As the original scout? Or as guards to capture escaping ships?
Brandon Harris
Aw nuts miissed the new thread.
I just wanted to say II kind of like the First Order's depiction as the Desperate Wannabe Empire. Kylo is Desperate Wannabe Vader, Hux is Desperate Wannabe Tarkin, and the massive insecurity complex drives them to do everything bigger and more xtreme than the original Empire to prove their right to rule. Starkiller being way bigger and meaner than the Death Star, those weird super-AT-ATs that seem to exist purely as compensating dick-replacements, Hux's angry ranting speech to the army about how finally they're gonna get the respect they deserve, it's an entire generation that grew up bitter and resentful about what they deserve and were entitled to but were robbed by Luke and his band of degenerates, and I love the top-to-bottom pettiness of it all.
Should've called it Captain Joestar, or maybe Captain Jotaro.
Aiden Johnson
I can still change it- Should it be Jotaro?
Jaxon Anderson
Can you make some kind of Hugh Hefner Snoke card? I don't know shit about X-Wing, I just see Snoke's slippers and shiny golden dressing gown in the red room and immediately think of Hugh Hefner.
Jonathan Powell
the issue there is that we don't have a Snoke card in X-wing. I could make him a knockoff Palpatine, but the issue with that is that I have 3 Palpatines already.
I recreated it, and can change the name now. I've only seen jojo once for the memes- what should the name be?
I'm guessing Jotaro, as the actual pilot's name is Jostero?
Julian Price
>yfw you place that order of TIE Defenders only to find out that Grand Moff Whogivesafuck cancelled Defender production was cancelled yesterday because it was either more Defenders or a human replica droid copy of himself to give him blowjobs whenever he wants one
Isaac Cook
Hux is the Viserys of the Star Wars universe.
He was raised in exile inside of this crazy bubble where his head was constantly filled with stories about the great empire of his ancestors and the treacherous rebels who overthrew it and how it's not just his duty but his destiny to defeat them and restore order and justice to the universe. It's why despite supposedly being this elite miltary leader he's constantly being made a fool of; he's basically incapable of understanding that any outcome but total victory is even possible because his cause is simply too just to be defeated.
The guy even talks like Viserys; his rants about how the galaxy is crying out under the 'disorder' of the NR parallels Viserys' delusions about Westeros being filled with Targaryan loyalists waiting on pins and needles for the return of the true king to deliver them from Baratheon tyranny.
I agree with you about the First Order. I think that everything about them including their frequent incompetence is a perfectly organic-feeling part of the SW universe. Honestly, I like a lot of the overall worldbuilding of the sequel trilogy- it's the execution that sometimes falls flat.
After the second death star blew were there any straight-up defections from the Empire to the rebels, like some Star Destroyer's captain shooting their political officer and jumping to Republic territory to sign up? Or at least breakaway Imperial forces/warlords who decided to ally with the new Republic to protect their little carveout?
Jacob Lewis
>it's an entire generation that grew up bitter and resentful about what they deserve and were entitled to but were robbed by Luke and his band of degenerates >tfw we will never see First Order High Command spend half the length of their holoconferences ranting over each other about how it's everyone's fault but theirs that girls don't want to sleep with them
Nicholas Stewart
Well, they are good comedic relief if nothing else.
Austin Wilson
>OP gets dubs
Nice
Anyway /swg/ I have this X-Wing build I'm trying to perfect. I'm thinking about ditching Karsabi for another ship.
Honestly I might wait for Krennic so I can take him on the shuttle with Hux and take VI/LWF/title Pure Sabacc instead of Karsabi
(100)
Lieutenant Karsabi (31) - Alpha-class Star Wing A Score To Settle (0), XG-1 Assault Configuration (1), Linked Battery (2), "Mangler" Cannon (4)
Omicron Group Pilot (29) - Lambda-Class Shuttle Advanced Sensors (3), General Hux (5)
Major Vynder (40) - Alpha-class Star Wing Push The Limit (3), Harpoon Missiles (4), OS-1 Arsenal Loadout (2), Advanced SLAM (2), Proton Rockets (3)
I think I might have posted this in a previous general but all I remember was something about taking Prockets from Vynder
John Evans
"Jawas! Will not! Replace us!"
