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Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Synergy edition

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Thread question
What's your favorite jank that's exclusively enabled by a single commander, and no other deck?

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PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

What's your favorite jank that's exclusively enabled by a single commander, and no other deck?
Most of the shit in Hapatra. I can't think of another deck where Nest of Scarabs is viable.

Nojokur
Nojokur

Thread Question
This boy is one of the very few ways to "cheat" Experience Counters in Kalemne. A mechanic they decided to give out like candy to nearly all of her counterparts.

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Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Winding Canyons went up $10 because the CommandZone guys talked about it in a podcast
THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Try the longbow if you already haven't, fellow Hapatrabro.

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TreeEater
TreeEater

I fucking love Hapatra, it's a shame I get hated out as soon as people see her because they're afraid I'm running Infect.

eGremlin
eGremlin

put decklist for new commander together
play test it a bit
lose all interest in build the deck irl

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BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Rude

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MPmaster
MPmaster

Blades of velisvel is only just useable in karrthus.

I've drawn it twice and cast it never. One day I'll pull it off

King_Martha
King_Martha

Someone who browses these threads actually has a Tabernacle
Shit mang I wish I had one. Although I'm content with the Cradle I got back in 2010 at GenCon for like $50.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Think of all the money you're saving.

Bidwell
Bidwell

That's not even a good reason to be scared of Hapatra. Persist combos or just overrunning with snakes are much more viable wincons with her.

tappedout.net/mtg-decks/warden-of-weenies/
Anyone mind helping with my new semibudget BR Grenzo list? I'd rather hold off on buying additional cards worth over $5 until I play with it more, but I've had my eye on Braid of Fire.

Emberfire
Emberfire

I used to have a Candelabra of Tawnos, but I traded it for a Polar Kraken because kid me didn't see why you would pay 1 mana to untap your lands that also give 1.

SniperWish
SniperWish

Cracked a foil Aether Vial in a pack last night (Target had packs of darksteel in one of those bundles)
should I sell it off or find a deck to put it in?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

veekyforums.com/thread/58458283/games pls I've made no progress on picking the general, but have on etbs

Thread question
Mono black ramp while milling thanks to Sakura tribe elder being in an opponents grave or exploiting my opponents sidisi so I can do it again and again and again without owning one

idontknow
idontknow

I still need get a paper deck I actually like playing so my weekly edh sessions don't feel like a waste of my time

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Sell it if you only play EDH, otherwise sell it and buy a non foil version.

FastChef
FastChef

You don't want to play Triad of Fates. The only other card that adds fate counters is Oblivion Stone. It's just too slow/unreliable and all the good creature untappers are blue or green. It's a cool card but a super weak general.

Athreos might be good for repeatedly casting creatures for value although most players will start paying the life before you can do anything too crazy. Otherwise, you can do Karador and just cast dudes out of your graveyard all day.

Flameblow
Flameblow

Alright Veeky Forums, it's time for me to build monogreen. I'm gonna get Freyalise signed or altered at GP Sydney.
I've been meaning to invest in a Doubling Season for a while, but what else would you include?
I'm mostly after unique-ish green effects. I really like the druid who steals lands so that's looking to be a tribal theme

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SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Trying to build a Reyhan/Vial smasher deck, any interesting ideas?

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idontknow
idontknow

Trying to build a Reyhan/Vial smasher deck, any interesting ideas?
don't play partners.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Are you asking for spicy tech, or are you asking to be pointed towards edhrec

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Spice, please. I try to make edhrec the last place I visit

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

edhrec is good, memes aside it's probably one of the best resources for edh in the last several years. Onto the Spice Rack:
Seedtime/Autumn's Veil
Yisan isn't spicy but is a goddamn powerhouse
Nature's Claim is the best card in your deck
Carpet of Flowers
Crop Rotation packages are always good

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hairygrape
hairygrape

Mycosynth Lattice lets you destroy basically anything with Freyalise.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

veekyforums.com/thread/58458283/games
try this

veekyforums.com/thread/58458283/games
that australian shipping

jesus

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DeathDog
DeathDog

Story time /edhg/
Finally convince my friends to play a game of edh with me
We decide that proxies are okay, since most of them don't have a collection
I built a sweet budget Red Neheb deck, only proxying a caged sun and a ruby medallion
The other guys arrive

Talrand Leviathans
"Okay, seem cool dude"
Kess storm
"Uh, isn't this a bit high power?"
Atraxa superfriends
Oh fuck right off

Kess gets hated out from a t2 isochron+demonic tutor
I get killed by a gigantic Leviathan
Somehow the talrand can't deal with the 4 walkers, go figure
We talked about me bringing my own brew too, what the fuck

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Proxies breed autism, unless your group agrees not to proxy unless you have the intent of buying the cards

Lunatick
Lunatick

Did you mean vampiric tutor? Demonic is a sorcery and cant be imprinted by Isochron

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

proxies breed autism
I dunno man, buying 8 copies of Top for my decks is pretty autistic.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Having 8 decks with top in it is worse.

5mileys
5mileys

having 8 decks with Top to begin with

likme
likme

Hydra tribal.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

See, there was another guy there who built a quirky fun time deck even though there were proxies.

If you are the kind of guy that's going to ignore your groups power level and go ham you are going to do it with or without proxies. You can still build a consistent turn 3-4 combo deck for $100 and crush your friends building shit like Leviathan tribal.

This is coming from a guy that builds low power $3,000 decks and encourages my opponents to proxy.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

unless they have the intent of buying the card

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

combat damage

Am I missing something?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Karador lets you double dip (or more) on etbs.

whereismyname
whereismyname

You give it to a snake token w/ deathtouch

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

last place I visit

That's stupid. Personal ideas first, then EDHREC for obvious stuff you forgot or didn't think of, THEN spice.
You can't just have a pile of spice, you gotta have the meat and potatoes.

MPmaster
MPmaster

Ye, that's the card.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Dear god don't listen to this user. If you play Mycosynth yuou need to win the game on the spot so as not to get Vandalblasted into oblivion. The card enables so much bullshit that it's incredibly dangerous to let sit on the board

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

ive had all my expensive cards since i was a child user

if it makes you feel any better theyre all pretty much heavy play

also trips

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

THE ONLY SOLUTION

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hairygrape
hairygrape

Trying to build a Noyan Dar deck, some suggestions?
(other than the Mirrorweave + Contested War Zone combo)

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PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

It's still pretty cool user. I'm not upset at all.

