Name a more lawful good character. You literally cannot

>fanfiction
thats all literally in the game tho

Dumping Kenshiro

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I don't at all agree that this indicates that he follows a code so much as he just reacts to events based on his own personal experiences (DOOM 1 & 2), those being specifically getting dicked over by corrupt authorities (how he got stationed off-planet), that demons ate fucking bad news (Hell on Earth was a thing), and that whenever someone thinks they can play around with hell-related science, things go wrong (Plutonia). He can easily be described as a dude who's just sick and tired of all the bullshit he's seen and wants none of it. Any underlying code would be an unnecessary addition.

Jonathan Joestar, also doomguy isn't lawful.

>He can easily be described as a dude who's just sick and tired of all the bullshit he's seen and wants none of it.
Not really vouching for him being lawful good, but Doom Slayer is extremely, blatantly a good person, with his rescue of Vega being possibly the most standout moment.

I was also under the assumption Doom Slayer was an alien (or at least alternate reality-ian) knight, not literally the Doom Marine, but I guess it's intended by kinda ambiguous.

Doomguy/Doom Slayer is all but lawful. More like Chaotic. Hell, the original Doomguy was sent to Mars because he mauled his superior because the latter ordered him to shoot civilians. Doomguy didn't like to do that and did what he did.

As expected from the guy who is the son of Commander Keen and the grandson of Blazkowicz.

>the original Doomguy was sent to Mars because he mauled his superior because the latter ordered him to shoot civilians
Okay. So. This is literally the definition of "Lawful Good."

Is it still LG if his rampage in Doom 2 was fuelled out of vengeance?

What's lawful in beating an asshole superior?

Lawful Good does not follow the law all the time, they actively work against corrupt and evil leadership.

I'll say it again. Lawful Good is not equal to "Strictly following laws or orders" when those laws would mean harming an innocent who has no reason to be harmed. He followed his own moral code of "Let's not shoot these unarmed civilians" and instead chose to beat the shit out the obviously evil commander. Lawful Good is not obligated to follow rules if those rules are unjust. Lawful Good is obligated to a strict moral code.
Lawful neutral at best would be just doing as your superior tells you in this situation. Lawful, sure, but not good.

OK, I stand correct.

The part where Asshole Superior made an Unlawful Order.

Yes, fuck those rabbit-killing bastards

Just a reminder that "Lawful", is poorly named. "Orderly", or "Structured" would've been better.
Lawful Good isn't Law first, it's approaching how you do good things in an ordered manner. Instead of going with your gut, or crossing bridges when you get to them, you attempt to find the way to do the most amount of good while minimizing collateral damage, and allowing bystanders to keep living a largely ordinary life.

If said superior uses the law/social order to do evil.
Yes it absolutely is.

Lawful good didn't men that you have to where to all laws and have to be always good, that would a idea only a mentally handicapped could see feasible.
It means you work for the good law, the laws that make a community prosper and protect the innocent.

Well, that's rare for Veeky Forums
Even more for an alignment thread.

How the fuck is a literal beacon of mindless rage LG
He's very much NG, dipping into chaotic edgelord when going berserk
The denizens of hell are being slaughtered by invaders stealing their energy sources and literally grafting weapons on their brethren
Their inscriptions ingame tell us they're absolutely terrified of the doomguy and, most of all, they have no way of stopping him, to the point they had to collapse a building on him, strap the remains in a coffin and seal it away (FOR A WHILE)

What about him?

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>How the fuck is a literal beacon of mindless rage LG
He's not mindless. He knows what the demons can do, and he H A T E S I T.
He feels anger that Hayden put his goal over the lives of his employees in literally the first two minutes of 2016 DOOM. That's not mindless rage, that's justified rage.
>He's very much NG, dipping into chaotic edgelord when going berserk
Showing no mercy to literal beacons of hate and evil is not chaotic. Keep in mind that Doom Slayer and Doom Marine are two different people.
>The denizens of hell are being slaughtered by invaders stealing their energy sources and literally grafting weapons on their brethren
The denizens of Hell stole the energy from the Argent Plane originally.
>Their inscriptions ingame tell us they're absolutely terrified of the doomguy and, most of all, they have no way of stopping him, to the point they had to collapse a building on him, strap the remains in a coffin and seal it away (FOR A WHILE)
The demons are literal embodiment of evil, and refused to show mercy to any of the employees on the Mars base. Why shouldn't they receive the same treatment the Doom Slayer?

A further reminder that Lawful and Chaotic are holdovers from when there were only three alignments (The third one is Neutral) and Lawful was covering modern Law and modern Good in one package. Also both non-neutral alignments were for crazy idealists beyond the scope of normal human behavior.

