I know I am in the minority but I was hyped as fuck. Storm Troopers were getting updated and new lore? Sign me the fuck up. However all we get was barely anything new just typical child brainwashing and shit. Not to mention after their update GW has dont nothing to expand the regiment ideas they introduced and or given them any new models.
I know alot of people here were not the biggest fans of these guys but I still think they can be something really cool in 40k.
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No one likes Storm Troopers not even thier own faction likes them.
Tempestus Scions are in that weird middle road where on one hand they are ordinary human beings (as far as I can tell, could've had gene therapy, drugs, bionics, other forms of therapy to enhance body, etc), but they are also climbing towards space marine level skill and prowess. Hell, it isn't unheard of for these guys to get the drop on Chaos Space Marines.
Also veteran squads seem to get the better buck for deal last I recall.
Kasrkin are cooler personally.
Yes but like Catachan Devils those are regimental storm troopers. Scions are like Storm Troopers you call in or the Inquisition needs door kickers.
Was this meant for or me? Either way a cool bit of knowledge that actually makes the Scions even more attractive. I like that little relationship between them.
Is this an inside joke?
It's the same problem as SoB. Not that there isn't anything cool about them, but there isn't enough differentiating them from similar, more fleshed out, better supported armies for them to really develop their own fanbase
I always thought the Scion regiments should rip off real world Special Forces. Like Spetsnaz Scions or Navy Seal Scions.
What are those blimp things?
Because they were pushed out under Kirby, now Rountree has ti clean up the mess, except as you can imagine, there's a lot more work to be done before one can work on minor factions like that.
They're troop landers. See in the back.
Huh, does it have an official name or something? They look really cool
>or given them any new models.
They don't really need any more models. There's nothing to add beyond gimmicks already handled better by other imperial guard units.
I'm surprised they even got a unique transport, rather than the chimera.
Not that I'm aware of. I believe the same artist did both of those images. I wouldn't be surprised if it was just something he wanted to add and GW art department gave him the thumbs up to add it.
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Because Old Stormtroopers were actually far better in every way, and noone cares about you any longer, any other way than OP deepstrike plasma for
Deal with it.
Remember when we saw things in the artworks that weren't copypastes of the model we were sold?
Storm troopers were just better trained cannon fodder
Scions are fucking shit.
Real men are Stormtroopers.
Expect Tempestus Scion is just fancy wording for Storm Troopers
In the books, the Imperium uses "bulk landers" to land Guard infantry and armor. But I have never seen a picture of one. Maybe that's it.
The inquisition still has its own storm troopers training grounds and units. As does the Ecclesiarchy ('tis a secret)
With shittier and more standardized fluff.
That's the main issue, frankly. No studio guy was interested in them and went all out in this codex ; it's just bland.
Also, the Taurox is a fucking abomination. How hard was it to take a Tauros Venator, bolt a couple plates of armor on it, and add some seats ?
Seeing how SoBs fare in artwork and in the hands of third-party modellers, including in defunct specialist games like Epic, and how their specialties got phagocyted by the SM (eviscerators on assault squads, for example), that's less a case of a niche that's too small, and more of a "MOAR MARINES. BIGGER ELITES" issue.
The SM suffer from this too with the grey knights, custodes and primaris inflation.
Tetrach Lander (carries one company)
Devourer Dropship (those are stacked into giant cathedral ships, it's hilarious)
this, I want my space spetznaz
>Seeing how SoBs fare in artwork and in the hands of third-party modellers, including in defunct specialist games like Epic, and how their specialties got phagocyted by the SM (eviscerators on assault squads, for example), that's less a case of a niche that's too small, and more of a "MOAR MARINES. BIGGER ELITES" issue.
Well, that and 'the SOB special weapons are stuff that other factions get too'. It's tricky when your 'unique' weapons are melta, flamer and bolt weapons.
Funny thing: Marines didn't originally have access to twin heavy flamer razorbacks. That came about on the Immolator.
SM Assault ship
Old Epic dropship
The Immolator with twin-linked multi-meltas is still superior to its razorback equivalent, strangely.
The SoB being left in a drawer meant that everyone got new toys while they were ignored. Even the AdMech gets special flamers and bolt weapons, but the sisters get fuckall. It wouldn't be hard to copypaste some gear.