JunkTop
JunkTop

I hate how the Snake tokens with deathtouch are worth more than Hapatra herself.

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cum2soon
cum2soon

Cataclysmic Gearhulk

Snarelure
Snarelure

to arms!
replaces itself, creates a land, untaps your creature lands

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cum2soon
cum2soon

tappedout.net/mtg-decks/well-done-steak/?cb=1520861844

Anyone got advice on the v.0.5 of bolt and beef deck?

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Just got this in the mail. It's the Ultra Pro Deck Builder's Premium Binder.

You niggas interested in more pics or info?

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Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Yes please. Also how much did you pay?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

So I want to make an awaken EDH who's a good commander for having lands punch people?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Unfortunately I had to order it from Amazon Germany, and I still paid less than ordering from Italy, my country.
I paid €35, but you can get it for 29-30 if you're not abroad.

I can already tell you it's 35x33cm, it doesn't fit in a standard backpack like my Eastpack but it fits a slightly bigger backpack like my old school one (Seven/Invicta). I hoped it was a little bit smaller but whatever, I don't plan to bring it around.

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5mileys
5mileys

Genju of the realm if your friends are chill. Otherwise, Ramos? Angry omnath? Titania?

takes2long
takes2long

Why does it have bird shit on it?

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Booteefool
Booteefool

The fuck are you talking about?

takes2long
takes2long

I used to really like those guys now j fucking hate those chinks
Somewhere around the time of the first game knights they got far far too big for their britches

askme
askme

What bodily functions produced those stains on your binder?

Shit?

Vomit?

Faggot??

SniperGod
SniperGod

Good, thanks.
Also are Master of the waves and Faces of the past good enough for this type of deck to deserve a slot in it?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Your mums pusy last nite fggt

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

no enchantments
only lands
and tentacles

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Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Feel free to ask questions.

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Gigastrength
Gigastrength

The only infect card I run is Triumph of the Hordes

Techpill
Techpill

Well, there is at least one enchantment I must run

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TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Noyan is pretty fun to play

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TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Just picked up the 2014 Nahiri & 2017 Cat precons for $20 each, which direction should i take the two decks when combining/upgrading them?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Swords.

Snarelure
Snarelure

Some of the standard cats are really good, check some of them out.

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BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

161 cats edh legal
65 hounds edh legal
0 dogs

wow wizard, wooow.

MPmaster
MPmaster

Why are you so fucking gay?

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5mileys
5mileys

dogz r bad mmmkuay?

Flameblow
Flameblow

[angry dog noises]

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Spazyfool
Spazyfool

implying you ever need more than one hound
Isamaru is the best

girlDog
girlDog

Isamaru is a dong. I literally got killed with commander damage by this furbag. 3 swords equipped. R.I.P

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Savannah Lions depicts a pair
Isamaru is one dog who can match two lions
Best pup.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Thanks. Hows the pocket quality? Anything split?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

your binder has aids
Disgusting.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Same.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Hard to say right now, they haven't split yet but I need to put more cards inside. I'll report back later.

Where do all these underage shitposters come from?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

build some complete jank that looks fun but don't think you'll ever win with it
playtest against a real deck
get the nut draw and win on turn 4
Doubts obliterated.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

I'm just replying on the same level as you.

SniperWish
SniperWish

artifact spells are Historic once Dominaria hits
mfw learning that artifacts were originally meant to be cool old shit that got discovered during archaeological digs
Looking at Antiquities, that makes a lot of sense.

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StonedTime
StonedTime

I'll report back later.
Please do

askme
askme

magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/quite-rarity-2018-03-12
So, basically Imperial Recruiter should have been printed at rare. I don't know why they even care about making articles like these when it will boil down to "we will we do what is better monetary-wise", I'm not blaming them for wanting money, but please, be honest about it..

idontknow
idontknow

I wish I had Tabernacle, Chains and The Abyss. My Hanna needs Tabernacle and rest goes in extra jank, Abyss in Sapling reanimator (I have only Magus there) and Chains in the better Neheb

Methnerd
Methnerd

We need more magus of x prints.

Evilember
Evilember

I know how you feel. With all these newer sets(by newer I mean at least modern and newer), it feels like artifacts are just some rocks people made, or a walking robot. Not really artifacts by the definition of the word "typically an item of cultural or historical interest.".

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Proxies breed autism, unless your group agrees not to proxy unless you have the intent of buying the cards

This, in our group we proxy:
janky or expensive cards we want to try out first.
cards that are looking to buy/are in the mail.
expensive ($10+) that we own and use in multiple decks

having 8 decks with Top to begin with

not having a suit of cards that you include in every decks.
Is it going to trigger your autism if I told you that I too play sensei's divining top in every deck I own, along side sol ring, thaumatic compass, temple of false god, command beacon, strip mine, wastelands, maze if Ith, homeward path and reliquary tower. :^)

WebTool
WebTool

Reflections in the plastic covering the binder
some anons need their vision checked.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Isamaru + "historic matters" = aww yea

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

The glare from the plastic makes it look dirty, I would assume. I didn't realize that it was wrapped and I thought you bought a heavily used binder from a hobo or something

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Any budget idiot-proof win cons for UW other than Approach of the Second Sun?

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kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Jesus christ, the attention span of the people here is abysmal.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

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Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Atraxa superfriends isn't even that strong. Kess Storm is by far the strongest deck between the ones you mentioned.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Any budget idiot-proof win cons for UW other than Approach of the Second Sun?
Pic related and some proliferation. I like Tezzeret's Gambit.

Also Rest In Peace and Helm of Obedience. It's fucking dirty though people won't be happy to die to it.

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CodeBuns
CodeBuns

expecting people to read all replied to your blogpost

Illusionz
Illusionz

Want jank?

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Lunatick
Lunatick

If you're commenting on the picture I would at least expect you to look at it first.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

I did. First time I thought it was dirty, but I thought again since no one would buy such a thing and realized it was wrapped

SniperGod
SniperGod

Rest In Peace and Helm of Obedience
Goddamn that cancer, why did you have to remind me of that

WebTool
WebTool

you're the binder user in the other thread
I told you those wouldn't fit in an eastpack. Mine is a 3x3 and barely fits.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

you're the binder user in the other thread
What other thread?
I don't really care, it fits another backpack and I don't have a real reason to bring the binder around with me.

