Best Investments: AAA Rated Asset Bundling (Booster Box): Innistrad, All Prerelease Kits before Oath of the Gatewatch, New Phyrexia, P3K AA Rated Asset Bundling (Booster Box): Scars of Mirrodin, Alpha, Beta, Unlimited, Urza's Saga & Legacy & Destiny A, BBB, BB, etc: Why even bother?
I realized a while ago that MtG is a horrible investment. While normal commodities are actually worth something at the end of the year and stocks are regulated by at least by professional clowns, at the end of the day you're trading in cardboard. Cardboard which is ultimately subject to reprints, seasonal bans in the most glacial metas and 90% of the cards are worth nothing after Standard.
Personally I'm cashing out everything that's not in a deck once I figure out if ebay or amazon is less hassle for selling garbage.
I can't tell you what to do with your money but treating a card game like a serious investment probably has the same shelf life as comicbooks
Wyatt Price
"treating mtg like an investment is as bad as treating comic books as an investment"
I turned $100 (or $200 depending on how you look at it) into $1000 on Options during my latest trip to my LGS. We had a small agreement on a few thousand Treasure Cruises (Lost $100) and a few playsets of Jace, the Mind Sculptor (+$900).
It's a horrible investment if you're retarded, but then again you can say that about anything. Like people who invest in Chainlink, Viacoin, $SNAP, etc.
Benjamin Russell
>I'm too chickenshit to invest in real stocks so I play Baby's First Investment with a trading card game played by manchildren.
I picked up some riptide laboratories the moment the commander deck tribes were released cos they'd go up with wizards tribal in commander.
Good to see it go unprinted again in a set with wizards tribal.
Chase Carter
Why;d it go up? A buyout?
John Martin
Short answer: Yes.
Longer answer: Literally the only deck I can think of that wants this is Horobi in EDH, and since it's only been printed once when the game was in its infancy, the prints will be scarce and it'll drive the price up.
Real answer: Investors are a bourgeois blight and should be shot in their homes by the proletariat.
Jose Turner
I know it's become a meme, but can we discuss a bit on how the market is on the verge of collapsing? The whole out of print situation in HOU and the fact that Dominaria isn't NEARLY as good as expected is worrying me. On the eternal side of investing, collectors are about to oversaturate their collections, and since the monetary barrier for new people is hard to cross, the market that we could rely on (eternal format players) is slowly but consistently dying. How do we deal with the reserved list problem without crashing the market or skyrocketing the prices (due to availability issues and massive reprints not being an option) do we just wait for the chinese to do their shit right and surf the wave?
Connor Ortiz
Why would anyone think the market's about to collapse? Why is HOU being out of print not a bullish act? I mean, if they kept it in print when people didn't want it, that would be an oversupply issue that would tank values. Since it's going out of print earlier alongside the lower demand, it shouldn't be any issue.
The only thing that I think would cause a market collapse would be reserved list violations. If I saw Black Lotus in booster packs or sold by WotC in any capacity, I would instantly liquidate my collection (worth about $110k) at whatever buylist became. Normally 50% is no questions asked but I would do 33% to the first person who wanted it. If I had trouble getting bites I'd do 20% but any lower and I'd just keep it all for nostalgia's sake since I don't need the money. But I'm sure I am not alone. Stores like Alpha Investments probably have $1,000,000-$2,000,000 in value and they might liquidate out of principal too. SCG has $5,500,000 in their warehouses, if they said fuck it we can't stay in this business we would see instant collapse. Anyone SCG size deciding to get out would destroy the international scene, keeping prices suppressed for years.
But if they won't break the reserved list we still have a long time to keep playing MTG finance.
My fear is that I see an oversaturation of the collector market share happening. I'm worried that I don't know how I'd liquidate my collection (roughly 90k) if that happened. The way I see it, formats which have loyal players who will keep playing and wanting cards with high intrinsic and solid market value (i.e legacy, vintage and cEDH/1v1 CMDR to a lesser extent) are usually made up of collectors, and the monetary barrier makes so that the market size doesn't increase as fast as it should.