But in the early days, almost everyone had the same weapons, even the orcs (or the eldar and tau, in some aspects). The "like the regular weapon, but on steroids" fad is fairly recent.
As for their truly unique gear... Crossbows rules vary from very bad to meh, sarissas and psyocculum haven't been seen since 3rd edition.
>With shittier and more standardized fluff
I mean I agree with you but it's not like you can't invent your own lore for your company of Scions.
But god damned that cyber-ish look of the old stormies both stood out and fit in so well into the 40k aesthetics.
>The SoB being left in a drawer meant that everyone got new toys while they were ignored. Even the AdMech gets special flamers and bolt weapons, but the sisters get fuckall. It wouldn't be hard to copypaste some gear.
Yeah. I mean, just this month we got a new Melta weapon in the Thermal Lance for that new Admech Miniknight.
Scions were introduced in the last Guard update. Give it a year or two and you'll probably get more - I imagine they sell quite well.
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>tetrarch lander
nice
>Alphic Hydras
How do they keep getting away with it
>Ringworld
i beg your pardon sir but what
Hey, it's a big galaxy, and we've known for a long time that there's stuff lying around that the Imperials colonized without knowing their origins (Blackstone fortresses, Port Maw, etc).
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I still call them Stormtroopers. The issue is that you have Space Marines, who are elite. The Primaris SMs, who are super elite. Then the Grey Knights and Custodes, who are super dooper elite.
So not a lot of air left for mere mortals who are just tough and trained really well. Plus the Taurox sucks donkey dick and I suspect that GW looked at the sales and assumed it was that people don't like stormies and not the shitty modelling.
The Stormtroopers are still for sale. They're not going anywhere. Frankly, they could use a period of benign neglect. We have all the models we need. I'd give them a rhino or kitbash something for ground mobility, but otherwise they're fine.
It's good to know that the Ultramarines have an ally they can trust their lives with, and even use as a recruiting pool.
>With shittier and more standardized fluff.
>That's the main issue, frankly. No studio guy was interested in them and went all out in this codex ; it's just bland.
>Also, the Taurox is a fucking abomination. How hard was it to take a Tauros Venator, bolt a couple plates of armor on it, and add some seats ?
Totally agree with this. They totally dropped the ball on a wheeled vehicle for oper8Rs.
For 1 point per model, you can upgrade their combat knives to field shovels. These count as close combat weapons and allow them to take advantage of terrain as if they were entrenched.
>So not a lot of air left for mere mortals who are just tough and trained really well.
Even above the Scions there is the SOB so you've got people already pushing them out of the top place for 'most elite normal humans'. 40k has a LOT of 'Very elite dudes'.
And that was what made them actually better. 40k got so fucking filled up with super-duper-uber-elite-special-snowflake secret variant of other super-duper-hyper-increadible superheroes that it is un fucking bearable. It's great symbol to how devolved 40k has become in terms of lore.
Literally the most interesting faction to me are Renegades&Heretics. Who are just common idiots rebelling against imperium only to later get killed/eaten by daemons. But their sheer normality, and customization options (as for 7e IA13, and as in lore) and variation is what makes those ragged cultists way more interesting than All Custodes, primaris bullshit summed up together.
>um I love da little guy in this setting I’m so special
Oh boy I got the army list for you.
Your not a lorefag right?
lol this
Probably because GW's lying low with them for a while until enough customers are new enough not to remember just how fucking grimderp their new fluff made them.
This. All they'd have had to do was revamp the Kasrkins because those are some tough as nails badasses right there.
GW made a mistake trying to expand beyond what they had for Stormtroopers.
What else needed to be said beyond what we already knew? Hell most of their charm in my opinion was their, no bullshit feel. Now their newest incarnation is a circus sideshow by comparison.
-Their regiment is separate from any standing army.
-they are a regiment of the hardest mortal mortherfuckers in the galaxy.
-Wielding FUQ MEQ guns
-Bred, brainwashed, and trained on Cadia, hense the "Kasr" in Kasrkin. Regular Stormtroopers exist that are not trained there, but they are not nearly as terrifying.
They didn't need bright livery, a name change, fancy new dumb looking armor, and armored Jeep tanks. Just a good plastic line and maybe a book or two
You do understand Scions and Kasrkins still existed together
They're dead, Jim.
I like them, but I think my tastes are slightly different than the average 40k fan because the only faction I find boring are loyalist space marines.