Booteefool
Booteefool

What's the deal with this one? I realize that it exiles target opponent's library for 1 mana, but it doesn't win the game, unless you have ways to untap it. So it's 7 mana "exile target player's library". I just don't see what's the big deal.

likme
likme

What's the deal with this one?
I realize that it exiles target opponent's library for 1 mana

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

it exiles target opponent's library for 1 mana

RavySnake
RavySnake

There was an user around a month ago that asked that exact same thing, he wanted to buy those 3x4 binders, but he didn't know if it would fit his eastpack.

StonedTime
StonedTime

exile opponent singular mana

JunkTop
JunkTop

Can someone take a look at my deck?
The table is pretty casual, I always have trouble knowing how many rocks/lands to include.

tappedout.net/mtg-decks/rakdos-staxdos/?cb=1520948520

It's really not stax anymore

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

thats not jank thats 8 mana win the game in any deck that actually wants to play it

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

So it's 7 mana "exile target player's library". I just don't see what's the big deal.

Contrast with Door to Nothingness.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Yeah, I get it, but it still implies that the rest of the opponents sit a thumb in their bottoms and not do anything. Sure, the people might not always be able to do anything about it, but the abundance of removal and tutors in the format makes this just a 7 mana kill target player, assuming that no one has instant speed removal or counterspells at that point, which seems like a thing that happens once when planets align.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

usually you want 34-36 lands and 10-12 ramp spells that are cmc 3 or less
your Avg. CMC is 3.13 thats pretty low, you could def get away with 34 lands and 10 ramp.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Where you get the additional mana? 4 mana for helm, 1 to activate and 2 for RiP or 0 if you play Leyline of the Void. There's also still 2 more players, so you don't win.
Fair enough, but if the player happens to have a draw replacement effect such as Abundance, he can still win without his library.

Flameblow
Flameblow

but if the player happens to have a draw replacement effect such as Abundance, he can still win without his library
Oh yeah, they JUST need to have a very specific and narrow type of effect already in play AND have enough resources currently on the board and in their hand to win, no biggie

Illusionz
Illusionz

Not him, making a player lose and winning the game are very different effects on a multiplayer game, especially if you have to wait for your next turn until you can make another player lose.

takes2long
takes2long

Yeah, it was me. That would have been a plus but whatever, I just want to order my best cards.

Firespawn
Firespawn

So we assume that the other player has the combo out on turn 3 the least and other players play with decks that are similar power level? That still says that tutors are abundant, everyone runs the best counterspells and removal. In high level play everyone knows to pack answers to artifacts, enchantments and non-permanents.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

nice thanks, another question: if my win con is picking people off with the X-cost burn sorceries, is it worth it to include mana doublers like bubbling muck/mana geyser, as well as tomb/coffers?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Post commanders with good art and actually interesting abilities.

Fun fact about this challenge. You literally can't do it with any multicolored commander.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

I'm trying to build a mono red control deck, but I'm a little bit lost as to what to do. I know I want to use fork effects, double mana with gauntlet of might, but i dont think its viable. Anyone have any examples of a good mono red control list?

MPmaster
MPmaster

I wish Vial Smasher's art wasn't such a hideous piece of crap.

girlDog
girlDog

absolutely!!
dont forget to bring some copy effects like fork or pic related as well.
they are great for the finishers but also allow you to double up on other things like a casual night's whisper or something a little more sinister

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w8t4u
w8t4u

she's a beautiful lady

hairygrape
hairygrape

what lies

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Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Oh I like that! Thanks user

Snarelure
Snarelure

They are an enchantment and an artifact, both at very low cost, they require only a single colored mana, very easy to tutor for them and cheat them into play, the others need to have a quick answer to that (so instant destruction of the first piece hitting the field or a counter or a Stifle) since the moment the helm hits the field it's GG for at least one player, if there is more than one opponent there are too many ways to untap an artifact to count, there are also more ways to make them come back into play that there are stars in the sky, if it is black it is a turn 1-2 win if you have the leyline in your opening hand.
It is a completely uninteractive, too easy to cast and recur combo and requires other players to have always the mana open for a particular, specific answer, really cancer.

DeathDog
DeathDog

multicolored
patreon of the memes

JunkTop
JunkTop

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PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Do proxies but still with a value limit. Like you've each got a budget of X$ to "spend" on proxies.

whereismyname
whereismyname

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Spazyfool
Spazyfool

In what way does patron of the moon disprove the fact that multicolored legends may have wonderful art or wonderful rules, but never both?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

tg
literate
pick one

Spamalot
Spamalot

Boring anti-interactive rules.

happy_sad
happy_sad

how dare you insult best waifu?!

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lostmypassword
lostmypassword

just read it again

wow I'm retarded

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

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TreeEater
TreeEater

If I'm running a big boy creature deck that has blue is there a reason not to run omniscience- enter the infinite as a combo?
It just seems like an always win for any deck with blue and lots of permanents

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Boring art, and a legitimate rules nightmare only used by spikes in sheep's clothing that enjoy actual cheating.

SniperGod
SniperGod

Boring art
shit taste senpai

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

if the player happens to have a draw replacement effect such as Abundance, he can still win without his library.
This is true, but not a lot of those see play (In fact, I can't recall the last time I saw one) and being stuck with no new resources is still going to be a death sentence for most decks, especially with GYs gone, even if they have the Island Sanctuary or whatever to survive for a few rounds.

Plus, since no creature was yarded, Helm sticks around to nuke another library every turn or every time you can untap it. It's not the most efficent win in EDH, but it would be foolish to disregard it as an effective combo kill, especially when it can be executed in any W/X or B/X.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Sure, but this still requires a nut hand. For ways to untap artifacts, I remember Voltaic key, Clock of omens and Rings of brighthearth. There's no way that there's consistent ways to win that early, and if so, we still have to make the assumption that players play with equally powered decks. There's also Unwinding clock, but that's way too slow and jank for competitive magic.

TechHater
TechHater

Something something jews. I can't even be bothered to shitpost now. It's just sad.

Illusionz
Illusionz

Fun fact about this challenge. It's complete fucking garbage because it's just personal opinions and you can just shitpost greentext at whatever people post just so you can keep being "right".

