the separatists decide to invade Earth

> the separatists decide to invade Earth
How well those things would fare against what we have here and now?

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Most likely the governments just go along with it and join the confederacy

>lost to gungans
Doomed against anyone, except Italians and maybe French.
Star Wars militaries are so retarded it hurts.

>A bunch of mass produced, easily replaceable futuristic robots with future weapons try to invade current earth

I don't know, try fucking guessing.

Don't forget that they use pike formations despite being armed with plasma guns and rely on a easily nuked command ship.

That has shields.

Agreed.
>hey we’ve got an army of supposedly highly trained genetically engineered perfect soldiers
>let’s teach them to walk walk n gun that’ll look cool

It was impenetrable unless you flew inside it. You need to realize the power scale of Star Wars. Each of their missiles is a nuclear warhead with enough force to make a moon sized battle station shake several floors in on a surface strike.

Their basic batteries can completely sublimate hundreds of thousands of pounds of iron in an instant, and their shields can shrug that off.

Even if their strategy isn't great, their armor and energy density is astronomical. We might survive the initial ground war, but we'd be helpless against bombardment.

That can be overloaded or bypassed by literal 7 year olds who fly spacecraft for the first time.

>Star Wars militaries are so retarded it hurts.
Came here to post this

except the French part. French have been a dominate military force for a thousand years, at one point all of Europe supplicated to France.
The only war you can claim France did bad in was WW2, but so did literally every single other country that Germany fought early war. Britain would have met the same fate had it not had an island to shirk back to. The simple fact is, Germany was years ahead of any other modern army. By the time all the other nations had time to catch up, it was too late for the countries bordering Germany (this includes France) because they had all already been defeated.

>b-b-but muh surrender!!!
France surrendered Paris without a fight because they had no real army left to defend it and because Germany had massive air superiority. They would have bombed Paris like they did all the cities in the east, destroying thousands of years of culture and history.

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>Their basic batteries can completely sublimate hundreds of thousands of pounds of iron in an instant, and their shields can shrug that off.
How do you know that asteroid was iron and not some ice? Besides, at least one ship in that scene got destroyed by colliding with an asteroid. Unless they were moving at relativistic speeds this amount of energy is achievable with modern nukes.

This is 5th grade history in every country except burgerland

So that’s leaves Italy as the most weakest military force ever. Figures.

Italians won (barely) a war against Ethiopia.
>inb4 WE WUZ ROMANS
Pizza niggers, pls.

Yeah, barely won a war against literal sandniggers with zero modern tech.

At least we was not BTFO as anglos against Stone Age niggas.

I wonder if 99% of the galaxy even gave a single fuck about the clone wars
On one side you had droids and on the other clones
It's not like people lost family and friends and shit

Not in Poland, hatred for france is shoved down our throats in history classes.
Oooor all my teachers were butthurt retards.

It was a war between politicians. People only helped when it was their planet being invaded

They were poles, so both.

Yeah, pretty sure this was one of those Chinese mock cities or something.

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We're talking about the asteroid field scene right? First of all, we don't have the material sciences necessary to have even a fraction of the Delta-V of any ships in SW. They can just fly straight out of hangers and up into space, and not orbit or anything, just hang there.

Then, even if those were ice, which is unlikely. They casually and with no real dedication have weapons of turning massive amounts of ammonia, and water into nothingness in a fraction of a second. With just one gun, possibly shooting two bolts at most.

These ships are covered in them. We can't even launch anything to intercept fast enough or agile enough to try to get close.

We learn that from 3rd grade upward most just ignore it. It doesn't help that we devote an entire month to a single race and time period over everything else every year so between that, the rest of the world, and american history the reasons france waved the flag go by the way side.

>a ship losing its bridge means the entire vessel is lost
What a retard

Confederacy used mercs to pad out their droid army, and they weren't above war crimes or unethical experimentation if they saw any benefit to it (see Nelvaan).
In addition, the Judicials often padded out the clone army on the Republic side. There's lots of reasons to give a shit about the Clone Wars.

>Inventing Star Wars lore to cover up for existing lore not making any sense
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Here, star destroyer is pwned by a low KE space rock.

Different user.
In the SW universe if a ship loses its bridge it IS lost. All control goes out the window and best case scenario it just floats there waiting to either be boarded or rescued. Some have circumvented this by making two bridges.

>thinks recoverable vehicle losses don't count in war
>doesn't know difference between bridge and operations room
>calls other people retarded
It's okay, SW writers don't know either.

