Dangerous Dastardly Doppelgangers Doing Dark Dimir Deeds Edition
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I tried to build Toshiro. He seems so good, but in the end, you wind up reusing kill spells and edicts; the entire thing is really lack luster. He's really powerful in the 99 of a lot of decks, but as a commander, he doesn't have the stats to smash face, and there aren't a lot of black instants that are going to kill people. I love him in my rakdos deck.
I was playing with a shit incomplete Krenko deck and won against a full tuned Omnath and Arahbo.
It was really sad, I don't think I'll make any friend if I keep playing this.
Hudson Bennett
I built him and found the deck unexpectedly good. The win conditions are the traditional mono-black stuff. He and the instants fulfill the control aspect, and it works unless you're up against some enchantment deck or combo that doesn't rely on creatures.
Gabriel Hernandez
I'm pretty sure you weren't playing a fully tuned omnath and Arahbo. I don't even think a fully tuned Arahbo deck exists.
Nathan Morgan
Believe it or not, shit players with good decks usually lose against good players with undertuned decks.
Jaxson Campbell
I was exaggerating, but their decks looked pretty solid and I don't have half of the combo cards (I don't even have enough cards to complete the required 100). I believe that, but I'm not a good player. I literally started playing EDH a week ago.
Xavier Jones
Convince me not to buy this to go with my Lily deck.
"Competitive" arahbo and omnath decks don't exist, and playing with less than 100 cards is a boon, not something negative.
Krenko pubstomps players that don't pack enough removal, and that's what happened.
Owen Bell
You overestimate older players. People can be fucking shit at magic after 20 years. Literal autism often doesn't help. I speak from experience with an autistic person in my previous playgroup.
Brody Bennett
Why didn't you keep posting? I ended up buying it. I can't believe you'd betray my trust like that.
Its more of a recent thing or some foils. Feel any of the latest cards out of say ixalan- very weak material that often curls up when left unsleeved for even a day. Shits bad man, WOTC is killing themselves with the mediocre quality.
Zachary Ward
Composition isn't as nice, but I considered it.
Aaron Turner
What if I buy it and neatly paste a sticker over the qualifiers logo that says "I just bought this to match my deck I didn't win it"
Jack Hall
Really? A friend of mine gave a pack of Ixalan and the card quality wasn't that bad. Is it a regional thing or am I just lucky?
Gabriel Brown
Thanks for your opinion anons, but there are three separate threads where you can discuss this. Please keep your discussion specifically about commander, the cards, and directly relevant content.
What decks do you guys play?
Aaron Jackson
I can agree with that, but I feel Lili having her arms out with "CHAMPION" underneath it is too good to pass up.
Camden Lee
>Is it a regional thing or am I just lucky? It's exactly that. Cards printed in the US are currently made from spittle and used diapers while the Belgian printings that are mostly distributed in EU still use the old quality cardstock.
Blake Mitchell
Yeah understandable, I try not to focus on the negativity surrounding the game right now, just a bummer sometimes. Right now I'm enjoying my scarab god and gitrog decks, looking forward to combining them for muldrotha next month.
Adrian Evans
>I try not to focus on the negativity surrounding the game right now, just a bummer sometimes Where do you think you are?
Muldotha seems like it's going to be the flavour of the month. I'm more excited for the resurgence of devotion; it's one of my favorite mechanics. The wizards deck looks pretty stronk, thank fuck I bought the wizards precon moths ago.
Take it elsewhere user.
What's your absolutely favorite card?
Owen Jones
Yes, Last Hope is the most tasteful Lili.
Christian Anderson
Meh, I dont really care if people think its "flavor of the month". People said that with locust god but I still find him very fun and hilarious to play.
Aaron Wilson
>not Death's Majesty
Ethan Green
Oh, that's not necessarily a bad thing, I realize after I said it that I sounded more dickish than I meant it.
What I mean to say is, it has a very powerful effect that will attract a lot of people, so you're likely to see lots of those decks. The monoblack demons will be the exact same way, and in a sense, because it's a legends matter set, I think that's a good thing.
Mason Hill
Eh, I see your point, but I think Last Hope is slightly more fashionable.
Brandon Rogers
>not ordering a custom printed one
Eli Wood
i see mask but i never see lens. i prefer the lens tho, any opinions?
Embrace your neckbeard user, it's already embracing you.
Jayden Fisher
Mask seems a bit more versatile to me due to the "draw two cards" thing.
Bentley Gray
There are many ways for a creature to not be blocked but very few ways to force people to block a creature.
Connor Morris
Unfortunately, copyright exists. I really wanted an Avacyn playmat but inkedplaymats couldn't print it because of copyrighted artwork, so I went to some other custom mat from amazon and it came out blurry, tried one more time and still not good before just saying fuck it and buying the flip Avacyn for 60 dollars because ultra pro never reprints anything.
Logan King
they both draw two cards. the mask makes you discard one though.
true. although if i'm swinging with a 15/15 it does incentivize blocking.
