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Should Dark Elves/Drow be a core race?

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Illusionz
Illusionz

Genetic Versatility: Gain an extra chromosome

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girlDog
girlDog

Should Dark Elves/Drow be a core race?

I've been toying with an idea in my head of making elves a race that adapts to their environment in early childhood. An elf who grows up having to survive in the woods will turn into a wood elf, one who grows up underground will become a drow, one who grows up in city or civilization will be a high elf, ect. However, after childhood this adaptability "turns off" and their development becomes alot more static for the next few centuries.

Mostly I was trying to think of a way to make elves less of a Mary Sue race, or make them something besides "Humans but better" and thought that making them alot less adaptable after childhood would help... but for the purposes of your initial question I think it'd be a fine way to make Drow a Core Race. Or rather, elves themselves are the Care Race and the sub-race is determined by the childhood environment.

In before "that's not how it works in Forgotten Realms!" I'm talking about a custom setting, not any of the published ones.

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haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Still looking better than the halflings though.

likme
likme

Dark Elves/Drow
they are in the core book. do you mean as their own race and not a subrace of elves?

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Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

should a race in the PHB be a core race
what did he mean by this

Firespawn
Firespawn

Warforged Special Components and Upgrades

Armory Gauntlet - A forearm replacement that appears similar to a heavy gauntlet carved with various enchanting runes. Allows the warforged to store up to 5 non-magical weapons and 1 attuned magical weapon in a pocket dimension that can be summoned or switched one at a time with a bonus action. Made out of metals and stone mined from islands on the Astral Sea.

Featherwood - Harvested and carved from rare floating trees from the Elemental Plane of Air this upgrade material is used to replace the standard wooden elements of a Warforgeds physical form. This grants a +10 to run speed and allows the subject to use the Feather Fall spell at will (as if by Ring of Featherfall). Also allows the subject to use Levitate up to an hour per long rest.

Lenses of Sight - Various intricately made glass or crystal lenses that produce a variety of effects by replacing the standard crystal lenses that compose a Warforgeds eyes. Most common are Lenses of Nightvision granting low-light vision with others including Lenses of Detect Magic, Darkvision, and most rare of all, True Sight. Crafted from a variety of rare crystals, gems and glass.

Longarm - An upgrade for a Warforgeds arm that allows them to launch their fist up to 30ft and retract it via a chain. This allows the Warforged to throw and retrieve melee weapons or deliver a ranged unarmed attack. Spellcasters can also use it to deliver touch spells through it. Can be used to provide assistance on climbing checks. It can be used to initiate a strength check against a target that can either be used to pull the target toward the wielder if small enough or draw the wielder toward a larger target. Chain links are made with a rare forging technique and build pattern with high quality rare metals.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Draconic Implant - A rare and gruesome upgrade that takes the organ responsible for breath attacks from a dead dragonborn or young dragonling and grafts it into the Warforged. This grants them the ability to use the corresponding breath attack once per short rest. Most factions have banned or heavily frown upon the use of this implant due to its gruesome requirements.

Immovable Belt - Taking the slot of a belt item this upgrade allows a Warforged to create the effect of an Immovable Rod with its body, rendering their legs locked in place but unable to be moved without the respective strength checks. Can last up to 30 seconds at a time up to 5 minutes per long rest.

Magnetic Grip - Upgrades for the hands that install several lodestones into the fingers and palms. Prevents disarming attempts against held metallic weapons. Provides a bonus to grapple checks made against foes wearing metallic armor or made out of metal themselves. Caution: polarities of the lodestones prevent clapping.

Eye-oun Stone - A metal and glass prosthetic eye that detaches from its socket to float in an orbit around the wielders head when activated. Prevents the wielder from being flanked and provides a bonus to perception checks when activated. Can be used up to five minutes at a time per short rest.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Ooze Armor - An extensive and expensive upgrade that installs several glass jar like containers in the Warforgeds body. These contain portions of various ooze that when activated emerge and form a layer of natural armor over the Warforged. The upgrade renders the Warforged immune for short durations to the attuned oozes corrosive touch and fools it into believing the Warforged is a part of itself. When active it grants the wielder damage resistance to bludgeoning in addition to whatever the respective oozes damage immunities are. Can be used up to an hour per long rest before the slime must be returned to its containers to heal or risk it going wild. Must be fed protein once per day to keep healthy and behaved. Attempts to utilize Gelatinous Cube slimes have resulted in total failure.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

they are in the core book.
should a race in the PHB be a core race
When we're talking about drow, one of the most violent, xenophobic races in D&D's history, they shouldn't be presented as a core race alongside humans, halflings, and surface elves.
At best, they should've been introduced in Volo's guide or one of the underdark adventure books like how 5e introduced the genasi in ToEE.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

If half-orcs and tieflings can be core races, so can drow

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Yes, dark elves serve a large purpose for the game world allowing a huge underground society under an evil god, creating the setting equivalent of an all female Rome that surface nations can hate, they are an antagonist Nation and antagonist in nature through their nature and philosophy - it gives players a really bad guy and ultimately if it can be fun it should be added.
But ultimately it's up to the DM.

I'm gonna be playing a Mongolian themed Elf faction that rides giant scorpions and roams the desert, I'm playing a rogue, have three sixteen stats and the soldier background - An Officer of a scouting group, I have an eye patch because bad perception (Put a 7 in wisdom)

Anyone got any advice on how to play a rogue? DM has given me a Yurt and a Horse
I'm just seeking general advice, not Robbing the party is obvious.

Pic related, how I'm planning on trying to play a rogue .

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Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

get rid of them too desu

takes2long
takes2long

Eye-oun Stone
Reminds me of binding of isaac

askme
askme

Scout seems like the obvious choice

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Higher leveled versions should grant Behold type effects or be able to cast Eyebite. Or at least magic missile

hairygrape
hairygrape

Horcs and Tieflings are not inherently evil, Drow are.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

their society is evil, there's no rule saying every drow is born evil

MPmaster
MPmaster

Thanks

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Spamalot
Spamalot

What is that animal?

w8t4u
w8t4u

There's also no rule saying I can't play a gold dragon at level 1 either, but good luck convincing a DM into letting you get away with it.
Let's face it, someone raised in drow culture, even if you aren't exactly evil per se, would still have to be incredibly manipulative, cunning, and deceptive just to survive, there's no way you couldn't be, especially if you're a male drow.
Then you add on the propaganda that drow culture shoves through your skull every waking moment, about how surface dwellers stole what was yours and how Lolth gives you the power to steal it back, and it's kinda hard to justify a non-evil aligned drow popping up on the surface world without someone murdering them on sight sooner or later.

WebTool
WebTool

I have a soft rule that anyone playing a drow in my games has to be born to refugees on the surface, because there is NO way Drow from the Underdark can function as adventurers without a ton of asspulls.

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TechHater
TechHater

That's easy user. Now that Corellon-blessed sex-changing drow are a thing, any drow player has the perfect excuse to be an outcast from drow society.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

incredibly manipulative, cunning, and deceptive
so the average player character

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Can I power game myself into godhood yet or was that always in the game and I was just too lazy/stupid to figure out how?

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Supergrass
Supergrass

What's he listening too?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

so the average player character
The average player character is too stupid to figure out a riddle for middle-schoolers, much less weave their way through a political campaign where failure equals death.

MPmaster
MPmaster

youtube.com/watch?v=qsc4Em93zr8

Emberfire
Emberfire

Greetings /5eg/, getting back into DnD after a long dryspell and looking for some advice and guidance. DM is running the campaign with Curse of Strahd, and I want to run a cleric.

Now generally, I have no interest in clerics because I can never come up with a character concept I enjoy, but this time was an exception. Fluffwise I want to do something that has something of a Dark Souls feel to it, or even the Red Priests from Song of Ice and Fire. The idea is that my character worships an aspect of the Dawnbringer that places a heavy emphasis on protecting the weak and innocent from monsters and the supernatural. This aspect would represent things like torches and bonfires that give people the hope to fight back against evil. The ember in the darkness, if I'm being dramatic.

Light Domain seems like the obvious choice to everyone at this point, but I would like to do some martial combat and not just be playing a glorified sorcerer. So far as I can tell if you pick Light Domain you're stuck as laser bitch. I looked at Forge Domain which almost seemed to fit but there was a lot of emphasis placed on crafting that I wouldn't know how to refluff or replace.

Any experienced Anons want to tell me how I could achieve this character concept? My DM says I can even make a homebrew domain to match it, but I know I don't have nearly enough experience to attempt something like that without completely fucking it up.