> That can be overloaded or bypassed by literal 7 year olds who fly spacecraft for the first time.
Do we even have a spacecraft that can fly on space?

Executor only was lost due to it being in the DSII's gravity well when Crynyd hit its bridge.

Pretty sure the holocomms on a Star Destroyer are on the bridge. 'Tardo.

>Do we even have a spacecraft that can fly on space?
No, we just beam up people to ISS.

>Pretty sure the holocomms on a Star Destroyer are on the bridge. 'Tardo.
And why was Vader talking to an enlisted man steering ship instead of it's commanding officer?

They can just sit in orbit and threaten to blast us to kingdom come if we don't do what they say.
If that doesn't work, they have plenty of well armed aircraft that are more maneuverable than our jets. They have tanks that can float and can carry absurd amounts of firepower and armor. They have shielded gunship/carriers with perfect maneuverability and immense firepower. And yes, they have crappy infantry that a 14 year old with a baseball bat could take out if he got the jump on one. But those crappy infantry have weapons that can easily kill an armored man with one shot and there are untold millions of them with more being made every day.

The only way we could win is by messing about with nukes. While nukes exist in Star Wars, most are small energy based weapons (proton torpedoes). Mandalorians used proper nukes, but they left at least one planet a wasteland for over 4,000 years by doing that so most Star Wars factions don't use such weapons any more. In theory, starfighters and ship mounted laser cannons should be able to shoot down a human ICBM, but we might be able to hit their main ship. Then we'd probably get wiped within hours by their frigates and cruisers hitting our cities with turbolasers.


Most Star Wars shields don't block kinetic weapons. Yes, some do, but most are to stop plasma shots. This is why so many battles take place at very short range.
Yet another reason that I wish more Star Wars ships had railguns.

I don't know why they don't put the bridge in the center of the ships. They have really good sensors and holo-projectors, who needs big easily smashed windows?

>Most Star Wars shields don't block kinetic weapons.
Hint: nuke is a kinetic weapon until it decides to stop being one.

My point exactly. If they can't shoot an ICBM down, it wrecks at least part of the ship.

>inventing SW lore
Hooo boy, you are a fucking newfag if I've ever seen one. Jesus H Christ.
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>star fedora dot net
This is exactly what i'm talking about. Star Wars coming up with justifications for things made by people clearly not caring to begin with.

My point is the ship itself is a "loss" either for the time it takes another ship to tow its ass back for repairs and a new bridge so more than likely the entire encounter it was meant for OR the enemy take it one way or another. A loss is a loss for that battle and possibly more/permanently.
>why they don't put the bridge in the center of the ships
The power core/reactor and Ops Room goes there. Sometimes next to each other with a nice BIG window overlooking the prior.
>who needs big easily smashed windows
Aesthetics.

*Star Wars fans coming up with justifications for things made by people clearly not caring to begin with.
I wish that guy made an article justifying Star Wars ships making sounds in space before he moved on to spread enlightenment by his own intelligence.

I'd be pretty curious to see what some super fast autocannon like an AK-630 or a GAU-8 would do on a compact mass of droids. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be pretty.
Plus Star Wars shields don't stop kinetic weapons (hence the use of slug casters by some prime hunters and tusken raiders), so, good ol' carpet bombing should be pretty effective, and a depleted uranium APFSDS tank round should zip right through their tanks and transports.
In other words, pretty much all of our weaponry would go through Star Wars shields because they are almost all kinetic weapons ; even airplane bombs or cruise missiles are a physical metal object flying through the air until it hits another physical object.
Now comes another question : how would these droids react to EMPs? If the effect of such a weapon can be compared to the Gungans' electricity balls, you could effectively stop an entire droid division by detonating a tactical nuclear warhead above them.

Bonus points of awesomeness if someone (probably the Russians) decide to Casaba howitzer the shit out of the orbiting Federation ships.

Different user. It depends on the munitions used but almost all the materials used in their productions are scifi materials like plasteel and shit lighter than aluminum but 3 times stronger than steel.

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So it's not entirely reasonable to make direct ballistic impact comparisons of our munitions on our armor and vehicles to their vehicles and droids.
Certain munitions would definitely fuck up basic droids but they might have issues with the better models and vehicles.

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>scifi materials like plasteel and shit lighter than aluminum but 3 times stronger than steel
Wow, that's worse than kevlar.

For construction materials and armored plates you can make insanely thick due to the only internals needing to be the motor, loading and firing mechanisms, and ammo I'd say it's better than kevlar especially considering it's not brittle or clothelike and doesn't need to give to absorb kinetic energy.