Same, which is why I'm a huge fan of Warp Cults and Imperial Militia from the Horus Heresy. Then again, I'm interested in Inq28, where weird commoners and stuff you don't see in the main game hang out in the galaxy's stranger dark corners.
What he's saying is when everyone is special snowflakes, no one is. Just look at all the bitching space marine players do whenever some new hotness comes out
>Waaaah why are these guys better than Marines
>How come they get access to *random snowflake weapon that isn't even that good but space Marines can't have it*
>Why do they get to be the best at *incredibly niche ability no one cares about*
I thought grey knight players would actually have to be put on suicide watch when custodes were confirmed to get a codex. They didn't, but boy did they get close.
Half the reason people play armies like guard and traitors is because for once, they don't have to deal with all the fanwank. Except that doesn't work either because then people bitch about various regiment abilities and the new stormtrooper lore is in the same vein, but at least we can dream we're above it.
>I still call them Stormtroopers. The issue is that you have Space Marines, who are elite. The Primaris SMs, who are super elite. Then the Grey Knights and Custodes, who are super dooper elite
I guess it’s an issue on the tabletop, but in lore the numbers discrepancies makes up for this. There are roughly a million or so space marines and Primaris Marines, somewhere around 6000 custodes if we account for their losses, and less than 1000 Grey knights if we take into account all the ones that died since the great rift opened. Stormtroopers number in the many millions, there are a load of regiments of them around and they are being recruited much faster and in much greater numbers than any of the marines. Sisters of battle are just as numerous as scions but they tend to stick mainly to the defense of shrine worlds. Most of the time you want elites, you’re gonna get stormtroopers.
One of GWs greatest fuck ups was not doing this and instead creating a trademarkable scion brand for legal reasons desu.
I miss the old armor. It's not even just being crotchety about change anymore, I just liked the semi-modern design compard to the almost medieval look. Yes, I get 40k is science fantasy, but the guard tended to have a more modern look and I liked how that set them apart.
Even then, I still sympathize with the lack of updates, but what were you expecting? GW slapped out a lot of minidexes and then never followed up on them, and in this case there wasn't that much to follow up on really. A new weird truck maybe or something.
I'm glad I still have about 20 of these classic metal storm troopers.
>we never got minis of Catachan Devils
Still hurts.
Honestly, they're just trying to get caught at this point.
They also have AP -2 and a range of 6"
Sadly, that's no longer a legal list. I get so pissed at the new faction rules - Chaos gets shafted while and get a billion toys. Yes, we have DG, TS, CSM, and Daemons codex, but they don't play together well. (with Faction and keywords, and gods forbit you play anything but or ) While Eldar and Imperium can pick and choose like candy.
>With shittier and more standardized fluff.
I'm not sure anyone who says this actually knows what the stormtrooper fluff was before the scions became a thing.
a. new models are meh
b. their transport is both fuck-ugly and a rules mess.
c. the change in fluff was too grimderp and removed the ability for Your Dudes to have their own stormies as everyone is munitorium zealots now.
>removed the ability for Your Dudes to have their own stormies
As opposed to when every single stormtrooper was from literally one standardized regiment? When every single one of them was an identical munitorum-trained zealot?
There's a lot you can fault the scions for, but "your dudes" was never, ever part of stormtroopers until they came around. Unless you're talking about regimental grenadiers, but there's nothing really stopping you from taking them now. They still exist in the fluff.
I like Scions, their aesthetic is cool, the weapons are meaty (I just wish we got two sculpts of the specials) and the cherry on top for me is the camera they have watching their every move. Read something about how they can be punished (even with death) if the camera is found to be obstructed or incorrectly angled, which sold me on them.
I use them as an Inquisitor's personal army, only change I made on the basic troops was to swap their heads out for Eisenkern helmets. The Prime is a little bit more converted and I have plans to try and mash together the Taurox and Elysian Tauros to create something that looks a little more specialised rapid response (and with wheels).
I don't think they really need more stuff, I can't think of what else to add, and they work okay in Imperial soup as a pretty hard hitting core.
Kasrkins were always better
Why?
The only thing different was their origin.
Good thing they still exist then.
I just realized that those pics are the same ship.
Read the old WD commando missions with the hunt for Eisenhorn. The fluff bits are better than the entire Scion codex and its copypasted regiments like the 666th Sigmoid Donkeys.
