So what are some fun instances of intrigue and "talking" I can throw at my players?
To help narrow it, they are a small rebel cell that are basically establishing a beachhead for the greater rebel force, roughly 2 months before scarif/yavin.
It's fun. Simple to grasp the basics, but got some decent strategy to it even with the initial units, and the expansions really look like they'll only add more. Playing with terrain is real important though. Without it or some real scenario structure the game just being a shoot-fest is pretty dull.
Haven't played with all battle card combinations, but they're very fun and keep the setup from being identical each time.
Daniel Bennett
Suggestions for names/paint schemes for Rebel fighter squadrons? My group's running a not-Wraith Squadron campaign and we're trying to figure out what to call ourselves.
As for names, natural phenomena is a good thing to name your squad after. Tornado, hurricane, storm, inferno, earthquake, blizzard, lightning, thunder, avalanche, tsunami.
Core set from online retailers is roughly $72 which isn't bad for 36 plastic miniatures, dice and movement/range rulers.
The AT-ST is actually ridiculously well sculpted, it's better than the hobby kit version from bandai that I have with even greater articulation. I kind of don't even want to glue it to the stand because I'd rather use it for display purposes, it's just that nice.
The game itself is a lot of fun for the first few battles, easy to grasp within a single session, but gets old fairly quickly with just stormtroopers and rebel troopers shooting at each other. Luckily we're booked for a monthly release until the end of the year, with some pretty neat units on the way already.
I've been telling people that they don't use enough terrain in their wargames for a long time.
Connor Gutierrez
This is Han Solo, who was portrayed by actor Harrison Ford in the films. Say something nice about him.
You are a Jedi who left the Order to Join the Dark Jedi but later left as well. During your time with each you found a female force user who you were close to and now they both hunted you down and are now fighting over you. Who do you choose?
>mfw my 4 Stormies and DLT-19 are hit by a concussion grenade, 4 Z-6 shots and 3 A200 shots, but block everything like marvelous bastards It's such a nice change of pace from 40K
Oh man, I love the terrain though. They put some effort into those rules. I love how it changes the game. Cover is great so you want to move from source to source, but you have to be careful because a lot of it is difficult terrain, so you want to be able to skirt it also. I haven't played much but it's such a dynamic part of the game.
Get some conditions like Poor Visibility or Harsh Conditions in there, totally different game.
Cooper Lee
Isn’t that too similar to Gold Squadron? Besides, those guys all died, and I don’t think we need that kind of karma.
Mason Moore
Red dice are amazing. Vader should always have Force Reflexes. The fact that it gives him surge and all his conversions turn to wounds against the other guys. Perfecto.
Conversely, white dice suck butts. Never leave your ass hanging out with a white defense die unless you're some kind of hero like Han (who can reroll 3 defense dice). Always be dodging and hugging cover.
Levi Evans
Anyone else think that dreadnought bombing in TLJ was more comedic than serious?
Mason Cooper
>Always be dodging and hugging cover. And praying for surge if you're rebs. That being said, the A200 FAR outperforms the E-11. If it wasn't for Stormie Precise 1 most of my shooting would have been utter balls.
Question. Scenario - 5 Stormies with 1 aim token. Stormies get three hits. Precise 1 lets them make three re-rolls. I re-roll the two failed hits and get one success. Can I then re-roll the last remain failed hit to meet my quota of three re-rolls?
Gabriel Perez
Very well, In your choice to choose neither you leave them to their fight and as you were going on your way you found an ancient Jedi Holocron of ancient power. Open the mystery box to see
>Harrison Ford >a nice guy You know that story of Alec Guinness and the kid who had seen SW like a 100 times? Well the story didn't actually end with Guinness asking him to never see SW again, after he'd said that and the kid was walking away, Harrison Ford tripped the kid Yeah, not so nice
Lincoln Nguyen
Yet another lesson in why you don't fuck with Poe. Dude doesn't need the Force to fuck up an entire ship's surface weapons. It's just embarrassing for everyone. I'm not sure he even needed he bombers. Sure he couldn't shoot through their armor but once they extended their main cannons those should have been vulnerable to the same torpedo spamming he gave Starkiller's oscillator. Maybe they didn't have time to reload torps into Poe's fighter?