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Ignoramus
Ignoramus

How much combat is too much combat?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

I'd just go Forge and ask if you can swap out the second level feature for Light's, and maybe swap around a few domain spells

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

when the party is dead

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

I am playing basically what you described as a forge cleric. I didn't ignore the crafting parts, though - I incorporated them, because dwarf.

Water cleanses flesh, flames cleanse the soul, brother.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Currently running Hoard of the Dragon Queen for a few people. It's kinda boring in places and I already replaced a part with my own stuff which my players liked a lot more, so I'm planning to veer off into other territory without just starting a new game entirely. Basically I'd like some advice from anyone else who ran HotDQ or adapted it for their own uses:

I want to introduce another enemy group. Just in case any of my players are reading this, I don't want to go into too much detail. Would having this foe (a group roughly as powerful and organised as the Cult) attacking Castle Naerytar when the players arrive be a good idea, or would it ruin that section too thoroughly? I feel like letting them explore part way through and having an attack begin while they're trying to infiltrate - choosing either to maintain cover by assisting the dragon cult, or taking advantage of the situation.

Or should I have foes arrive during the Roadhouse which they are very shortly about to arrive at? I'm just hoping that it won't distract too much from the current plot - complement it without completely sidetracking from it.
For slightly more detail, the other group is a cult who is moving to more active efforts for total control - they're just as bad, if not worse than the dragon cult, but depending on how the players react to the threat, one might destroy the other or even forge an uneasy alliance if things are too dire.

Have a tiny snake for your troubles.

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Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

officer of a scouting group
7 Wisdom
Why would you do this?

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Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

It gets better

I rolled for those extra fluff bits and got the "Gives sage combat advice " or something along those lines so I just imagine him rambling and giving terrible advice.

Honestly the DM said wisdom wasn't important for a rogue, I played a 4e paladin once in a different group and that's the most experience the entire current group has had really.

We got a charlatan cleric who's a snake oil salesman, a Dwarf Barbarian Queen, a Alcoholic half orc ranger and another Dune Elf(mongolian elf) who's playing a druid.

So far the barbarian has the highest intelligence ... It's gonna be a mess from start to finish.

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Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Stealing these.

Also gonna include the classic upgrade idea for a Warfoged: Beehive.

Just a regular beehive stored in their torso. Allows the warforged to sell harvested honey and wax

viagrandad
viagrandad

So far the barbarian has the highest intelligence
What's his INT?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

If I were your DM, I wouldn't mind swapping the 8th level features between domains, so that you could get Divine Strike with fire damage instead of Potent Spellcasting.
But yeah, go with forge and refluff. Maybe the extra AC on your armor happens because your armor shines and glistens during battle, making it harder for enemies to hit. Or your armor is empowered by your faith in the Dawnbringer as you pray to him every day.

See with your DM if he is cool with switching around a few things, like the Channel Divinity options. Swapping Artisan's Blessing with Corona of Light. Taking a quick glance at the domain spells, what about this for your guy:
1st level - burning hands, searing smite
3rd level - heat metal, magic weapon
5th level - daylight, elemental weapon
7th level - guardian of faith, wall of fire
9th level - flame strike, scrying

cum2soon
cum2soon

Alright nerds, I'm playing for the first time since I was a kid. I've only ever played AD&D (second edition I think?) with my old man.

WHAT SHOULD I ROLL? My party has..
a triton Eldritch Knight
a human ranger
a paladin
a spellsinger

The last two seem to be flakey, which is why the group recruited another dude (me), so that they could keep the show going if/when the last two don't come.
I was thinking either Warlock (Hexblade? Or maybe a Fey/GOO tomelock?), druid, or cleric.

HELP

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

15

Emberfire
Emberfire

DROOD

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

15 int Barbarian
so he rages about philosophical quandries

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

So...you're playing a Rupert?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

I mean, nobody's playing a Wizard so you should be fine.

askme
askme

I'm currently running Rise of Tiamat, so I went through where you are now. Honestly, I'm not sure if it's a good idea to introduce another cult that is just as bad as the dragon cult, as it might undermine the threat they represent. Remember that at this point in time, the Cult is already getting its plan into motion, and it hasn't gathered all of its resources yet. All in all the Cult of the Dragon will have access to thousands of cultists, several mercenary companies, about a 100 chromatic dragons, a legion of devils and a large group of Red Wizards.

Now, I'm not saying you can't do it, just be careful. Also, Chapter 4 (the one you just went through) is the most boring one. Things usually kick off when the players get to Castle Naerytar.

massdebater
massdebater

Honestly she's a mess of a character, as we all are really, Dwarf Queen with no beard but huge muttenchop sideburns, on her way to sign some peace accord or some war thing for her people

Campaign is gonna start in a little trading town that's between really important stuff so it used to be quite rich, but due to a plague that the world's on the tail end off atm it's become somewhat impoverished,

I'm betting we are gonna end up fighting undead and the plague will be apart of some necromancer plan.

any and all advice would be appreciated

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

playing a wizard
highest stat rolled was a 12
thank god my DM let me reroll unsupervised

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

I have no idea who that is? Pic for detail plz?

Methnerd
Methnerd

I'm doing this with a Zeal Cleric.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Thanks user. I'm gonna try and speed my players through the Roadhouse because they tend to get stuck on little things and then complain when things are slow - I have a feeling they'll enjoy the castle.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

It's british military slang for an officer. Closest depiction would be general Melchett from Blackadder goes forth.

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w8t4u
w8t4u

So tell us your character's backstory

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Bidwell
Bidwell

First impulse would be to go wizard and round things out with some magic support on the two reliable ones. My second impulse would be cleric, because you've got a weakness there.

Warlock isn't a bad idea. EB spam can get a bit boreing but with a 3 man crew it's useful to be able to grind things down at range.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

When was the last time you Princess Carried one of your teammates/NPCs? If you have not done so why?

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TreeEater
TreeEater

Has anyone used Kyuss or anything from the Age of Worms before?

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Snarelure
Snarelure

Oh, I almost forgot. If you haven't seen this, you probably should:
thecampaign20xx.blogspot.com.br/2014/10/tyranny-of-dragons-guide-to-hoard-of.html
It helped me a lot running HotDQ.

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Methnerd
Methnerd

Our party wizard was knocked out by an unlucky shot when he stepped up to the front line to Thunderwave a group back down some stairs, but one passed the save and hit him before he could get back.

Action Surged to knock out the one still up next to us then picked up the wizard and ran out before the others could recover and come back up the stairs at us, had to jump out of the building.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Oh! Yeah sounds about right, great advice like "Let's just charge the machine gun nest at the top of the hill and never ducking when shoot at sounds fun.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Any. If combat happens, it means you messed up somewhere.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Break up encounters so the players get one or two fights, then an exploration, social or puzzle encounter.

Illusionz
Illusionz

When it gets to the point where nobody having fun anymore. Seriously, 4-8 encounters between long rests is obnoxious as fuck, yet leveling up takes so long without it drags the whole game down.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

But if you don't have 4-8 encounters per rest, then wizards just get to handwave all the problems away because they never run out of spell slots!

w8t4u
w8t4u

Yet if you actually throw 4-8 encounters at the party per rest, the martials will be dead, so it's kinda a wash either way.

That and Wizards, Clerics, and Druids regain some spell slots on a short rest anyways and coffeelocks have infinite spell slots so long as you never take a long rest anyways, so what's the point?

massdebater
massdebater

Introduce some time constraints so they won't be sleeping after every encounter.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

I noticed that the link to Veeky Forums sheets in the OP Pastebin is missing some of the classes (Ranger, Rogue, Sorcerer, Warlock, Wizard) and I did some digging and found the MEGA link that also has them.
mega.nz/#F!x0UkRDQK!l-iAUnE46Aabih71s-10DQ

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

druid for sure, land or dreams depending on whether you want to be an all round caster or a healing focused one.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

How can I make a Behir terrifying enough to be avoided for a level 12 party?

girlDog
girlDog

on a narrow cliff only 5 feet wide

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

5E cured my Elven Fever.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

My campaign of 3 years is starting down the road to the end game and the BBEG. I have a fairly good idea how that fight will go down. Though i've never gotten this far before in a campaign.

Any tips?
Things to avoid?
Things to do?

Can provide more details of the BBEG if people are interested.

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Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Any tips?
don't die
Things to avoid?
death
Things to do?
live

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

I should have clarified, I am the DM.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

It made my Tiefling fever worse.

