>Where to play it online (replace spaces with dots): Jinteki net
Try "Why I Run", great for prospective Runners looking for a hands-on demo on how Running works (replace spaces with dots): www nagnazul com/whyirun/whyirun.html
Perhaps a mention of R&R on the next title might be prudent.
In the meantime, how have your Store Champs been so far?
Jordan Murphy
Came in second at my store champs; self-damage MaxX with By Any Means does work. And anyone who runs Titanium ribs is running too safe. Gotta mill your whole hand or nothing.
Speaking of SCs, it would have been nice if they had other prizes rather then FIS.
Wyatt Wood
R&R aside, what other announcements do you all hope will appear soon?
Juan Bell
getting back into this after a two year break, and trying to get some newbies into the game for the first time.
I'm guessing start off with revised, work into deluxe expansions for corps/runners they like, and go from there? I'm not sure how into deckbuilding of them is gonna be, but the dude would probably be okay just playing netdeck or otherwise pre-built stuff and tweaking it from there.
the cache refresh format looks pretty good for a limited format. any anons care to chime in on that as an intro for new players, rather than jumping straight into standard?
Justin Reyes
I'm a new player and after about a month of playing paper core 2 + TD I gave Jinteki.net a try and found standard incredibly overwhelming. Someone recommended I try Cache Refresh and I'm loving it. I still look at decks on nrdb first but thanks to the smaller cardpool I feel more confident in swapping cards and customizing the deck to one I'm comfortable with.
Joseph Sanchez
More spoilers, really.
Nathaniel Thompson
Its a good plan, just note that Cache Refresh uses only *1* Core Set, so there would be some surprising restrictions that would pop up in somewhat unexpected places.
But yeah, CR after core games is way less brutal when going into the deep end of the pool.
Wonder if those from the previous thread were legit?
>Wonder if those from the previous thread were legit? The criminal econ resource that tags you? Ye, it was legit, I've seen it from another source too.
When your turn begins, you may trash Rashida Jaheem to gain 3 credits and draw 3 cards.
Luis Carter
Yeah, those. They are legit.
Lincoln Robinson
I honestly don't know why any semi-decent crim card has far too low inf costs. From the looks of things, RT would be something tag-me Anarchs would LOVE to 'borrow' just like Account Siphon in a previous era.
Eh. I think 2 is fair here. It's not too strong, and can be trashed if you go tag-me and don't have a pavillion or dummy box down.
Ryder Lopez
Is it even any good for reg crims? Assuming non-tag-me, net 4 creds from 3 clicks (6 from RT, -2 to clear tag) doesn't seem all that efficient all things considered.
Perhaps in a Nexus/Citadel/PowerTap deck it might not be as meh, but still.
Jack Jackson
Citadel or Crash Space works. But honestly, I'm not a fan.
Easton Flores
Sounds good. Thanks anons.
How popular is CR? Searching just points to a one off format that FFG tries, and some unofficial Jinteki tournaments.
Chase Harris
The unofficial Jnet tourney is pretty active all things considered. As to how popular it is in meatspace, it's probably not quite as visible compared to standard pool unfortunately.
That being said, it does make a nice side event during major tourneys, particularly for those who didn't make the top cut.
Kevin Bennett
Would sound like something Sunny wouldn't mind importing if she is on Citadel. More burst econ would make her more dangerous for sure.
They really are legit. Also, Builder of Nations gets support for some reason but it's sorta just like a better Wall of Static anyway:
Masvingo - 3 rez - 2 influence (Weyland) - ICE: Barrier Masvingo can be advanced. When you rez Masvingo, place 1 advancement token on it. Masvingo gains “|-> End the run.” for each advancement token on it.
Josiah Reed
Oh woops - 3 strength.
Kayden Bell
I like the BoN bluff aspect. Funny one against derez decks, well depending on breakers: make me re-rez it, and It'll get increasingly costlier to break for you. Cute.