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Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Where you get the additional mana? 4 mana for helm, 1 to activate and 2 for RiP or 0 if you play Leyline of the Void. There's also still 2 more players, so you don't win.
what?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Most accurate appearance to an actual Egyptian god
One of Dimir's most interesting commanders
Has Invocation alt art for maximum ominous

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Bidwell
Bidwell

so after magic inevitably fails in the near future, will you continue playing edh?

Inmate
Inmate

Obviously Halimar Tidecaller.
Genju of the fields/falls.
Patron of the Moon.
A lot of Moonfolk too to play around landfall or things like that.
Planar Birth, Sacred Ground, Terra Eternal, Consecrate Land.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

implying

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Skullbone
Skullbone

Probably, with custom cards to spice things up.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

The King of Jank himself
Art perfectly communicates his smugness, and all the atributes of a lore character long denied his place in the pantheon of Legendary Creatures
Composed from the PoV of Lord Ith, giving a story to the piece and a sense of power to Mairsil.
In an era ruled by a morass of dark foils and muddy print jobs, the work for his foiling is excellent. See a physical copy, the ruby ring that would haunt the storyline for several books 'pops' perfectly despite being so small.

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Firespawn
Firespawn

Don't see the problem with that second one. The challenge wasn't just about multicolor.

FastChef
FastChef

Not to mention his ability is flavorful and thematically fitting.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

sheeit
just goes to show
tg
literate

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SomethingNew
SomethingNew

The original post literally only mentions multicolor legends in the second half. The first part only asks about commanders in general, you illiterate claude.

Playboyize
Playboyize

Who care about "accurate appearance to an actual egyptian god"? This is a fantasy setting, not a historic one. I'd rather have good designs. He looks fucking goofy.
His ability is great though.

SniperWish
SniperWish

ok see this is what i mean
im admitting im wrong but you cant even read

WebTool
WebTool

Same desu

I like brewing way more than I like playing I think.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

What does jank even mean at this point? Is he overpowered and people are just salty? Or is it chaos-deck tier?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

This is, objectively speaking, the best art and best rules on a multicolored commander.

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StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

He's a 60% commander. It's often speer to just win with the junk you exile by casting the junk instead.

Illusionz
Illusionz

My mistake, but your post made it hard to understand who you were insulting. Nothing about it indicated whether you meant me or who I was replying to.

Soft_member
Soft_member

jank even mean at this point
same thing it always meant
using a rube goldberg machine to make a race of sentient lightbulbs instead of getting up and flipping the lightswitch

Bidwell
Bidwell

but this still requires a nut hand
Not much, only if you want a first turns win. The problem is that it is too easy to tutor for them, wait for the right moment and then combo right away. There is a reason this combo is played a lot in Zur and Merieke decks (and another reason to hate them).
Also remember how easy is to make low mana cost cards/artifacts return from the graveyard.
The major problem I said it is not because it is a fast combo that can technically win in one turn in the first turns, but because it is cheap, boring, too easy to tutor, play and recur, repeatable at little cost, and with very little "real" answers, like exile of one of the pieces. And even then you can have Leyline if they remove your RIP and Grindstone as a substitute of the Helm.

I always liked this art.
Also made a nice tribal Hydra deck with this bad girl.

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lostmypassword
lostmypassword

How does this guy win? I know there's some shit with Quicksilver Elemental but I'm not 100% on how that goes off

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Quicksilver elemental is used to give him all the abilities he has, which gets around 1/turn restriction on abilities. Gilded lotus + untap is generally used as a mana generator, which you can then sink into whatever.

Supergrass
Supergrass

View from Above

What does jank even mean at this point?

It means he makes great use of cards that wouldn't really work in any other deck. For example, Noyan Dar with View from Above.

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VisualMaster
VisualMaster

View from Above
paradoxengine.card
i fucking hate magic

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

You can also give the bow to a wither/infect creature to make more snakes.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Phew, that was hard.

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Inmate
Inmate

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kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

I agree it's really cool, but
precon
So close.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Hate the Paradox Engine, not the cards that enable it.

Flameblow
Flameblow

Hey guys, does Eerie Interlude permanently exiles tokens? Or do they get back into the battlefield along with the other creatures?

RavySnake
RavySnake

You're playing UW. If you can't protect a RIPHelm until one guy is out of a library you probably need to deck build better.
Abundance does stop them decking, but it also means that if you're rocking W and can't blow up Enchantments you need to change your deck too.

UWx is the best way to do RIPHelm, because it protects the combo, has great untap effects, and attacks the prevention of decking so well.

It's even got LabMan if you wanna do it to yourself.

Mana doublers are always worth it, they help you have more explosive turns when you need it.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Didn't think about the Genjus.
The other are already in the decklist.

Already in it, thanks.
great use of cards that wouldn't really work in any other deck
Yep, one thing I love about Noyan is that cards like pic related become absolutely busted.

Is Pyramids good for this deck?

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CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Permanent. If tokens leave the battlefield at all, they disappear. The only thing that gets around this is phasing because they aren't actually leaving.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

i know...

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

The only reason thats bad is that a foil doesn't exist. Since it's a Terese Nielsen card WotC is contractually obligated to make it a judge foil, just a matter of time.

happy_sad
happy_sad

My main problem with precon commanders is that they raise the chances of a mirror match, and I hate EDH mirror matches with a passion.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

I always found Pyramids too expensive, but give it a shot. Ended up replacing mine with Darksteel Garrison.

Here's some more fun weirdness.

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SomethingNew
SomethingNew

While I run Sydri, I sincerely doubt you'll get into a mirror with her more often than facing down Sharuum or Breya.

hairygrape
hairygrape

So you can pop off his abilities as many times as you want with Quicksilver?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Good point. Breya has replaced most esper artifact decks at this point. I've actually wanted to build Sydri for a while. Anything spicy?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Caltrops

girlDog
girlDog

I already knew about that one. It seems like a great way to play against creature decks, but is there anything else that gets way better with her ability outside of that and Reservoir?

farquit
farquit

Neheb.
He's not control in a traditional sense, but run all the land destruction, mana rocks and doublers, damage based spells, and fireballs

Emberburn
Emberburn

Kazuul warmongering is fun. More politics than control though.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Someone answer, omniscience -enter the infinite in my ramos deck, yes or no?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

its your deck bro

FastChef
FastChef

One that I like but I don't see much is Renowned Weaponsmith, he ramps artifacts and can search for 2 artifacts that deals damage.