5mileys
5mileys

You should maybe tell us a bit more to give us an idea of what is going on, then.

w8t4u
w8t4u

All you got to do is say they are runaway slaves. The average drow also seem to live terrible shitty lives so its not that strange they'd want to fuck off and go adventure.

askme
askme

You could make it a Behir Hydra. Several heads shooting lightning and swallowing people are a horrifying thought.

Inmate
Inmate

Any DMs or Caster players out there ever made a custom spell before?

I am playing a wild magic sorcerer and the DM thought it would be fun that if my character was just pulling random shit off with wild magic, that my magic should be a little off the books too.

Any suggestions out there for what kind of spell I should make?
Or any kind of tips on what I should have in mind when making a spell?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Since Ranger and Fighter have limited recovery, druid or cleric would bring proper support, but the main question is of course what role YOU want to play.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Not that guy, but what exactly do you think refugees are? I'd say runaway slaves fit the definition pretty well.

SniperWish
SniperWish

Make it bigger. Have it do something that manifests it as above their power level right in front of their eyes

StonedTime
StonedTime

Be aware of what your players want and expect from the fight and make sure you can deliver. Legendary saves and escape plans can help you avoid an anticlimax if your players want a grand showdown, but if they want to punk the guy and feel powerful then don't cheat them out of it.

After three years you probably know what your players want from a final encounter. Do that.

FastChef
FastChef

Well yeah but they dont necessarily have to be from the surface either. The underdark is a big place, lots of places for runaways to hide.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

For sure. Wall o' text inbound.

The party has spent parts of the campaign collecting keys that open rooms in a dungeon. They were employed to do this by Death. Death is looking for what ever lies at the end. I've slipped in breadcrumbs here and there about what it is. The dungeon is in fact a Tomb, the Tomb of his wife who happens to be the incarnation of 'Life'. She was attacked by another Entity which caused her to very nearly actually die. Sensing this, the one true God locked the Entity and Life in the tomb and tasked Death to find a Successor to Life (when gods get bored, they find successors and live a normal life). Death refused and thinks he can fix her, because he is the incarnation of Death.

So the party reaches the tomb to find Life and another Entity there. Life is unconscious, but the other Entity is up and walking around. They learn that this is the incarnation of Time some how, the incarnation of Time was created by accident and then wanted to be come the only incarnation, seeking out to take Life's powers and then Deaths. He didn't succeed in taking Life's powers yet. Then Death shows up, gets emotional and the end game boss fight breaks out.

But since its like Death vs Time i'm putting more of a 'chess' like thematic to it and making the characters feel like they have been pawns this whole time, followed by the opportunity to step up.

They wont be fighting Time himself, but he will be summoning his own pawns and knights and so on. While Time and Death literally plays a chess game over head.

SniperGod
SniperGod

Do you guys know any good one shot of 3rd or 5th level?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Wow. I mean, it kinda depends on what you want the chess pieces to be and how literal you want to make the whole chess analogy.

That being said, it's cooler if your players end up as officer pieces, not pawns.

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King_Martha
King_Martha

What's the best hook to Curse of Strahd?

Spamalot
Spamalot

How different does a game system have to be in order for you to publish it as your own?

I've essentially hacked the game for me and my group to the point where I can barely call it 5e anymore, and was wondering if it'd be worth it to pay for some art and try to publish it.

Bidwell
Bidwell

me

Like, how different was original Pathfinder compared to 3.5?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

What's your favorite third party product?

askme
askme

Are there any good versions of the Artificer around?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

What's your beef with the UA one?

Probably Volo's, because it isn't 75% rehashed UA stuff.

Methnerd
Methnerd

I don't have beef, I meant that more as "what's the better version". Just woke up, sorry.

Also, Volo's is first party.

SniperWish
SniperWish

A barber-surgeon and native of Barovia who travelled the land tending to the sick and the afflicted. Grew increasingly more paranoid of the legends that the souls of the dead are trapped in this horrible place and is now on a quest to find a cure for death itself. Apparently he's found the means for a cure in a hidden place in the mountains but in return he must exist as a medium for the unholy powers that dwelled there (Undying Patron Warlock).

WebTool
WebTool

Playing a 3.5 game
Always more interested in pathfinder
5th comes out
Interested in trying it out just to see what it's all about
Youtube recommends me Critical Role one day
Now on episode 11 of critical role
Check out DnDbeyond and other materials
Making characters even though I won't be able to them for long time.
I am interested in playing 5th, already have a lizardfolk barbarian I want to play amongst other things

StonedTime
StonedTime

Also, Volo's is first party.
Yeah, you right. I'll pull my head out of my ass.

I appreciate some of the stuff that comes out of r/UnearthedArcana desu. Arcane Artillery (firearms rules), Visions of the Vault (magic items), 35 Versatile NPCs, etc. etc.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

well then look for a game

FastChef
FastChef

Apply to roll20 games. It's mostly hit or miss, but you can eventually find some good ones, especially if english isn't your language.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Outside of roll20 it's pretty hard to find games here on Guam

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

well then use roll20

MPmaster
MPmaster

Do you guys think tweaking Fury of The Small so it's double your level for medium creatures, triple for large and so on would make it a tad more useful while not going overboard?

TreeEater
TreeEater

No because it's a stupid nonsensical feature in the first place.

Skullbone
Skullbone

not him but don't you guys find it awkward finding games with randoms through roll20? i'm used to doing it with my friends, but spending multiple hours a day with a bunch of strangers roleplaying seems weird

Flameblow
Flameblow

What should I replace it with then

StonedTime
StonedTime

Take Halfling.
Done.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

I didn't find it strange at all. But my experience on roll20 is primarily as a DM, in which I carefully selected non-autismo players, and the ones I played in I eventually got to know some of the others in person after a few months.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

well, I just find my games through the Gamefinder thread/discord, so at least using Veeky Forums becomes a common point for us, and from then finding more common discussion points and becoming at least familiar with eachother is easy

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Nojokur
Nojokur

Goblin is a quality race, especially if you're not a rogue or ranger. Disengage and Hide as bonus actions for caster is really useful. They don't need anything at all. If you want to buff it, change it to prof times recharging on a long rest or something.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Is there any sort of 5e equivalent to Ad&d's lead box? I want to hide an orb of dragonkind from truesight, divination, etc and need an option.

w8t4u
w8t4u

i haven't played dnd in years, maybe i should give it a try again

massdebater
massdebater

go for it lad

Evilember
Evilember

UA shadow sorcerer
cast darkness with 1 sorcery point
unlimited use of the saving throw feature
XGTE shadow sorcerer
cast darkness with 2 sorcery points
can only use the saving throw once per long rest
why does every class option get horrifically nerfed from the actually good versions in UA

Firespawn
Firespawn

There's the Amulet of Proof Against Detection and Location, so the effect exists. It's not far fetched to say they've got a box version of it to conceal stuff.

WebTool
WebTool

That sounds fucking awful but if I was going to do it I would make an absolutely massive flowchart that branches off based on random things like remaining HP, type of enemy, what's for dinner, clothes you're wearing, etc. And then never do it again because it wouldn't be funny the second time.

RumChicken
RumChicken

Because the UAs are usually poorly-balanced (thanks Mearls) and invalidate the classes that already exist by virtue of how much better they are.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

pure sorcerer is already invalidated by being shit

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

How important is party comp?

New DM planning on doing LMoP with a friend. We are grabbing people off of Roll 20 which means we have some say in what the partt will look like. He's a 2H fighter, and we were thinking of grabbing a Paladin and Monk (not sure their planned build) because their apps were decent. What would be a good 4th? Or is this composition already unsalvageable?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Does that amulet beat truesight?
My GM likes using dragons as npcs.
Ancient evil dragon in my pocket = really bad situations when dealing with good dragons.

Supergrass
Supergrass

Party comp is entirely secondary to how functional the players themselves actually are.

Lunatick
Lunatick

Sorcerer is a full caster, and thus better than any martial.

It's not shit, it's just completely invalidated by Wizard being better in pretty much every respect.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Do you think it's a good idea in the first place to bring such a thing to a good dragon? Would he not see the box, but not what's in it?
Why do you have box blocking divination and truesight in your pocket?
Oh nothing, that's just my legendary quality lunchbox

It's the fantasy equivalent of going shopping with a briefcase manacled to your wrist.

Firespawn
Firespawn

I've seen parties work fine despite being composed of classes and characdters that should have not worked at all, and I've seen theoretically optimized character sfail because the player was too potato to do things right.