Adam Reyes
Tell us more!
(A superior, or at least permanent, Hive looks interesting.)
Jose Walker
>Rashida Jaheem
I really don't like the idea of that one, to be honest. "Must trash" assets are really hard to balance, but I'm thinking this isn't in the safe zone (I mean, just compare with Urban Renewal). Especially with runner 2.0 econ and cards like Econ Warfare and the Reprisal Ops released along. Might just be me though.
I didn't have any PU art; so I threw up some TT. Not many people expect PU to run Neural EMP. Or Economic Warfare for that matter.
I'm considering moving the By Any Means style deck to Valencia once Zer0 comes out; because it provides a little more stability in terms of consistent damage. And I'm also so tempted by throwing equivocation in there so I can mill even more cards.
Evan Cooper
>Magnum Opus is now restricted
What the actual fuck?
Robert Morgan
Goodbye shaper economy.
Christian Bennett
Tyrant but not utterly shite? Tell me more!
Also gives more reason for Morningstar - I'd be sad if I was playing it and was hit with that, but overall I'd be pleased.
Also you mentioned something about a bomb?
Benjamin Smith
So with shaper economy now trashed with the new restricted list and corp economy getting better thanks to cards like NGO Front, what effect will this have on the meta?
Blake James
Ice might actually matter for shapers, imagine that!
I really don't know right now, given I'm not up to date with the meta, but I like to think there's going to be what single core +TD seemed to be hinting at. More ICE firing. More instances of the runner having to make the choice of bitting the bullet and going through instead of paying. That being said, between NGO and Rashida Jaheem (if confirmed) there's something terrifying in the potential for the corp to dig in the econ advantage whatever the runner ends up doing (in before people discover Thomas Haas wasn't underpowered but just fairly balanced - which has historically been deemed "bad" in this game).
That being said "shaper econ trashed" seems like much of an overstatement to me. Put back on par with the rest of the runner econ seems more like it. At least at first hunch, will have to look at numbers.
David Allen
The thing of it is that my deck runs on mopus, with self-modifying code being used to fetch either that or my breakers. Now I have to commit almost certainly to using those to fetch mopus, and the odds of me getting fucked by lack of mopus are much higher.
Crims/Anarchs still have a functional engine that isn't going to fall apart because of a lack of one or two cards.
Jordan Foster
I have a very poor idea of the cartography of current meta, but do you think all Shapers run on MO? And do you actually think it *is* the only engine for the faction at large? Honest question, and I'd be interested in the rationale.
Jacob Bailey
No, but it's my primary engine and I'm salty as fuck about it.
Hunter Walker
Oh. Ok. Fair enough. Never pleasant when it happens.
Luke Campbell
Yep. My deck is weird because I run an AI as my primary breaker anyway. Being able to convert one action into breaking one subroutine was great economy for me.
In a world of multisub ice that sounds painful. Did you run some burst? I have the theory that MO on its own isn't fast enough, and needed support from burst econ to compensate the click intensive action.
Easton Hernandez
I have burst and small burst/draw. It's less painful when you factor in that Maven above strength 5 is competitive with Paperclip and I don't have to pay to install multiple pieces of ICE. Plus my deck has a lot of recurring credits.
I guess it’s nice if you main Jinteki and managed to get 3 sets of them for the central bit. The side ones seems superfluous.
Wyatt Martin
Kinda feels like a wasted opportunity to not have AA PU instead. Would have been way more appropriate.
Noah Brown
I bought a Core Set a few years back and never really got into the game since I couldn't find anyone to play it with. Are any of the cards in it worth selling?
Aiden Garcia
It's roughly as efficient as Armitage Codebusting if you use clicks to remove the tag, so regcrims are better off using that. Hopefully this means Crims are getting clickless tag removal this cycle.
Restricted only means you use Magnum Opus as your restricted choice, and can't use everything else (Film Critic, Aesop's, etc.). You can still include 3 copies of MOpus in your deck.