Liam Young
>true. although if i'm swinging with a 15/15 it does incentivize blocking. That's the definition of winmore; if you're swinging with a 15/15 you're in pretty good shape already, the draw is just a bonus.
Aaron Edwards
Yes, but it incentivizes you more to make it unblockable than to draw a single card and allow your opponent one more turn.
Nolan Morales
I run lens in my mono red grenzo double damage deck. turns out all you need is 1/1's capable of dealing 8 damage
Is it all American cards? I was going to get a game day promo of Ghalta, but is it just going to be curled to shit.
Robert Foster
it's two cards
>if you're swinging with a 15/15 you're in pretty good shape already, the draw is just a bonus. i have played so many games where i had a 15/15 or a 50/50 or a 100/100 and i still lost due to lack of card draw. in my meta big creatures usually get removed quickly or blocked forever or they can only kill one player before the game ends due to other circumstances.
to me the lens makes more sense than the mask, because it forces your opponent to make a bad choice. if you have the mask on a creature and you attack it forces them to block with a dork...which means you get no damage through and no cards. with the lens you get something no matter what. my deck doesn't have a lot of unblockable attackers.
do you run mask too?
Elijah Turner
Yup.
Do you have any interesting simic tech? I think this badboy is fantastic.
This is exactly the kind of spicy tech I need for the Grixis Fight Club/Thunder Dome, bless you user.
Nathaniel Howard
>having huge creatures without trample or flying >in Boros of all colours What deck are you playing user? How do you get creatures that big without trample? Hamletback goliath?
Brayden Barnes
Do you guys run many man lands? If so which ones are best? I've always had a soft spot for Mishra's Factory and Mutavault. 1 mana activation is just too good.
I never understood why mishra's factory is good. Is it because you can use the mana to create a 2/2? Or because you can have a 3/3 with blocking shenanagains? Why wouldn't you just play a basic land instead?
Xavier Anderson
>but is it just going to be curled to shit. If From the Vault has taught me anything, it's that foil curling can be fixed with a heavy book or two and some patience. Typically they don't re-curl either. I don't LIKE the prospect of giving every foil a month under the complete works of shakespeare but if I'm willing to invest the cash to trick out a deck, I should be willing to invest the dedication as well.
Samuel Cox
Pygmy Hippo is not very good. I guess it maybe forces someone to tap out if they don't block it for some reason.
Blake Johnson
Pay one mana to make it a dude, block, and then tap to pump its self. so a 3/3 blocker for 1 mana.
Caleb Bailey
Having a body after a wrath is always good. And yes, being able to make a 3/3 blocker all of a sudden is very good.
Eli Wood
Basic lands can't swing for 2, and manlands in general dodge a lot of sorcery speed removal since they're not creatures on your opponent's turn.
Sebastian Ward
How heavy and how long are we talking about? I've tried that before but maybe didn't do it long enough.
Brody Diaz
Er, not him but doesn't blocking constitute as "tapping" I mean, a creature with vigilance wouldn't tap but if you turn it into a dude, then block it would be tapped and wouldn't be able to be tapped, right?
Landon Anderson
It's so you can have a wrath-proof creature that doesn't cost mana to put on the board in the first place. Factory isn't GREAT in EDH because a 2/2 isn't amazingly relevant in EDH, and in truth you don't see it played a lot. In 20-life formats a 2/2 can grind alright if you're constantly clearing board, so Factory (or newer man lands like Creeping Tar Pit) do a really good job at letting the control player eventually close out the game without using "Business" slots on their wincon rather than moar counterspells/removal/wipes.
Jaxon Lewis
It seems like a card like jitte where the power is more nuanced, than giant blue seamonster #3492.
Oh, now I'm starting to get it. You're right, that's really strong.
Ryan Scott
Killing an enemy is worth 2 cards
Gabriel Cruz
Blocking doesn't tap creatures at all, user. Attacking and regenerating do.
Nolan Evans
>Er, not him but doesn't blocking constitute as "tapping" I mean, a creature with vigilance wouldn't tap but if you turn it into a dude, then block it would be tapped and wouldn't be able to be tapped, right? What? Blocking doesn't tap anything ever, unless otherwise specified.
Matthew Morales
You use another land to turn it into a creature, assign it as a blocker, priority occurs, before combat damage buff itself, still counts as a blocker. If something is blocking, then gets tapped, it's still blocking. If it's tapped before that though, it can't block.
Ayden Adams
I run a Factory or Mutavault in any decks that run swords of x and y. Having a land pick up a sword after a board wipe is clutch.
Kevin Murphy
And 1 to wake it up for the turn is a steal
Grayson Bell
I've bought 3 FTV sets: Dragons, Angels, and Transform. They all came out of the box fucking curled. I'd say you want a hardback and a hard surface to rest the cards on, a minimum weight of 1 dictionary (you can stack multiple books if you need to) and to leave it for at least a month without disturbing it. Atmoshperic conditions in your room might matter: it probably takes a little longer in winter when the air is cold and dry. I wouldn't recommend pressing foils in the bath or anything for heat and humidity, but be aware what way of center your average indoor environment might be.