Robert Ward
Yeah, much different entity.
The Fel Empire is probably my favorite faction in Star Wars, though, second to maybe Pellaeon's Remnant. I love how it has the cool aesthetics of Palpatine's Empire, but is considerably more benevolent.
Elijah Russell
>go to /swco/ on /trash/ >pornposting starts >thread devolves to shit in 10 posts
I don't know what to say; it seems doomed, but I feel kinda bad
>Or at least breakaway Imperial forces/warlords who decided to ally with the new Republic to protect their little carveout? Literally the smartest strategy the Imperial remnant could've come up with after Endor and the writing was on the wall was immediately recognize the New Republic then petition for membership as a single giant coherent state. They could've been like the U.S. in the United Nations and have more influence and sway than everyone else put together and build a bunch of political alliances that ensures the new Republic ends up decentralized and feckless. Enjoy all the perks of being a galactic superpower with none of the responsibility of running the galaxy.
Daniel Flores
That's /trash/ for ya. ... Was it at least on topic shitposting?
Tyler Taylor
Honestly, I like
>Swap the Hux Shuttle to Palp shuttle (col det, palp) as you don't really need a lot of focus tokens, you frequently won't have 3 ships in range, and it makes you predictable. Palp keeps you alive and lets Vynder keep the lock and proc harpoons often.
>Swap Karsabi to Inquisitor (PTL, Title, Autos) as you want something to have a bit more staying power and maneuverability. Also, to not get fucked by Dash.
Huz doesn't really work well unless in a 4+ ship build.
Austin Lee
>all of them are absolutely obsessed with interspecies relationships and how they're a slow path to human genocide, even when they're with genetically compatible Near-Humans >all of them secretly have paid subscriptions to HUMANED.holo
Ayden Mitchell
My complaint is that the First Order and the Empire and generally any antagonist we've seen so far is miserably incompetent in all aspects in every facet from the top to the bottom.
You don't have to be an Impfag to know the dramatic value of an ISD chasing Rebels and providing a massive threat and possible imminent death.
Really gets killed now in Disneycanon when you realize a street urchin with a blaster pistol could blow up a Star Destroyer and a single X-Wing could probably annihilate the entire Imperial Navy.
Even Stackpole didn't pain the Empire as this blundering and stupid, and his Imperials were mostly very blundering and stupid people.
Mason Russell
Considering it's /trash/ and /swco/ I'm not sure if there IS a topic other than "Star Wars"
So...yes?
John Turner
EU? Definitely, though the Remnant was a lot stronger and more active than in current canon where they mostly seem to have crumbled with a latch ditch effort to turn things around over Jakku that didn't end well for them. Also in new canon the rebellion/new repub were capturing entire shipyards. Definitely defectors, but probably way more people who realized they could just slip out the back, bury the uniform, and find a new life somewhere. The Poe comic in particular involves one such individual who left it all beyond but came back around to the First Order.
At least some of the posts talking about it here are being deleted. Not sure if it's because it's too meta or a passive aggressive reminder to "Stay on target."
A lot of the generals have been banned. We should be ok if we still talk about the games.
Kayden Thomas
for the cardanon, I'm looking for Trioculus and Palp alt art - how much do you want for them?
I kinda like Hux for the potential double focus on the support ships, and I'm interested in taking Krennic. A 31 pt Inky might fit just perfectly there though
Julian Thompson
That's a good portion of why the fledgling New Republic was able to bring as much firepower to bear at Jakku as they were, yes.
Jason Baker
The best thing about the First Order is the same military industrial complex that armed the Republic and the Empire is behind them, just being quieter about it this time. Rothana Heavy Engineering Kuat Drive Yards Sienar Fleet Systems All merged with various companies and providing everything the FO needs cause war means money. The New Republic just let them go on providing arms and ships to the FO. The only true winners in star wars are the executives of the weapons and starship manufacturing companies.