Like that time the druid turned into a buzzard (or whatever that stupid bird was) to pick or squawk at the wyvern we were fighting.
Because letting the ranger use his shitty healing ability to maybe stop the cavalier from bleeding out is perfectly fine, and the paladin could surely cure his slight poison problem himself, too..
Or that other time that fucking stupid Sorceror tried to use illusions to fool two fucking hill giants.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

As funny as a legendary lunchbox sounds, it'd actually be fairly simple(imo) to spin a story to deceive a dragon like that.

Why do you have box blocking divination and truesight in your pocket?
I've been tasked with delivering these plans to x city far away. They didn't give me a key and told me that the box was for its protection.

whereismyname
whereismyname

It's lost mines, as long as they aren't retarded they should be fine. Unless the dice fuck them up in the first few fights in which case get ready for a game 1 TPK by goblins

Booteefool
Booteefool

Did Mearls just fix the Fighter with the new Warlord subclass?

idontknow
idontknow

No, Fighter will always be the inferior choice to casters. A party of pure casters will always be better than a Fighter because they have the ability to deal with everything a fighter could except better.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Pathfinder vs 3.5 is all about the SRD.
d20srd.org/index.htm
Everything in there was open license, because Wizards wanted lots of people to make 3e products. And they did! And then they fucked it up with 4e, which brings us to Paizo making money off someone else's game.

Paizo was legally allowed to take everything from the SRD and publish it. They made up their own XP tables, because rules for creating a character aren't in the SRD. They made some modifications in places that saw a lot of use (like feats), and just copypasted everything that they didn't really care about. If it's part of the SRD and doesn't come up in the average campaign or charop forum, it made it into Pathfinder verbatim.

d20srd.org/srd/environment.htm
d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/environment/environmental-rules/

Pathfinder is an unusual case. Paizo was able to steal the 3e fanbase because Wizards specifically set themselves up for people to support it outside their control or oversight. Good news for fans of the Book of Erotic Fantasy, bad news for Hasbro shareholders.

For your game specifically, you can get away with a lot of shit when it comes to games because you can't copyright a game mechanic. What you can do is copyright the specific way they're presented. Wizards own "tapping a card", but they don't own a card abstractly representing a monster that you then temporarily exhaust in order to use one of its abilities. If you repackage the rules and express them in your own way, you'd probably get away with it.

Serious advice: Don't try to make "DnD but better". Wizards and Paizo have been trying that for decades. That's why we're on DnD 5e and about to get PF 2e. If you've got an interesting idea that distinguishes your game from 5e and satisfies a niche that DnD can't quite handle, then go for it. Otherwise, people are going to look at your game, ask "why wouldn't I just play a game with an actual playerbase" then go back to DnD.

Skullbone
Skullbone

No, because pic-related is still true.

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Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Werewolves
The whole werewolf dungeon is totally pointless unless you use that

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

At low levels fighters are the glue that holds a party together
In my current campaign I've played a fighter alongside a warlock, a wizard and a druid and the DM throws multiple encounters at us between rests
The casters just don't have the stamina to keep up, between my better hit die and second wind, and having great strength and constitution matters when someone falls unconscious and you need to run 3 miles with them draped over your shoulder

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

I have a blood hunter in my party, and the whole party and NPC allies look to her for leadership and strategy in combat.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

There are things that martials can do and casters can't. Some of them are corner cases and involve anti-magic fuckery, but it's true.

I think the big problem here is that DnD spellcasting fits very nicely into DnD turn-based combat. If you put John Wick in a room with a dozen DnD wizards, he'd shoot them all in the head before they managed to cast anything. Do the same thing with a DnD Fighter themed to be John Wick, and if he wins initiative then he gets a certain amount of attacks off and then the wizards get their turns at which point it's just a matter of choosing what sort of defeated John Fightwick gets to be.

Shadowrun has overpowered magic as well, but shooting someone in the head with an anti-tank rifle is equally overpowered. First guy to get a turn wins Shadowrun, which means advantage goes to the guy who surprises the other guy, which explains everything about Shadowrun both lore-wise and gameplay-wise.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

I want to play a dumb Orc Berzerker

Is there something wrong with me?

w8t4u
w8t4u

Wizards have spells that can do all of that at level 1.

Bidwell
Bidwell

John Wick is more like a Monk
He'll stunning fist 3 mages on his first round, maneuver so wizards can't fireball or some other AoE without hitting other allies, be super hard to hit with attack roll spells, make every save with his proficency, and just be straight up immune to a dozen other effects

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

There are things that martials can do and casters can't. Some of them are corner cases and involve anti-magic fuckery, but it's true.

Such as?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Make a strength save against being pitched towards the portal to hell

Flameblow
Flameblow

Twice maybe. Shit out of luck after that.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

D&D used to be willing to say that, but of course it isn't any more. We have become so afraid of being seen as saying 'race X is more Y' that we are even afraid to say that another species is actually different from humans in a fantasy setting.

I'm still of the mind that Drow are all evil along with Orcs and the rest. I would allow that maybe there is some rare individual exception running around (which is what players are), but the species itself is what it is.

SniperWish
SniperWish

Martials get cool armor and weapons!

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CouchChiller
CouchChiller

yeah but not every wizard is gonna have the spells prepared, spell slots available or time to cast shit in every scenario

TechHater
TechHater

found the guy whose DM can't say no to whining about long rests

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

I mean, a Paladin is likely pretty good at passing those and a dwarven spellcaster is likely with a non-crud strength score so he can use his racial armour proficiency well. That's more a 'stats' thing than a 'Martials' thing.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

no, all fun is valid in the right group

Nojokur
Nojokur

That's why you have 5 Wizards, each one specializing in a different school. Plus they have Cantrips which they can spam for damage.

Wrong, I've never DM'd in my life.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

A 5 wizard party at level 1 sounds like an awful time. You'd be dropping left and right from any lucky attack.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

There are things that martials can do and casters can't.
Except you're already wrong with the very first sentence...

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

someone ambushes the party and kills you all with a single fireball

girlDog
girlDog

And the caster can just teleport away... or buff his strength... or transform into a high-strength creature...or a million other things.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Dont know what to tell you. I run a pretty tight party with martial, two casters and a half caster, and its pretty ballanced in terms of contribution to the game.
If anything, the Wizard player feels the most useless right now, having the story completely moved on from his character goals right now

cum2soon
cum2soon

The creator of this has no idea how a Venn diagram works

Bidwell
Bidwell

Salty DM detected.

likme
likme

yeah, in hell

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

You wouldnt even need a fireball. A couple of gnolls could probably decimate the party in a single round with a couple lucky rolls.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

CASTERS CAN DO EVERYTHING A MARTIAL CAN AND BETTER
IF YOU PLAY MARTIAL YOU'RE RETARDED FOR NOT HAVING EVERYONE BE A WIZARD
God you people sound boring to play with as you probably waste everyone's time preparing for any single thing can happen to you instead of playing the game. Hell I bet you avoid all roleplaying too since you have magic for that as well huh

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Disarm enemy caster of his arcane focus with Disarm optional rule (DMG)
Second attack grapple him, he can't resist it because noodle arms
Free item interaction kick his arcane focus away
heh
>He Misty steps out of my grapple right on top of his focus, picks it up and casts a cantrip at me/dashes to create distance
wojak.bmp

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Fair point. Maybe a Kensei Monk would be a better DnD equivalent to that style of combat? Gun-fu?

Well, picking from actual examples, last night's DnD involved my low level players getting attacked by wolves while they were investigating a missing caravan. The wolves won initative and attacked the nearest guy first, who was the Fighter. Guy dropped to single digit HP. It was appropriately tense.

I can think of a lot of ways a Wizard could, potentially, have dealt with that situation. But I also have no doubt that if I'd played the wolves differently and attacked the Wizard (or Sorcerer, as it happened to be in my game), then he would have been dropped.

I like playing Wizards and other casters because I like the swagger that comes with knowing you've got resources you can drop on an encounter to make it easier, but that doesn't mean that the dice can't fuck you or that you never make the wrong decision, underestimate a threat that with hindsight you could have nullified. Wizards have a high theoretical level of effectiveness, but their practical effectiveness is down to the scenario, whether they happened to prepare for it, the sort of game the GM is running, and a thousand other factors.