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>doesn't need to give to absorb kinetic energy
So it's literally magic. Got it.

Human weapons still lay waste on the Federation's troops. Let's say that SW "steel" has 3 times the resistance of steel, and let's say that it goes up to 5 times the resistance of steel against HEAT weapons because it's better at handling high temperatures.

Let's say that standard droids have 5mm armor all around, equating to 15mm against kinetic penetrators and 25 against HEAT, and that the heavy ones have 1.5cm, thus 45mm against KE and 75 against HEAT.

Both can be mowed down by 30mm autocannon fire at 1000 meters, making vehicles such as the BMP-2 or FV510 Warrior IFVs lethal, and the A-10, Mi-24P or 2S6 Tunguska absolute murder machines with their 4 digit rates of fire. AP projectiles zip through the droids, HE ones have enough oomph to shatter any infantry type droid in one shot.

Even .50cal MGs can shred light droids, so it's time to break out the Hinds and their 4-tube machine guns.
Unguided rockets and bombs for airplanes, as well as artillery, can destroy IFVs or even tanks in the case of a direct hit or near miss, and thus can erase entire acres of droids, since these walk in Napoleonic like close formations.

Then, their hovertanks can be dispatched by human tanks and modern AT guns. Apart from the "foot" of the hovertank that has to be thick as fuck due to its profile, the Federation's hovertank seems to be protected by 100 to 150mm of supersteel, which means 450mm KE and 750mm HEAT. These values mean they can be killed by fin stabilised sabot rounds, even from slightly older vehicles such as the 105mm armed M1 Abrams or T-72A, and by most non-retired antitank missiles.
Mobile "barracks" have thin armor and a huge profile, and will get thrashed by planes or artillery.

The only things that will be difficult to hit are the motherships on orbit, but it's nothing a repurposed ICBM can't handle. If Anakin's fighter can enter the shield, so can a nuke, with an even meaner effect.

Planned result : Human victory after the initial surprise.

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>sabot rounds
What a lovely invention

he was 10 and chosen by fate.

from what I've read you're either A hearing from the inside of the ships, or B a digitization of things happening around made by the cockpit.

The real reason is that space is eerie without sound.

>he was 10
Now it's perfectly fine.
>chosen by fate
This is just what howishisnamespelledanyways assumed after seeing his blood test. Chances are MaRey Sue will be the real chosen one.

>hearing from the inside of the ships
Makes no sense, doesn't fit in with known physics.
>a digitization of things happening around made by the cockpit
Making up stuff to cover up for someone's else lack of effort again?

The Earth is important and all, yes, but what about the droid attack on the wookiees?

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However, one shouldn't underestimate enemy firepower. Droid lasers have no ballistic drop, and will fry any soldier that gets hit with it, and are likely to melt thin armor, giving them anti-materiel abilities akin to 20-23mm cannons. They're threats to APCs and IFVs. Tank rounds can of course threaten human MBTs.
However, there's a catch ; these shots have no penetration and will only wreak havoc on what they hit directly. Light "infantry" lasers can thus be stopped by spaced armor - WW2 era plates hung 30cm from the vehicle's hull - or by ERA. I don't see this kind of light armor resist several droid-tank round, but it could deflect the effect of a first round, allowing the crew to leave the human tank alive.
Infantry has no chance in close combat, apart from the random lucky RPG/AT4 shot on a tank, since light arms won't deal sufficient damage on even the lightest droids. They should be kept out of the fight and used only in defensive operations with AT missiles, heavy machine guns, automatic grenade launchers and mortars, hitting at long ranges, where the droids' light arms accuracy will be low.

One of the Federation's weak points is thaat droids, apart from their air support, have no beyond visual range weapons. They're defenseless against artillery. Mortars, multiple rocket launchers, howitzers... can thus hit droid formations with minimal issues. Tank formations can be targeted by barrages of antitank cluster bomblet-loaded artillery, hitting the thinner top armor, and mobile barracks can be targeted by tactical missiles such as the Scud or Iskander, which carry a quite heavy high explosive warhead which will crack them open.

Moreover, droids have no anti-air weaponry apart from their air cover. Droid fighters have no beyond visual range combat ability and will thus be decimated by long range missiles - SAM or AAM - although survivors can present a serious threat in dogfight to human fighters.

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Once the droids' air cover is blown, helicopters and planes can target freely the ground troops with cannons, anti tank missiles, unguided bombs, cluster bomblets... dealing serious damage while being under a limited threat.