And Mon Mothma had most of it disbanded. Can't really blame her. She was thinking ahead to what the New Republic should do to avoid the pitfalls that lead to the Empire in the first place. Sure the Emperor was a literal dark wizard but he played the Republic mostly by its own rules, even if he engineered much of the situations that caused people to willingly walk down that route. It's still potential that similar problems could lead to similar results, and they were just one bad election away from ruining themselves all over again. Not even a reference to current real world politics, oddly enough.
Easton Smith
>defending Mouse Canon
John Taylor
Since when is stating what happened the same as defending it? It is what it is. Now if you wanted to complain because it was in a Wendig book, maybe clinked your glass of blue milk against your computer screen for emphasis? Then you'd be onto something.
Anthony James
>Can't really blame her. She was thinking ahead to what the New Republic should do to avoid the pitfalls that lead to the Empire in the first place. >It's still potential that similar problems could lead to similar results, and they were just one bad election away from ruining themselves all over again. Seems like defending to me.
James Cruz
That's exactly why I loved them, They were everything I saw in Palpatine's Empire only in a way bigger dose.
I'll tell you no lie user, that plot made my head hurt and I'm a guy who didn't mind the galaxy gun but hated how it fired a dud
In NuCanon I seem to recall them mentioning that a couple of SSD captains full-on defected to the New Republic in the months following Endor. Generally as the war turned in the NR's favor more and more Imperial governors and officers turned their coats with the exception of the diehards who fled to Wild Space and founded the First Order.
As for Legends-style warlords, I think there's still room for some of that too. NuCanon has been somewhat inconsistent on the topic of Imperial Remnant factions but the overall impression is that the First Order was not the only one - just the most militarized one - and that Imperials still control a number of worlds (presumably centered around the Core and Inner Rim where humans and pro-Imperial sentiment is dominant) and that thet exist in a sort of cold war with the New Republic as late as the latter's destruction.
Aiden Clark
If it pleases you. I merely summed up her reasons. See when they were the Alliance to Restore the Republic they weren't joking. Mon Mothma as Chancellor picked up where the old Republic left off from the moment Sheev made his declaration to become the Empire, complete with retaining the same Emergency Powers granted to the office thanks to Jar Jar. She was worried about another Chancellor with aspirations to creating a new Empire should be curtailed.
How, precisely, you consider this a defense is beyond me given that regardless of how well intentioned her actions were it still lead to the shit sandwich we were handed with the sequels.
Benjamin Morris
So the struggle of years was literally all for nothing it seems.
Charles Young
The big problem for the Empire in the nucanon, if I'm recalling correctly, was a two-fold factor. People in power willing to sell out in the hopes of amnesty or retaining power if they switched sides, coupled with the rank and file soldiers deciding to get the fuck out of Dodge. A lot of high security locations were left too understaffed to stop the Rebellion from taking over.
Jack Perez
The real problem is that NuCanon has all of three books, part of a console game, and a canceled/shut down mobile game depicting the events between Endor and Jakku. If there's one era that really needs to be examined more thoroughly, it's that.
But no, that's apparently not being touched any time soon.
Jace Gomez
Are you telling me the Military-Industrial complex benefits from nigh-endless war?
>NuCanon has been somewhat inconsistent on the topic of Imperial Remnant factions but the overall impression is that the First Order was not the only one - just the most militarized one - and that Imperials still control a number of worlds
I think it's said the Imperial factions left who aren't the First Order are finished after Jakku and were largely militarily depleted to the point of being almost insignificant.
They even aided by the Concordance completely, with their Stormtrooper Corps disbanded and their Fleets reduced to a mere flotillas, those that still had one left.
There would be nothing to rebuild with and I imagine morale would be too depleted given the fact they were defeated in less than a year, proving their Empire was perhaps weak and never fit to rule the stars from the start.