I feel like a party of four Fighters could probably win DnD as well. Especially if they all had bows. Bows and horses would be cheating. Sure, there are corner cases that a GM might send at you that can only be defeated by the right spell, but I played level 1-12 as a Warlock with a Cleric, Bard, Fighter and Ranger in my party and I never encountered one. Wizards are great for theorycrafting, but in the wild they can get anticlimaxed. Which is appropriate, given that they're themed around being bookworms.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

if your party was entirely wizards your DM would just start throwing creatures and enemies with anti-magic capabilities at you
And don't go "Aw boo boo the DM is making unrealistic scenarios to kill the party" yeah no shit it's his job to provide interesting and challenging encounters
It's worlds easier designing encounters for martials because you know they're going to either be shooting and running away or going hack and slash at melee range

Spamalot
Spamalot

So how does one play as a hexblade?

iluvmen
iluvmen

Why you get a muscle wizard in the mixed wizard party.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Mine too. Disgusting elven trannies

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Dwarf fort just made me hate nature and elves.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

The land of Barovia resides in its own demiplane, isolated from all other planes, including the Material Plane. No spell-not even wish-allows one to escape from Strahd's domain.
bullshit

5mileys
5mileys

Yeah but that's not really a 'martials can do things' situation. Generally that's talking about things they can actively choose do and options they have available, not how many hit points they have.

askme
askme

Wizards cucked again.

iluvmen
iluvmen

If a warlock can draw power from a GOO and the GOO explicitly does not need to be aware of it, then theoretically couldn't a Hexblade warlock draw power from a nonsentient magic weapon of great power? Like, fuse a magic greatsword to their soul, and as they gain levels the magic sword grows in power or something.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

multiclass with sorcerer and don't take a long rest until you start dying of exhaustion

also pact weapon smite

Playboyize
Playboyize

So you can't pocket verse in strahds domain?

Snarelure
Snarelure

The Demiplane of Dread has always been like that. Getting out of Ravenloft is kinda fucking bullshit hard and generally requires your writer to bitch at TSR until they get tired of dealing with you and send the character back.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

I'm not much of a person to multi class. Does hexblade make pact of blade worth it for once.

Evilember
Evilember

Be edgy. Be a bounty hunter from a guild of bounty hunters. Drink blood. Carry a katana instead of a longsword. Work for Raven Queen but hide it from the party for reasons. State that your goal in life is a challenging fight.
Do not under any circumstances get Eldrich Blast.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Tanking a hit better than a piece of wet paper is a thing that someone can do. Just not a level 1 wizard.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

What's this, NWN2?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

elven trannies
what
Magic that
summons creatures or objects from other planes func
tions normally in Barovia, as does magic that involves
an extradimensional space. Any spells cast within such
an extradimensional space (such as that created by Mordenkainen's magnificent mansion) are subject to the same restrictions as magic cast in Barovia.
eldritch blast is better if you're not burning spell slots for smite

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

I mean, Shield exists. Wizards can take a hit pretty well if they are prepared for it.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

theoretically couldn't a Hexblade warlock draw power from a nonsentient magic weapon of great power?
it explicitly says that hexblades get their power from weapons created by the raven queen tho, right

iluvmen
iluvmen

GOOlock's patron wants him to get an artifact. Hexblade's patron(RQ) wants that artifact destroyed. Is DM baiting us into pvp? And what do I do as a cleric?
They speak to their patrons freely, mind you, I get no feedback whatsoever.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

So they can get what? 15 AC for 2 rounds?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Take the artifact to your church and never tell them what happened to it.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Twincest elf from last thread, tell me you went for it, please

Twincest is the greatest form of love

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Evilember
Evilember

the hexblade is obviously more powerful so his wishes should be followed

if one of them is a coffeelock however then side with that guy

SniperGod
SniperGod

That sounds reasonable. If the situation presents itself.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Shield stacks on top of Mage Armor, which doesn't take concentration.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

This ain't /h/

DeathDog
DeathDog

Incest is disgusting but so is all physical and emotional connection.

Nojokur
Nojokur

They can get the same as chain if they've dex 12 (Not exactly unlikely). Or 19 if the had mage armour up already, knocking the first level fighter out of the park as he's not going to be able to afford plate about then.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

So for one round you got more armor than a fighter and after that you got 13 + whatever you put into dex. Still not really as good as a fighter, plus now you are down to cantrips for the rest of the fight and cant block the next hit that gets through your armor.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

He Misty steps out of my grapple right on top of his focus, picks it up and casts a cantrip at me/dashes to create distance
Does he even have to? Most casters carry multiple arcane foci/component pouches just in case.

farquit
farquit

Mage Armor sounds like the best thing to pick up with MI for many classes.

cum2soon
cum2soon

still not really as good as a fighter
i guess rogues/ bards/ warlocks/ all classes that wear medium armour aren't viable now

Methnerd
Methnerd

but so is all physical and emotional connection
Except when it's toward your twin sister.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

12 dex only gets you 14 AC while chain mail gets you 16.
They are certainly worse at taking hits

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Or I can be a lizardfolk barbarian and just have 19 AC naturally from using a +1 AC shield with no extra effort on my part

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Can you please fuck off with your Critical Role discussions?

Nojokur
Nojokur

Also taking into account you have to have mage armor already cast which you may not get the chance to depending on initiative. Certainly you could have cast it before any fights happened but now you are down to just one spell slot and who knows what other bullshit you'll have to run into?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

It's an NPC caster so you don't tend to apply the same levels of prep as player casters who are actively thinking about such things.

Seriously if I successfully separated an npc caster from his focus/components, forgoing damage in order to do so and my DM described him pulling a second one out of his coat I would be a little upset.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

What

happy_sad
happy_sad

How did you work that out just out of interest? I was actually thinking of making a lizardfolk character.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

12 dex only gets you 14 AC while chain mail gets you 16.

What? Shield spell is +5 as a reaction, 12 dex is +1. 16.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Martials being tough was never the question. It was that it was somehow something that spellcasters can't do (Since it was about the relative width of capability of martials and spellcasters)

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

And it shows.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Ah I thought you were talking about getting the same as chain from mage armor. Still wasting a spell to have the equivalent of what a fighter has on all the time doesnt seem like a good trade and its only something you can pull off twice at most. Its more of a desperation move than anything.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Yeah but this was talking about a single round, specific situation that was an example of 'Something fighters can do that spellcasters can't'.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

if your party was entirely wizards your DM would just start throwing creatures and enemies with anti-magic capabilities at you
Why is it that it's only shitty to throw hard counters against the party when the party are mages? Like try being a martial going up against ghosts and undead for several sessions and tell me how much fun that shit is to deal with after a point.

Also, it's moot anyways, because Clerics, Druids, Bards, Paladins, Rangers, and Warlocks already have enough abilities to make them effective gishes as a result of level progression.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Well then you just say martials can take hits consistently without having to blow all their abilities on it.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Really? I can only think of the Monk here, assuming the Monk's Wisdom is lower than 16.

If you have light armor proficiency then you're getting a +1 or +2 to AC at low level (and you're playing a character who isn't really about taking hits, so there are better spells). If you don't have light armor proficiency, you either have something better or you're a caster that already gets Mage Armor. Or, again, you're a Monk.

OK, if you wanted to play a non-Dragon Sorcerer and you didn't want to waste a Spells Known on a spell you cast once a day then it'd be a good choice there as well. A weird one, but potentially a good one.

hairygrape
hairygrape

So with Lizardfolk they get +2 right, and barbarians get Con+Dex to AC. So if we focus on con and dex. So with the normal stats you can have something like 18 con and 16 dex, granted that'll only bring you too 17 AC and a shield will bring that to 18 AC. When I was thinking of the numbers in my head without looking at the book I came to 19, so that was wrong but 18 AC is easily attainable as a lizardfolk barbarian

Firespawn
Firespawn

Oops, meant to link

Flameblow
Flameblow

Indeed I was looking at the monk and Storm Sorc

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Until the mage casts something like Fly or Wind Wall and become outright immune to melee/ranged respectively.

Immunity>Miss Chance>Resistance>AC>HP

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Hmm. I wonder if it would be too cheezy to multiclass into a barb from a cleric for dat sweet sweet AC.

Nojokur
Nojokur

I know wizards are OP but I dont think they get any of those at level 1 mate.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

why a barbarian, scaly skin doesn't stack with barbarian natural ac

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

How viable is a wizard in heavy plate armour?
mountain dwarf for easy 15 str and medium armour proficiency
15/8/17/14/12/10
level 4 take heavy armour proficiency and increase constitution by 1

You're 1 spellcasting modifier behind up to level 4, and 2 behind until level 12+. Is that a good trade for AC of 18?

viagrandad
viagrandad

It looks like you just ignore scaly skin and take them for the +2 CON.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Is there a writeup of this yet?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

oh yah I forgot natural AC, and is that true, it would be weird if it doesn't I would think

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

This is proof that CR is truly the greatest form of art.
Even when someone refers to something that has nothing to do with CR, someone else manages to find a link to it.