>The gods knew the man deserved it... but young Sam was watching him, across thirty years. When we break down, it all breaks down. That's just how it works. You can bend it, and if you make it hot enough you can bend it in a circle, but you can't break it. When you break it, it all breaks down until there's nothing unbroken. It starts here and now. He lowered the sword.
>He wanted to go home. He wanted it so much that he trembled at the thought. But if the price of that was selling good men to the night, if the price was filling those graves, if the price was not fighting with every trick he knew....Then it was too high

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Doom 2016 is a reboot, not literally doom 4, not he's some sort of rage angel thing

Honestly, isn't he more like neutral? He doesn't seem to give a shit about anything but slaughtering demons by the truckload.

Except hayden sees himself (and likely is) humanity's only hope
He solved earth's energy crisis, ultimately cleaned up the clusterfuck the cultists caused and got out of it with an hilariously overpowered artefact
The doom marine is decidedly not lawful, even before Vega he carelessly destroys precious equipment vital to humanity's survival just because it would be too much of a bother
ALSO if you follow the cutscene lore he's taking revenge for himself, after he sold his son to the devil
He's a fallen paladin, the icon of sin being hell's crude reminder of his deeds
He has nothing but his personal interests in mind, anger and pity are the only emotions he's felt for millennia, trough at least 3 lifetimes
According to the lore of the lore it's meant to be connected

>just because it would be too much of a bother
Nigger he's looking for a way to deactivate it safely, until he hears it works off of Demonic Energy. Which is when he just smashes it.

Later in the same mission he pauses smashing one of them to listen to Hayden's explanation of why he shouldn't smash it, then smashes it because the explanation wasn't good enough.

He's not a mindless berserker. He has a character and personality, and it's shown through his movements and 'camera' angles, rather than words.

>after he sold his son to the devil
What the actual fuck are you talking about?

>after he sold his son to the devil
He traded the key to Argent Nur to the devil for his son to be brought back to life, but the devil didn't explicitly say HOW, just that he would. He didn't sell his son to the devil.

>What the actual fuck are you talking about
Nigga did you even play the game?
d44mguy was part of the defenders of the argent plane, until he's corrupted by the forces of hell in exchange for his son's life
So hell gets to ravage his world, his son is brought back as a demonic hellspawn of nope and he gets royally shafted over
It's all his fault

He's the original guy, he just met the other while in hell.

The guy that betrayed the argent whatevers was someone else.
Can you idiots read

That's not the same as selling his son to the devil, under you are actively and knowingly misinterpreting the situation in order to make your argument.

That's making a deal with the devil, and getting fucked over.

>Make a deal with the devil, for your own personal gain
>At the cost of an untold number of lives
>Vow to get revenge FOR NOT READING THE FINE PRINT
>Go on a millennia long genocide
Wow, very lawful good

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There is a pure logic gate behavior to DoomGuy. The response will NEVER change. He has a code of behavior, he never deviates from it. Lawful. Look at my picture and read it. It sums up the entirety of the argument well.

If demon=kill
if innocent=not kill

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>>Make a deal with the devil, for your son
>>At the cost of an untold number of lives
>>Vow to get revenge for being tricked
>>Go on a millennia long genocide
He realized he fucked up and wants to right his wrongs. Instead of falling, he's granted even more power by his gods so his righteous fury can cause even the most fearsome demon to slink down to the lowest circle of Hell.

Isn't he literally the guy from Doom 1, 2 & 64?

Wasn’t the father some other guy?

Debatable
Ingame It's left vague, since they needed to bait a sequel
Though there are indeed multiple marines
Blazkowich's descendant in 1, bunny guy in 2, some engineer in the novels, and possibly doomguy in 4

>In the first age, in the first battle, when the shadows first lengthened, one stood. Burned by the embers of Armageddon, his soul blistered by the fires of Hell and tainted beyond ascension, he chose the path of perpetual torment. In his ravenous hatred he found no peace; and with boiling blood he scoured the Umbral Plains seeking vengeance against the dark lords who had wronged him. He wore the crown of the Night Sentinels, and those that tasted the bite of his sword named him... the Doom Slayer.
>Yet as the mighty Titan fell and dread engulfed the armies of Doom, the demon priests of the Blood Temples laid a trap to capture this scourge of Hell. Insatiable, even by the vanquishing of the Great One, the Hell Walker sought prey in the tombs of the Blood Keep. And blinded by his fervor, the lure drew him in. The priests brought down the temple upon the Doom Slayer, and in his defeat entombed him in the cursed sarcophagus. The mark of the Doom Slayer was burned upon his crypt, a warning to all of Hell that the terror within must never be freed. There he lies still, and ever more, in silent suffering.
>An etching in the book Daeva (another discovery of the Kadingir expedition), depicts the DOOM Marine wearing the Praetor suit, engaging demons in battle as a hooded figure looks on. This image had been previously observed numerous times in other artifacts, but only with the actual discovery of the DOOM Marine and Praetor suit in the sealed Kadingir tomb have researchers begun to put other pieces together. It is now believed the DOOM Marine might have been part of an ancient group or tribe, maybe even their leader. Whether he is god, demon or human will remain undetermined until the Argent barrier protecting his body can be deactivated.