At the same time, I feel like the current playerbase for the less premium options (type 2 cards for instance) is on the verge of sizable shrinkage. Dominaria was make or break, and it's a weak set. The stylistic changes may help soften the blow or straight up finish the job a weak set is already delivering. If type 2 dies I'll have to quickly liquidate my assets for that market share, or hope that some of them gain value on the modern marketplace, which is probably unwise.
Thing is, should I be worrying about selling my reserved list stuff in about two years and my type 2 assets as soon as possible, or should I wait for both? If I choose the second option, should I keep buying so that when counterfeits become passable enough for high stakes tournament play I can dump my entire collection on a growing market?
I know my collection is considerably less valuable, but still, I've been collecting for 15 years, and up until very recently the only reason my assets have raised in value is that I had them from when they were 10~30 bucks. I don't know much about actually investing with them
Kayden Russell
BBE is the real investment. When Jace and BBE were unbanned, I quickly liquidated most of my Jaces to buy more BBEs while they were still hiding behind the bogeyman
Zachary Rivera
Yep, I sold my Jaces asap because I know he's not going to do well in such a disgustingly fast format. Hell I was laughing when this guy at the LGS said that he'll still warp the format because he exists and will make it go faster. You can't go faster than the current speed.
Ryan Davis
>Hell I was laughing when this guy at the LGS said that he'll still warp the format because he exists and will make it go faster. You can't go faster than the current speed.
My thoughts precisely. People thinking TMS is going to be viable in t1 decks is laughable. Even in Legacy we have like, 3 good jace decks, and Legacy has all the decent, targeted low cost answers.
Tyler Howard
The biggest tell is that affinity isn't the fastest deck anymore, and even other decks are beating it up just as fast or faster.
Jaxon Flores
I started worrying when we reached a place where Scapeshift was a slow deck.
My main problem with Modern is that decks like Lantern Control only bring results home because they run 4 tutorable Ensnaring Bridges that can't be dealt with pre sideboard because most decks only have wide and general answers since the good ones aren't available.
John Garcia
Everything has become so efficient in Modern either it's going to keep going faster or some incredibly weird countermeasures are taken.
Mason Allen
>We had a small agreement on a few thousand Treasure Cruises
>buying commons from a recent set
Sebastian Torres
I've been playing:
4x JTMS 4x Mana Tithe 4x Terminus 4x Snapcaster Mage 4x Spellqueller 4x Path to Exile
Some thoughtscours to get rid of brainstormed bad cards, some mana leaks, some azorius charms (lifelink mode is great) 1 entreat and 1 sphinx's rev.
And it's been amazing. Being able to mana title, mana leak, then Snapcaster + mana tithe means that I never have to care about the format being "too fast". Then I can land a jace and take over the game easily.
The price was right.
Benjamin King
When Jace starts dominating GPs and PTs I'll concede he's busted. As of now he's bad, to ok in heavy blue or two color decks.
Cooper Lewis
>it's bad to terminus only on turn 5, if you're lucky to have it >queller is only decent in modern because it has no good counterspells, and I mean, fetch push is always happening >snapperinno is nice, but at 3 mana he probably has mana open and is playing around conditional counters >Tapping 4 lands at turn 4 main phase for a brainstorm just to take a bolt to the face is bad. An unstabilized board makes the +2 you get from fatesealing irrelevant >not being able to terminus on your opponent's turn is bad (no, opt is not a decent enabler)
if he fucks any gps up I'll gladly say I'm sorry, but I'm still waiting to deliver on my promise that if any good legacy decks ran 3x blood sun mainboard I'd eat my FoWs and Moxen on video
Michael Jenkins
Terminus happens turns 1-4 all the time with a playset. There's games I just happen to win immediately on cast because I get lucky. Opponent commits 3~ creatures to the board and I'm getting read to path-snap-path, but I thoughtscour or azorius charm to draw a card and get a terminus, then get very far ahead.