The cast of Critical Role, led by the magnificent Matt Mercer, has accomplished the impossible: to display what it is to be human.
Taking us by the hand through 115 riveting episodes, this roller-coaster of emotions is both comedy and tragedy, both act and dance, both poetry and music.

Open your heart to the beauty you're offered and you shall bathe in bliss for a lifetime.

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Methnerd
Methnerd

Well Fighters aren't exactly starting off with full plate and action surge either. What's your point?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

why not just play a dwarf then and get +2 str instead of a wisdom bonus

can't you just buy a shield instead of your starting gear

and he literally just replied to me saying that's not what he intended
scaly skin is literally just another form of natural ac, you can use either or

Snarelure
Snarelure

It'd be fantastic if it was able to be used with armor. Sadly, it can't, so a heavy armor wearer can't rely on it and would need to take something else.

SniperGod
SniperGod

At low levels fighters are the glue that holds a party together
No, that'd be the Cleric/Bard/Ranger/etc. who can actually heal, give support, and go into melee at a moment's notice.

SniperWish
SniperWish

I take offense to that art, they all look girly and weak.

WebTool
WebTool

what even is this as someone who doesn't know and doesn't really care

is there any powergaming

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

They're level 1. You can tell because wossname the Goliath doesn't have a beard.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Were you even reading what we were saying? The point was that wizards at level 1 cant take a hit compared to fighters at level 1. They can block maybe one or two shots but that also gimps them while a fighter wearing chain mail can take hits better just standing there.

lrn 2 read.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Are you telling me that twins never fucked in the entire 115 episodes? Fucking dropped.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

is there any powergaming
Yes, because the true heart of powergaming is not building an effective character but getting the GM to give a shit about your character.

If you were in my game playing a minmaxed Barbarian you'd be sort of good. If you were playing a minmaxed Fighter/Wizard then the entire campaign would turn into the Amazing Adventures of user's PC and friends.

(Side note, this is why I never write any NPCs that have magic and use a sword. I don't trust myself. GMPCs are a slippery slope.)

w8t4u
w8t4u

So you're saying there's not a single non-player magic-user in your whole world? Not a single wizard to learn from, no druids protecting forests? No paladins?

Emberburn
Emberburn

The point was that wizards at level 1 cant take a hit compared to fighters at level 1.
Everyone (except maybe Barbarian) can only survive maybe 2-3 hits max before they go into the negatives. A random crit will more than likely kill you dead, or at least shave off more than half your health in one sitting.
It's why most people generally start you off at Level 3, so you all start off with your sub-class and can survive something more substantial than a stiff breeze.

Evilember
Evilember

Actually now that I look at it how are you getting 18 CON and 16 DEX at level 1?

Flameblow
Flameblow

Let me rephrase.

Magic users are OK. Characters that can use a sword are OK. Characters that can do both? No no no, can't trust myself not to accidentally make them the main character.

RavySnake
RavySnake

that have magic and use a sword
read better user

StonedTime
StonedTime

Only cowards start above level 1.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

That still means you have no Paladin NPCs, doesn't it? Or do you have them use axes instead?

MPmaster
MPmaster

Why is it that it's only shitty to throw hard counters against the party when the party are mages?
It's not, but only Wizardfags complain since they think the game is just there for the DM and players to fellate the Wizard

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Only idiots start above level 1.
FTFY; it's moot anyways, you level up so fast that you'll end up being Level 3 by the end of the third session if the DM throws the recommended amount of combat at you.

FastChef
FastChef

But Bradley has incredibly high Perception. That's literally his superpower.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

People complain because shit like AMF is supposed to be a 6th level spell, but it keeps cropping up at every waking turn. If people started throwing rust monsters and ghosts at martials, they'd complain just as loudly and you'd never hear the end of it.

Inmate
Inmate

I mean I said it before but if a few gnolls ambushed an all wizard party they'd be in for some shit. Especially if it was level 1 like we were saying earlier.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Why do you have 20 Dex at level 3?

SniperWish
SniperWish

rolling for stats with a +2 dex racial from tabaxi

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Tried multiclassing fighter 1/ wizard X. Was terribly boring, I felt like I was playing a statsheet and not a character.
Retired the character and the GM made them into a side-boss. Got more enjoyment out of fighting them than playing them I guess

StonedTime
StonedTime

Hammers, my dude. Can't let a Paladin use a sword or he'll become the main character and my only way out will be to anti-Paladin him and have the party kill him. Or her. Thinking of you, Aribeth, for the first time in 15 years you utterly forgettable character.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Christ I hate rolling for stats

FastChef
FastChef

meh, I like it, especially when DM sets up a bottom and top bar for total number your stats can be due to rolling

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Only retarded munchin minmaxer grognards multi-class. I'm specifically talking about a straight wizard in plate armour.

Supergrass
Supergrass

Cranky cause you rolled low arent you

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Need_TLC
Need_TLC

I think that only applies when it's an elf with a sword, not when they have swords in general.

askme
askme

So I was thinking of making a lizardfolk, and maybe I'm looking at this wrong

But I'm considering Ranger, Rogue, Monk, Barbarian or maaaaaybe fighter. But looking at the natural armor for lizardfolk and the AC bonus monks and barbarians, does the natural armor and unarmored defense stack? Cause that could affect my decision alot

Techpill
Techpill

The anime Overlord may also have some influence over my decision but let's not worry about that

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

what were their rules?

Skullbone
Skullbone

No.

WebTool
WebTool

Sounds about right, he was the second character I ever rolled up, the GM even suggested the multiclass not like it matters.
Either way, I love roleplaying my level 11 barbarian right now it's fun

eGremlin
eGremlin

14 str, 16 wis Zeal Cleric just hit lvl 4. Do I go for more Wis, a feat? Or maybe up Str to get access to plate?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Any character can be fun, it's what you make of them.

FastChef
FastChef

tfw I never get to play a crocodile monk with one giant arm that can block swords
Also you should probably read the LN if you like the anime.

Lunatick
Lunatick

does the natural armor and unarmored defense stack?
no
in the current game I'm in there weren't any, but of you got super shit stats you were allowed to reroll
in another one the bars were 75 for low and 95 for high, and the order of checking if you fit was
first check if 4d6 drop lowest is above lowest bar
if not, see if the rolls without drops are above bottom bar, under top bar and no stat starts over 18
if no, then reroll

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

damn, that kinda sucks
I've been thinking about that honestly, there are several LN's I should honestly read like Horizon in the Middle of Nowhere

girlDog
girlDog

What's a good way to combine rolling and point buy?

viagrandad
viagrandad

You can find the overlord LN translated up to date if you go to skythewood and do a bit of poking around.

askme
askme

I dno man, one of my players is real big on the storytelling, but he just doesn't want to be useless.
He went Fighter/Bard, because his dad put him in military school, but he's always wanted to play music. Now that he's returned to his home province after travelling the known world, his father is dead and every time he levels he's torn between respecting his fathers wishes and what he actually enjoys the most.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Standard array?

Skullbone
Skullbone

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Evilember
Evilember

thinking of trying out dnd, how long are sessions usually? also is there a Veeky Forums discord for finding games?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

I was more thinking that you roll for your buy pool? This might be dumb

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Anything ambushing any Level 1 party is bad, because everyone at Level 1 dies to a stiff breeze and, healing is scarce, and one errant crit can chump your health in one move or OHKO your ass outright if you're low enough on health.
Even 16+ AC isn't going to help you when they get advantage on the surprise attack roll on top of everything else.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

between 2-8 hours, depending on your group.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

I'll be sure to keep that in mind since the anime is like one episode from finishing this season

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

regular point buy with 2d6 rolled for base, the point cost is increase above base rather than for a stat, eg. with a base of 10 bumping it to 15 will cost the same as bumping an 8 to 13

Illusionz
Illusionz

You should've gone Fighter 2/Wizard X for Action Surge.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

using shitcord
Please kys yourself.

cum2soon
cum2soon

also is there a Veeky Forums discord for finding games?
ask in gamefinder thread

massdebater
massdebater

people like this are allowed to post here

UGH. I forgot how toxic Veeky Forums culture is.

Inmate
Inmate

Sure but it felt a bit too video gamey desu senpai.
Easier to create a character when I'm thinking more about their background and personality and less about stat padding and build progression

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Sure but it felt a bit too video gamey desu senpai.

