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Everything in that image is soon to be reduced to rubble.
First for beautiful orc girls.
that's not a picture of Stromgarde
But it's still not incorrect.
>tfw too lazy to learn photoshop to continue with mapmaking
>tfw no undead waifu
That """woman""" is literally just a drone controlled by Sylvanas wearing the carcass of his wife. The only kindness that he can perform in the memory of his wife and their child is the destruction of that foul thing inhabiting the corpse and the burning of the remains. That is not the woman he loved.
Even if the Alliance totally force out the forsaken and retake all of eastern kingdoms above the Thoradin Span, there's no way the forsaken would leave it liveable. Everything would be plague bombed to hell.
I mean, it is. Just physically and emotionally blunted, and left easily molded by the trauma of death, loss, and a near-apocalypse.
Look I'm a Paladinfag like any other but you don't know the context of that picture. Maybe she's one of the not-Forsaken undead and a bunch of fucking Sylvanasfags came in and beat her up, while her Lordaeronean human husband was trying to protect the child?
Channel your anger so that you can exercise just retribution, brother, or you will become as vile as the orcs.
Sylvanas doesn't have full control over those she revives/awoke though. The precata undead were free to do whatever they wanted, hence the wrathgate incident. And post Cata they also have free will, like when Lillian Voss refuses to go along with the whole "for the Dark lady" thing and runs off.
>tfw they could have reclaimed it, but they didn't.
Gotta bust out this alignment chart again.
user who says kill the woman for being a Sylvanas puppet is bottom left.
user who says euthanise her out of suffering is middle or top center.
user who says consider the situation and empathise with the victims is top left.
Any other inputs?
Aren't they both Forsaken in that picture?
Undead not controlled by the Lich King, Sylvanas or necromancers are just mindless, hateful things driven to end all life that they encounter. No matter what she is controlled by, she is an abomination that needs to be put down.
No, the Forsaken are just Sylvanas-controlled drones that play out some macabre mockery of sapience as a part of her self-delusion.
Lilian Voss is just delusional, she is nothing but an extension of Sylvanas's will that Sylvanas. Sylvanas could, and does eventually rein in, since we can see her serving the Horde in the latest expansion.
Were the Ebon Hold death knights freed during the same point as Sylvanas?
>He hasn't met Alonsus Faol
Ok, so maybe you're not even a Paladin. Night Elf Druid?
>rest of post
Oh, you're a Forsaken Rogue.
They are. Dudes got skelly fingers wrapped around his wives shoulder.
This is pretty good fanfiction
no they were freed at the start of Wrath, when Tirion purified the Ashbringer
No, not even close.
Is this weird thread roleplaying or are you stating this as lore fact?
Then they're both abominations and in the memory of their son, the only path they should pursue is that of self-immolation. Except they won't, because they're ultimately just puppets of Sylvanas and she wouldn't throw away valuable resources like that.
Voss helped the Uncrowned. Depending on the players faction she actually helped the Alliance.
Why not both?
I think that's just an artstyle choice, you'd see more than one detail if he was undead.
You can find an official Garona nude here, if you like.
This was while the Legion was still a threat.
Because stating headcanon as lore fact is even more retarded than shittily roleplaying as a falseflagging Forsaken infiltrator.
Sunken grey flesh.
Because it's not lore, it's just roleplay headcanon.
Yeah no, her flesh is grey, his is of the same living tint as his portrait.
Not headcanon. Uncontrolled undead are ravenous monstrosities that just go on a rampage. The Forsaken have to be controlled, otherwise they would be "mindless."
I wouldn't mind it so much if it wasn't always just thinly veiled faction shitposting. As though we don't get enough RvB or Forsaken bitching in these threads, somebody's always got to try to be cutesy about it too.
You don't even know if either of them are Forsaken. There's literally no way to tell.
For fucks sake the correct term is "undead human".
Nonsense. It looks faintly greenish. The guy is dead. Look at his hand atop hers. Those are fucking bone. You can see the individual bones in his thumb.
Do we need to report your ass? This isn't the story forums, you know.
Yah but what do so you mean by
>since we can see her serving the Horde in the latest expansion.
Like does she help the horde in BfA? Or do you mean she helped now during Legion. Because my point was she didn't help the horde in legion she helped the rogue order hall PC.
She's either a Forsaken corpse pretending to be a person, he's a necromancer that has reanimated her to pretend to be a person, she's a Scourge corpse that's about to rip his face off or she's an unaffiliated corpse that's about to rip his face off.
I don't know, I'm not convinced.
She's literally an agent of the Horde player character during BfA.
Not fact at all. Gunther Arcanus was raised by the lich king and broke free of his control with his own force of will. He's a self controlled lich and is far from mindless or insane.
Stop LARP'ing about your gay ass theories.
>her shoulders are wider than her hips
I will have to consider this.