>Blazkowich's descendant in 1, bunny guy in 2
Those two are explicitly the same guy.

>boo hoo think of the poor demons

>lawful
>disobeys the rules of the UAC and the commands of its CEO in order to get the job done

Doomguy doesn't give a single solitary fuck for rules. He is as Chaotic Good as they come.

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>Except hayden sees himself (and likely is) humanity's only hope

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>Except hayden sees himself (and likely is) humanity's only hope
>I'm going to work with this energy I don't fully understand, and that causes Demons to show up and butcher people
>I'm going to ignore the guy who has been dealing with demons, and their bullshit, for millennia because obviously I know better than he does
>Humanity's only hope.

Hayden is humanity's doom.

Official list of Doomguys:
>OG!Doomguy (1, 2, 64. May, may not be Doom Slayer)
>Mobile RPGs!Doomguy (aka Stan Blazkowicz)
>Doom3guys. (The Marine, the Engineer and the Bravo Marine. The first appeared in the main game, the others in the expansions)
>Doom Slayer (DOOM, Quake Champions. Either OG!Doomguy, leader of the Night Sentinels and/or the guy who betrayed them to resurrect his son)

This guy, Michael Carpenter, and Ramza Beoulve are my top three paladins in fiction.

A little update, in Twitter both Tom Hall and John Romero confirmed that Doomguy IS the son of Commander Keen and granson of BJ Blazkowicz.

Man, that's fucked up that Doomguy has to put his dad out of his misery to finish a level

Isn't Keen BJ's grandson?

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>was also under the assumption Doom Slayer was an alien (or at least alternate reality-ian) knight, not literally the Doom Marine, but I guess it's intended by kinda ambiguous.
I think there's some bit of lore/word of god from one of the earlier games where it's stated the original Doom Guy went dimension hopping after the end of the games and ALL spin offs/future games/mods/fan made games are the canon adventures of him wandering the multiverse

There is always someone in need of a good rip and tear

Doom 64. Over the course of 64's plot Doomguy slowly loses his shit and becomes increasingly unhinged, reveling in the slaughter of demons. At the end he realizes he's never going to be able to rejoin society and steps through the portal into hell to keep killing demons for as long as he can.

That was the end of it, until D44M, where we learn he met up with a coalition of other hellfighters (I like to imagine it's Corvus, the guys from Hexen, and CHEX WARRIOR) and kicked ass for so long the best Hell could do was trap him in a troll linedef and hope it'd hold him.

Not unless you're prepared to replace it with something, which he obviously isn't because he can't have a conversation.

who gives a shit, master chef got beaten by two bubble dragons

>CHEX WARRIOR

Okay, hold on there cowboy. What the hell is the Chex Warrior? The cereal? It's not the cereal is it?

You never seen Chex Quest? It was an official WAD released in cereal boxes of, you guessed it, Chex.

I think Halo is a pretty cool guy. eh kills aleins and doesnt afraid of anything.

>he never played chex quest

>hooded figure is the player

I always figured Doom Slayer was the resurrected son.
The dad had fallen to the demons, so when the son came back he went berko over it.

As for his alignment? He's Good, no other defining to it.
He does the right thing (killing demons, saving VEGA) and will do so regardless of being told not to (Argent Filters)

You can see his face if you look at the models.
He's human, or at least looks human.

>hellfighters (...CHEX WARRIOR)
Given how zorchers are supposed to work, would that imply the Flemoid Dimension is now full of demons? That sounds like it could have unintended consequences.

So it chex out there is indeed a version of DOOM that is just for selling a cereal. I learned something today.

Lawful good always applies to internal laws as well. If a character has a moral code that they absolutely refuse to budge on, if they believe they are absolutely justified in everything they're doing, they're lawful. Chaotic implies a more freeform way of doing things, where moral codes get lost in it all, but you're still ultimately trying to be good.
Batman is lawful good, Rorschach is chaotic good. Both try their damnedest to do good in the world, but Batman has rules, Rorschach doesn't.
That three-second scene where he backs up VEGA's database is the epitome of efficient, show-don't tell characterization. We don't need doomguy to give us speeches on AI rights, or how he considers the death of innocents abhorrent, or how he's ultimately trying to do as much good as possible, regardless of orders, we just need to see him stay behind a few seconds longer in an exploding facility, to literally save a life.