Kusari-Gama, Staff of Nin, and Ballista Charger are pretty cool too. I like vehicles with her in particular because she gives you an alternative "crew".

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Well would it be good or should I just use genesis wave since I have lots of mana anyway?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Now that's what I'm talking about, user!

Inmate
Inmate

Mad you didn't think of the obvious choice first?

RavySnake
RavySnake

Would Monastery Mentor be a good commander if he was legendary? He's one of my favorite creatures but I always wondered.

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Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

He'd be interesting, but he'd be much better if he were Jeskai or at least WR.

takes2long
takes2long

Well, he enables a lot of draw for white, but white doesn't have that many great noncreature spells to cast.

Soft_member
Soft_member

The colour most focused on Enchantments and Equipments doesn't have great noncreature spells

FastChef
FastChef

Look at this smug shit.

Unique playstyle for Azorius that isn't draw-go-stax-bdsm
Doesn't pay no taxes
Not green, so entire deck is jank
fun
Half the time he's a token, so the art can be whatever you want it to be.

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viagrandad
viagrandad

I think the idea is that you want to be playing multiple per turn to get a bunch of tokens and buff them or liquidate them into cards with Skullclamp. There aren't many good low-cost enchantments and equipment that you'll want to fill your deck with.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Never played him, but I love playing against him. Friend of mine uses him for equipment voltron/control. Play Living Weapon cards, suit them up, and send them in.

TreeEater
TreeEater

I've gotten a kick out of Phyrexian Colossus for dumb timmy times. Since I run a lot of artifact creatures, Skeleton Shard is pretty badass. Gate to the Aether seems kind of hug-ish but in my deck there are literally 6 whammies, most people run way more spells than that. And it beats down pretty good.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Guess I'm building Sydri now. Time to build a robot army!

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

wizards stop fucking up my shit format REEEEEE

takes2long
takes2long

Is there any reason to run pic related instead of almost any black general if i want to cast or win with big X spells?

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Nojokur
Nojokur

black and red are different colors thats a pretty good reason to run one or the other

Illusionz
Illusionz

He makes big mana on his own without having to rely on getting your Urborg/Coffers setup going. He's also fun.

askme
askme

Nice.
Also, am I right in thinking pic related is basically an anthem for awakened lands?

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kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

veekyforums.com/thread/58442978/games
Extort was "allowed" in mono black or mono white decks because it didn't violate any rules of commander. There wasn't any exception being made.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

How fucking OLD are Jaya Ballard and Jodah? Weren't they both around during the Ice Age?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Yes, anthem and hoser

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

time magic
i aint gotta explain dick

Playboyize
Playboyize

There really is, because the whole argument is false. Extort's rule text in the official rules has color symbols in it. Any card with extort printed as a keyword on it incorporates color symbols.

Evilember
Evilember

Does that mean 3Ball is only a mono-black card?

DeathDog
DeathDog

What is the best Elspeth for a token deck?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

So I'm new to the format, and I have this in my collection. What are some good budget lands to have in a deck with Teysa?

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Need_TLC
Need_TLC

?

5mileys
5mileys

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Evilember
Evilember

No. Reminder text is not rules text. Look up the rules text for extort. 702.100

Soft_member
Soft_member

good budget lands
anything that doesnt enter tapped is usually what you want
although teramorphic expanse, evolving wilds, and any relevant panoramas are also decent, upside of the pans is that they tap for mana the turn they come in and can be cracked at the end of a turn if you have nothing better to do with the mana
tainted field is good and cheap
command tower obvi
i like bounce lands but they enter tapped and that can be kinda bad depends on your meta and how much they like stripmine
run a lilliana of the dark realms and or land tax and you can start putting utility lands in too unless you really NEED to have coffers and or emeria the skyruin

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

903.4bReminder text is ignored when determining a card’s color identity. See rule 207.2.
207.2. The text box may also contain italicized text that has no game function. >207.2a Reminder text is italicized text within parentheses that summarizes a rule that applies to that card. It usually appears on the same line as the ability it's relevant to, but it may appear on its own line if it applies to an aspect of the card other than an ability.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Irrelevant.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Man I don't fuckin know I'm just gonna keep playing Ghast in Chainer

girlDog
girlDog

the actual rules spelling out why it's allowed are irrelevant
Oh?

happy_sad
happy_sad

Jodah's effectively immortal, but Jaya was mostly a normal person. She's old as fuck now, but something's probably funny about it.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

God I'm so happy I bought a set of these before they tripled in price

JunkTop
JunkTop

iirc, Jodah fell into a fountain of youth and became immortal, while Pre-mending 'walkers, such as Jaya, do not age (the same reason as to why Freyalise was also in Ice Age and in Time Spiral story). After the mending, 'walkers began to age again

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Irrelevant to the argument you moron. Try reading again. I am not talking about reminder text. I am talking about the actual rules for extort.

askme
askme

We need a monoblack version of this guy that does the same but instead of giving mana, he draws cards for each point life lost

lostmypassword
lostmypassword


Irrelevant to the argument you moron. Try reading again. I am not talking about reminder text. I am talking about the actual rules for extort.

The rules text for extort that sheldon and his group of morons continue to ignore. I know what the actual accepted rules for edh are and how extort doesn't convey color identity for most groups. But those rules as dictated by the retard committee are incorrect if you look at the actual principals of color identity and the specific rule involved. The reasoning that shekeldon and Papa spunk have supplied is bad.

Techpill
Techpill

oh god no

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

That would be ridiculously, insanely broken.

FastChef
FastChef

i can't back up my argument so I'm going to say that the person calling me out is a moron.
Extort is a keyword. It has reminder text. Reminder text is not relevant to color identity. The rules of the game and any judge will back this up.

JunkTop
JunkTop

Rules text is the non-italicized text on a card. Extort's rules text is just "Extort". The rules then define what that means

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

You know that draw is much more powerful and expensive than adding 1 mana, right? There is a reason why Dark Ritual is allowed, but Ancestral Recall is banned everywhere.

farquit
farquit

You know that extort keyword is just extort without any other symbol, right?

happy_sad
happy_sad

Extort is a keyword. A keyword has rules text. Rules text is relevant to color identity.

takes2long
takes2long

Literally the only good Sultai card ever. And it's the best Magic card. Kek.
It's not right, he's exactly the Commander I would have played.

