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Robbie himself just shared this.
Features Khauri, obviously the young psyker rescued from the 1st book, now a Lexicanium, Te Kahurangi and most importantly, Tyberos himself.
I'm bloody hype lads. My little pain is that it is confirmed that Tyberos' Red Brethren are wearing off white Terminator armour, not grey, which means I'll have to repaint a model or two.
i thought this was about esoterrorists from the title and got excited
I'm trying to figure out what the carving is. It's not a shark, that much is true. Some sort of mythological monster/cryptid.
I want to say Vampire, but...
A scarier shark maybe?
It's directly referenced to be an old Terran myth and tied to their lineage. ...Werewolf, maybe? I know the Luna Wolves had connection to the Terran Raven Guard that would eventually be exiled into the Nomad Predation Fleet.
If it's a Vampiric kind a creature, maybe this adds more to the Night Lords case?
Werewolf would be too SW like imo. Maybe it's just one of those things that is meant to stay vague, for the sake of headcannon.
Carcharodons are canonically Raven Guard exiles.
Its reading excerpts like this that remind me how low Black Library's standards are.
The Space Sharks are, at the very least, largely Raven Guard gene-descendants. My issue with the Night Lord case is that there's only been one situation where they had access to large amounts of Night Lord gene-seed and little to no connection prior during the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy. I'd say genetically they might be closer to Blood Angel or World Eater chimearic natures because of their rage/bloodlust. Luna Wolves had the largest cultural influence on them, though.
It's hard to parse through.
Don't forget Horus' boys were Luna Wolves at first, too.
I know, that's why I mentioned the Terran Raven Guard Exiles.
The chimaeric case has never been announced though. The only "confirmed" chimaeric chapter is the Minotaurs. Chimaeric has never been mentionned for the Carcharodons, hence the absurdity of the NL theory.
True, but it's not impossible. We know that there's been at least one confirmed case of the practice being possible with Honsou of the Iron Warriors being IW/IF.
I don't entirely buy into the connection of the Night Lords, but there's something there. This statue could clear up a lot or lead to more questions.
>Tyberos is now canonically a giant
Based MacNiven.
Are the sharks still 100% marinelets or have they gotten their Chads?
MacNiven said that they would, in a fb post, as far as he was concerned, through different means, ie not through Guilliman dropping a bunch of marines in their lap. However that doesn't mean anything since it can be not approved by GW, and the upcoming novel happens all before the Gathering Storm so we're still very far from any Primaris anywhere in the timeline.
The chimeric Minotaur evidence could just as easily be they had two different time points for testing, one from the WE Minotaurs and one from the IW Minotaurs and those doing the tests thought they were the same chapter.
>Robbie himself just shared this.
Yeah, he also started this thread
>at least one confirmed case of the practice being possible with Honsou of the Iron Warriors being IW/IF.
Yes, but that's as much because of Chaos being forced to make do with inferior gene-seed samples and splice things together to get them to work.
Barring Minotaurs, it's not confirmed (though still entirely plausible) for other Imperial chapters to use the practice, because it's not a necessary one.
My dude, if I was Robbie, you'd know it. Plus my english is wayyy too shit to write novels, it's not even my native language.
>Robbie Macniven
Who is this guy?
Is BL recruiting from Veeky Forums?
A BL writer who is best known for writing about Space Sharks and keeping in contact with 40k fans. He answers questions and posts memes on his tumblr.
The one in the background?
No, the one in the extract from the book.
The official FW Raven Guard transfers have a list of names on it, including obvious vehicle names like Astra Ferrox and Nicor. But on them are things like Bahamut, Leviathan, and Varcolac. Basically names of ancient Terran monsters. Varcolac is supposed to be some kind of werewolf monster from Romanian folklore.
>official FW Raven Guard transfers
I meant official Carcharodon transfers. The OOP sheet.
yeah i see faggots who would claim they're NL or whatever say "RED TITHE SAID CHIMERIC!" when it literally didn't mention it a single time in the book.
the bloodlust is from their Terran heritage faggot read the Moritat wiki and Raven Guard's 30k rulebook fluff.
Now that's interesting.
I'm going to need to remember that. Hopefully the book will reveal what the statue is at some point.
Indeed. Didn't know that since I use the unofficial transfer sheet which doesn't have those.
I'd actually forgotten about the Moritat. That actually fits quite well.
Well, I'm quite comfortable saying that the Space Sharks are unlikely to be any form of chimearic. The Raven Guard gene-seed has all of the issues that are exhibited in the Space Sharks.
>expecting BL to be anything more than pulp
Go read Catcher in the Rye or something you essay-writing fuck.
