So I gave my Instructor/leadership focussed player this thing recently, but I feel like it could use a little more something something. Would you change it's abilities at all?
Yes it is just a truncheon for the weapon side of the item.
I really do want a Separatist faction for Legion. They just have so many great options for troops, and between Dooku, Grievous, and Ventress, they have commanders that I would be really interested in.
Sup /swg/- Today is my last attempt to get a Coruscant Invite at Adepticon, AKA CancerFest 2018. It's all Fat Turrets, Regenerating Points Bunkers, and a small sprinkling of Palp Aces as soon as you hit the top tables.
Place your bets now- Will there be more or less cancer today vs. The other two days?
It's funny because I have that part on mine. I swear it's because it's because of the WAR update All my soldier guns have it. and all my demoman weapons have soldiers killed. nobody ever believes me.
Same user. But I also can't shake the feeling that they would go with Lok Durd as a commander before Ventress.
Evan Johnson
>not wanting Lok Durd oh my
Isaiah Roberts
You mean Lott Dod? Wait, is there actually a character named Lok Durd? [Wookieepedia intensifies] what the fuck
Gavin Mitchell
>Lok Durd Who?
Matthew Davis
Assembling Legion today. Still no clue on paint scheme though.
>Voiced by Takei I'll always be surprised at the kind of talent they got for TCW. George Takei, David Tennant, Liam Neeson.... If you want to cut costs by not having Lucas throw money at the project you could try not hiring major celebrity voice actors (well except Neeson, he was playing Qui-Gon again... but seriously, a sound-alike would've probably been cheaper).
Juan Wood
>create gary stu oc donut steel video game character >expect george to give a shit about their garbage video game
They only have themselves to blame.
Juan Lewis
It really sounds like a joke from George's part.
Jack Evans
>when your deadpan and give no fucks games meet
Jaxon Perez
That's because it is. George is infamous for being deadpan in his delivery of even the dumbest jokes.
Nicholas Wilson
>tfw want to play Legion but nobody around would play >tfw you can't crush rebel scum with the Imperial legions
Jace Campbell
tabletop simulator
Charles Ortiz
Camo green
Andrew Torres
We're talking about the same guy who nearly called the main character "Deek Starkiller". The same guy who REALLY thought Jar Jar Binks was a good idea. You look up some stories of how George was I could believe him being totally serious about that kind of the thing. The fact that he MIGHT not be kidding is cause enough for concern if you're in that situation.
Noah Young
Is there even such a thing as a rebel player? Everyone I know plays Empire/Republic/CIS/Sith.
Asher Ward
JJB, even secret sith, still is better than any Disnep character.
Dylan Nguyen
Deak was only in the early drafts. He made like eight drafts before settling on what we got. That's a lot different from Darth Insanius or Darth Icky - if you really believe that Darth Icky wasn't a joke, the joke is on you.
Jar Jar was an idea he wanted to push, a full fledged CGI main character, the first ever. He knew a lot was riding on Jar Jar being a success.
Oliver Walker
There is no such thing as Republic, CIS, or Sith in Legion yet.
Also, I am probably going to main Rebels (at least until we get Separatists).
Jose Gutierrez
>no such thing as Republic, CIS, or Sith in Legion yet Yep, and there's still more people that're going to play them, and played them in other wargames. You go, rebel-boy, we need more players like you.
Hopefully it's just the paintjob, but I don't have high hopes after the Leia model.
Nathaniel Reed
I think it's a bit of both. I expect it looks fine with a better paint job, but still probably doesn't really look like Harrison Ford.
Jason Allen
That's classic pose, classic sculpt, user. TFW when chocolate egg toys from the nineties or eighties still are better than newest minis.
Benjamin Carter
Yeah, so if it was in early drafts it's the first thing that'd pop into George's head. Go back and actually read those original drafts, Lucas' naming conventions aren't the greatest, I wouldn't put it past him to go with Darth Insanius.
And no, Jar Jar wasn't the first CGI main character. Pixar produced Toy Story years earlier an entirely CGI movie, which beats that to the punch and then some by having EVERY main character be CG. That's also besides the point. Jar Jar was an idea he wanted to push and wanted to be successful, sure - but Jar Jar was a stupid idea on pretty much every level. George is not above suggesting and sticking to really stupid ideas or characters, like Jar Jar.
Bentley Hill
First CGI character that was interacting with a live action one in a big way for long periods of time.
Oliver Turner
What's people's issue with Marek as a character again beyond him being mostly oatmeal levels of bland? I remember seeing an argument here a while back that he actually isn't all that crazy powerful, so with Veeky Forums not being a hivemind and all I'd be interested to see the guys who think he's some overpowered nutcase and the guys who think he's actually pretty reasonable within the grand scheme of things go at each other.