Ayden Clark
Oh. I thought it meant only one copy per deck. Well fuck, I can roll with that.
Isaiah Gutierrez
As Shaper you ‘could’ still go with 1 MO and would probably still be fine in most situations, especially if you can get it out fast.
Jose Powell
I run 3x build script, 3x deuces wild, 3x diesel, and 3x self-modifying code, so depending on your definition of fast then yes.
Jacob Ramirez
I wonder what kind of mind games you can do with mixing card art. >they access ice A in RnD >you install the alt art version >they're confident that you installed A >few turns later they run the server with the alt art >they start panicking because now they don't know where A is Not sure what kind of ice would get that reaction, but still.
Not really, since a lot of the cards have rotated. You could get the still legal cards and sell those to a new player that bought the revised core, but you wouldn't get much out of it probably.
John Bennett
Oh, good, yet another Weyland card invalidated by Paperclip due to it having an approximately-equal numbers of subroutines as strength.
Gabriel Peterson
3/1 Weyland Agenda ICE with the Barrier subtype may not be broken by an icebreaker with the Fracter subtype that has a higher strength than the encountered ICE.
Would push multisubs into relevancy again, maybe?
Oliver Murphy
The gold standard is still pretty much established by Kabonesa Wu (i.e. guaranteed T1 MO).
The only thing to worry about with just 1 MO are any sort of trash program thing, but at least there are SacCons for that.
Jaxson Cooper
PriCon that out and clippy has to pay 4+ (min 3+1 subs) to break a 3 cost ice. Not too shabby really, esp if it gets more advancements.
Sebastian Long
As per Ice Wall, isn't the whole point that you can adjust numbers, though?
Grayson Wright
Could be fun with this big bastard, especially if you PriCon him (or more likely Dedicate him, which I've found the overall utility is better unless you're building a super remote)
Seems like vanilla would be a god-tier card in the early game to force the runner to fetch his fracter at no cost, but would be useless except to tax the runner 1 credit every run afterwards.
Adrian Clark
Pretty much, it isn't uncommon for a deck to have like 3 Vanillas and no other Barrier just to force the Fracter install.
Anthony Russell
Pretty much the other main barriers being used are kakugo (and maybe chiyashi?) for jinteki, seidr adaptative barrier for HB, and whatever advancement stuff for Big W.
They being the least painful to facecheck probably isn’t helping their lack of popularity.
Levi Gonzalez
Too bad Quicksand and the doggo operation didn't gain popularity, I still have a version of my usual deck with it built.
Adam Cox
Is mind game a pretty solid piece of ICE? Seems like it puts a heavy tax on the runner both early and late game for cheap.
Jayden Lewis
Worst thing it could do is the runner guesses right during the psi game and lets them through (with the right ID, you may even gain a credit). Best thing it could do is redirect them to an unprotected 4 advanced Junebug server while they are completely unable to jack out due to a Whirlpool. So yes, it's pretty good.
Luis Perez
True. Can the runner ever risk playing the psi game as part of his strategy though? If he does it in the early game then he has a 2/3 chance of getting bounced to an irrelevant server or even a trap. Later in the game he has already paid the tax on running the other ICE and faces more ICE plus whatever trap might be on the server he's running. Seems like it remains useful no matter what point you play it at.
Ethan Allen
The runner could use it to their advantage by purposely failing, then jack out to put a depleted counter-based card like D4V1D, Earthrise, or Daily Casts to the bottom of their stack, so there's that. Definitely more bothersome to do if there are other ice in front of it, which maybe puts it somewhere as an early to mid game ice.
Adam Allen
True. They'd have to be running with a very specific set of cards though.
Carson Davis
That feeling of treason when teaching the game to your niece, and you discover she's a Shaper at heart.
Blake Morris
One of us, one of us, one of us!
