Previous Thread: A thread for discussing the 'Star Trek' franchise and its various tabletop adaptations.
Possible topics include Modiphius' new rpg 'Star Trek Adventures', WizKids miniatures game 'Star Trek: Attack Wing', and Gale Force Nine's board game 'Star Trek: Ascendancy', as well as the previous rpgs produced by FASA, Last Unicorn Games and Decipher, the Starfleet Battles Universe, and the Star Trek universe in general.
Modiphius takes down links for the ST:A core book and expansions. Look in the archives or ask someone to send it to you via discord. Or... you know... buy the rulebook(s).
why are the fighters we see during the dominion war armed with phasers/disruptors?
shouldn't their designers know they'll be facing capital ships and make them flying shield generators surrounding a torpedo launcher?
while we're at it, how big is a bird of prey? how big is a jem'hadar fighter? why does the bridge of the rotarran look like a fiction-accurate starship bridge but the bridge of Gowron's flagship during the Klingon civil war looked like four guys cosplaying in their garage and Michael Dorn wishing he'd changed agents before saying he'd accept a fan commission?
>how big is a jem'hadar fighter? If you're talking about Jem'Hadar attack ships, they're about the same size as the Defiant, maybe a bit smaller.
>how big is a bird of prey? That's much more a matter of contention. There's 2 seperate classes of BoP, in theory. The K'Vort and the B'rel class. The K'Vort is a large cruiser, mostly seen in TNG with an estimated crew compliment of between 2-300. While the B'rel is a small attack ship, as seen in DS9 and the movies, that varies wildly in size. It goes from being not much bigger than a runabout to being almost twice the size of the Defiant. Best explanation i can offer for that is that the Klingon Empire doesn't implement a single standardised design doctrine and the size/armament of a house's ships is entirely dependent on what rescources they're willing to put into ship building. So abig house, like Gowron or Duras would have state of the art ships while some weaker house, like Mokai, would have to make do with smaller, shabbier models.
Daniel Peterson
>why are the fighters we see during the dominion war armed with phasers/disruptors?
It's been established that torpedoes are much less effective against shields. While phasers and disruptors aren't as destructive as torpedoes, they're good all-rounder weapons.
Cooper Walker
I want to plat ST:A but don't have anyone to play it with, send help.
Jack Lewis
Roll20 has threads for recruiting players. Alternately you can try and recruit people from here, but we're all from disparate timezones.
I really don't like the short, stubby stardrive section, though that's a criticism I'd have of the actual Vengeance too.
Blake Scott
>why are the fighters we see during the dominion war armed with phasers/disruptors? >shouldn't their designers know they'll be facing capital ships and make them flying shield generators surrounding a torpedo launcher? I have a few guesses, which may or may not be independent: -Shields don't scale down well: so quadrupling your shield power will only let you survive three hits instead of two. -Shields don't scale up well, so the shields on a small ship aren't actually that much weaker than on a big ship, so a fighter-scale phaser isn't much less effective than a starship-scale phaser. -The situation is such that Offense >>>> Defense, so having significantly stronger shields, at the expense of stronger energy weapons, is pointless. -Fighter phasers aren't really any weaker that starship phasers, they just have fewer of them. -The amount of torps they could hold wouldn't be significantly increased by the space savings from not having energy weapons. -The fighters aren't actually meant for what they're doing, but Starfleet figured they worked well enough against the way the Dominion fought (ie, lots of smaller warships vs. the AQ method of large-ship battles) that it was worth using them in the war.
Who thought it was a good idea to put contrived fighter missions in a star trek game?
Especially ones where you can get spawn camped to hell?
Grayson Baker
I presume you’re talking about the various small craft missions in STO? Yeah they’re dogshit. Feel free to skip. Though the DS9 one is alright.
Wyatt Clark
For the DS9 one they took all the suck and bundled it in a painfully long walking section on the outside of the station's hull. Seriously, if I have these maneuvering thrusters in my suit, why am I stuck walking everywhere like a 90 year old geezer? And then, because that wasn't enough, right at the end they put it a totally superfluous section that crashes three out of four times and forces you to replay the whole thing from the start.
Noah Anderson
>right at the end they put it a totally superfluous section that crashes three out of four times What part would that be? I’ve never had problems with that mission.
Charles Myers
It'd be the part where you jump from the outer rings unto the exterior of the promenade ring. The one where you unlock the airlock to get inside.
That fucking section is almost always guaranteed to crash the game. I've been lucky insofar of the game always logging me back in that spot rather than forcing me to redo the whole fucking thing.
Asher Long
You're luckier than I am. It always boots me back to suiting up in the airlock at the start.