Sebastian Allen
It's not accurate anyway. They constructed an animatronic Jar Jar suit and tried it out, but found that the CGI version still looked more natural (to them anyway). George lamented that they'd put so much money into the damn thing but his effects crew assured him it was still incredibly useful to show them how a scenes lighting should look on the CGI version.
Logan Martinez
>SW fanboys will defend this I love SW as much as they do, but it's kind of infuriating how bad some of the sculpts and design decisions are in legions.
Thomas Reyes
He's still crazy powerful to be able to do what he does as young as he is, but yeah. The book and comic adaptations do make him not quite as excessively powerful as the games do.
Like, he still pulls a Star Destroyer out of the sky - but he really struggles to do it to, and the thing is heavily damaged and already falling, he was just pushing it down faster.
He still defeats Vader, but only after a generator nearby explodes and stuns him, allowing Starkiller to catch his breath and go on the offensive.
Caleb Harris
Find another Imp player and accuse him of being in cahoots with Zaarin. Alternately, Imperial Civil War time. Everyone is rebel scum except for you, the rightful heir to the Empire.
Ayden Flores
Even then isn't it some EU fluff that Vader's suit is real vulnerable to force lightning, so with Galen throwing it around like it's going out of fashion he's got his leg up on Vader to begin with?
Aaron Collins
Not animatronic, those were the neimoidians. That tech was fucking amazing by Episode III. They'd gone from using a remote control to make the mouth move as the actor talked to fully pre-programmed facial movements. Checking out all the gear on top of the suit that fucker had to be heavy as well as hot. Not sure why they apparently lost all the techniques by the sequels.
Originally they were wondering whether to make Jar Jar fully CGI or just a suit where they'd replace Ahmed Best's head. Check out 40 minutes in. youtube.com/watch?v=da8s9m4zEpo
No. It's even mentioned that it's doing essentially nothing to Vader. And then in the end fight in TFU2, Starkiller channels actual lightning along with his Force lightning and it still only brings Vader to his knees.
Palpatine is just on that entirely different level of power.
Eli Perez
Personally, I'm not a fan of him being Forrest Gump in space sans the comedy. The man's family crest becomes the Rebel starbird, just happens to be in the right position to hobnob with major galactic figures, and depending on how you play, gets roped into numerous iconic scenes from galactic history and/or plays a part in shaping major events that he doesn't show up for. As bland as his personality is, his story makes him a bit too special.
Isaiah Wilson
Was mine alone gripe with the Force Lighting always was it being rather ineffectual teslaesque show, not CRACK there goes charred porch monkey?
Noah Roberts
Just watched The Last Jedi. I think I dislike it even more than TFA, at least TFA was an enjoyable film if you ignore the whole unoriginality of it all. This one is just all-out shitty fanfiction. So many awkward plot devices, amateurish takes on world building and flatout boring and underwhelming developments.
TFA was the shitty fanfiction. TLJ was the shitty fanfiction running out of the canon to rip off.
Joshua Brooks
I'm not even sure it can be called "fanfiction." Fanfiction has to be created by a fan, which Rian Johnson clearly isn't.
Benjamin Ward
It's weird the kind of stupid stuff you can fixate on about the movie, but it does stick with you. Speeders versus Grond, the great ram forged in Mordor, scourge of doors, whoops, I mean mini death star battering ram cannon. We see Finn is hauling ass right at the thing, full speed down to go right down the throat, and everyone else is shown to pull away but him, so how the hell did Rose not only catch up but manage to come in at his side to ram him?
>We win by saving what we love! Bitch I'm trying to save all the people I love in that bunker, you've doomed us all, what ya'll smoking?!
Julian Russell
>, what ya'll smoking?! Well she is chink, so I guess good old british opium?
Austin Rivera
How do Kathleen and the people huffing her farts expect everyone else to buy Rey as the one who's REALLY gonna save the Jedi Order?
>Day 1: >The master says I don't need to learn anything, it's already inside me and that I just need to "Feel the Force" >I'm starting to doubt my decision to come to Jedi Academy
Carson Cook
The problem is they were more interested in 'subverting Starwars' than writing a good story. It's like they took the script and every time they had a decent arc they went 'But wait! That's what the audience expects us to do!' Motherfucker, you're not Rommel, you don't need to ambush us in the middle of the night with a panzer tank screaming 'the past must be killed'
Colton Cook
Considering the time it was made it was supposed to be a "bridge" of sorts between the then-recent (3 years) RotS with the Original Trilogy
I would go into more detail but the idea is that Starkiller's story, from hunting the last of the Jedi to forming the Rebel Alliance, is supposed to show a galaxy (and Star Wars) in transition. A lot of the characters and locales are added for the player's sake to show the key familiar faces and the roles they play in setting up the OT. It also helps for those less familiar with the EU to understand what's going on (notice how every single major figure, save Garm Bel Iblis, is either a character from the films or a completely new character).