What makes something 'video gamey'? Warrior mages/gishes have been a D&D staple for a long, long time.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

what's wrong with discord? do sessions not use voice? do you just type out what you do?
alright, thanks

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Easier to create a character when I'm thinking more about their background and personality
Great, so how about that heavily clad dwarven wizard that's paranoid and obsessive over his magical secrets?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

That causes even more instances of neutered characters.
Do you let people choose where they put their rolls for stats?

JunkTop
JunkTop

Rolled 5, 2, 4, 3, 1, 4, 4, 5, 2, 5, 4, 4, 2, 6, 2, 1, 6, 6, 4, 6, 4, 5, 6, 6 = 97 (24d6)

What about the Matt Colville method? (He probably didn't invent it, but I've never seen anyone mention it who didn't get it from his videos.)

You roll (4-1)d6 in order, and you MUST reroll until you get at least two 15s. All the guaranteed competence of point buy, combined with the uncertainty of not knowing where your competence is going to be. (Which is something a lot of rolling methods don't deliver on, since your Wizard will want to put his best stat into INT and worst into STR whatever you roll.) Good for veterans who can't decide what to play this time and new beginners who don't know what the options even are and want to get to the bit where they roll dice and do things.

Bad when you know you want to play a specific concept. Also bad when you roll high Strength and low Constitution. What do you even do with that combination? (Also bad if you aren't using a dice roller, because you can end up rolling a good few times before you get something you can keep.)

whereismyname
whereismyname

what's wrong with discord?
Aside from it being a honeypot of a botnet? Well, you tell me, you're the one who uses that shit.

Supergrass
Supergrass

So 2d6 for each stat and then point buy from there instead of starting at 8?

Booteefool
Booteefool

Just ignore the misogyny, my Zir-adie

farquit
farquit

Zir-adie
who?

Bidwell
Bidwell

Running sunless citadels with a bunch of newbies, they're about to reach calcryx: what are some good ideas to make the adventure funnier?
Calcryx is supposedly happy she found a new lair where she's not ruled over by kobolds, and the easiest approach a party could have is to bring her back by force, so what could she say to convince them doing something else?

likme
likme

honeypot of a botnet
what does that even mean?

Techpill
Techpill

12, 13, 13, 10, 18, 17
Pretty top tier stats.

Snarelure
Snarelure

12, 13, 13, 10, 18, 17

WELP

But not a bad example, because I've never played a Cleric and never even considered playing a Cleric who wasn't an in-your-face melee sort of Cleric. I could also play a Sorcerer, of course. The possibilities.

RumChicken
RumChicken

do sessions not use voice?
I don't want people to overhear me ERPing.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

It's a honeypot for US authorities and a botnet for discord.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Wouldn't that make an adequate Druid?

iluvmen
iluvmen

Any class that uses wisdom or charisma would work.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Why not join in? Drop dice+24d6 in the options section. Although do keep contributing to the conversations while you're doing it, otherwise we'll turn into a /b/-tier thread with dice rolls instead of dubs.

Elven god of social inclusion and overcomplicated pronouns.

Another archetype I've never actually tried. I'm that guy who won't let himself run a swordmage NPC. You can probably guess what I go for when I'm a player.

Evilember
Evilember

Bad explanation I guess, first character I ever played was a dwarf pally serving moradin.
Maybe I don't want to step on other PCs toes? idk
Oh I've played a dwarven warlock who took the healer feat. That was in PotA, hard campaign that was until one of our all caster lineup died to reroll as a fighter. Then I basically tag-teamed with him to patch him up post-combat while having a blast, great fun.
Not really sure why martials get so much hate here, all of the campaigns I've been in start from level 1 and only ever get to around level 10 where they still manage to kick ass. The wizards and sorcerors in the party aren't that much different compared to them neither.
What gives?

RumChicken
RumChicken

because the US authorities care so much about people playing dnd on discord, very illegal activity that is

Playboyize
Playboyize

user, the US Government has made thousands of raids based on Veeky Forums posts.
If you want to complain about honeypots, go ahead, but doing so one something that qualifies as a honeypot by your apparent definition isn't going to help your case.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Immortality - yes, with clone/wish spells. Godhood - depends on your game master, essentially level 10-20 would be a fine god for a kinda cult of personality, especially with magic.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

It's not because there's a risk of being partyvanned, it's because of principle. Nobody has any business to snoop on your communications, regardless of who they are and what they plan to do with the information. Use a better service.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

dnd4.wikia.com/wiki/Shaman

That feel when the shamnmey will never be thing this ed at the fucking pace they release content.

likme
likme

Immortality - yes, with clone/wish spells.
Which reminds me, why the hell would anyone attempt the rituals to turn themselves into liches when they could just keep casting clones through wish and never have to worry about aging again? On top of that, it's safer too, since you can have multiple clones up and hidden, whereas your phylactery can only exist in a single location.

Emberburn
Emberburn

Good

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

We only need mystics
We need Int save throws to actually be a thing

whereismyname
whereismyname

I'm specifically talking about a straight wizard in plate armour.
you don't get shields right

seems weak

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

It's still 18 AC though. I can see NPC wizards in full plate as guards of the Guild of Mages or something.
The armor is actually Animated Armor

King_Martha
King_Martha

does the natural armor and unarmored defense stack?
i don't see how anyone would even think this, they're two different armour formulas
you can wear plate already, you're just slow as shit

farquit
farquit

get feeblemind'd boi

5mileys
5mileys

True, you don't get shields, but they don't work that well with spellcasting to begin with.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Yeah, and i'm m25 already. And our DM is scale-retarded. So I can't fucking reach anything ever. I thought about using a crossbow for double-tapping, but spiritual weapon is better anyway.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

That’s how it is already, but on a larger scale.

That is, of course, just a lore-friendly way of ignoring the real reason why there’s no many subraces of elves: people want to be pretty and literally perfect, so elves become popular.

Flameblow
Flameblow

Feeblemind
against a mystic
Well, good luck trying to get past 1d20, proficiency, int mod, and +1-7 to the roll as a reaction (intellect fortress)

StonedTime
StonedTime

a valor college bard just seems better, or that artificer wizard with free studded armour

even just getting a +5 modifier with dex and mage armour would be 18 and you'd also have a relative stat/ race
you only need one hand to do somantic and material though right

Illusionz
Illusionz

you only need one hand to do somantic and material though right
Technically only somatic, since you can have your shield as a focus. I imagine most wizards will want a free hand for some kind of a magical item though, and switching hands back and forth sounds like a hassle.

Booteefool
Booteefool

If your party level is high enough to have access to Wish Strahd will probably let you out on his own volition anyway. It's not fun for him to be stomped by four Level 17 Adventurers either.

takes2long
takes2long

Just get war magic and shield spell and you are unkillable

Bidwell
Bidwell

since you can have your shield as a focus
i thought that was only divine focuses

foci

whatever
I imagine most wizards will want a free hand for some kind of a magical item though
hexblades and bards sound like they do fine
Strahd will probably let you out on his own volition anyway.
more like he'll pretend to let you out and then strand you in the mists

massdebater
massdebater

Remember to thank your DMs!

idontknow
idontknow

Corza 'Snakewrangler' Liazeros was part of a nomadic-goliath tribe that wandered the desert. She was not content with not knowing where goliaths descend from and decided to leave her clan through exile, one of the worst fates for a goliath. She struck out without her parents approval and was captured in the desert where she was rescued by her closest friend C Stomachrip. She now owes her a life debt and embarks on quests with her.

Emberfire
Emberfire

I just want to be Garo

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Need_TLC
Need_TLC

I'm thinking of making a cleric but what cantrips should I go for? So far I'm thinking toll the dead, thaumaturgy and either guidance or mending.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

i thought that was only divine focuses
I don't see anything that would prevent a shield to be used as an arcane focus. Foci is correct.

hexblades and bards sound like they do fine
Sword bards specifically get their melee weapon as a focus, and improved pact of the blade lets Hexblades do the same. If they don't have those features, they can only cast spells with material and somatic components when their hands are full if the DM isn't paying attention.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

What races are most likely to have kobold slaves?

TechHater
TechHater

I'm thinking of making a cleric but what cantrips should I go for?
the sacred flame thing obviously
An arca n e focu s is a specia l item —
an orb, a crystal, a rod, a specia lly con stru cted staff,
a wan d-like length of w ood, or som e sim ilar item —
design ed to ch a n n el the pow er of arcan e spells.