Cameron Hughes
Did that happen, or am I being japed? Would have been better off with more X-Wings and proton torpedoes for those X-Wings, those bombers were worthless.
Andrew Murphy
I'm not joking. I got to that bit where the girl is lying on her back and the detonator falls way too far for her to reach it, but suddenly she's on her stomach and has caught it. Then it all came back to me. I turned it off.
Brody Harris
Why do you think I left both the Jedi and the Sith? I just want a peaceful life. Those who traffic in the force inevitably end embroiled in struggle; I wish for peace.
>that perfectly flat ship >that very thinly spread anti-fighter coverage >that big self destruct depression
Easton James
>that bit where the girl is lying on her back and the detonator falls way too far for her to reach it, but suddenly she's on her stomach and has caught it. I had forgotten
It may not have been so bad but who can account for one TIE crash causing the destruction of three bombers? That one can probably be blamed on the pilots for flying a really shitty formation.
Still there has to be a better delivery system for those bombs. I'm thinking of a giant chain gun that magnetically launches the bombs one by one but at super rapid speed. No need to get close, momentum will take them to the target and let's see their point defense cope with that shit.
Andrew Long
Or put guidance sensors and a rocket engine on them.
Camden Hughes
my brain processed it pretty immediately as her having rolled over in her attempt to catch it
the poor formation is not defensible
Carter White
That's what was meant to have happened, obviously, but it was already many feet past her before she rolled over at light speed
Daniel Phillips
listen, it's "dramatic" that's something you just roll with
Isaiah Wright
Yellow Squadron as in the boss squad from Ace Combat 04.
Chase Butler
And that was some of it too.
I think ship building got worse in the decades since Endor.
One of the first things running through my mind was "what the heck have they been doing for thirty plus years?".
And what the heck was stopping the Resistance from using the Bombers at Starkiller Base?
Why did the Resistance not stockpile war-material left over from the previous conflict?
And on top of that why did Poe's piece of junk fighter get crippled when it took a single small arms blaster hit to the engine?
Kevin Wood
Only if Porkins III, fatass grandson of the great Jek Tono Porkins, can ride one towards the Supremacy while waving a cowboy hat.
Asher Garcia
Imagine if Poe hadn't wasted the bombers or Carrie Fisher's daughter had made grabbing the munitions from the base a higher priority. They could then
>fuel the shuttles >load them with bombs >turn on the stealth projector >remote pilot them into Snoke's ships
And just for Veeky Forums Ackbar will personally handle one while shouting, "ALLAHU ME!"
Dylan Gray
How much better than the Imperator-class is the Resurgent-class?
Christian Fisher
It's a lot bigger.
Carter Brooks
>And what the heck was stopping the Resistance from using the Bombers at Starkiller Base? they were on the other side of the galaxy on a mercy mission
>Why did the Resistance not stockpile war-material left over from the previous conflict? That's exactly what they did do. The movement has only existed at most for 5-6 years. A lot of the old shit is straight up scrap.
>The movement has only existed at most for 5-6 years.
Then there are no previous conflicts as the galaxy hasn't had any for well over 20 years by that point.
Alexander Long
Yes
The galaxy has been at relative peace. Up until the resistance forming (which is when news of the FO started to trickle in), everyone was convinced that all that remained of the empire were three old farts squabbling over scraps.
Adrian Bell
That means Leia must have pulled a stupid then if she didn't create the organization in the years before the disarmament.
Joshua Watson
>everyone was convinced that all that remained of the empire were three old farts squabbling over scraps. >Not a single person is concerned about KDY continuing to develop, build, and send out new Star Destroyer hulls
My biggest problem about the bombers was that they used gravity-oriented ordinance. They're in SPACE. We KNOW that Star Wars has torpedoes; Y-Wings used them to great effect, especially in Rogue One. So why use tight-formation bombers that need to travel all the way over a target to attack it?
Nolan Harris
Presumably they built shipyards in the Unknown Regions.
Of course, then the question arises as to why no one gave a fuck that KDY was shipping a buttload of resources to unregistered destinations.
Christian Long
That 50 cal on that AT-ST is insufficiently blasterized.