Really? I levelled my Andorian there recently and I had no bother with it. And I’ve no memory of issues with it in previous playthroughs. Suppose I could just be playing at a low traffic time.
Julian Ward
Is the glitch determined by server or something? Because I have never came across that.
Jackson Ross
I would hope it's a traffic issue, but I'm more inclined to believe there is some element there that causes the game to crash since the only other place I've seen it crash like that is ESD's space lookout on the rear of the club.
Regardless, I feel pity for the fool that decides they want to deck out their ship with Dominion Polaron weapons.
Chase Morales
I outfitted my whole away team with the dominion gear, never had any problems running the DS9 missions
>opening chapter is about Troi feeling bad because of one crew member who had to leave the Enterprise for having a nervous breakdown that she couldn't help >Enterprise is escorting two nuns to the A-plot (human colony that became weird medieval theocracy wants to rejoin the Federation) >why are the nuns there? Fuck if I know, the book just decided they should be there >turns out one of the nuns is psychic, and didn't even realise she was telepathic >doesn't get very far, owing to nun being unable to cope with so many voices in her head >this is interspersed with Troi complaining about her lack of "me time" and how she can't just stuff her stupid face with chocolate sundaes at the end of her shift, as well as a flashback where Lwaxana is a good mother for once >when the Enterprise finally encounters the A-plot (evil twin trying to usurp the throne by pretending to be his brother) Troi does her usual "He's hiding... something..." crap >unsurprisingly, the Away Team (which includes Troi and The Psychic Nun) ends up in a dungeon with the king who's being usurped >turns out the King is sort of psychic, and Troi and The Psychic Nun try to boost his powers so he can call for help or something >they don't succeed >the GM basically goes "Okay, you can use your psychic link to Riker, and the DC will be lower because you two used to bone. Yes, the Psychic Nun can help you." >Riker saves the day and rescues everyone, but they still need to decide which is the real King, because Neason wanted to pad the book out a bit >evil twin cheats the tests with his psychic powers >Troi tries to stop him >she fails >Troi and Psychic Nun get roped into some test where they have to prove which one is the evil twin >Psychic Nun goes "Fuck this, I'm out" but gets inadvertently talked into it by Data, in the book's one really good scene
>GM once again lowers the DC so Troi can point out the fucking obvious (complete with a weird bit where Troi basically thinks "Man, it'd be really easy to completely fuck his mind up. I won't, though... just thought I'd mention it!" >day is saved >Psychic Nun will get some real guidance, but thanks Troi anyway for some reason >crew member from Chapter 1 comes back, and seems a lot better
Oh, and I quadruple-checked; the REAL reason the nuns are coming is because the king-to-be asked them to visit, because he likes that their order focuses on children (the planet has some weird eugenics laws where some babies are put to death because reasons, which the king-to-be wants to abolish, but didn't tell anybody about because the plot needed a trusted advisor to betray the king because his daughter died thanks to the laws)
Neither. It's Marxist socialism which is the natural progression from capitalism as the result of technological progress allowing for a post-scarcity society, but it is not top-down mandated communism. Private ownership and enterprise is definitely allowed, but in a post-scarcity society there is no competition for resources. People are free to run their own restaurants because they like running a restaurant, not having to worry about whether they can pay the bills or not. Private ownership of items is permitted, but in a society where anything can be replicated it's trivial to acquire anything that isn't exceeding rare, and with no need for wealth there's no need to acquire that which is rare for its monetary value.
Tyler Jones
It's basically a NEET's wet dream if you think about it.
Would a Saber class be able to survive an unexpected long voyage home? I don't mean as bad a Voyager's, but enough that it's gunna be at least a year before the Saber gets to the nearest space dock.
John Richardson
With some energy rationing, absolutely. Sabres aren’t designed for deep space operations, but Starfleet builds enough capacity into their ships to pick up the slack. That’s basically the defining trait of Starfleet design.
Andrew Wright
Depends on its crew complement, how much supplies it has, what condition it's in, and what hazards it encounters along the way. There are zero blueprints/deck plans from the usual licensed sources, so anything internal is pure fanon. Only thing we know from secondary canon is it's 6 decks with a crew complement of 40 and a maximum emergency complement of 200. I'd say sure, but only as long as they're traveling through some interstellar space that lets them replenish base materials via the bussard collectors, and not the great void outside the galaxy.
Lincoln Barnes
Firing that music guy was a mistake.
Elijah Long
>literally fired for doing his job well Why was Berman allowed to fuck over the franchise for so long?
Jaxson Thompson
To be fair, his other decisions worked pretty well... for a time. Possibly that was a coincidence.