I'm aware that the Stormtroopers were a single entity in 2nd edition as well, but at least they allowed for some customization beyond regimental colors.
they sound as if they were from Barbarus
My LGS had a sale a while back and I picked up a couple start collecting boxes of Tempestus Scions to fill the the gap of long range in my fluffy Salamanders army, and I found that they are essentially discount space marines that trade a 3+ armor save and statline of 4 for Orders, which turned out to be an exceptional payoff. They honestly just feel like what I would have wanted Space Marine scouts to feel like.
At the risk of missing the point, grey knights have been in the setting and playable units since rogue trader, you know that right? Also, they are more specialized than straight up superior in fluff since their whole thing is "I fight demon and demon accessories", so it makes since that they are portrayed as hypercompetent at the one thing they were made for, it's just that people mistake them for being great at everything, none of which is helped by ward's shitty writing.
The custodes were kind of in the same boat in that they made more sense when they weren't a whole faction unto themselves and just a part of the lore, so their whole "best of the best" thing was countered by the fact that they never left the palace.
Not that I disagree that 40k has a terrible problem with constantly trying to one up itself (centurions, primaris, riptides, stormsurge, wraithknights, custodes bikers).
>-Their regiment is separate from any standing army.
That's the biggest thing I'd change about the new IG 'dex - keep Tempestus as a separate regiment for folk who want to do Scion armies still, but make Scions like all the other infantry choices. Failing that, give Vets the option to take Carapace and/or Hellguns so we can use Scions as a natural part of a force, rather than some weird, tacked-on "Oh, and also these dudes, too".
Carapace vets in chimeras has been my thing with guard since 4th. Why did GW have to take it away from me?
Why do people STILL confuse regimental storm troopers and storm troopers
In lore, sure. But in terms of the game world as experienced by fans, via RPG, wargame, supplements, and fiction, it's conceptual overload. Hard to make a distinctive, cool concept for yet another group of elite humans. As worldbuilding it makes sense, but as storytelling it sucks balls.
Well said. Inb4 Primaris Custodes who are even leet'er than everyone else.
>. Read something about how they can be punished (even with death) if the camera is found to be obstructed or incorrectly angled, which sold me on them
So basically they're the Google/Facebook army.
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I can't be that hard, too. Last time I read Requiem Vampire Knight, I thought how cool a weapon the Impaler would be for witch hunters. Or a giant ballista or a volley bolt cannon.
Afaik, early grey knights were awfully expensive. You never ran more than one or two squads in a regular game. Now they got a full range of polyvalent troops, plus support tanks and flyers. That's why I think they became marines+, that they weren't initially.
Because they both have the same name?
>sound effect is "tepesssss"
Good pun. I gotta read RVK sometime.
It's Mills (and Ledroit) at his best. So don't take it seriously, don't look at the emo-grade social commentary, and enjoy the over-the-top silliness.
As a complete outsider, old stormtroopers had a cooler look.
In 2nd edition there was only 10,000 stormtroopers in the galaxy. It left no room for customization as there was literally one regiment in existence.
And they never fought as a coherent whole. The regiment was a school and administrative structure, nothing more, and then every squad/platoon spent decades on its own, serving with various regiments and gaining personality (in meta terms)
The regiment defined thier tactics and uniform. I don't see how there only bring one regiment in the entire galaxy made them more customizable
>every squad/platoon spent decades on its own, serving with various regiments and gaining personality (in meta terms)
Gaining personality as munitorum drones stealing the glory from the regular regiments?
they never had personality in the fluff, man
What book are these from?
You can kitbash these using forgeworld cadian hazard suit heads, normal cadian torsos, and the rest from the scion kits. Have to shave the waist down a bit but it looks the same once you are done.
The Tempestus Scion codex.
Still the correct idea. Space Marines are ancient warrior cultures, Imperial Guard are 15th-century-onwards armies. Modelling the Stormtroopers on modern special forces would give them their own niche.
I think scions should also focus on this and fast attack
Like give them a motor bike and fast attack air craft
Why does a landing ship have guns pointing up?
So it can give long range artillery support from a safe LZ, for space combat, Cause 40k is a silly place... something like that.
Because they aren't Solar Auxilia in 40k.
If the new kill team is any good I think I might pick up 20 or so Solar Auxillia models to play in it. They look so good.