Chase Turner
For an ICE suite for Jinteki: Personal Evolution I'm thinking:
Barriers: 3x Kakugo 2x Wall of Thorns
Code Gates: 3x DNA Tracker 3x Mind Game
Sentries: 3x Komainu 3x Chrysalis 3x Swordsman
On paper it sounds good, but something about it doesn't feel punchy enough. Komainu and DNA Tracker are my only real killers in the suite. Something about that for Jinteki just feels wrong.
Noah Rogers
You have way too much ice, and Wall of Thorns is shit.
Luke Long
Maybe I'll cut the wall. Still though, that's only like six ICE that can end or divert the run.
Alexander Brooks
Weakpoints here are probably Wall of Thorns (expensive), Chrysalis (rarely need 3), and Swordsman (not much better than a Chrysalis). For PE you usually want to deal enough damage that you can either finish the Runner off they finish the run. For that reason, consider swapping 2x Wall of Thorns, 1x Chrysalis, 2x Swordsman for defensive upgrades like Hokusai Grid and Breached Dome, or net damage agendas like House of Knives or Obokata. Also, maybe throw in Miraju in there if you have the space, since it'll help you protect centrals well.
Don't forget that "threatening death" is just as good an EtR as an actual one. If you are worried though, I'd cut down some of the 3x for cheap EtRs like Vanilla. Try to have a plan for where you'll be putting these ice and try to feel if you'll able to do that consistently.
Angel Watson
I think I might cut WoT, a Chrysalis, and a Swordsman for... how does Tori Hanzo along with Hokusai Grid sound?
Yeah, threatening death is a pretty solid deterrent.
James King
You want about 15 ice total. Swordsman is maaaybe a 1-of vs AIs. Tori is expensive, Hokusais are always good.
James Parker
I could slim it down to 16, but past that I feel a bit naked. Maybe just a few Hokusai Grids then.
Cameron Richardson
Persephone win. I love to pilot that. Oe of those "not competitive bit oh so neat to play" card.
Thomas Walker
For PE, it’s arguably better to have max hokusai rather then have 16+ ice. Tori can be meh though.
Jaxson Price
Is Glacier-style at all playable with just revised core?
The most taxing ICE is Toolbooth and Bioroids - which can be just clicked through. The lack of a pseudo-Jackson feels completely crippling.
Ash is nice but he's no Caprice - AND he requires you to be ahead of the runner in economy which is pretty hard to do in revised core.
Code Replicator is a strong card. It really screws with Security Nexus decks and it can't be Rumor Milled.
Julian Clark
Define playable? I haven't played single Core2.0 decks, but looking at the catd list, it doesn't seem to me any worse than Core 1.0 in that matter, for what it's worth. Hell it's probably better by sole virtue of no Noise. Not to mention the runner economy being tighter.
Adam Sullivan
>define playable
having a winrate comparable to that of non-glacier decks
Easton Taylor
The risk of flooding has always been there since Core 1.0.
However, given that you can’t win by pure FA, especially with 1core, glacier decks are pretty much the de facto play style, so yes they are certainly ‘playable’ in that regard. Even arguably slightly favored vs the runners.
Evan Diaz
There's no use trying to compare the performance of a deck made with a limited card pool with a deck made from an expanded pool. As for Glacier playstyle it's certainly doable, Strongbox, Ash, and the various bioroids all let you tick down the runner's clicks, and Stronger Together while weaker in an expanded setting, is decent in core only due to the inefficient breakers. Celebrity Gift, GLC, GRNDL Refinery, and Pop-up are all major boons for Corp econ as well.
Hunter Roberts
>There's no use trying to compare the performance of a deck made with a limited card pool with a deck made from an expanded pool.
Which I wasn't. I was comparing two limited card pool - single core vs single revised core.
>pretty much the de facto play style
That's why I was questioning the "playable" bit really. It's not as if rush or FA were in a much better position. You don't have the tools for hyper specialized builds. Which I'd say is a good thing. But to each their own.