Also Meryl "Mu'Fuckin" Felstorm.
Then there's people like Meryl Felstorm and Alonsus Faol and a number of other non-Forsaken undead NPC's, wait why are we still talking about this retard's bait?
Posted this in the last thread, reposting it here. Which of these sounds best or would you, a rando from Veeky Forums, be most wanting to play in?
So, I'm thinking of actually running a game in a few weeks using a hack of Blood & Bronze I've been working on. I'll probably post about it in a Gamefinder thread or something.
I'm thinking of doing one of the following games:
A campaign set just after The Taming of Durotar, with the party being a collective of the fledgling Horde on Kalimdor working under the commands of Rexxar as a garad'kra to help keep the peace between Troll, Tauren, and Orc as well as potentially bring new races into the fold.
A campaign about the pacification of claimants and the reconstruction of Alterac as a vassal state to Lordaeron prior to the Scourge rising in Lordaeron. Petty politics, misplaced patriotism, cults and anarchy. Party would be a lesser barony vying for power over the bones of their kingdom, meaning they'd be mercenaries, retainers, and all sorts of nonsense like that.
Or a Draenor game set during the expansion of the Gorian Empire, with the party as orcs and what-not who need to deal with this threat in a very Conan the Barbarian on Barsoom sort of way.
Failing all that, it'd just be Mean Streets of Gadgetzan with the party as fledgling gangsters. But I'd probably use Blades in the Dark for that kind of thing.
I don't like option 2 because it's too much of a Stormwind GoT vibe. Do you have anything in Pandaria?
Also, what did you want/need a map of?
As a Game of Thrones fag and grand strategy faggot with thousands of hours played, I'm all over petty politics. Could even build up a post-Scourge campaign where Aliden Perenolde works to gain power throughout Alterac, Hillsbrad, and Arathi.
Haven't really considered Pandaria, mostly because I mainly run Legend of the Five Rings and I kind of wanted to break away from Asian-centric stuff for a bit for sake of my palate.
If I did a Pandaria one, it'd be probably set post-Pandaran Revolution, dealing with the chokeholds of the Mogu Clans that while scattered are still a threat to villages and towns; especially with lingering Zandalari backers who might be remaining in Pandaria to watch the Empire fully fall and consider what would best benefit them in the future.
Dealing with lingering Mogu, witnessing corruption via wicked emotions taking root in vengeful Pandaren who had lost much; bring in some Sha stuff. It'd be pretty traditional fare.
>dubs
I feel like the Draenor one would be cool, as well as the rebuilding Alterac idea.
Would any of the players be related to Perenolde? And if yes what sort of political swamp would their name be dragged through for sharing lineage with the guy who turned Alterac over to the horde.
I've been assembling assets and stories for a potential Bannerlord mod. Viewing older maps has given me a boner for a specific world, and creating it myself would automate the process later on when converting it to a 3D mesh (and you don't need much for that stage). Thought it'd be fun to "color it in" and actually create all of the natural borders possible, and clearly outline where I want each of the dozens of factions to be.
That actually sound pretty cool.
Meh, my main appeal with Pandaria was the conflict between the neocolonialist industrial warfare and the pacifistic native culture.
I think most likely option one is the most fun because it's the least gimmicky.
>Grom Hellscream was told to make a settlement and ended up becoming a demon slave
>Garrosh was told to lead the Horde and ended up killing one of it's greatest leaders.
>AU Grom decided that fighting just the AU Draenei wasn't enough and opened a portal to fight ANOTHER enemy at the same time
Are the Warsong full of retards?
Here you go user.
Whoa thanks dude! I'll be sure to use it.
Yes. Also
>AU Grom starts a war and kills thousands if not tens of thousands of Draenei and even other orcs.
>I was bamboozled. We're cool tho
Guy outta be dead or locked up.
Yes.
Frostwolves are for good orcs.
Blackrock are for smart bad orcs.
Warsong are for screaming morons.
It'd be a pretty terrible situation to be related to Perenolde, but at the same time you have a much more direct right to rule. You just have to be willing to put your family name in the mud for sake of distancing yourself entirely from your relative; and also be willing to hide from his heirs who want your head for trying to take the throne.
Even so, I'd much rather it felt less Game of Thrones and more "We have to appease and impress Terenas, so lets go do something heroic and also slander our enemies." I'd probably play them up culturally like if the German/Swiss had to go through the June rebellion; and every other human nation hates you, and there are still orcs out there.
Ah, sorry; thought you needed a little zone map or something.
I can get that. I'm not a huge fan of going full on WoW-as-it-is; I like the weird little historical eras that are briefly mentioned or were washed over because I can mine that for a lot of stuff without also having to justify why there aren't Death Knights kicking ass or what-not.
I totally get what you mean though.
Laughing Skull are for dumb good orcs.
