An army of dinosaurs fights an army of mammals, who wins?

I'd like to see Wernher von Braun 1v1 a cassowary, see how smart he is then.

Reptilians are actually mammal like reptiles with severe paranoia of a long gone genetic memory of themselves when they looked more like lizards. You were actually the warm blooded dinoperson all along, your hair is actually just hair like feathers!

Checkmate

Mammals are better suited for the cold than dinosaurs/birds. Birds head south for the winter for a reason

Brain size means shit though, folds and structure does. Brain size just means they'd be faster on the upkeep.

They arent dinosaurs though.

And modern corvids are some of the smartest animals on the planet.

Penguins, motherfucker.

Dinosaurs were superior
Mammals couldn't even evolve until Dinosaurs bit the stardust, even though they appeared roughly at the same time

Considering there's no mamals that can contend with a t Rex, the dinosaurs win

Get out, poltard.

>mammals have humies
>humies have nukes

That's debatable, but "anywhere but the tropics" =/= the Arctic. Tyrannosaurus rex lived in a subtropical climate.

Scavengers

>This really specific example, motherfuck

I wasn’t that user, but your pic was the Arctic, so I’m saying that if it’s legit cold (like freezing or close to it) mammals got this in the bag

>Your “smart” mammals split the atom and sent men to the moon.

That took humans like 100,000 years. I don't think the battle will last that long. Assuming the fight takes place in a blank slate scenario where nobody has the advantage of preexisting knowledge or tools, the benefit of intelligence becomes more modest compared with the benefits of being a 9 ton killing machine.

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Size aids heat retention, so a cold-weather tyrannosaur is a lot better off than a Canada goose.

Humans managed to kill every fantastical monster we shared the planet with. Dinosaurs would be the same

And it took dinos 160 million years to accomplish nothing and all die.

In the short term the mammals have this.,

In the modern day, sure, T. rex goes down to a large-caliber rifle just as easily as an elephant. In a blank slate scenario, humans would be in trouble.

>rule the planet for 180 million years
>still highly successful today
>some upstart synapsid shit-talks you on his electric box

Mammoths, sabretooth tigers, giant sloth, those huge eagles that could carry away kids, terror birds, alligators/crocodiles, lions, bears, Komodo dragons

We killed all these (and more) with sharpened rocks

>No mention of Maximals vs. Predacons

You lot dissapppoint me

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None of which really compare to active predators three times heavier than an elephant, which is something we've never had to deal with.

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Depends, are the mammals australian?

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It is still a beast, no more, no less, and mankind shall always stand above the beasts

Never underestimate intelligence, user. It’s the most important stat IRL especially when coupled with wisdom.

I can envision (if we’re going with Stone Age tech) traps, training the “smart” dinosaurs like dogs, using the environment to our advantage. And not to mention we’re apes, so we’ll do very well in vertical environments.

Kill something, leave it out, chuck spears at what shows up to eat it
Also mammoths we’re freaking huge

I mean, "HFY" and all but there's a very good reason mammals bigger than a badger didn't exist until after those old fuckers went extinct.

Emus aren’t mamma-
Oooooh

It feels like I left Veeky Forums for a week and “HFY” is a thing—and not only that, but hated.

In all fairness, the dinosaurs were Australian too.

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Eh? Brain size doesn't mean much if you don't have the right specialized structures which is hard to discern from fossils and large bodies eat up a ton of brain capacity for somatosensory and motor functions.

If no humans, then dinos!

humans ain't shit. everything we think we've accomplished, nature mastered a long ass time ago

HFY has been a thing for years. Obnoxious fuckers always come back.

>“HFY” is a thing
It's been a thing for a long time. Baader-Meinhof phenomenon at play.

The one with the sharpest fangs.

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Well, judging by the last time this played out, I'm saying mammals.

>Humans riding mammoths into battle against dinosaurs

I like it.