I haven't done science on flattening the damn things but I'd say check it after a, undisturbed month and if the improvement isn't great, give it two. If that doesn't do it, I don't know what to tell you.
William Gonzalez
Why not equip both? >creature gets blocked, draw 2 cards >creature doesn't get blocked, draw 2 cards, though discard one
Matthew Perry
Hey, thank you for that! I'm going to give it a try.
actually no, it's kind of a nonbo with how heavily encourage/punish blocks.
Jonathan Diaz
Does anyone play Locust God as their general? What can the deck do without its commander in play? I want to build it, but I don't want another one-trick pony deck. I'm between that and Kruphix Eldrazi Tribal
Dylan Adams
>go over to my friend's house to play EDH >things are going fine, there's a tv in the game room that we usually watch movies on or whatever while >he's a shameless monoblack fag, loves zombies, and is an edgelord in general >today he's really excited to show off his new geth reanimator deck >we're playing for an hour or so, he has netflix on in the background >he's winning, just barely, buddy playing brago is doing his best to keep his billion mana in check, Ayumi is doing it's green voltron thing, and I'm about to pull some Kraj nonsense out of my back pocket >suddenly I look up at the tv for whatever reason >there's a literal autopsy on tv >an actual honest to god "here we're dissecting people" autopsy, but for a morbidly obese lady >buddy is just casually eating some chips, playing commander, and watching as people are pulling this corpse's organs out >I'm visibly distracted, I start miss playing, Geth is occasionally laughing at the person's unhealthy anatomy >normally we watch horror movies, so it would be very easy not to notice, and no one else does >night ends, I wind up flubbing the game, everyone high fives and gets going >I ask Geth about the autopsy, he confirms that it was an actual human autopsy with a nervous giggle >"Oh user, it's better to watch than actually be a serial killer" How the fuck should I feel about this guys? Am I overreacting?
That's more of an indicator that they play other card games as well, and it's part of a reflex/habit.
Kevin Garcia
My wife and I watched that the other day, it was meant to be a documentary on how obesity affects the body. The body was donated to science, she died of heart failure, and they're basically (and really respectfully) showing how negatively it affects your body and how your organs just give out. I wasn't on watching it, I just built edh decks on my lap top and listened, but yeah, it's a tough watch.
Isaiah Murphy
>What's your absolutely favorite card?
One that doesn't curl like shit.
Kevin Cook
I play yugioh pokemon and cardfight and I would never make that mistake. they looked super casual and only played with their kitchen table meta of friends.
If i had to guess, it's a mistake newer people make because it mirrors tapping to attack, you know? actually, it's more intuitive to tap for both attacking and blocking, so i can see how they made that mistake.
i guess that's just some of the complexity maro talks about
Fair enough, I guess it's just a normal thing on tv.
I was just shocked that he put something like that on, and more shocked that the other two didn't notice what was going on. Ayumi in particular is super squeamish, and Geth was weirdly interested in the whole process because he was facing the tv. How can anyone eat while watching that? Is that just normal edgelord behavior, or should I be worried?
Hudson Sullivan
It's St. Patrick's Day. Why are we not having a mono-green theme?
Brandon Lewis
I don't know if you should be worried, edgelords are going to edgelord, and I really don't see a difference between that and televised operations. It's all educational in the end. I knew a guy who used to look for war footage where you see people straight up getting shot and beheaded pleading for their lives. THAT is fucked up.
Robert Cox
good question. I just build pic related with strong +1 counter themes
I want to make a token deck with lots of shenanigans like making token-copies of other creatures, embalming/eternalize stuff and populating them with spells and/or Trostani.
What's the best commander/colors for this purpose? It should at least be blue to have Rite of Replication and Clone Legion
I think you are just an easily offended overly sensitive person, and that all of your friends probably know about it, as evidenced by your friend fucking with you about it when you ask him at the end of the night.
Watching a medical documentary doesn't make people edgelords or serial killers, and I would honestly post gore just to fuck with you right now if I wasn't so certain you have to have images off just to browse a site like Veeky Forums.
Adam Martinez
>There will never be a set like Kamigawa block or Lorwyn/Shadowmoore ever again.
Blake Collins
>Tfw pull a 120 dollar foil I'm not incredibly superstitious, but I'm an EMT and I'm afraid I've used up all my St. Patty's luck.
If you're going to run Heartstone, why not run Training Grounds instead/in addition to?
Ian Nelson
Some Bant commander is probably your best bet. There's a couple of red spells that say something along the lines of 'Make a copy of target creature, it has haste and dies at end of turn' that you might wanna look at so maybe red might be worth splashing.
Angel Williams
>friend is a sociopath and you don’t think he’s on here right now
Jordan Sullivan
hi user's friend
Justin Morales
Go for a partner combo then? Unfortunatly, only Tana or Ravos soultender seems to be good for that strategy and them together doesn't have the most crucial color; blue