Grayson Cook
Why do ships need to constantly burn fuel? Why do the shots arc in space? Why didn't admiral gender studies just tell people her plan? Why didn't Luke lift his X-wing out of the water, put the wing back on and actually fight? Oh wait, Rian Johnson. The man who only made one other decent movie and even then he fucked up basic laws of time travel.
Jayden Williams
Literally, magnets.
James Mitchell
>Why do ships need to constantly burn fuel?
This is a dumb question. SW has never been suggested to be a universe with perpetual motion machines. Are the lights on? Are you moving? Well, you're burning fucking something.
Jordan Bell
They already explained that as thrusters that propel the bombs to the target.
Why they're using that when they know it's going to expend manpower the Resistance does not have is a better question.
Maybe the Resistance was broke and couldn't afford those?
But given the Corporate Sector thrives on war, they probably could have found someone willing to sell them torpedoes at a reasonable price.
Nolan Perez
Jedi every day of the week and twice on Sunday
Jaxon Jenkins
If I remember correctly from the Visual Dictionary these were several shell companies founded in order to open up factories within the Unknown Regions and border territory in order to bypass the treaty ban on selling weapons to the First Order. FO was supplying the materials, the corps were supplying their designs and expertise, but it was being built locally within FO space. There wasn't a constant stream of new Star Destroyers tooting out of Corellian docks or elsewhere and then vanishing into FO space, which, yeah, would have been pretty damn suspicious.
Xavier Baker
You're missing my point. Why bother sending the valuable delivery system of the starship and its crew--especially in an organization seemingly strapped for materiel--over an enemy to attack it when they could do torpedo runs or something more sensible? That way the bombers would spend less time exposed to the TIE screen and they might have gotten through the battle with less casualties.
Jaxson Lopez
Are you brain dead? THEY ARE IN SPACE FUCK WIT. YOU REACH TOP SPEED ONCE AND YOU GO THAT SPEED FOR EVER. TURN YOUR FUCKING ENGINE OFF.
Benjamin Stewart
They very well may not have had any Y-wings at all. The frames were 50 years old at that point and were already on the way to the scrapyard after 20 something years.
As for gravity orientation, they were primarily for atmospheric targets and just incidentally can be used in space.
He's talking about coasting on momentum. Which kind of runs counter to how the ships are depicted in everything.
>The FO still considered the republic enough of a threat that they needed a superweapon to beat the fleet
Except I think the Battlefront II Ressurection DLC states the First Order has enough ships to take over the Galaxy, even absent of Starkiller Base being factored in.
Logan Myers
>frames were 50 years old Then where are the new ones? New B-Wings? New any kind of single-person torpedo-delivering fighter/bomber? Why shitty flying fortress knock-offs who have to expose themselves and get over a target before hitting it?
Robert Wright
They are torpedoes shit for brains. You know, propelled weapons.
Carter Kelly
Those don't accelerate like a falling object does, they seem to shoot out. The bombs from TLJ accelerate like they're in gravity.
Isaac Jones
That makes sense. Those bombers are trying to consistently pound an asteroid. So orient your launch tubes down and do a single long pass, dropping ordinance as you go. It makes sense. You don't need to do passes from a distance against something that doesn't fire back. But, funny thing, a dreadnought with a fighter screen does an awful lot of shooting back. A long pass with a target directly below you is the worst possible option.
Cooper Moore
Hey, asshole. Look up "Proton Bomb" for me.
Ian Garcia
The new B-wings are in the republic, and what little is in the resistance seems to be scrapped for parts. >Why shitty flying fortress knock-offs who have to expose themselves and get over a target before hitting it?
Because they can make a bigger impact on target. They can carry orders of magnitude more explosives than other torpedo carriers.
Austin Peterson
>New B-Wings IIRC, at least one of the ships from TFA was built from part of a B-wing "mark II" hull or something along those lines. Fuck knows where those went. They probably got scrapped along with all the other cool toys the old Rebellion had because the Nu Republic is run by retards and FO infiltrators.
Jonathan Rodriguez
"The proton bomb was at least twice as powerful as the heavy rocket, though its self-propulsion was very weak and relied upon the inertia of the fighter deploying it." KEK SELF PROPELLED, EAT DICKS
Lucas Ortiz
That's a TIE Bomber, user. It's droppin' bombs.