Jason Butler
What decisions exactly? TNG kept going because of the inertia generated by Roddenberry and the cast The writers on DS9 went out of their way to resit Berman at practically every avenue Voyager was a train wreck
TNG had the benefit of everyone but Berman knowing their shit once Roddenberry's senility got pushed aside. Then Berman let everything get to his head and made Voyager with a bunch of yes-men, shoving all the people with talent and competence on DS9.
Ian Cook
Berman followed the Garfield theory of design. That is, if you make something as generic as possible, no one will hate it. Then again, no one will love it either, but the people that love Trek are a (relatively) small demographic. Berman was literally aiming for the demographic of people that would put it on in the background for noise and people that didn't have anything better to watch.
Cooper Bennett
Obviously didn't work considering how badly Enterprise tanked the ratings.
David Baker
Mostly not being Maurice Hurley.
Easton Evans
I like the idea of small houses BoP being basically X-wings.
Hudson Evans
>not having to worry about whether they can pay the bills or not How does Sisko's land use work? Does Papa Sisk own the land? Is he renting with a patronage-esque system where the bureaucrat in charge of the establishment gets social status in return? Is genuine Cajun cooking a Feddy cultural heritage artifact preserved for the sake of history and diversity?
The land was awarded to him from reparations. The bureaucracy patronage thing is for whitey
Bentley Bell
Fuck off, /pol/. If your bullshit was true then why do the Picards have their land?
Asher Taylor
A better question is how he has any waiters, busboys, or dishwashers in a society where you don't have to work in order to support yourself.
Christopher Ross
They want the extra cash to start up their own business? The whole "moneyless society" thing always seemed more to me like you didn't need it but you could still acquire it to spend on shit. Nog and Sisk Capitan talk about transporter credits after all, maybe they enjoy traveling and use the job to support their globe-trotting?
Hudson Diaz
All I say is never trust the French
Oliver Hughes
I imagine transporter credits were either for cadets to stop them from fucking around the world too much or was a way to get people to walk for a change.
Nathaniel Baker
>Is genuine Cajun cooking a Feddy cultural heritage artifact preserved for the sake of history and diversity? I've had Gumbo all of once in my entire life, and I can say, if it isn't, then the Federation cannot truly be called a utopia.
Isaac Garcia
Post-scarcity doesn't necessarily mean limitless resources, goods, and services; I think there's a fairly good chance that high-energy applications such as transport tech and holosuites have to be "earned" in some way.
Try jambalaya.
Nathaniel Hughes
I guess it's all self serve. Except you also use the machine that makes your food to break down whatever's left over at the molecular level.
Levi Brooks
It could be a Master/Apprentice situation. You work for him and he teaches you how to cook cajun. DS9 and Voyager made it clear that replicator food is very samey or bland compared to the real thing. Combine that with the fact that no one knows how to cook anything on their own and suddenly some nobody Professionally trained Cajun chef that just moved in is the talk of the colony. Old man Sisko loved running his restaurant but you can bet your ass there was a year long waiting list to get in, and if you're the type of jackass that picks a fight with staff, you'll probably get blacklisted, not just from his place but from all authentic restaurants and have to spend the rest of your life eating repli-food.
Isaiah Taylor
The general assumption is that, because it is all re combined protein and carbs, replicator food just all has the same texture. So meat is all the same consistency of spam. All fruit has about the right flavor, but the texture of mashed avocado. No matter what it is, there is just something *off* about it.
Tyler Martinez
There is that one where she wa disguised as Romulan Tal Shiar operative and had to boss the command crew of an Warbird. And I kinda liked the one where she was trying to take her Commander exam but kept failing it hard.
Jackson Cooper
>STD, being made by retards, will never hire competent, inspired skilled artists and other workers like this guy, because apparently being good is REE PATRIARCHY REEE
Jace Hernandez
here stg, have a tronship in hotrod white hull material with red and black trim
To me that looks like that Negh'Vars sudden chance of course just fucks up the targeting prediction. Had it gone straight the first two torpedoes would have hit the the neck of the ship, with the third hitting the left wing, The phaser shot would have been miss anyway.
Adrian Evans
Nacelles should be backwards for maximum stabby wedge
Yeah, the Negh'Var could totally fly the Death Star Trench Run and doesn't handle like a cow on ice at all. Also, the first two torpedos miss before she changes course.
Chase Brooks
Sure is dead round here.
Robert Campbell
>what is plot-mandated Worf syndrome >what is Worf being Worf'd again user plz you're just being stupid now, you know the reasons things are as they are.
Jacob Nelson
I could do a recap of the Ophion game this week if you'd like. The usual user that does it is out being socially successful tonight.