Thunderlord are for dumb bad orcs.
Well then, have a Draka.
>When she gives birth to a stillborn Thrall in the movie
>mfw that's my fetish
Shadowmoon is for dumb smart orcs
*plays war drums*
How big are orcs supposed to be? In art and cinematics they seem to range from human sized but much more muscular to Arkail from Of Orcs and Men.
lok'tar ogar fellow warrior of the Horde
I haven't actually watched the movie. How watchable is it?
They tried to fit way too much in too short of a rune time.
Some of the characters are meh. Garona being Medivh's daughter instead of lover was a strange change though.
They do a lot of telling rather than showing, like about Lothar's deceased wife and how it strained his relationship with his son or Garona's past.
might as well be a troll
It's very watchable but you can't expect the plot to follow real canon. People also complain about pacing sometimes. Most issues happen in the third act and there's a concerning question with Garona and Lothar taking up so much focus and buildup when we know their story pretty much ends if not in WC1 then WC2.
Also Orgrim is a Frostwolf why?
It's alright. There are some pretty dumb retcons that make no sense, the ending is stupid and they should have just used the canon one, and the Orc story is significantly better than the Human one that takes up most of the plot, but it's cool to see it all up on the big screen.
Not very. The CGI is good but the human costumes and actors are both lackluster as fuck, the story barely follows the first game at all, the Orcs don't even drink demon blood and the only character that stays true to how they were in the games is Gul'dan.
1st viewing was weird, thought it was fucking rushed to all hell as fuck
2nd viewing appreciated the orcs a lot more
3rd viewing I enjoyed all aspects of the movie
6/10. 7 if you can actively ignore Garona when she's on screen.
Half the issue with the movie was that it was set in the fucking First War where everything is boring.
The other half of the issue is fucking Garona. Whoever that bitch is that they got to act her so obviously heavy handed her contract that it's sickening. It isn't even Garona, it's some retarded halfbreed that just so happens to share her name.
That said they cancelled out the entire concept of Med'an so they did something right at least, and the Orcs were pretty good on their own. Gul'dan was fucking great.
Orcs aren't as heterogenous as EK mainland humans so they come in many sizes, ranging from Peon to Garrosh.
I mean she's an elf so technically she's a troll.
Blood and thunder!
>Garona being Medivh's daughter instead of lover was a strange change though
This is the one detail I've heard about the movie that I actually prefer. The Medivh/Garona thing was bullshit intended to spawn Mr.404 himself, and I like the idea of Garona as an actual half-human/half-orc and not a half-Draenei.
Lok'tar Ogar! Vengeance for Vol'jin!
>Also Orgrim is a Frostwolf why?
So they can call him the betrayer right away?
>the fel stuff was just an excuse
>Medivh brought over the Orcs because he gained a weakness for Orc women while traveling Draenor and wanted to get Azeroth their own stock
Watch out for the voodoo!
He's not called Orgrim the Backstabber in the movie, how is he even going to usurp Gul'dan now? They have no choice but to skip WC2, for better or worse, since none of it will make sense in context.
Garona+Medivh is still the worst ship, and in no small part due to it spawning the biggest Mary Sue this side of Rhonin.
Did they give Tyrandre a Jamaican accent for that reason?
FUCK
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...Shockingly accurate.
>Are you actually enjoying surrendering your cultural heritage, what the fuck you stupid fucks REEEEEEEEEEE
>trips
Gotta be true. New canon according to movie.
They're not abandoning their culture, they're finally embracing it.
You should try it some time.
They took away the fangs/sharp teeth? This is an outrage.
"We aren't breaking any laws officer"
Hey there.
>Movie was actually set in the HS universe
>Medivh just wanted a baller as fuck party with Orc strippers
Quite simply, actually.
>Gul'dan leads Horde to sack SW
>Clashes with Khadgar
>Knocks Gul'dan comatose, magically ages Khadgar into an old man instead of Medivh doing it, establishes bit of a rivalry between the two
>Grommash goes and finds Orgrim, tells him that they need a leader that can unite all the clans this time instead of emphasizing one
>Queue Doomhammer becoming Warchief and proper Grommash introduction, hopefully Doomhammer kicking Garona out on her ass
>To supplement the loss of Gul'dan, Ner'zhul opens the portal Draenor side through sacrificing the rest of the Shadow Council
>Proceeds to use their souls and make the first DKs, using the bodies of those killed around the Dark Portal in the first movie
>Move on with WC2 as written
>rest of the Shadow Council
Meant to say that he makes it appear that way, meanwhile Cho'gall and some others keep hidden.
Yes, expose more of that skin, cousin. I won't even have to teleport behind you this time.
Gul'dan reaches the Tomb of Sargeras alone without his clans. Doomhammer doesn't send off a third of his troops to kill him. How does the Alliance win the war?