>ancient Terran monsters
Kind of like the Tyranid naming schemes (which is what the Space Sharks will be fighting in the book). I sense a theme here.
bolter porn will be just that
>Tyberos is now canonically a giant
Odds that he's actually a Primarch pretending to be a marine? If he's not, he's still as big as one, judging by that picture...
He's just big.
He's also a big, big, BIG company man who posts overenthusiastic support for everything new, like doing a blog post on how great and exciting the word Aeldari is, or sucking primaris cock.
Put me right off reading his novels honestly.
Nah, you just get some monstrously fuckhuge marines. Like that guy who's the size of an Ogryn from the Exorcists.
Becoming an Astartes makes an average human get tall and beefy af. What happens if you make like, someone who's already huge or has the genetics to be like 6'5"-7' one? Even bigger.
Honestly, can you blame him? He got the job through the BL submission opportunity, not through a contact or previous work with GW like the vast majority of their employees. He's probably one of the dudes with the most precarious position aming GW related guys.
>can you blame him?
Yes. A suck-up is a suck-up, whatever their reasons.
He writes books that I enjoy. As far as I'm concerned, that's all I care about. I try to not judge stuff by it's maker.
Well put it this way:
I used to lurk in a forum that was big on "rationality" and taking a scientific approach to things.
One day, the site owner went on a rant about how John Wayne's politics made John Wayne unlikable, and thus his films unwatchable crap.
Someone tried to say to him "You not liking John Wayne to the point where you can't watch his stuff doesn't mean the films are bad", but the guy wouldn't accept it.
He was definitely wrong, and it's definitely absurd to say John Wayne's personal politics have any impact on the quality of his movies, but on the other hand that doesn't invalidate that he doesn't like the films, because he can't stand the lead actor.
So yeah, if I see MacNiven being an utter prat on tumblr I can be strongly disinclined to read his fiction, even as a fan of the Carcharodons chapter. I can't make any claims on his skill as a writer, but I can dislike him.
In that case, fair.
You have to separate the works and their creators. It´s important to get to a more objective judgment.
For example: If I showed you a pic and you like it and then I told you that your worst enemy painted it, does it make the pic itself worse?
And if you hate another pic but your big love did it, becomes it better somehow?
Work and creator, user...
Death of the Author is a powerful tool.
Well, the original Terran RG were drawn from "Xeric warriors of the Asiatic Dustfields" who regularly fought the "Yndonesic Bloc".
"Asia" is so vague a term as to be almost meaningless, but they border on something approaching Indonesia; if we assume this also includes Papua New Guinea (and possibly Australia), that brings us all across northern Australia.
We know that by the Unification Wars Terra has no oceans left (the Night Lords in particular are recorded as having fought within the city-lined walls of a former ocean trench), so the "Asiatic Dustfields" might well stretch from Madagascar to what is currently the Pacific Ocean, this being the approximate size of the Indian Ocean; the Tasman Sea, Coral Sea and Great Australian Bight, though they sit south of Australia, might be considered part of this region. Indeed, Australia itself might be.
The ritual tattooing (of armour, if nothing else, being well described in the pre-existing literature) and in particular the personal naming schemes MacNiven has chosen to use tend to indicate a Maori or near-Maori heritage for this early Raven Guard intake; this is also consistent with the Maori after contact with Europeans, when they quickly took on new technologies but remained "savage" and decidedly warlike.
It's likely a stretch to have them controlling the entire dried-up Indian Ocean and Australia too (because that's about 1/6 of the planet and you'd probably have heard more about it in the fluff by now), but controlling the region around New Zealand isn't unlikely (cultures have a tendency to sit) and explains the conflict with the Yndonesic Bloc quite well.
"Xeric" just means "dry": they're dust-warriors. It's pretty on the nose.
So if you were to start with Terran myths, I'd start with Maori. Maybe Whiro.
If it's important, I'm sure the book will revisit it in greater detail.
>it's definitely absurd to say John Wayne's personal politics have any impact on the quality of his movies
I see you've never been subjected to The Conqueror
Did this nigga really just rip a title off Cormac McCarthy? I know 40k is for 12 year olds but plagiarizing the greatest living American author is pretty fucking stupid.
The one bit of fluff that does support the NL theory is that it is mentioned in a HH book that Terran (and only Terran) NLs have naturally pointed teeth from before the geneseed was stabilized after finding Curze.
I think with the Carcharodons being basically confirmed as a Heresy/Scouring-era Blackshield force, it's quite likely they're drawn from a number of legions, possibly with chimeric geneseed; but their major traits (the black eyes, the pale flesh) are certainly consistent with Raven Guard-derived geneseed, and their behaviour is certainly consistent with the Terran-born RG who were sent to the Outer Dark when Corax took command.
