time and last ever.

Help me out, guys. Me and some friends are having a jank tournament where the goal is to bring the most jank list possible and see what you can do with it. I'm wanting to go full quadjumper swarm and space tug people all over the board. What do you think? Can I change anything to make it more annoying to fly against?

Jakku Gunrunner — Quadjumper 15
Intelligence Agent 1
Contraband Cybernetics 1
Spacetug Tractor Array 2
Ship Total: 19

Jakku Gunrunner — Quadjumper 15
Intelligence Agent 1
Pattern Analyzer 2
Spacetug Tractor Array 2
Ship Total: 20

Jakku Gunrunner — Quadjumper 15
Intelligence Agent 1
Pattern Analyzer 2
Spacetug Tractor Array 2
Ship Total: 20

Jakku Gunrunner — Quadjumper 15
Intelligence Agent 1
Pattern Analyzer 2
Spacetug Tractor Array 2
Ship Total: 20

Jakku Gunrunner — Quadjumper 15
Cikatro Vizago 0
Pattern Analyzer 2
Cloaking Device (to be changed to Contraband Cybernetics) 2
Spacetug Tractor Array 2
Ship Total: 21

Prequels by a large margin. Sequels have just been a mess so far. Accusations are getting thrown around, people are blaming disney, the directors, the actors, etc but I think it's a classic case of one hand not knowing what the other is doing. At least with the prequels I understood what George was going for and it was consistent.

Reminder that Kanan could've been a dandy guy in space

Mon Mothma was super fuckable in the Clone Wars

>Concept art Kanan has better hair

What a qt.

That's some grade A jank there.

a bomb would make it even meaner, but i don't think you can fit that bomb.

Better hope no big ships.

I do like Rebel's thin lightsaber blades, it just works so well for me.

I can't stand them, personally. Same with the Kenner TIE Fighters and giraffe-necked Star Destroyers.

I can't even watch Rebels because the animation is so terrible. Fuck that show.

are you implying ANY fucking retard at disneywars knows ANYTHING about the IP other than "Fuck you we own it now so eat a dick cis scum shitlord REEEEEEE TRIGGER TRIGGER!"

I agree with you on that one, a bit more reminiscent of the Original Trilogy blades, I think.

Checked.
Dave is probably the only person who remotely gives a shit about Star Wars no matter how dumb some of his decisions/donut steels may be.

Old wounds did it better.

Anyone know where I can read this?

motherfucking QUADS FOR TRUTH.

RNG god has shown us the way. Disney confirmed for not knowing SFA

Dave probably spends his entire workday going 'but guys, this bit of canon that is still canon contradicts that' and 'that retcons this from a new hope' until he's so frustrated and homicidal, he retreats to his gremlin hole cubilce. in the basement, that is moldy, dark and reeks or rot, because that's his 'executive office' disney gave him. where he furiously makes an OC do nut still out of someone else's shit from the now not-canon EU

>Trusting Super Satan
C'mon user, NuCanon might be inconsistent but do you think Super Satan knows why best?

First list is super fun and what I would be playing if ghost fenn didn't eat it alive.

The second is definitely going to be better off against the top cancer.

Good luck!

>Those quads
EXECUTE

Chips or LRS on Nym?

Should I put Meme chips on the deltas for the blessing of Duncan?

Are any of the lightsaber paths in F&D subpar compared to the others?

depends on what you want out of it. They'll all suck if your stat is low, and niman, shii-cho, and makashi are all specialist forms but none of them stand out as bad.

>specialist forms

What do you mean by that?

They're all subpar to Ataru.
Well, more or less. If you're going to be a force user, you might want something like Shii-cho for sheer survivability, but if you actually want to be good at using sabers? Ataru, everything else just gets so severely beat out by mundane classes it's not even funny.

All that being said, the best saber class is the one that's appropriate to your character. Which one reflects their personality best? Use that.

Niman training regimens encouraged the inclusion of Force-based attacks in combat, such as telekinetic pulls and shoves used in sync with lightsaber strikes. Also, as Niman was developed from two pre-existing martial arts fighting forms that both emphasized the use of dual-blades, it provided a firm foundation for duelists looking to study into such practices. Ultimately, Niman's success in combat was dependent on a practitioner's intuition and creativity in combat, rather than the rote responses common to the other forms.

Makashi was described as elegant and focused, and was based on balance and footwork to outmaneuver opponents. Fluidity, precision, and economy of motion were relied on, rather than strength, with Form II bladework heavily utilizing jabs and light cuts rather than hack and slash movements. Overall, the form was at its fore when engaged in combat against a single enemy duelist.

Shii-Cho continued to find a niche as a training form, with almost every Jedi duelist receiving some instruction in it, and including elements in their own combat styles. Shii-Cho was considered an effective fall-back option when no other form or combat style would do.

Niman has only general lightsaber skills but has some social and a focus on force powers
Shii-Cho and Makashi both lack the reflect talent, Makashi is for 1 on 1 duels and Shii-cho is a general combat build, that interestingly can also be used with melee weapons.

Thank you all.

that looks like edgy shit

Too bad she is responsible for destroying both the Empire and the New Republic in both canons.

What if Yoda and Obi-wan both fought Darth Sidious near the end of Revenge of the Sith?

>Makashi was described as elegant and focused, and was based on balance and footwork to outmaneuver opponents. Fluidity, precision, and economy of motion were relied on, rather than strength, with Form II bladework heavily utilizing jabs and light cuts rather than hack and slash movements. Overall, the form was at its fore when engaged in combat against a single enemy duelist.
Literally the chad saber form.