>this nigga doesn't know about motherfucking CHEX QUEST

Somebody's got some vidya to play. Shit's free and open source, my lad, go get it.

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He expresses empathy over the innocent.
But being literally stuck in hell for eons- his mourning and shock phases are relatively short.

I'm fairly sure covering demons in snot is an effective deterrent.

What? Rorschach literally at the end said "Never compromise, even in the face of Armageddon." That's as lawful stupid as it gets, which is how the writer intended him to be.

The writer also made him the most morally consistent character in the whole thing and unintentionally made him a Don Quixote like figure. I get what he was going for with him, but when everyone else is worse in some way it's not hard to see him as more sympathetic.

>spends the first level angrily dismissing Samuel because he doesn't respect him, having allowed all the humans on mars to die
>Has some sort of ties to ancient order of warriorbros who protected alien heaven or something
>Saves VEGA despite it probably being in his best interests not to
>smashes energy collectors to discourage redevelopment of the facility, protecting humanity from themselves

>LITERALLY GIVEN HIS POWERS BY GOD

Yeah no he's lawful good

Excellent taste user.

Original Quote Poster forgot to finish it.

>History finds a way? History would have to come up with something good. It was up against Sam Vimes now.

>Killing world-destroying demons isn't Good
Doomguy is righteous zealot done right. He only hurts things that are evil, and he really fucking hurts them.

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>Doom Slayer and Doom Marine are two different people.
the hell you say

>unintentionally made him a Don Quixote like figure.

I get a hearty ass chuckle out of this sort of thing because Don Quixote wasn't intended to be a Don Quixote, Cervantes never wanted people to idealize or sympathize with Quixote because the whole point of the story was how dumb chivalrous fiction was. But instead it had the exact opposite effect. Speaking as someone who loves me some idealized Don Quixote I can't help but laugh.

Anyway, as for Rorshach, I disagree - he's morally consistent yes, but we also see what an ugly person he is. Even before that incident that makes him flip his tits it's clear he's emotionally and mentally damaged from what we learn of his youth. Rorshach does the right thing for the wrong reasons. Ifound Nite Owl to be the most relatable because he wants to do the right thing, for the right reasons, and isn't sure he can until necessity forces him to put aside his reservations.

You're right but your example is wrong.

lawful good protagonist of the most christian video game franchise, smiting evil and slaying demons of hell, this is who all paladins should aspire to be.

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You can laugh, but with both characters you still get the same result. For the Don, he's the only character in the story to never lie or deceive anyone and tries (poorly) to be a chivalrous and knightly individual as depicted in all the books he read in his delusional state. For Rorshach, he clings to his deeply held beliefs to keep some semblance of sanity and never relents on his ideals even when potential nuclear destruction is on the line.

Both are meant to be mocked for their ridiculous antics and behavior but end up being more sympathetic to the reader because everyone around them is worse in some way. That's my two cents on it anyway.

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Wait. He's given his powers by God??

Prove me wrong motherfucker

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wat

I saw a theory video today. The basic gist was, in order

There are angel dudes in some dimension (not hell)
One of the angel dudes has his son stolen or killed or something by Hell demons.
He betrays his bretheren to make a deal with the demons to get his son back.
He gets his son back, but he has been turned into a demon by the demons (specifically he becomes the Icon of Sin)

The Betrayer feels bad about the whole betraying thing and seeks redemption
He achieves this by leaving his body behind and becoming a spooky ghost

At the same time, Doomguy finishes Episode 1: Knee Deep in the Dead and is killed by demons. Before John can become the demons by Hell's corruption, the Betrayer infuses with him and that's why he comes back to life in Hell, or something.

I don't know how accurate it is, I need to go through and 100% Doom 4.

>Keep in mind that Doom Slayer and Doom Marine are two different people.

Wrong

Nope. Doom 4 basically canonized all the games. After Doom Guy stayed in hell (in Doom 64 of all games), he joined up with some like-minded fuckers and has been fighting demons across hell and other universes for a geological time period.

That was a different dude. He ended up making Doom Guy's modern armor (and may actually inhabit it as a ghost in the machine). He's also probably the voice in the opening 5 seconds of the game.

Fuck yeah. I haven't heard this name online in so damn long. Keen was my first fictional hero I think.

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Wait what?