How do you portray of the not!ottomans in contrast of the not!arabs in a...

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

How do you portray of the not!ottomans in contrast of the not!arabs in a fantasy setting set during the renaissance?

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Lunatick
Lunatick

I'd just go with Nottomans next time

Skullbone
Skullbone

You put in a not!constantinople and make sure to set up a theme where these steppe archers (and Ottomans were scythian/hun/mongol style horsemen who converted to Islam, not semitic peoples) have crushed an old and advanced empire and remade it in their own fasion. Cutting-edge Renaissance technology, but a people and a culture connected to violent tribal roots.

Wheras your not!arabs will be more agricultural, metropolitan, and cosmopolitan.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

One is screaming, naked, turbanshit inbred retards who invade the temperate lands
The other is screaming, naked, turbanshit inbred retards who invade the desert lands

Emberfire
Emberfire

Don't forget the whole 'take children as slaves and turn them into an elite military force' thing.

Lunatick
Lunatick

That wasn't as uncommon as you'd think

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iluvmen
iluvmen

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farquit
farquit

Not OP but I am interested in a Not!Ottoman Empire too. I was going to spice it up with undead. How could I tie that into what you mention? Undead religious "tribes" take over?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

t. 56%er

RumChicken
RumChicken

Ottomans became organized imperialists. The Arabs were facticious tribalists the resented being made into vassals

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

The Ottomans had really interesting inheritance and appointment dynamics. How the court functions, the monarchy, how governerships were passed out and to who.

Flameblow
Flameblow

Underrated

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Much more organized, an empire as opposed to a princely state, much more technologically advanced, a new empire on the rise, claiming its place from the empires of old.

Also slave soldiers.

Techpill
Techpill

well its easy if you run DnD, we actually have this in our campaign.
Hobgoblins as the Nottomons, spreading all the way over the North of NotAfrica
while the NotArabs are a race of Humans from the same general regions who regularly clash with one another

in none DnD settings do it the same way you differentiate Not!France from Not!England

you make then hate one another with a passion, give them recognizable fashions and colours and pit them constant wars with one another

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

If you want to portray them in their golden ages:
Ottomans: gunpowder galore, fancy hats, large degree of secularism for a religion centric society and GLORIOUS WELL TRIMMED MANLY MUSTACHES.

Arabs: Badass cavalry, horse archers, lots of lammelar, massive ammounts of caravans, GLORIOUSLY FULL BEARDS, turbans and scimitars

cum2soon
cum2soon

.

That guy on the left.

That's a big axe.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

I'm telling you Ahmad, there's no such thing as an axe that is too big

Techpill
Techpill

8 weapons.

dear god, is there no inventory limit for this guy

Emberburn
Emberburn

The ottoman also had the bashi-bazookas, mad people kept in chains and then released at the start of a battle.

Though receiving weapons and equipment, usually at a minimal level, from the Government, these deranged men received no pay but were rewarded by a virtual licence to plunder.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Bashi-bazouks were just irregulars m8. Basically bandits employed by the military under a license to plunder. They weren't literally mad.

JunkTop
JunkTop

It's okay, because christians aren't really people so the holy books allow it.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Instead of taking foreign babies to make Jannisary, just take foreign corpses. They don't need to be well trained, just enough to point a musket in a direction and engage the trigger. That's the magic of mass gunfire!

girlDog
girlDog

Oh this is good. I'm gonna do that. Makes them seem more malicious to steal the dead.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

T*rks are more like Persians and Greeks than they are Ar*bs. Persia was where they settled into civilization after being nomads and then they melded with the Greeks when they settled in Anatolia.

Incorporating that into a fantasy setting, I'd say they should have elements of the people they conquered, along with bits of their original heritage. Their only connection to the Not Arabs would be their religion.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Ottomans: incompetent homosexual boy rapers with overly fancy hats.

Arabs: incompetent homosexual boy rapers with turbans and beards.

2 different smells from the same shit(skin).

Spamalot
Spamalot

I came in here to post this

whereismyname
whereismyname

But what if they were? Maybe in the Nottoman Empire they keep actual mad berserkers in chains, ready for battle. Like those mutants in 300.

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Firespawn
Firespawn

Persia was where they settled into civilization
Didn't they split into two dynasties, one which held onto Persia and other went to conquer Anatolia? They became long-standing rivals later.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Don't forget sitting on trade routes from India and the Far East to Europe

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Catholics: competent homosexual boy rapers with overly fancy hats

Protestants (catchall): competent homosexual boy rapers with stupid names for their denominations

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Underestimating the power of fancy hats
You are as POOR and PRESUMPTUOUS as you are A FAGGOT!

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girlDog
girlDog

All this makes me think is that this man goes around stealing the hats off of other fine Gentlemen

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

most notarab tropes in DnD at least are based on elements of ottoman society anyway
harems
turbans (as far as i remember a persian invention at least, but associated with turks)
scimitars (persian)

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

posted prematurely, meant to add that scimitars were turkic in origin but popularised by Persians and Arabs alike. No doubt they were popular enough in the Arab world independent of the ottomans
also
architecture and administration

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Nottomans are an empire. Proud and materialistic. Strong leader, expendable subjects.

Notarabs would have more of a spiritual side and "muh ancient history", lots of wise sayings and moral stories. Less organized and more reliant on magic.
This so much. I'd put Notarabs as a civ which can be either ally or enemy depending on the situation, but I'd put Nottomans on the asshole side, even though you might work for them occasionally.

SniperWish
SniperWish

how to trigger Turks in one sentence

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Arabs should be irrelevant in a renaissance game, so inevitably the relevant muslim cultures will be confused with arabs.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Actually and ironically arabs started this, and with turk(ic) slaves.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

But arabs used straight swords during their golden ages and basically everything you said about arabs is either taken from others or a general thing

Arabs should be stoic desert pastoralists who hate civilization.

Inmate
Inmate

Not him but Persia (along with China) was the main civilization turks had contact with even before Islam. What with Central Asia being an iranic region in antiquity but also the turkic mainland later.

Anyways I think you're talking about the Great Seljuks who came from Central Asia, had the hearth of their empire in Persia but later conquered also Anatolia. Ottomans were ultimately an offshoot of the Seljuks.

Methnerd
Methnerd

Scimitars are also turkish, moreso than turbans

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