>the last time this played out
To be fair, the dinosaurs were crushing it for about 180 million years before that whole asteroid business caused an upset, and they had a decent comeback even after that.

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That takes a long time to get right. Tools and strategies are gradually refined from generation to generation. If we're talking about a human with zero passed-down knowledge, even something as simple as a stick with a rock on the end would be too high-tech for them, and good luck killing a t-rex with anything less. Even then, they don't have any knowledge of dinosaurs, or the best methods of killing them. Cavemen learned through trial-and-error, and this battle wouldn't leave much room for error. Humans don't emerge from the womb as perfect hunters, they have to learn that, and if they don't have anyone to learn it from they're in trouble versus an army of dinosaurs.

If we give the humans a few thousand years to learn about dinosaurs, pass that down, figure out how to sharpen rocks, pass that down, then sure, the humans have a decent chance in the battle. Otherwise not so much.

We're not comparing who has better achievements, we're comparing who would win in a fight. Stephen Hawking (RIP) certainly achieved more than anyone down your local bar, but I wouldn't have bet on him in a fight with any of them.

By that logic the sperm whales should be much, much, much smarter than humans, since they have the largest brains of any known living or extinct species.

Nothing gets me harder than scientific progress showing the world what the dinosaurs were really like.

Once the deconstruction of the dinosaur's image is complete and nobody ever takes those shits seriously, we humans can finally say we are the only true masters of the Earth.

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What did Dinosaur taste like?

Or you'll just feel emasculated at the idea of being eaten by a grizzly-sized bird monster.

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Like chicken, much like everything else on this meme of a planet.

Have they ever proven that? Don't get me wrong, it's an interesting hypothesis, but wouldn't a large dinosaur require an insane amount of energy to be able to generate the heat?

I'm not sure there's a single "Dinosaur taste". Presumably they enjoyed different flavors.

Not for nothing but a 6 ft turkey is terrifying

Why do humans and mammals have to start out like they just popped out from a womb, but dinosaurs don’t?

If we were all babies, we’d probably get along until the early developers got hungry

>An army of dinosaurs fights an army of mammals, who wins?
Whoever seduces the other sides females first!

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A rock falls and mammals win

Prevailing theory is that they were somewhere in the middle- that they were capable of internally thermoregulating, but not of maintaining an actual constant body temperature like a warm-blooded animal. Great white sharks work similarly today. It would explain why they got so large to begin with (size aids heat retention, and a large enough animal can maintain a constant body temperature despite not being technically endothermic) and why the smaller ones were so consistently covered in floof.

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that's adorable

>Why do humans and mammals have to start out like they just popped out from a womb, but dinosaurs don’t?

I'd assume everyone is an adult. Humans having the special benefit of the accumulated knowledge and tools from thousands of years of experience from hundreds of generations of prior humans seems like something that needs to be stated though.

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Our world was conquered by giant chickens. That asteroid did us a favor.

Correct.

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>seduces
This is a war.

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Literally what is a penguin able to KILL?

On the contrary, humans are the closest of natures creationa to rival nature itself. We are but beasts, while nature is a god. Yet we can emulate the bird, the nervous system, we can create machines moving faster than any other living animal can hope to, we can create releases of energy surpassing volcanic eruptions, we can see billions of light years and store more knowledge than the entirety of terran life combined.

Kiringu Baitsu!

>store more knowledge than the entirety of terran life combined
A single gram of DNA can hold the equivalent of over 200,000,000 gigabytes of information.

No I mean just a regular turkey, but that big. Imagine it chasing you.

>wouldn't a large dinosaur require an insane amount of energy to be able to generate the heat?
You have it backwards, animals don't expend energy to generate heat. They generate heat as a byproduct of expending energy. With how huge dinosaurs were and the energy it would take to move all that mass (muh square cube law), there's pretty much no way they were cold blooded. That doesn't necessarily mean they were warm-blooded though.