TreeEater
TreeEater

No, keywords have reminder text. This ruling comes straight from WotC.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

This is an actually relevant counter argument. Good job reading.

However it is still incorrect. Keywords are shortcuts for the rules text of the keyword.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

the only good Sultai card ever
what is tasigur?
Also, Sidisi and Mimeoplasm are easily on good or better.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Even if I accept that the rc is correct about the interpretation of the rules as stated, I don't accept that it would be hard to fix. Modifying their retarded rules interpretation to my correct one would eliminate extort cards from mono black and mono white decks without causing any collateral damage. It would easily solve the problem, and the fact that it hasn't been solved makes me thing someone in the retard committee has a crypt ghastly in a Kokusho deck and likes it where it is.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Ancestral recall dindu nuffin. #freeancestralrecall
I wasn't being serious, but with the amount of retards here and in /ccg/, it's hard to distinquish the serious people from the jokes.

Evilember
Evilember

It's been explained to you several times why you're wrong.

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SniperGod
SniperGod

This is an actually relevant counter argument
Because you are retarded who cannot read a card.
Also, how about you backup that statement of yours with actual rules of the game instead of just spouting bullshit?

TechHater
TechHater

I have cited rules user, the actual extort rules. It's clear at this point that you've never read them

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

"Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company."

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

/edh/ is generally pretty good at parsing out busted shit.

Lunatick
Lunatick

Modifying their retarded rules interpretation to my correct one
both the rc and wizards of the coast is wrong and i am right

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Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Rules text is reminder text, unless you actually mean the rules as in 702.100, which have absolutely nothing to do with colour of the card. Same applies to reminder text, which is supposed to remind you what the card does and your argument would make Trinisphere a black card by identity.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Yes, like the constant discussion about what cards should be banned or unbanned shows.
Fair enough, but I think we're beyond redemption already.

Methshot
Methshot

user, the rules have been provided to you that show you're wrong. You posted the rules number for the keyword that is extort. You haven't proven anything.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

I have cited rules user,
Tell me then what rules say that
Keywords are shortcuts for the rules text of the keyword.
There is a difference between rules text, reminder text and rulings, that are written on the comprehensive rulebook. There is also errata, or do you think that all that is rules text?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Rules text is rules text user. Glad to know though that you think the rules that define how flying works as a keyword are just optional reminders. Imma go block ventilation clique with a squirrel now.

DeathDog
DeathDog

the constant discussion about what cards should be banned or unbanned
That's one fuckwit who keeps posting the same question. Ignore it.

Nojokur
Nojokur

They aren't optional reminders, they're just reminders. They have no baring on color identity. The rules as put forth by WotC say so.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

I am correct, but people whose game I'm playing are wrong
There's no way to modify the rules to your liking and attempting so would just create more confusion. It was bad enough that Sheldor would want off-colour fetches banned, which by the way have no colour or colour identity.

cum2soon
cum2soon

reminding how an ability works makes the ability optional

askme
askme

trying to explain the weird-ass interaction with creature Karn's ability and Nim Deathmantle
Why do I bother?

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massdebater
massdebater

rules text

you keep using that word, user. I do not think it means what you think it means

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

No, it's not about who asks the question, the ones who answer to the question are the retards, which is apparent from the cards they want banned or unbanned.
It's a good question, but it shits up the thread, because retards want retarded shit off the list or on the list.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Why is the MTGO banlist for absolute babies?
Back to basics banned
Humility Banned
Pre ordain/Ponder/Brainstorm banned
fucking MOAT is banned
Mind twist is banned
STRIP MINE IS BANNED

Holy shit my ultimate fear is that one day the mtgo banlist will become THE banlist

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

She's a pretty subpar mono green elf general. Use Ezuri or the Lord of Leaves. Ezuri is a win condition in your command zone and the Lord gives your shit shroud.

Make sure you pack the deck with enough recursion as possible. Elves fold to board wipes.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

hurr durr Swirling Spriggan is a Sultai card

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Need_TLC
Need_TLC

What's the thing here? The dying creatures just return to the battlefield, but you can't attach ND to the creature?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

It would if the rules text of extort in 702 was actually reminder text user. We've never been talking about the reminder text printed on the cards, try to keep up.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

As an MTGO player I don't think any of those are banned in multiplayer commander, I don't really know the duel commander banlist though.

takes2long
takes2long

It depends, is it 1v1 or multiplayer? Because some of those I see a reason being banned in 1v1. No worries though, I doubt that non-problem cards become banned ever.

Bidwell
Bidwell

Pretty much. They're more thrown off by the fact that I can reanimate the artifact creatures with Deathmantle, since they die but it looks like they're just artifacts when they hit the yard.

massdebater
massdebater

I guarantee that this retard thinks he should be able to play Spitting Image in non-blue decks.

Inmate
Inmate

Creatures can't be attached to creatures. Making nim death mantle a creature means it falls off anything it's equipped to.

Emberburn
Emberburn

That looks like UG to me.
all text should be considered and that should be a 5-colour card because of it's flavor text

Evilember
Evilember

Incorrect. Also impossible to logically arrive at that conclusion based on the rules I've laid out. Cuck.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Are you legitimately retarded? Nobody in this discussion is talking about flavor text.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

let me explain, user:

what's written in the comprehensive rules IS NOT RULES TEXT. It is effectively reminder text to explain what an ability does

RULES TEXT is the non-italicized text in a text box. Commander only cares about this, not what is written in the comprehensive rules as, again, that's effectively just reminder text

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

You know that what is written on the comprehensive rules is not rules text, right?

"Rules text defines a card’s abilities. It is contained within the text box and is not italicized like reminder text or flavor text."

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

It wouldn't fall off, since it can't be attached to begin with.
This I can understand why someone could get confused, but there's no depth other than ND giving each of your creatures a death trigger effectively.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Literally the only good Sultai card ever
imagine being this dumb

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Keywords incorporate by reference the comprehensive rules. That's how keywords function anons.

Even if this wasn't the case, it would be easy enough to change the color identity rules to make it so and eliminate the stupid extort cards in mono colored decks.

farquit
farquit

They call ir comprehensive rules, but it's a bad name, since a lot of people don't seem to comprehend them

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

It's not right, he's exactly the Commander I would have played.
That's why it's great that he is banned.

likme
likme

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Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Next banlist announcement
Sheldon sits at his keyboard, tears streaming down his face from his last game night
"This next banning, we feel will be for the better of the format. Day of Judgement, Wrath of God, Damnation, Route, Terminus, are being added to the banlist. Players like playing creatures, and having them removed before they can attack a player who has islands in play is not a healthy environment for the format. We found 4cmc for a hard reset button to be too strong without having a serious downside. Not banned, but on watch are Bontu's Last Reckoning, Torment of Hailfire, pyroclasm, and Mutilate."