Now if you wanted to point out that the asteroid had its own gravity which is how Han and Leia were walking around within you'd get somewhere, but still they use a magnetically propelled drop system.
Jeremiah Ross
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John Howard
Would it really have been suspicious?
This New Republic was willfully blind so.
John Davis
>enough ships to take over the Galaxy That just begs the question of where the fuck they found enough competent, skilled manpower to operate a galaxy's worth of warships. How many Imps evacuated to the Unknown Regions to form the FO? Surely they couldn't have been that horny. The idea of Space North Korea having a population capable of staff a galactic navy, let alone the infrastructure to support said navy, is laughable. Were they shitting out Spaarti clones by the gorillion to fill out the ranks?
Joshua Cooper
>orders of magnitude more explosives I suppose. But what's the point when they're so ineffective? I get that it's pretty gnarly that one load concentrated is enough to break dreadnought armor and cause a chain reaction; that's pretty cool I suppose. But how on earth can an organization strapped for parts, airframes, fuel, and ordinance decide that an entire formation is worth it to kill one capital ship when they were still in a shitty enough position that they had to run away?
Cooper Perry
>dreadnought with a fighter screen does an awful lot of shooting back. Not after it's been Dameroned it doesn't.
Jonathan Bennett
You missed the part where Poe was immediately demoted for basically getting all their anti-capship forces destroyed right after then, I take it?
Daniel Cooper
Because it subverts your expectations.
David Perez
What part of relying on inertia escapes your understanding?
Lucas Sanchez
That you got me beat on. Desperation is a helluva drug.
And considering that high command was repeatedly going "bail out just abort abort abort" It seems like the Resistance did NOT want to go with that plan, and it was largely Poe's zealotry.
Carson Fisher
The part were you ignored that they aren't falling
Adrian Thomas
I kind of wish that Star Wars showed us more Legend of the Galactic Heroes numbers every now and again so we didn't have to rely on the narrative of the entire galaxy being fought over by a series of small skirmishes.
Dameron did a great job of fighting off that fighter screen. Wait, no. The other thing happened.
I didn't miss it, I just don't think it's representative enough to make up for the stupidity of the tactic. I can't imagine any situation in a fleet battle where it would have worked.
>That just begs the question of where the fuck they found enough competent, skilled manpower to operate a galaxy's worth of warships.
Part of Kuat broke away and left with them apparently.
We also don't know what's in the Unknown Regions. They could have a whole slave Empire in there somewhere.
Also, don't forget they were kidnapping children for their new military machine and when Hux is addressing the Stormtroopers, he mentions Starkiller Base as a machine "they have constructed", perhaps implying the Stormtroopers could have been used as labor to build their warmachines.
This might explain how Finn knows so much about the First Order's tech, such a having knowlege he shouldn't have about the Super Laser Battering Ram.
Still, I think the bulk of this comes down to the New Republic being stupid as they knew about the First Order rearming as early as the Poe comics.
Zachary Garcia
>Dameron did a great job of fighting off that fighter screen. Wait, no. The other thing happened. Yes, an explosion occurred and debris destroyed two other bombers, three total.
Gavin Ortiz
>competent, skilled manpower It's mostly child soldiers fed a potent cocktail of propaganda and indoctrination
Isaac Jenkins
The canon side offers up nothing to contradict or support the Legends side. However, give that it's the same weapon in the same situation in the same vehicles, common sense lends the Legends side more credence
Jaxon Rodriguez
Sure they do. They "fall" in the direction they were launched, following inertia. Duh.
Chase Cook
It makes sense that the FO would have to cross-train people. Even with slaves and a potential UR pocket-empire, you have to make the numbers work somehow.
Brody Myers
So they are launched.
Logan Rivera
To be fair, that's a pretty good trade. One multi-kilometer warship filled with thousands of FO personnel in exchange for some crappy bombers full of redshirts? Easy choice. It's the bomber pilots' own fault for dying to AA coverage that would make World War II shipwrights laugh with derision.
Irrelevant. Just because canon doesn't contradict Legends doesn't give you carte blanche to ram Legends into canon because it's not contradicted. Sweet Leeland Chee it never worked that way.