>absolute garbage animals
Someone post the gif of the hawk beheading a duck.

herd u talkin shit

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I'd love to see a cassowary vs. a RPG. See how fierce it is then.

humans talk and write things down. Thats just one of their natural abilities. Why does it require special mention over, say, a raptor having its claws?

Which is only 200,000 terabytes. We'll surpass that capacity soon.

You seem to forget fifteen years ago we were talking about megabytes and 56k modems. Technology is in rampancy.

I'd bet you'd taste real good beer battered and deep fried. We'll eat your children for breakfast.

>Taking on the guy that sent first humans to the moon.

He'd figure out how to kill every aggressive species on the planet in less than 10 years.

Birds are mammal food

Mammals.
Granted both dinosaurs and mammals are extremely broad categories and could include anything from super small creatures like hummingbirds/voles to brachiosaurs/paraceratherium but mammals I think are more well rounded for any particular niche and mammal carnivores hunting tactic tend to be more difficult to evade than that of their dinosaurian counterparts that is dinosaur hunting tactics tended to be straight up attacking or ambush while mammalian predators would track/stalk/chase down and attack their prey when they are most vulnerable.
Also mammals heal faster than dinosaurs and cover a wider terrain (a tiger is an effective predator on land in trees and can even effectively swim after it's target) all this while also likely consuming fewer calories to survive.

Dinosaurs are a whole lot less scary when fully feathered up.

(caped baldy to scale)

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To get an idea of how skinny they'd be...

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Of course, not all of them were fully feathery.

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>Which is only 200,000 terabytes. We'll surpass that capacity soon.
That's in *one gram*, user. You could contain all the electronic data ever stored in any capacity on the entire planet within just the DNA of one joint from your pinky finger.

Apply that to estimates of the biomass on Earth without even including bacteria, and to "store more knowledge than the entirety of terran life combined" you'd need 112,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 GB of storage. We have a long, long way to go.

T-rex were too large to have been covered with feathers outside of their infancy.

>humans talk and write things down. Thats just one of their natural abilities. Why does it require special mention over, say, a raptor having its claws?

The innate ability doesn't need to be mentioned. It's just not worth much without a few thousand years of prep-time to develop it into something.

>Also mammals heal faster than dinosaurs and cover a wider terrain (a tiger is an effective predator on land in trees and can even effectively swim after it's target) all this while also likely consuming fewer calories to survive.
All of these are complete asspulls, but in particular the idea that mammals somehow consume less calories to survive. You know, mammals? Active high-temperature endotherms? High caloric requirements are the biggest drawback to our metabolic system.

>a few thousand years of prep-time
Oh, God. Humans are Batman.

Still, poofy T-Rex is pretty cute.

>Active high-temperature endotherms?
Dinosaurs are also endotherms though

>write things down
Which is proven to not be a natural skill to humans unlike language.

T. rex has direct evidence that it was not covered in protofeathers as an adult. It may have had feathers on the back of the neck like a mane, but it was otherwise shown to have small scales covering its body. Its skin would look elephantine from a distance due to how small the scales were. That second pic also has its arms broken; palms faced each other like they were about to grasp something.

God, that dude really let himself go.

Says who? See . And even if they were endothermic to the same degree as mammals, they'd still only need as much caloric intake as a mammal of equivalent size.

But DNA doesn't actually contain that much information. Each strand is nearly, if not fully, identical to the last. ~99.9% of the information your DNA and mine are identical. If that information were digital and we were to compress it with something like winrar, which handles repetitive information well, our .rars would only be a few hundred gigabytes

The differences between us come from the varying expression of that information by the different parts of our body. Tech-wise, this would be analogous to a "seed".

That's what Killing Bites is

>But DNA doesn't actually contain that much information. Each strand is nearly, if not fully, identical to the last
Fair point, but if I choose to fill a 1TB hard drive solely with the same picture of a possum wearing boots, that's still 1TB of information.

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I get the joke but that's a dromaeosaur, which would inarguably be covered in floof.