There's also the part TFU was a huge project for Star Wars at the time, almost as large as The Clone Wars multimedia project, with not only the game(s) but also a book, comics, an expansion to the miniatures game, a rule/source book for the Star Wars RPG, and tie-in figures and Legos. It was also one where George had a lot more presence in, and was really meant to be more in line with the film level of importance than it was to be just another EU story. Until Disney, it was, at best, probably the closest we got to another Star Wars film (for better or worse).
Owen Watson
TFA is fanfiction that tries to emulate the source material, TLJ is fanfiction that tries to use the source to build upon an ORIGINAL STORY DO NOT STEAL.
They're both different kinds of shit, but TFA at least is a fun movie on its own right, TLJ just feels weird as fuck.
That throne room battle and the bombing run at the beginning are literally the only enjoyable parts of the movie.
Brandon Clark
Tl;dr TFU is a bridge between eras that sets up the OT films so all those characters are necessary to see the major players of the films
William Bennett
She's Vietnamese, not Chinese. Bad call. East Asians can all tell each other apart and hate each other something fierce.
Gabriel Foster
When Episode IX comes out and we get the opportunity to watch the ST back to back all the dropped plot threads, character changes and disregard for continuity in TLJ would make the movie stick out like a sore thumb
It really bothered me how un-Star Warsy a lot of things felt.
That tracking device being just a generic sci-fi mcguffin; the whole of Canto Bight just feels like a generic 60s bond casino with a jockey club and all, with some beep boop tech plasted over it, it felt really amateursih, like the Castle tavern in TFA; the rebel ring thing, being just a mechanic toy-thing, like what the fuck, put a hologram or something there, it's fucking Star Wars; that big fucking metal gate, and the big fucking ram, it just feels so fucking dumb. You go back and watch something like Clone Wars, they manage to play will a bunch of different genres and tropes while making it all feels star warsy in a way, but these new films are just too fucking on the nose, like they don't even think twice about the design.
Luke Bailey
Even nonsensical Japanese parodies offer better female Star Wars protagonists than fucking Rey.
Eh, both wouldn't be so bad if they happened somewhere in EU instead of being in any way related to the OT. No worse than the whole Wang-Vong business, or DURRIMMAGEDDY series.
Colton Johnson
Yeah, that's definitely a thing, unless the next one is even worse and the ST is just a steady descent into shittiness.
>Jar Jar was an idea he wanted to push, a full fledged CGI main character, the first ever. He knew a lot was riding on Jar Jar being a success. Jar Jar being CGI isn't the issue. Jar Jar being an annoying slapstick dipshit is the issue.
He steps in poop, and has an animal fart in his face. He knocks shit over in extended pratfalls in half the scenes he's in. The CGI aspect is impressive, especially for its time, but it's wasted on such a garbage character.
Blake Myers
I'd still rate the Vong higher if only because amid all the retardation, there were still a few bright spots that were genuinely fun. Corran had a pretty cool fight scene, Ganner had a neat last stand, the Lando droids were funny, karma finally caught up to Borsk if only for one brief moment, and Scut was the best member of Wraith Squadron's Mercy Kill generation. Allston's Vong-era books also had their share of Wraith Squadron silliness. RIP, Runt.
Cooper Phillips
I kinda thought that Jar Jar was the Sith when I first watched it, thought he did all that on the purpose.
Hudson Myers
At least Canto Bight had some charm to it. Everything on the Raddus was just mind-numbingly dull, not to mention its creepy undertone of "obey your leaders, even when they belittle you and hide things from you."
And ultimately Jar Jar probably is the key based on snippets from interviews and behind the scenes over the years. Jar Jar was the thematic avatar for the Prequels. He's this goofy, harmless, happy-go-lucky guy, completely innocent, who winds up embroiled in galactic politics, ends up helping grant emergency powers to the Chancellor, and dooms the galaxy to Sith domination. He was meant to represent everything good about the galaxy and natural life corrupted and left in darkness.
Isaiah White
Hard to blame here where Poe was concerned. They had everything but Holdo sitting behind a desk shouting, "Yer a loose cannon, Dameron! Yer no good for command!" "Fuck you, chief, I get results! I'm a bust this First Order caper wide open!"
Jacob Foster
Holdo's death was the best part of that damn flick.
Jackson Powell
That's a solid way of putting it.
TFU never bothered me. I think the character interactions and the visual design more than make up for some of it's ridiculousness, but it IS ridiculous. He should have been tagging along as the Rebellion was forming, not the guy who convinces the leaders to meet. There's no reason for Palpatine to drag everyone to the Death Star.
Other aspects can pretty easily be overlooked: Starkiller's powerlevel is 80% game mechanics, 20% Darth Vader experimenting by training someone with no limits. The crest that becomes the Alliance Starbird was already based on the old Jedi Order insignia, so it's not just some random-ass crest.