Queller is just the best spell ever to protect jace and NO ONE HAS EVEN TRIED IT OUT YET. It's absolutely amazing and changes the entire decks winrate drastically. Going T3 counter something, create a flying blocker, then following up with JTMS +2 (or -1 if you aren't playing against red) just wins you the game.
You'll be sorry. Soon, too.
Ryder Young
>You'll be sorry. Soon, too. yea nah, ur a fagt lol
John Reyes
>Terminus happens turns 1-4 all the time with a playset Really? Guess my Legacy miracles deck doesn't need all those pesky brainstorms, ponders and portents after all! >because I get lucky. see, here's the problem, luck isn't what you should count on, you have to because of the nature of the game, but you want to minimize it. >Queller is just the best spell ever to protect jace hahahahah. >and NO ONE HAS EVEN TRIED IT OUT YET. HAHAHAHAHAHAH. >Going T3 counter something you see, you're talking T3, and you know seize/inquisition is a turn 1 spell, right? And that you only have one early interaction for them that requires that you begin on the play. >following up with JTMS +2 (or -1 if you aren't playing against red) just wins you the game. yeah, most non red decks don't have enter the battlefield matters cards, and you really want to turn 4 fateseal, while they have fetches up.
>You'll be sorry. Soon, too. wasn't me, so let me answer this like I would. yea nah, ur a fagt lol
Nicholas Turner
>yugioh turns from turn two format to turn zero format >dbs turns from turn five format to turn two format >modern mtg format steadily ticking down like it's gonna blast off wtf is going on
Christopher Cruz
Power creep + company being afraid of printing relevant non-discard, non-general, low-cost answers on the type 2 format. The fact that magic players are whiny as all hells when it comes to anything that slighly controls the game and holds combos down is also to blame.
I always say that WotC should just have Wasteland and Daze/FoW be unbanned in modern, but if they did that, why would anyone want a bad legacy that looks so much like decent legacy?
David Reyes
actually, let me do you one better I'll eat my 10 copies of liliana of the veil, on video, if TMS warps modern in any way even remotely similar to how cawblade fucked type 2 up.
Logan Gray
>investing in a sinking ship Lol, just buy all the power nine you can since those will always be iconic and dump the rest
Robert Powell
According to tapped out I have 4000 invested in the game from buying completed decks in bulk.
Not gonna lie, former Magic player here. It's fucking hilarious watching this sjwfest crash and burn. But seriously we can't let our manchild cardboard investments become worthless
Daniel Brown
How does shit like this happen?
Parker Hill
dubs+trips comfirm
Juan Johnson
Anyone invest in legends matter cards for modern? Time of need et al...
Christopher Morales
>Put all my modern stuff up for sale two days ago >About $1400 worth >Last night bought a Mox Diamond for $100 >mfw the addiction continues
Sebastian Scott
I just went on a big buying spree actually because of the dominaria leaks. I hope it works out well.
Jayden Lewis
Kamigawa cards will be dominating modern. Mark my fucking words
Ian Jenkins
20% off ebay deal yesterday, capped at $100 off.
>What did you buy anons
Copped a judge force of will, yavimaya hollow, fnm git probe, foil delver of secrets, and from the vault: transform for 320 total. Not bad at all.
Juan Fisher
Ive had about a dozen ebay accounts ive been fostering for promos. I got a dozen cases of dominaria at $68/box, going to flip them later at $79.
Jaxon Sullivan
Someone on tcgplayer has a super high price, temporarily he's the only one with a listing when goldfish scrapes it's data.
James Young
All the cards from Kamigawa are pretty bad. Is there even a single card we could see get played? I looked at the set and see its all garbage even for legendaries.
Matthew Rodriguez
Time of need if there is a combo involving 1 or 2 legends?
Jackson Lewis
>Finance Discord: Discord.gg /U5Yh4Vj
There's anti-TCC and pro-Unsleeved Media/pro-Twoo people in this chat.