Xavier Murphy
Has anyone played Heroes of the Aturi Cluster? I'm trying to figure out what is essential to print out and what I can get away with not printing because there's just so much to print. Any help would be appreciated, thanks!
Liam Perry
It's a decision that made zero sense in-universe that was done purely to halfass a justification for retreading Rebels Versus Empire. Talking about it like it's anything else.
Evan James
Her intention was that what made the Alliance strong was the alliance, as in the people coming together in common cause. This was much more powerful than any single leader since a leader, no matter how good, still needs people to lead. The common cause is what united them. Her idea was to maintain a post-war defense fleet for the New Republic but to help train worlds willing to maintain their own armies and fleets. Making individual worlds strong but the actual alliance would always be stronger, thus, I guess, keeping any world from going all Nute Gunray.
That was her idea, but it was never fully realized. The Imperial Remnant became a joke after Jakku, nobody really felt threatened, and the New Republic leadership got fat and lazy, stopped even protecting their borders adequately and worlds they'd pledged to defend like Ryloth. I guess we can blame Mon Mothma for failing to see her shit through, but she was dying of space cancer by the end.
Fuck Chuck Wendig's garbage books, at least Bloodline wasn't that bad but then Rian Johnson ignored what he helped them set up so what does it matter?
Adrian Wilson
I have a bit
You really do need all the materials, unless you manually filter the missions to take out ones that don't call for the stuff you don't want to print out.
As for pilot cards you can just ask your players to bring their own.
Charles Ward
Yeah now see, that just makes it seem like they shed all that blood for nothing in the OT era.
But I don't know, their victory looked like a cake walk so maybe they didn't shed much for it.
Carson Barnes
Let's not even act like the EU didn't do the same shit dragging out the whole mess for decades both in-universe and out. The only real difference is that instead of situation where they had to say "Yep, we're still fighting the same fight" they gave us "oh look some other assholes are trying to be the new Empire and Leia figures if the rebellion ain't broke don't fix it only oh yeah her New Rebellion is broke".
There's plenty of gaming potential in either scenario. Given how well the sequels turned out it's almost more inviting for gamers to fill in the largely empty void of what happened after Endor in the nucanon.
Gavin Reed
Didn't Mon mothma also kick leia out for being related to vader?
Julian Hall
It worked for thirty years. Nobody could plain for JJ Abrams and his dread Mystery Box Base. I mean if I were to say "quintessence" to you what would that even mean?
Henry Edwards
>Let's not even act like the EU didn't do the same shit dragging out the whole mess for decades both in-universe and out. The only real difference is that instead of situation where they had to say "Yep, we're still fighting the same fight" they gave us
Not that user, but that actually made sense since a galactic spanning empire wouldn't just all give up after the leaders death. They still had territory, ships, men, creed etc.
In nucanon? Hell no. Mon Mothma always suspected the truth and didn't care because she trusted Bail and knew what kind of person Leia was.
Ryan Robinson
No, she stepped down from running for executive after being outed, and eventually retired from her Senate seat. Mon Mothma already had space cancer by then.
Xavier Taylor
Well I was wrong then.
Charles Rivera
It's a dark energy thing. Pretty typical sci-fi buzz word stuff.
Eli Mitchell
>It worked for thirty years.
It only worked for as long as it apparently took someone to challenge it.
Hunter Murphy
>They still had territory, ships, men, creed etc. That creed never meant shit. It devolved into, "Let us never forget the glory of the Empire! It shall live eternal! With ME as the leader! Not those other guys who claim to be the true Empire." "Fuck you, I have three eyes! Vote for me! I'm marrying Leia too-OH FUCK LASER BEAMS!" "Screw you all, I'm Sheev's super secret mistress and my even more super secret baby with him has lightsaber knees!"