Firespawn
Firespawn

How consistent is he? With mono black i get magus, crypt ghast, and bubbling muck on top of the same mana "doubling" artifacts red Neheb would have to play. Treasonous ogre is the only red creature that helps with mana. Are rituals worth running? Sorry for the questions, i just keep flip flopping between Neheb and mono black

Flameblow
Flameblow

There's plenty of good Sultai cards, user. Pic relates for example

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DeathDog
DeathDog

I would probably have to beat him up.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

throwing an autistic fit and demanding that the rules be changed because someone paid 1 mana and made you lose 1 life
Sad

Supergrass
Supergrass

Honestly surprised it hasn't happened yet. The fact that painter's servant is banned for its interaction with grindstone removes all legitimacy from the ban list.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

It was bad enough that Sheldor would want off-colour fetches banned, which by the way have no colour or colour identity
I'm on your side in the first respect but this is a fair point to make. Fetches are prohibitively expensive and there's nothing wrong with trying to add a rule to make decks cheaper if it doesn't limit deck-building options. Obviously it did limit options so it that rule want introduced, which is also fine.

Really the fault lies with WotC having a shit reprint policy. Gotta preserve that "reprint equity"! (even though they could print the 50 most-played rares every year and the top decks would still cost over a thousand dollars)

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

This looks like the Predator.
Another card added to my /mtg sexy/ folder.
what is tasigur?
A teenager's wet dream? Just ordered two.

Meh cards. Leo is on a totally different level and I will never be able to play it. Sad.

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haveahappyday
haveahappyday

pyroclasm
not anger of the gods
Dude, phyrexian reclamation exists, but you can't get cards back from exile. There should be a rule that says that you can pay 1 mana to return an exiled cars to your hand.
Yawgmoth's will quadruples in price

Bidwell
Bidwell

Quicksilver Elemental doesn't work like that, look it up.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

keywords do not reference the comprehensive rules, its the other way around. Keywords function implicitly in the game, and the rules then explain to a player those actions.

As far as changing color identity, its actually kind of difficult. If you include reminder text, then suddenlt trinisphere is black. It would be hard to state in rules terms

RavySnake
RavySnake

Actually it should be 5-color, idiot.

eGremlin
eGremlin

What keywords do is defined by the comprehensive rules. Thru don't actually have rules text themselves. So, as everyone has explained several tonnes while also including the accrual rules, you are just straight up wrong.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

What are some universal staples for tribal-focused creature-heavy decks?

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Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

path of ancestry

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

I don't think that off colour fetches should be banned, since they're not really required unless you play competitively. I agree on the reprint policy though, I really don't understand why would WotC kiss ass of collectors, instead of reprinting stuff assloads and therefore making every format more accessible. Instead they bump up former rares to mythics only because of their price.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Any card whose rule text includes a keyword, the rules for which include colored mana symbols, inherits the appropriate color identity.

Not hard.

likme
likme

Maybe this, if you're in green

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Methnerd
Methnerd

Pubes on your keyboard were a nice touch.

Scatter your sleeveless cards randomly into an open box, like a real man. They're not worth shit.

SniperWish
SniperWish

Sure it does. It gives Mairsil another instance of each ability he already has, which can be used again every time Quicksilver elemental's ability is used.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

The rules for mana cost mentions every single color of mana, so any card with mana cost in it is actually 5c according to that user.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

903.4b Reminder text is ignored when determining a card’s color identity. See rule 207.2.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Except that's literally not how it works, explained by the rules.

Not hard.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

door of destiny

MPmaster
MPmaster

sultai charm is probably one of the best charms made

King_Martha
King_Martha

You don't even know the normal rules of the game, and you want to make a modified version because you don't understand the normal ones? Fucking learn to play the game first.

happy_sad
happy_sad

I was responding to the part of his post saying that it would be hard to get rid of extort by changing color identity.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Is it just me or is there one person in every thread arguing something that is clearly stated in the rules?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

This probably and Call to the kindred for blue

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ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

not even worth playing in charms.dek
its a bad card

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

They are usually not that stubborn.

hairygrape
hairygrape

one retard consistently getting told he's wrong by the rest of the thread
doubles down and refuses to listen
Been a while since we've had a solid entry into the Great Big Book of /edh/ Fuck-Ups

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Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Can't use pay U to use Quicksilver to gain Mairsil's abilities? You can only use them once each (which is a bullshit rule) but you can pay U again to get another use. The combo needs to produce U to make it infinite.

SniperGod
SniperGod

fuck you

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

I don't think there's a single card other than extort that would be changed by this rule. Can anyone?

Methshot
Methshot

It's one of the worst. There's plenty of good charms excluding the monocoloured ones

Methnerd
Methnerd

the card draw is bad
the removal is bad
3 mana and the only reliable use it has is to destroy target artifact or enchantment.
ouch

Skullbone
Skullbone

If you consider Leovold to be "good" then everything else can't be good by default.
Still not right.

SniperWish
SniperWish

3Ball

eGremlin
eGremlin

What keywords does transpire have, retard-kun?

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

looting in a color combination that wants to loot
bad
artifact/enchantment destruction
bad
monocolored creature destruction
bad

simply door to nothingness yourselfs lads

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

transpire
What the fuck do you think 3Ball is

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Ah, thought you meant you only had to use QE's ability once. You are correct.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

thread question

I don't know if this counts, but I love the fact that Edric, Spymaster of Trest wins off cards that would otherwise be shitty in EDH, like flying men.

idontknow
idontknow

Your pubes are straight?
Those are cat hairs.

Emberburn
Emberburn

It's a mediocre effect stapled to a card with bloated cmc

SniperGod
SniperGod

name one good charm that is better than sultai charm

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Mental Misstep your addition

StonedTime
StonedTime

Not him, but
that curly shit
straight

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

canon entries are always big splashy spells, friend

Police State LGS has a CMC of 11

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Trinisphere. Autocorrect is a bitch though.