Human forces should then "soften" the Droid force with artillery and long range air-air missiles, then with air support, and then deal the fatal blow with tanks and IFVs using cannons and missiles.

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>long flowing hair
>in a tank
This will end in tears and/or death.

They did care:
A: A metric shitton of collateral damage
B: It was the first Galactic War in like a millennia or something.
C:They had bear the costs of military production, most notably the manufactoring of clones and droids respectively.

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*millennium

>most Star Wars shields don't block kinetic weapons

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>blasters are lasers and not particle beams capable of punching holes in space-concrete
>droids can't just fucking outfly incoming missiles due to being faster and not having to worry about meatbag things like g-loc
This just gets funnier and funnier

Okay, I'm not THAT educated in SW lore, might be because of that.

1/If the blasters shoot particle beams, then ERA could do the trick. Only the most modern tanks will be protected, and might be disabled by the shot, but at least the crew will survive.
However, infantry blasters still have rather low penetration, the movies show them with less penetration through heavy cover like trees, rocks, buildings etc than most rifle calibres.

And droid fighters, without radar warning tools and flying in the atmosphere, can be intercepted by the latest long range AAMs, which zip at Mach 4. When flying in an Earth-like atmosphere, most SW universe fighters are shown flying at subsonic speeds. They can of course reach supersonic speeds, but will need acceleration time because air offers much more resistance than the vacuum of space, and the time they'll have between the detection of the missile flying their way and the time they get hit is very limited.

In last resort, they can be engaged by short range gun AA and infrared SAMs, which can go unnoticed by the pilot before the aircraft gets hit. Of course, droid fighters are piloted by IA and thus have maximal reaction times, but they're not likely to be equipped by missile warning systems since, y'know, IR and radar guided missiles don't exist in the SW universe.

No they aren't, and stop being a disingenuous lying cunt.

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Star Wars ships aren't even kilotons, they are sub-nuclear and require superweapons to get nuclear yields. Otherwise their firepower is comparable to a WWII late war Battleship. IE shit. The MOAB Trump had dropped on ISIS is more powerful than a turbolaser.

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Furthermore we actually see orbital bombardment in Star Wars, and it's so pathetic that a human survives a near point-blank blast from an ISD's turbolaser batteries.

You could easily kill anything short of a Death Star by just hitting it with one ICBM.

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War of Naboo Agression.

And for example, this is what happens when a nuclear bomb is detonated in atmosphere. Nothing in Star Wars besides the Death Star and the Pizza Ship from TLJ even has firepower comparable to this. If Star Wars ships were this powerful you literally would not be able to see anything in the battles, as the glare from the explosions would obscure all sight.
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Star Wars doesn't have durasteel. Per canon Durasteel is stronger than steel, but weaker than titanium. It's little different from RHA steel.

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Whoops.

God you're so fresh off the turnip wagon it's painful.

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It is literally canon (not Disney canon because that shit is retarded) that a Star Destroyer can wipe out all life on a planet through Base Delta Zero. Keep in mind that a Star Destroyer is a fairly small picket vessel, and compared to an Executor is like comparing a Coast Guard cutter to the Nimitz. We're talking individual vessels that have higher energy outputs than our entire race, number in the thousands if not 10s of thousands and are on the lowish end of Star Wars energy scales.

I don't get the double standard between the OT and PT. This meme is presumably about how clunky the the line is in comparison to good SW (the OT), but the OT has clunky transitions too, like pic related.

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It's almost like even modern day tanks can eat those kind of hits. Tanks aren't relying on structural low carbon steel for their armour. They use ceramic composites, armour plate, spaced armour, reactive armour and depleted uranium. There were incidences in the Gulf War were Abrams tanks were hit by each other without penetration. I feel like a Star Wars vehicle isn't gonna be rolling us with 500mm of RHA equivalent.

>The only war you can claim France did bad in was WW2

What about the Franco-Prussian War mang? It was one of the causes of WW1 as well.

They have some sort of 3 dimensional map that shows anything within a certain radius and beyond that something else that detects energy signatures out past that with lowish granularity.
It would pick up any solid object fairly far out and know more the closer it got.
I can't say what its using to do this but its ambient and active in all directions and spectrums.

Reminder that the gungans lost to the droids and had to be saved by a small human child.

Nostalgia, but also it's okay when something stupid is used to give us something good. Without that dumb line, the droids never would've met Luke, for example.