Easton Hernandez
1 card is a maybe?
Luke Howard
So are we of the opinion as a whole the market can't collapse without reserved list being broken?
Dominic Bailey
When the RL is broken, it would happen because mtg is dying, not the cause of. 90% of RL cards would tank, outside of Alpha, Beta, FBB duals, and stuff in arabian nights. everything in legends would TANK.
Adam Russell
Why even talk about this when it will never happen. WotC couldn't survive the RL being broken, the legal fees alone would kill them.
Anthony Reyes
So Isamaru will double up in price with the new "legendaries matter" theme right?
Jacob Sullivan
>In the future, we're going to invest in Magic: The Gathering cards and derivatives. Hopefully either Wizards dies before that or they wake the fuck up and start printing non-reserved list cards into oblivion.
Owen Hughes
That's if a card breaks into Modern. I'd suggest getting into Sram, it's a card that actually works with a bunch of this stuff.
Christopher Gomez
So when do they print emrakul tier minotaur so my random 54 copies of didgeridoos makes me rich?
Nathaniel Jones
Rivals of Dominaria.
Joseph Thompson
I'm more interested in Dominaria's second set, because we're going to see EVEN MORE Wizards, Legendaries, etc, and I'm going in on specs now hoping the whole next 6 months is good. Dominaria pt 2 is going to be make or break for the stuff I've gotten a bunch of copies of now.
Jaxson Smith
Are you even sure there's gonna be a second Dominaria set?
Nathan Adams
There isn't gonna be a second Dominaria set.
Wyatt Ross
Isn't everything a 2 block format?
Christian Stewart
Nope. Ixalan is the last block, now it's a core set every summer and three other large sets a year, all standalone.
Brandon Campbell
Nah, they can be whatever but not more than 2 per block.
Kayden Russell
Uh oh, I spent $500 on non-Snapcaster Mage Wizard cards because I thought we'd have 6 months of Wizards...
Leo Smith
I'm sorting through old bulk commons looking for $1+ stuff and I gotta say blue gets a fucking lot of love and red is like garbage.
Angel Reed
you can't cast a miracle card if you draw it outside your first draw phase so the thought scour or azorius board clear idea doesn't work. or am i missing something here?
Ian Gonzalez
Boy are you in for a surprise when you find Gushs.
You can miracle ANY TIME it's the first card you've drawn this turn. Even opponents turns.
Jason Torres
>Boy are you in for a surprise when you find Gushs. Already found four. And like twenty nettle sentinels.
James Harris
even though its a sorcery you can cast it on an opponents turn because of miracle? That's some silly bullshit.
Xavier Campbell
>That's some silly bullshit. It's implied by miracle, how else are you casting a sorcery in the fucking draw phase?
Nolan Ortiz
Is TCG Player offline right now?
Matthew Murphy
>if you draw it outside your first draw phase Remove the word "phase" and you have the actual rules.
Evan Hughes
No, they said that it could be 1, 2, 3 or whatever they felt like per block
Tyler Kelly
Where can I check in on a possible Dominaria 2? Googling isn't getting me anywhere, and I went preeeeeeeeeety fucking deep on Wizard specs...
Kayden Sullivan
I just had a hebrew orgasm. Can I get a oy vey?
Jordan Martin
Can someone please give me a summary of this "mtg is dying" thing?
I've been hearing the rumors for a while, but now even the professor from TCC says Dominaria will make or break magic. When did this happen and when did it become an accepted fact? I always put the rumors down to anti-sjw wishful thinking
Julian Ramirez
You think we'll have another Dominaria set in September when the first one comes out in April? LIke really?
Anthony Powell
Is the card warping/curling fixed in the latest sets? Opened a box of kaladesh a year ago and they are literally going bananas. Same with khans, amonkhet etc. Meanwhile all the old stuff is still straight as a board. Is it since the new borders or what? Only buying from before Khans at this point when it comes to paper.