Okay I'm playing up the EUs best-worst hits for comedic effect, but the Remnant was hardly unified after Endor otherwise they'd have hardly remained almost constantly on the losing side minus a few extremely bright spots. Right, Thrawn? "Holy shit, that guy has LASER FINGERS!" Thanks, Thrawn. Man he doesn't miss anything!
Jaxson Butler
And completely left out of any of the sequel materials minus a few reference materials. For "the thing that made Starkiller Base possible" you'd think it would be a major plot point, especially since it gives the First Order actual unlimited power. In an energy generation sense, that is.
With a Death Star on steroids and the one shot they pulled off only worked so well because for some reason the entire Republic Fleet as parked over a single world.
James Murphy
How does killing the Senate mean the Republic stops existing, anyway?
Hunter Gray
Their fleet was all there.
Alexander Cox
That doesn't answer the question.
Leo Barnes
Apparently the First Order rallied from their monumental losses more effectively than the New Republic. Makes sense. Snoke still survived, meanwhile the New Republic that already couldn't get their shit together had no one. Maybe Leia could have turned it around but TLJ picked up where JJ left us off. Hell, maybe she still can. I'll be surprised if we get to XI and the First Order under Supreme Leader and Vader cosplay enthusiast Ren somehow keeps an effective invasion. I mean I would be surprised but JJ is coming back.
Christian Scott
>Insulting Paelleon
And the Remnants might not have been entirely unified but they still showed time and time again that remnants wouldn't just surrender.
Henry Gutierrez
The Rebels finale all but set-up a post-Endor series. And who knows what they're doing with the live action series.
Legends had some 35 years to build up its expanded universe; MouseCanon is on year four. I'm sure we'll more stories than we can consume over the next three decades before it all becomes to bloated again and it all gets rebooted again by the Google-Lockheed-Pillsbury megacorporation.
The initial post-Endor lore that came out around the release of TFA would seem to suggest just that; however, they seem to have walked that back somewhat since then which is why I described it all as somewhat inconsistent.
Lost Stars ends with a whole Imperial fleet hiding out it a nebula waiting for revenge on the New Republic that as of yet we have yet to see where that led; Bloodlines explicitly mentions Imperial successor governments that are not aligned with the NR (the NR doesn't consider them a serious threat, mind you, but they also didn't believe the First Order was a threat and look where that got them); the Wook mentions the existence of distinct Imperial Remants from those that ultimately formed the First Order in the wake of the Galactic Concordance; etc. Plus, Thrawn survived Rebels so we can all guess where that's probably going (see my comment above about the end of that series).
>There would be nothing to rebuild with and I imagine morale would be too depleted given the fact they were defeated in less than a year, proving their Empire was perhaps weak and never fit to rule the stars from the start
Germany got pretty fucked up by WWI and the Treaty of Versailles and they still managed to build up a massive warmachine over the next twenty years.
Christopher Williams
If it has no military it ceases to be relevant to the story. What do you want? A montage of planets getting steamrolled?
Owen Harris
How does that even make sense? I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just not sure how you maintain a galaxy spanning government of worlds without ships being on patrol, maintaining the border, and maintaining multiple shipyards scattered around your territory as a fast reaction force.
Justin Green
It's all fun and games until Dalaa invites you to her farty.
>shot they pulled off only worked so well because for some reason the entire Republic Fleet as parked over a single world.
Which means they learned nothing apparently.
Cameron Cox
Nobody in either film said the New Republic stopped existing.
But it was decapitated. Its leaders, its fleet, all wiped out in one blow by Starkiller Base. Naturally, this was rather demoralizing, and with there being little centralized power due to the decisions made by Mon Mothma and the early New Republic leaders, that left the galaxy ripe to be taken over by the First Order; only planetary defense fleets remain, and most of those won't have the firepower to stop a First Order armada.
Andrew Cooper
Or a montage of whoever was off planet rallying the various planetary security forces together. But that would require giving any broader context to what we're looking at, like the dang dirty Prequels did. Be honest: do you really see the quality of the NuEU improving at all? Do you see Kathleen or whichever brown noser succeeds her hiring writers who have genuine enthusiasm for Star Wars and an understanding of the universe?