>Duel on the Invisible Hand
>In this AU when Dooku is defeated he doesn't lose his hands
>As Anakin is about to behead him Dooku shouts "HOLD ON PALPATINE IS DARTH SIDIOUS AND ENGINEERED EVERYTHING HE'S THE REAL ENEMY"
>For the sake of plot convenience, Anakin believes him. Obi Wan gets up.
>Dooku calls down Grievous to help
Would Dooku, Anakin, Obi-Wan, Grievous and the entire crew of the Invisible Hand be able to take down Palpatine?

No. That's form 'fuck you and your defence you faggot' 5.

Djem So and Soresu master race. All else is faggy shit.

Does Obi-wan have the High ground

Tracking a ship through hyperspace without a physical homing beacon has never been done on-screen until TLJ, though it had been done a few times in Legends I believe

I think the art style doesn't do it any favors, either.

*Soresu for sheer survivability. Excuse the brain fart, even if the moment has passed.

With truly massive sensor arrays towed far from the interference of the ship itself. There's SOME trackable wake for hyperspace jumps but it's very hard to pin down and disappears fast. If you're lucky with their original vector you can figure out how far they went and drop out in time to catch the second wake, it's just highly unlikely.

Mind you those sensors COULD be built and maintained by a podunk isolationist warlord that basically ran Space North Korea in the Black Fleet Crisis novels.

But he put nearly all his resources into them, presumably so when the NR or a bigger fish warlord showed up he could loot his own treasury and flee.

It'd make for a better story if Obi-Wan was never knocked out and Dooku says it because Obi-Wan's still awake. Sheev escapes with Anakin and Obi-Wan is accused of siding with the CIS scum because it'd make for a good fanfic story.

I would say that in the inevitable massive force battle, a window would shatter and everyone except Grievous would be spaced and die but with the weird flying Leia shit now who knows

...

Except the posts in this thread spoke explicitly about how Finn is for some fucking reason WEARING a fucking tracker beacon on his wrist.

At least read the fucking thread before you shitpost. Plus, star wars ships ALL have hyperspace common transponders. So if you know the transponder off you can simply ping hypercomm bouys along the departure trajectory of a jump and find them that way.

Plus, hyperspace 'routes' are all well known and mapped, so as long as your navicomp isn't a total piece of shit it should 'know' the possible routes from whatever departure point. This is canon because its how the imperials found yavin and were going there before Vader let the falcon go with a beacon. Because Leia told tarkin dantooine, which let the empire focus the search there and spread out along the routes from there. Its why tarkin never says 'fuck they went to yavin, change course' or w/e and just ask how long it'll take to arrive at yavin.

sequels, don't @ me

honestly, I won't shit on either, but if I had to watch one right now (that wasn't OT) it'd either be TFA or TLJ

just kidding it'd be R1

wow who hurt you

so let's break this down

>Except the posts in this thread spoke explicitly about how Finn is for some fucking reason WEARING a fucking tracker beacon on his wrist.
maybe I didn't respond to that post because it was right. gee, tough concept. but it's still a physical tracking beacon. that's my point.

>At least read the fucking thread before you shitpost.
internet is serious business

>Plus, star wars ships ALL have hyperspace common transponders. So if you know the transponder off you can simply ping hypercomm bouys along the departure trajectory of a jump and find them that way.
and none of that appears on-screen so it's irrelevant to what I said.

>Plus, hyperspace 'routes' are all well known and mapped, so as long as your navicomp isn't a total piece of shit it should 'know' the possible routes from whatever departure point.
see above

>This is canon because its how the imperials found yavin and were going there before Vader let the falcon go with a beacon.
they weren't

>Because Leia told tarkin dantooine, which let the empire focus the search there and spread out along the routes from there.
what

> Its why tarkin never says 'fuck they went to yavin, change course' or w/e and just ask how long it'll take to arrive at yavin.

gee maybe this is why
youtu.be/T_OSeRxhGOY?t=177
at this point they haven't even left alderaan

sorry kiddo

>the imperial fleet is one death star. that's it, the whole fleet.

where is that even implied

My players have gotten themselves involved in the Battle of Yavin
How do I make it a great and memorable time without just having them take Luke's place?

have them defend the rebel base from the you know, 5 trillion ties the death star supports.
or have them pull cover for a pre emptive evacuation against said tie swarms

I liked TLJ more than any of the prequels, but I wasn't keen on TFA. Plus it's somewhat apples to oranges. They're both Star Wars, but they've tried to be very different things.

Why was the paneling based on pic related?

Tagge calls for reinforcements behind Tarkin’s back. It’s up to the PCs to intercept them before they royally fuck up Red and Gold Squadrons.

Rebels had some top tier art direction though. Go look at some of the establishing shots of Atollon or the base Chopper goes burgling on just off the top of my head.

preferring old wounds to twin suns is a sign of truly epic shit taste

Chips and yes

I want to say before his transfer to the empire of the hand. Maybe 2 years before endor?

When will the manlets learn?

OT = PT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> holiday special >>>> ST

Sequels. They have effects that don't look like they belong in a 2005 vidya game, solid cinematography, (mostly) better acting and writing, and an complete lack of Space CSPAN.

an complete lack of Space CSPAN.

The ST coulda benefited from at least a little space CSPAN. You know, explain over the course of the actual movies how we got from the end of RotJ's Empire/Rebs situation to how we got to TFA's Empire/Rebs situation.

>two posts criticizing user for complaining about space C-SPAN
>nobody has issue with the user who prefers the holiday special to the ST

if I didn't know better I'd think this thread had an axe to grind

No film benefits from space CSPAN. Politics is fucking boring, leave that to the comics and the books for the slavering autists to drool over.

Perhaps because it's an obvious hyperbole.

Why do we care? We wasted an entire trilogy explaining a backstory that didn't need to be explained that undermined how awesome the character (and a lot of supporting characters) was, why would we encourage the same mistake for the ST?