Broadly speaking the evidence is that they were Raven Guard, whose preservation (or breaking on the thankless task of conquering unseen alien territories in the name of humanity, if not the Emperor) Corax foresaw as necessary in some form; there's so little to suggest any other legion that it's barely worth consideration.
However if we see them as the last bastion of what we might call unreconstructed Terran-ism among the early legions - exhibiting ingrained cultural savagery from what had been a warzone planet for millennia - then tactics aside (and they are still rather like the early RG in tactics), their similarities to the other unreconstructed legions, those that failed (like the Night Lords, World Eaters) because of a tendency to savagery are simply Terran traits, nonspecific to any legion. Certainly there were other legions - the Blood Angels, the Space Wolves, even elements of the Imperial Fists - for whom this early Terran savagery was eventually channeled into a more useful form; but Corax chose neither to embrace nor address it.
>I'd say genetically they might be closer to Blood Angel or World Eater chimearic natures because of their rage/bloodlust
Raven Guard have it too, its called the Sable Brand or Ash Blindess and is exactly what the Caracharodons have; Silent bloodlust.
He always was
There's a difference between plagiarism and homage. It's done ALL the time. For instance, Star Trek used episode titles like Through the Looking Glass or In a Mirror, Darkly.
We'll have to wait for a better description of the statue, then. I agree with your estimate, though. The location does sound fitting.
From what I remember, the Space Sharks take to sharpening their teeth themselves. I remember it mentioning in one of Robbie's books that the Scouts tended to do it.
There's no Black Shield about it. They're a Raven Guard exile fleet likely under Arkhas Fel, who commanded the Raven Guard prior to the locating of Corax. There was even a group known as the 'Pale Nomads' at the time, which Te Khuranga seems to carry on as a title.
Yeah, another user mentioned that with the Moritat. I'd forgotten about them.
>He always was
Was he? Apart from this art I'm not sure there was any written evidence saying he was much bigger than other marines.
Indeed. Carcharodons are pretty much 100% confirmed to be RG, and I'd prefer that they stayed RG without any other stuff thrown in the mix, now that we have definite links between the HH Terran RG and the current Carcharodons.
And you're right, they file their own teeth themselves, it's not like exile markings that have to be earned, which is why Bail Sharr's armour, one that once belonged to an Unification War veteran due to the Raptor Imperialis on it, is covered in markings, same for Te Kahurangi, the olest non Dreadnought Carcharodons.
>supposed to be some kind of werewolf monster from Romanian folklore
Vârcolac, or vrykolakas. It's basically a vampire/werewolf/goblin mix. You know the Varghulf from WHFB? That.
>Te Kahurangi
Seriously? That means 'something really important' in Māori
Well yeah, what's wrong with that? It's not like 40k names were ever subtle. That's kinda the whole point.
and Kahuna literally means 'expert '
Man, those art school guys weren't joking when they said he was technically good but uninspiring emotionally. He would probably have made a decent architect or draftsman.
I think it's very telling to compare how detailed the building is in the background vs the people in the foreground. That's probably where the draftsman bit comes from, as well as the complaints about his lack of perspective. I feel as though this gives us an insight into his mindset though: the people are unimportant. The edifice is what matters. Everything else is a background for the STRUCTURE. It makes sense he was an absolutist.
That was before the 1st WW right? I was going to say that it's not surprising he neglects the people after being in the trench but he was just a student before the war here I guess.
He was just an art student yeah, and he wouldn't be exposed to most of his ideas via anti-Semitic pamphlets until years later after the war.
Anyone has any Carcharodons models? I'm always trying to find pics for inspiration, feel free to post your stuff.
You know, if they were a loyal faction of the Ashen Claws they could be both NL AND RG.
Yeah, but they were definitely more of a Blackshield/Independent force, whereas Carcharodons are 100% loyalist, even in terms of faith, where they are noted as having a strong, intimate faith.
>Most of the Carcharodons encountered have shown reverence towards the Imperial Creed and places of Imperial worship. Many also make a habit of carrying devotional items such as prayer scrolls on their wargear. To the Carcharodon Astra the Emperor was Rangu, the Void Father, sire of the Forgotten One. Like the Carcharodons, His vigilance was eternal, a beacon in the night, the bane of the encroaching shadows. Their Chapter had left humanity for the emptiness of the Outer Dark when He had still walked among mortals, and they would not return until He did so once again. Only with the coming of the Forgotten One could the Edicts of Exile be overturned, and the Chapter's eternal crusade in the darkness be brought to an end.