Adam Lee
I don't know what to tell you. Blame Pellaeon maybe being tentacled to deal by giant space whales (pretty sure it was hinted that he survived the events on Lothal; Thrawn definitely did). They threw everything they had into Jakku (literally for several ships) and lost big time. The Remnant still existed but had to surrender, agree to reparations. I mean how did that even make sense? It was some worlds still held by the Empire being forced to pay other worlds that used to belong to the Empire for atrocities committed by the Empire. Who cares since apparently the Remnant didn't pay and the Republic was happy to see them fuck off into the Unknown Regions.
Jaxon Bell
>Which means they learned nothing apparently. I don't blame Mon Mothma for that one. I blame JJ. Made zero fucking sense.
Jace Hughes
Any advice on how to reduce the cost of printing everything?
Luis Bell
>Or a montage of whoever was off planet rallying the various planetary security forces together. But that would require giving any broader context to what we're looking at, like the dang dirty Prequels did. But that would mean they couldn't spend time on Casino World.
Jonathan Ramirez
>I don't know what to tell you. Blame Pellaeon maybe being tentacled to deal by giant space whales (pretty sure it was hinted that he survived the events on Lothal; Thrawn definitely did). They threw everything they had into Jakku (literally for several ships) and lost big time. The Remnant still existed but had to surrender, agree to reparations. I mean how did that even make sense? It was some worlds still held by the Empire being forced to pay other worlds that used to belong to the Empire for atrocities committed by the Empire. Who cares since apparently the Remnant didn't pay and the Republic was happy to see them fuck off into the Unknown Regions.
The battle of Jakku and star wars Rebels sounds like complete BS and underwhelming every time I hear about it.
Yeah it might have made more sense if they'd maybe gone to Dac and asked the Mon Cala for help. When whoever is there asks why Ackbar didn't bother to make the request in person tell them the First Order killed him. Hey, suddenly his death has some meaning!
Josiah Kelly
>user, no Successfully killing dudes is about the only thing she ever managed to accomplish, user. I mean she pretty much screwed up everything else. Give her what little dignity she has.
Leo Rodriguez
I do wish they'd done a better job establishing her as a threat to more than a handful of Moncal civilians.
Henry Long
Apparently there is no New Republic if there is no one to command it or defend it.
Also the New Republic isn't cohesive and the worlds in it don't care who rules and it's apparently finished whether the First Order does it or it dissolves on it's own.
To be honest, that's probably how it should be given the New Republic isn't worth rooting for and nothing really changes narrative wise whether or not it's destroyed.
Whatever happened to Snap anyway? Did he call in sick that day? Die offscreen?
Shit, why do I even care?
Nathan Taylor
It'd probably just be better if the Galaxy collapsed into Chaos at this point.
It's not like they could do any worse and having more factions or no factions at all might make for a more interesting universe.
Joshua Cooper
Mattis will save the day in Episode IX. Mattis and Lando. Screencap this post.
Samuel Watson
They're idiots on both sides. We've got Poe in a dick measuring contest with Holdo (she won!), Finn and Rose extreme animal husbandry, MaRey Sue training with Hobo Skywalker, and Kylo stabbin' walls and throwing Hux around with the Force. Senile ghost Yoda shows up and casts Lightning.
If it weren't for the narrative forces of evil empire versus scrappy underdogs none of them would be able to get any shit done.
Ryder Phillips
That's a good question. All of Black Squadron is missing in TLJ, despite it happening moments after TFA ends.
Maybe Leia or Poe sent them off on a mission or something...
Aiden Harris
>leia sends snap and pava to rally any surviving republic and resistance leadership >instead they show up in episode XI with Mr. Bones >Mr. Bones slaps Rey, takes her lightsaber, and proceeds to get shit done >ends with everyone clinking together glasses of freshly squeezed green milk
I'm so glad JJ decided to let Chuck co-write the script.