What keywords does it have that it would be affected by the proposed rule?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Simic Charm
Boros Charm
Bant Charm
Naya Charm
Rakdos Charm
Abzan Charm

Skullbone
Skullbone

it hardly does what you want when you want it
3/10
sometimes i slot it back into charms.dek but it almost always comes back out

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Piracy charm

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

all bad

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Has anyone had any success building with any of the ixalan vampires, namely Vona or Elenda?

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Ignoramus
Ignoramus

being this salty

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

boros charm is bad
does sultai charm see much play in modern?

StonedTime
StonedTime

These are the undercoat hair, or whatever they're called.
Have you never seen cat or pubic hair before? What are you 8?

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FastChef
FastChef

that
straight

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cum2soon
cum2soon

not him but edh is incomparable to other constructed formats.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

How tough is it to assemble a decent 5c manabase? I want to build Ramos Charms.dec

RavySnake
RavySnake

not really this is my 5c budget deck
it used to be cheaper but i added stuff over the years
tappedout.net/mtg-decks/24-10-17-mana-mastery/

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Trying to make a death and taxes deck using Zo-Zu the punisher. Any ways to try and keep aggro off me? In my play testing i end up getting chipped to 20 health by turn 4 or 5 and then just die to my own engines

I have cards like smoke and crawlspace but they dont really deter my enemies

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

granted, but at the same time its extremely efficient that was my point.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

play anger of the gods and watch as all of us green players cry that half of our landbase was exiled for 3 mana

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Look man, I don't think those are actually pubes, but they are not straight by any stretch of imagination.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Yeah dude look at my curly furred cat...

Imbecile.

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King_Martha
King_Martha

i have a cat so that cant be pubes
look how straight these hairs are

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viagrandad
viagrandad

Selvala is pretty but the art is pretty static and meh.

Methshot
Methshot

The art's bad, dog.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

No one is argueing that those are actually pubes, imbecile, they are saying that those hairs are not straight.

Jesus, do we really have 2 retards who don't know how to read on the same thread? At least give us an hour between each other.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

That's a cute cat.

What the fuck are you trying to prove on a taiwanese basketweaving forum anyway?

Bidwell
Bidwell

I've never even seen a paradox engine, what's the problem? Isn't it just a do nothing artifact that requires other cards to function, dies to removal, and is durdley as fuck?

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

I hope you're joking

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Does the token actually work with commander damage? It's not the card...

happy_sad
happy_sad

I've never even seen a paradox engine, what's the problem?
the problem is that it untaps all non-land perms when you cast any spell, in a format where all non-green and even most green decks can net mana off of rocks/dorks for every spell they cast
throw in something that taps to draw or lets say thrasios and you pretty much just autowin

takes2long
takes2long

So was prime time, but that didn't stop it from ripping Timmy's ass hole because bluetimmy or blue Johnny couldn't control themselves.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

it doesnt

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Gentlemen, BEHOLD!

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Lunatick
Lunatick

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5mileys
5mileys

Elenda definitely seems dumb to run outside the 99, Vona could be alright.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Retard

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Ban sol ring. "Everyone does it. I need it to stay competitive" is literally steroids in sports justification.
Also it rewards bad deck building and makes people keep shitty hands.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

That would actually be keeping the spirit of what hybrid mana is supposed to be.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Basically you're requesting for pube pics. That's gay man.
No one is argueing that those are actually pubes, imbecile, they are saying that those hairs are not straight.
We're talking about how those are supposed to be "curly" now.
That my cat, surprisingly, has straigh hair. They seem to be under the impression that cats have curly hair.

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viagrandad
viagrandad

Autism

w8t4u
w8t4u

shitty hands
If only they were just shitty, but sometimes it's "either you guys get rid of my sol ring, or I win T3~4"

likme
likme

hybrid mana
lets just say it can be used in either but not in a deck that has both :^)

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

guys i'm fucking gay

WebTool
WebTool

I'm shoked. No, really.

TechHater
TechHater

Uh oh, you suggested banning sol ring. Prepare to be bombarded with bad arguments that were debunked in 2011 to keep the broken in the format.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Holy shit, I don't care where that hair came from, it's not straight, are you blind? People are talking about those 2 strands of not straight hair on top of F11 on

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

surprisingly, has straight hair
curly hair on the keyboard
so you are admitting its pubes but just using this as an excuse to post pictures of your shitty cat

5mileys
5mileys

you can choose not to be, I did.
sodomy is no life at all

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Or simply dont define yourself by your bedroom habits

Spamalot
Spamalot

well theres that but like theres a lot more wrong with it than that
i really dont want to go into it here

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Most degenerate combos for UB/mill? I'm toying with Oona and Mirko as the general, I have some others in the same colors like Vela. Going infinite is fine, I have some already but wanna see how many I can reasonably cram into one deck

askme
askme

This.
If gays could just be dudes who like dudes i think most people would have a more positive attitude towards gays. Fuck, even being a little feminine is ok, but fags need to stop

Methshot
Methshot

infinite mana + oona
infinite mana is insanely easy to get

SniperWish
SniperWish

Hmm i definitely think i need more creature removal, currebtly its all tied in to big wipes like jokulhaups

Im also gonna remove star of extinction, hilarious as it might be with repercussion out

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Wanting to make commander a balanced format
Fucking really

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

veekyforums.com/thread/58476081/games
veekyforums.com/thread/58476081/games
veekyforums.com/thread/58476081/games
new thread

Soft_member
Soft_member

not wanting a semblance of balance
you know its not bad when you play with the same 4 guys every few weeks its fucking awful if you go to some random lgs though

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Scorpion good.
Because b. Act + everlasting torment = 104 scarab tokens

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Mmh, apparently my LGS only plays 1v1 Commander with the MTGO banlist so theoretically I could play with Leovold as a Commander right? That'd be dope.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Wouldn't that kill the first two Brothers? There isn't exactly two permanents named Brothers Yamazaki anymore, so the legend rule applies again.

Skullbone
Skullbone

Elenda Is actually a lot of fun as a commander. Obviously you just send her to the gy instead of the command zone.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Why bother with a banlist at all?

Nojokur
Nojokur

As they should. This is the one format that should be allowed to be broken, just as its founders intended.

viagrandad
viagrandad

No, shitty players keep shitty hands. Sol Ring doesn't make them. They willingly choose to keep a fragile hand.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

They shouldn't.

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