Yeah and without the dumb PT line, we couldn't have had the Order 66 montage.
Yoda had to be shuffled off somewhere.

>No mention of reverse engineering the droid equipment as fast as we can to use against them

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I' ll try spinning, that's a good trick!

You really can't. It uses things like power and fuel cells we can't replicate and materials we don't have on earth and can't actively make because we're also missing whole elements needed.
Ex: all 3 of those are needed to replicate their grav tech AND their weapons tech.

All they ever wanted was to Rodger Rodger.

If we give them that then we may be okay.

>tfw always liked this line as a kid and don't get why it's hated when cheesy shit like "for luck" *kiss* in ANH isn't ragged on.

You'll notice how unique what happened was. He had to fly fast enough right into the ship to not get attacked, but slow enough to not slam into the back wall.
Then the ship had to recover from overheating before he got attacked again.

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>asteroid
>low kinetic energy

The Chelyabinsk meteor was 20m wide and it's air burst was 30 times that of the Hiroshima bombing.

Look at the clip, you mongoloid. It's pretty slow.

By the end of the clone wars the Republic was using EMP bombs against the droids to great effect. EMP's will work, because the CIS is so fucking cheap that they didn't bother to harden their army against it's single greatest weakness.

this honestly, everyone else is wrong

>I can judge distance and speed in space properly.
>kinetic energy is only applied by velocity and not mass
>that rock wasn't traveling at least hundreds if not thousands of km/h
>that rock was a mere 20m
>the shields probably were not already weakened by prior hits


If that thing hit earth it would probably wipe out a fucking country bro.

To add to what I said this guy here theforce.net/swtc/isd.html#shields
thinks that asteroid was literally stronger than the Chelyabinsk meteor by a decent margin. Which is to say that actually if all it did was destroy the few hundred meter wide bridge and not the entire ships is insanely impressive and far beyond anything we could replicate.

Both of these are meant at

>neither giving speed estimates nor how they arrived with them
>assuming ferrous asteroid
>citing non-canon sources
And even then it's estimated as ~1/8 megaton equivalent, not that much.

Read the rest of the website where he will actually explain calculations like that. As a general rule he'll figure out how big the bridge is, the size of the asteroid, and then use those to guess how far it travels and then we can assume it's speed. But nonetheless original post assumes it was slow as fuck, which anyone with a brain can tell it isn't.

>Asteroids are differentiated from comets and meteoroids. In the case of comets, the difference is one of composition: while asteroids are mainly composed of mineral and rock, comets are composed of dust and ice.

Not all asteroids are ferrous, but it sure as fuck ain't made of cotton candy. So again for all we know it might not be iron based, but something even heavier considering iron isn't the heaviest metal.

>citing non canon sources.
>being this autistic

All sources are non canon now thanks to Disney. But that being said there isn't a single thing said in that guy's article that wasn't extrapolated from the movie itself.

>1/8 of a megaton isn't much

I would like to see the human made shield generator that can stop a baseball thrown at one's head. Here we have a warship that survived a direct hit from an impact that can wipe out a city and you think that's something that isn't impressive.

this memes fucking stupid and forced, what even is the joke? It's an old fuck inquiring about an attack during a war...big deal? It leads to Yoda going to Kashyyyk, I don't get why its funny/meme-material.

>Franco-Prussian War
Afaik French didn't do that bad afaik, Germany was just way ahead in military innovation and French were still a more traditional almost Napoleonic armed force
I'm no expert though, I might be wrong

WHAT IN THE GODDAMN

>But nonetheless original post assumes it was slow as fuck, which anyone with a brain can tell it isn't.
If you reverse that guy's calculations you will end up with a speed of 355 m/s, which is slow as fuck by space standards (>1/20 of Earth orbital speed).
>Not all asteroids are ferrous, but it sure as fuck ain't made of cotton candy. So again for all we know it might not be iron based, but something even heavier considering iron isn't the heaviest metal.
Average asteroid density is >1/3 density of iron.
>I would like to see the human made shield generator that can stop a baseball thrown at one's head.
You won't see it because shield generators are literal magic.
>Here we have a warship that survived a direct hit from an impact that can wipe out a city and you think that's something that isn't impressive.
Yes, but it shows primitive earthlings have enough rock and stick to take down droid command ship.

you mean the zulus? or is this another war I'm overlooking, because I'm pretty sue the zulu lost

>I'm no expert though, I might be wrong
You fucking are. French had semi-professional army, better rifles, as well as early machine guns, but they lost to a mob of conscripts.

So these are all things.
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