Kota is great. Vader's betrayal was excellent. Proxy distracting Vader by impersonating Obi-Wan was fantastic. Shaak Ti was great. And even though it was entirely unnecessary fan-service I actually really enjoyed the visit to Dagobah.
It's a guilty pleasure at best, but it doesn't deserve all the hate it gets in my shitty opinion
Jose Jackson
That works in concept, but if that was even the goal the execution is abysmal.
Luke Perry
>"Ya gotta blow up that dreadnaught, Paige!" >"But I'm so scared, Commander Dameron!" >"Ya gotta do this one for me, Paige...Poe Dameron!" >"Okay...for you, Commander!" >*later* >"Well, Dameron...Paige is DEAD! They blasted her bomber from cockpit to tail!" >"Hey, I'm tryin' to get in an X-Wing and blow stuff up here!"
Great idea for a non-NuWars book: a draft of Jar Jar's in-universe autobiography (with copious notes by his editor), obliviously (or is he?) recounting how he not only was the deciding vote for Palpatine's emergency powers, but Forrest Gumped all the major Rebel victories of the OT into possibility, with his increasingly dumbstruck editor corroborating each and every claim.
Zachary Hernandez
It comes down to if you think you could salvage the Vong or the ST better, and which parts of it's shit you find more offensive. Personally I think you could make something more impressive out of the concept of the Vong (shaving some of it's worst concepts off, like being immune to the force or whatever) rather than the ST, but that's because I find going back to "Empire vs Rebels" to be the single most egregious thing about the ST.
Joseph Mitchell
>"Empire vs Rebels" Whole damn setting is "Empire vs Rebels" by different names and colours. Well that and telekinetic space gishes with glowsticks.
Jack Garcia
I've always said that if the Vong just had one or maybe two of all of their traits, they'd be... okay. Not great, but better than they were. It's the fact that they've got all these ideas that are interesting by themselves or have been done on their own by other races in a single bucket of shit that makes them awful.
Juan Collins
According to Ahmed Best after the backlash George decided to minimize Jar Jar in the subsequent movies. He also agrees this was for the best, for what that's worth.
Owen Clark
Then at least make a fucking effort to disguise it. Yes, the Rebs vs Seps conflict is, strictly speaking, an "Empire" in the Republic vs Rebels. But it's not just "Sheev Empire 2.0" vs "literally still just the Rebellion". At the very least flip the script, have the New Republic up against Empirical types who fight smart and are the ones without massive resources and armies this time around, you've got a new dynamic there, for on-screen at least. You can even have your social commentary, because I can't imagine what relevance a group of extremists using fear and terror while radicalising people would have in today's climate... Or hell, use TOR of all things as a model - the OT was WW2 in space? The Cold War as a follow up seems like a neat idea and isn't just "Empire vs Rebels" - you've got the remains of the Empire on one side, the New Republic on the other, both of them unsure about who's going to pull the trigger and re-ignite things first.
Ryan Fisher
From what I've heard of newcanon Jar Jar later becomes a hobo clown who may or may not be doing the whole John Wayne Gacy stalking the streets of Theed.
Ryan Moore
Why not just use Imperial Assault miniatures, imperial assault cards, imperial assault dice on an open playing field.
David Nguyen
God I would of loved it if Jar Jar was the mastermind behind everything. It would of been a brilliant twist! It would be like How yoda acted on Dagobah, pottery. Ever see Amid Best doing a Sith Jar Jar?.. it’s excellent!
Mason Bennett
Why does everybody who watches TLJ and dislikes it feel the need to come shit their opinion into the thread?
Colton Bailey
Not Sith. Forrest Gump.
Brayden Davis
What mercenary/criminal/non-aligned fighter is the best match against the X-Wing?
Because it's a thread made for discussing Star Wars, ya fucking autist.
Adam Bailey
Another X-wing. Private/non-Rebel ownership isn't unprecedented, as Corran Horn showed during his pre-NR years.
Jeremiah Price
Starvipers
Connor Phillips
So, are there any attachments that allow for hauling other vehicles RAW?
Jaxon Murphy
EotE/AoR/FaD you mean? Not to my knowledge I'm afraid(Although I'm FAR from an Expert). I suppose you could use the Additional Weapon upgrade to stick a Tractor Beam Projector on a hardpoint, but that's not what you're looking for.
Evan Nelson
yes that system.
Tractor beam could work. The loader arm may also be something I could give a look at.
My players want to haul an AT-ST or an ITT using a lambda shuttle and I want to be able to say yes, but if there is a price I can attach that would be great.
Nicholas Jackson
Space bungee cord.
Or just let them part it inside.
Jayden King
I don't think you can fit one of those in the other
For a larger craft I would of course allow the parking solution