>The Carcharodon Astra are a faithful brotherhood, even by the standards of the Adeptus Astartes. Their creed is an old one, older than the superstitions and misbeliefs of the current Imperial Cult. Theirs is not some blind faith based on hollow praise and lavish donations. Their memories of the Emperor are of a living, breathing titan, and Terra is far more to them than some distant hub of galaxy-spanning bureaucracy. Their connection to it is ancient and primal. It has sustained their loyalty and their determination for ten thousand standard years, amidst the loneliness of the Outer Dark. When they had first been banished, none had expected them to survive, let alone remain united as a Chapter. But survive they had, their disparate heritage bound by their faith in Him on Earth. Nothing could shake that.
Space Jaws.
>Odds that he's actually a Primarch pretending to be a marine?
Tyberos being Corax returns to his forsaken sons to lead them in secret would actually be pretty neat.
>Tyberios is Corax
This makes a disturbing amount of sense. Though, he did submit to gene samples and pyschic scans when he first showed up at Badab
Do they make the scary music as they approach their target?
>"I know you guys have been waiting in Bumfuck, Nowhere in the void for 10k years, but shit was so funny I didn't dare stop it. Now, let's see how's Daddy doing..."
Jaws or Jaws IV?
[spoile]Technically it's not a vow of silence, it's their hypnoconditioning that forbids them from talking while fighting.[/spoiler]
I've tended to view the Ashen Claws as forerunners of the Carcharodons who had been living out beyond most of the Imperium's structures for some time before the Heresy and were as surprised by it as anybody else, but - having needed resupply the same as anybody else for certain things - started raiding and taking in other legion Blackshields who fitted with their existing tactica and outlook (though not necessarily using their geneseed) once normal supply lines became unusable due to the war. Certainly the implication that they had a sort of empire of their own - however small or vaguely defined - fits with what we might expect of a legion force dispatched to that region prior to the Heresy (with the ultimate goal simply being to capture and perhaps hold territory until the main crusade fleets caught up, however long that might take; when it didn't happen on schedule, you can also imagine them returning to the Imperium to find out why, or simply becoming bitter as they feel they've been entirely forgotten).
As for loyalty after the Heresy - it's clearly intimated that many "Blackshield" forces were actually traitor legion members originally (and may have been for some time before switching sides) though the term of course also covers loyalists of all legions as well (and in fact even loyalists who simply disagreed with their own legion's leadership). Many were simply unsure of how things would go and didn't want to commit to one side or the other or tried to carve out empires of their own - very similar to what we expect the expelled RG to have been doing even prior to the Heresy (though again, with the intent of gradually ceding their territorial claims to the encroaching crusade fleets, as we would expect of territories taken by a Rogue Trader fleet). So it's not a huge stretch to see the Ashen Claws (in whole or as you say a loyalist sub-faction, implying an unseen civil war) as both the expelled RG and the Carcharodons.
>Death of the Author is a powerful tool.
That's not what that means
The big difference between the Ashen Claws and the Carcharodons as you said is the empire they more or less possess. Where the AC sort of have dominion over a region of known space, the latter were sent to the Void, where there is basically fuck all, because there was nothing to be had there. Corax just sent them there, hoping they would die out quietly, but they didn't, and can't have an empire since there's nothing to rule over, which is also one of the reasons they use the Predation Nomade Pattern fleet, in order to survive where there is nothing.
It doesn't have to be, you mong. Check out Prospero Burns for some actual sci fi
Jesus Christ how big is he? Normal marines are big in comparison to humans and Tyberos if fucking huge
I try kitbash Primaris SM with MKIII :D
He's a big guy.
I though SS' fluff was that they used old stuff they could make themselves, seems like an odd chapter to incorporate the new primaris tier things.
Keep in mind he's in terminator armor here. Space marines are generally ~8 - 9 foot in power armor and 10-11 foot in Terminator armor. But yeah, He's probably like 12 foot tall
You need to revise your fluff dude. SM are around 7 feet tall (with slight variations here and there) on average, not 8-9 feet.
Not bad, why didn't you go with black lenses though?
>successor chapter
>MK2 power armor
Hm, i will fix that
The successor chapter was made before the HH was even a thing a'd that's mk4 with an mk3 helmet you scrub.
>Implying they ate a legitimate successor chapter and not some blackshield or shattered legion fragment
>Not knowing that older marks of armour have been passed on to the smaller chapters since the beginning as relics.
user, stop
Who says it's supposed to be primaris? The only use that range has is as a source of truescale parts.
It quite literally says "primaris lt" in the comment below
The Ashen Claws didn't just take in Black shields, they deliberately harvested geneseed from thousands of NLs.
for you
Maybe they hated them.
>McNiven is a surname of Gaelic origin. It is derived from the Gaelic Mac Naoimhín.[1] The latter surname is derived from a personal name based upon naomh ("holy", "saint").[2]
Languages are funny that way.
>Death of the Author does not mean separating him from his work