Brody Richardson
Wax us poetic, user.
David Perez
Anons? Being socially successful? Not on my Veeky Forums. Regale us with tales of the Ophion then.
Brody Howard
Sure!
This week started off with a nice bit of wrap-up RP that we had to cut short last week due to tech issues. Specifically, the players and the crew of the Ophion were still trying to sort things out after their encounter with the nebula-sized creature known as "Oracle." Of note, we saw the Captain and XO talking about why they joined Starfleet, and one of the Engineers activating a Maddox-type AI so that it could chat with its "little sister" android. Thankfully, I didn't have to spend too much time talking to myself as the AI and the Android chatted.
After all that, the players arrived at a set of coordinates that they'd acquired from an ancient race (Pre T'kon), known as the Progenitors to the players, cache many sessions ago. This particular set of coordinates had symbology similar to others in the cache that indicated some form of insectoid life. Sure enough, scans of the nearby system revealed life on a class M world. However, the planet was split between two distinct and separate species: One avian and one insectoid. The former was still using crude oil for power, while the latter was using basic Fission. Needless to say, the players correctly decided the Prime Directive was in play, and thus did not make contact with either species. At first, anyways.
In their further scans of the planet, the players picked up an ancient SOS signal emanating from the DMZ between the two species' territory. An Away team was sent down, which then discovered a Progenitor stasis pod fully intact and functional. But before they could beam it and themselves back to the Ophion, a group of the Avian species attacked with projectile-based weapons. Tense combat followed, in which the players raced to set up their pattern enhancers and beam out before they were overwhelmed.
With the pod safely back aboard, they began to unlock it. Inside was a Progenitor military grunt, seen in pic-related. Lots of questions for them followed.
Man it really is dead. Usually we have some form of conversation going on. Maybe we should try stating up a ship or something?
Carson Jenkins
Eh. It's a Saturday night, those are always quiet. Here, a half-hearted topic: What was the last Trek you actually watched? What'd you think of it? Enjoy it? Have opinions on it?
For me, it Extreme Measures, one of the finale episodes of DS9, the one with Sloan, which is just a great episode and the final admission that Bashir and O'Brien are gay for each other.
Dominic Green
Trials and Tribble-ations.
Needed cheering up, and that is top funtrek.
Jason Morris
100% top tier Trek right there. Probably my favorite "fun" episode (though if I'm honest, Spock's Brain makes me happy in a stupid sort of way).
Aaron Richardson
I also enjoy Spock's Brain. Whilst yes, it is ludicrous, it is still a decently constructed episode (as a good writer basically wrote it as a joke) which puts it waaaay above the actual shit episodes of TOS.
It has easily the worst line in all of Star Trek (you know the one) but all the beats work and it clearly has a fun spirit to it. Way better than Miri or Charlie X or something equally horrible.
Alexander Morris
Reminder that Cardassia is never wrong
Ayden Peterson
Reminder that Gul Dukat did only one thing wrong: not killing every Bajoran immediately.
Lincoln Hill
Cardassia did everything wrong.
Sebastian Price
only because Cardassia's not on trial here
if Cardassia were tried under Cardassian law, it would be wrong
this is perfectly correct
Austin Gutierrez
I'm literally watching that episode right now
what's weird is that two episodes after this one where he says that Section 31's genocide of the founders is utterly wrong and encouraging a cure to be found by any means necessary, Benjamin "The" Sisko is prepared to just sit back and get schooled by Cured Odo for being a fucking hypocrite
I always forget how much he veers between being a total fucking lunatic chemical-bombing whole planets to make a vapid point and being an actual Starfleet officer whose constant lectures about what a great thing Starfleet should be and the Federation is rapidly grind you into unconsciousness
Angel Garcia
>I always forget how much he veers between being a total fucking lunatic chemical-bombing whole planets You mean rendering it unsafe for one group to inhabit it, when that group had just done the exact same thing to a Cardassian planet, they switched sides, the mastermind behind the attack captured, and the entire incident ended?
Nolan Russell
Don't bother explaining it user, stupid people will never understand.
I always liked the Runabouts. I think they were a great addition to the series. I would have loved a slice of life episode about a bored pilot finding some secret plans or something.
Ethan Sullivan
>hurr durr to catch a terrorist you have to become a terrorist
He had a small fleet of capable starships and by that point the support of local starfleet vessels in his pursuit of the Maquis, as well as Cardassian co-operation.
The only reason he ended up going full court-martial is because it made good melodrama. There's no character development that it achieves and no story reason why it should have to go that way. It's purely so they could fill time with flared nostrils and shouting, because that's cheaper than rubber-faced pricks talking about latinum.