A cleric or paladin can u se a holy
sym bol as a spellca stin g focu s, as descr ibed in chapter
10. To u se the sym bol in this way, the caster m ust h old it
in hand, wea r it visibly, or bea r it on a shield.

the formatting sucks

the normal rules are that you have to hold it in your hand, only paladins and cletrics get to stick their focus on their shield
Sword bards specifically get their melee weapon as a focus, and improved pact of the blade lets Hexblades do the same.
i meant college of valour bards, didn't know about hexblades

massdebater
massdebater

Those are only examples of what they can be. Ultimately, DMs get to rule whether shield as arcane focus is legitimate, but there's nothing in the rules straight up preventing it.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Ultimately, DMs get to rule
ok but RAW only divine casters explicitly get to use shields as focuses for divine magic

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

If the focus can be a staff, I can't imagine why it couldn't be a shield. Again, nothing prevents it, but the DM can say no.

viagrandad
viagrandad

If the focus can be a staff, I can't imagine why it couldn't be a shield.
...because it explicitly says an arcane focus can be a staff in the PHB

it doesn't even say quarterstaff, it says staff so i wouldn't let you use it as a quarterstaff

askme
askme

*calls a deception roll from u*

massdebater
massdebater

If that focus is a holy symbol, it's allowed per RAW. DM can ban certain sections of the rules, of course.

SniperGod
SniperGod

It also says "or a similar item". There's nothing preventing it.
it doesn't even say quarterstaff, it says staff so i wouldn't let you use it as a quarterstaff
A quarterstaff (plural quarterstaffs or quarterstaves), also short staff or simply staff is a traditional European pole weapon, which was especially prominent in England during the Early Modern period.
'Staff' also means quarterstaff.

We're talking about arcane foci.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Holy symbol is technically classified as a spellcasting focus though.

WebTool
WebTool

or a similar item
that's clearly a fluff thing, like you can use an object similar to a staff or a crystal orb
A quarterstaff (plural quarterstaffs or quarterstaves), also short staff or simply staff is a traditional European pole weapon, which was especially prominent in England during the Early Modern period.
this is a wikipedia definition right

staff means a walking stick, something spindly or with an orb at the top
divine foci can only be used for divine spells

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

divine foci can only be used for divine spells
Is that for real a rule?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Fuck you I liked my shaman from 4th.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

that's clearly a fluff thing, like you can use an object similar to a staff or a crystal orb
Why not a shield?
staff means a walking stick, something spindly or with an orb at the top
3.
a long stick used as a support when walking or climbing or as a weapon.
"a shepherd's staff"
or as a weapon.
Stop.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

I have a +9 to deception(my GM let's us use the expertise feats from UA)

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

For fuck's sake.
Holy symbol is a spellcasting focus. Not every spellcasting focus is a holy symbol. Holy symbol works on divine spells. Other foci work on other spells. Holy Symbol can be a shield RAW. We can assume other foci can be shields RAI, but not RAW.

viagrandad
viagrandad

I'll cast guidance on him for the roll
Fucking cleric I swear I'll leap from the chair and sunder the blank look off your face you guidance-turret

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

I am the DM

RavySnake
RavySnake

Is that for real a rule?
yes

Each spell you know and prepare is associated with one of your classes, and you use the spellcasting ability of that class when you cast the spell. Similarly, a spellcasting focus, such as a holy symbol, can be used only for the spells from the class associated with that focus.

rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/103249/can-i-craft-an-arcane-focus-shield
stop using wikipedia to argue about d&d
Holy symbol is a spellcasting focus. Not every spellcasting focus is a holy symbol. Holy symbol works on divine spells. Other foci work on other spells.
what the fuck does this have to do with what i said
We can assume other foci can be shields RAI,
surely someone has asked crawford this at one point, and there is an explicit distinction made between different classes of foci anyway
but not RAW.
yes

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

stop using wikipedia to argue about d&d
Are you trolling or legitimately retarded? That definition is from Oxford dictionary.

Playboyize
Playboyize

So we're going to run Horde of the Dragon Queen for our next adventure and I cant decide what class my next character should be. I know I am going to be a Genasi regardless and I have narrowed down my class choice to either Wizard, Bard, or Rogue. Which class would you guys suggest and which subsequent subclass?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Are you trolling or legitimately retarded? That definition is from Oxford dictionary.
oh it's a different kind of online dictionary, how retarded of me

stop using the dictionary to argue about d&d jargon

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

why would you pick any of those at first level if you're going to multiclass

go coffeelock

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

How do you combat exhaustion as a coffelock?

Illusionz
Illusionz

stop using the dictionary to argue about d&d jargon
Once D&D rulebooks start using some language that isn't English, you might have a point.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

I don't plan on multiclassing, sorry should have specified that by subclass I meant a specific school in that class.

WebTool
WebTool

you pass the first few constitution checks and suffer the first few levels of exhaustion?

it isn't infinite but it's 4-6 days
i only know core rulebook subclasses for those classes
bard-valor
rogue-assassin
wizard-abjuration/ evocation
using the dictionary to argue about technical jargon is stupid in any context

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

I limit out of combat Guidance casts to 1 per 5 minutes

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

using the dictionary to argue about technical jargon is stupid in any context
Yes, I could very much say the same to you. Staffs are quarterstaffs.

massdebater
massdebater

i'm not using the dictionary to argue over jargon, i'm using jargon to argue over jargon

TreeEater
TreeEater

Mkay, I might just roll with a Wizard then since I like to control the flow of combat. If I went rogue I would go mastermind simply because they can give the help action as a bonus action which seems pretty great.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

So, how does one get around magical resistance/advantage on saving throws as a Draconic Sorcerer?
Me and our party's paladin currently have a less than friendly relationship that I fear will turn to blows eventually. I'm playing neutral evil and he's lawful stupid.
The main problem is that Oath of ancients paladins get resistance to spell damage at level 7(Which is bullshit imo).
How do I fight that as a Draconic Sorcerer?

Emberburn
Emberburn

No, you're just pulling arguments out of your ass. Staves are quarterstaves in the book. Read the fucking DMG.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Staves are quarterstaves in the book.

At the DM ’s option,
a character proficient with a weapon ca n u se a sim ilar
object as if it w ere that wea pon and u se his or her
proficien cy bon u s.

it is at best an optional rule

Skullbone
Skullbone

Not what I was referring to. Can you fuck off already?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

So, my players are looking for a lost dwarven city. To open the city's great doors, they need to find a descendant of the Dwarf king. They're currently investigating a powerful Dwarf merchant who claims the royal last name (let's call him Bob). Bob appears to be a small-time player in the spice business, but he's actually the real owner of the biggest weapon/armor manufacturing company this side of the coast. He doesn't want the lost city to be discovered, because the great dwarven forge it contains would put him out of business.

Now, originally I wanted Bob to be a pretender with forged evidence, controlling the city. But I'm thinking of including a twist: Bob IS actually a legitimate heir. Bob's brother wanted to reclaim the lost city and wouldn't back down. To save his business, Bob conspired to wipe his brother's memories, throw him out on the streets, and replace him with a double. I think it'd be pretty fun if the party acquired a magic item to detect dwarven heirs, and it pinged both their amnesiac hobo friend AND the suspicious spice merchant.

But... if Bob t is a real heir, he is entitled to royal control of the great forge, isn't he? I need a reason for why Bob can't have it, claim it, be eligible for it, or use it directly or indirectly.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

How gimped would I be if I didnt take sacred flame?

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

What if hes the real heir but he doesnt know it himself and hes just been pretending this whole time?

massdebater
massdebater

Do you also ban Lizardfolk from being Barbarians, since they lack any kind of emotional reaction and cannot rage?

Inmate
Inmate

neutral evil
There's your problem

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Not what I was referring to.
i don't care about your faggot rule, a tsave is not a staff

that was just me trying to reach you half-way

and don't get bitchy when you're the one who replied to me lol, you fuck off
depends on if you're going to use weapons or cantrips for damage, obviously

Techpill
Techpill

Bob's brother is older than him and therefore by divine right first in line for the forge

SniperGod
SniperGod

Depends on whether you've got decent weapon attacks. Fundamentally, you want a "fuck it, I just deal some damage this round" option no matter what character you're playing. If you don't have Sacred Flame or Toll the Dead (or Word of Radiance if you want to go melee), and you don't have a weapon you can get some use out of, then you're not going to be able to contribute to damage in basic fights. That gets dull.

TechHater
TechHater

tsave
Inventing words now?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

I was going to take toll the dead and also maybe shillelagh or something.

Supergrass
Supergrass

Hey, it came with a good quest and a character that a lot of fun to play.

Booteefool
Booteefool

Are you me? This makes Elves a lot less static imo and you can have an early Proto-Elf childhood stage where they're exceedingly vulnerable. Also great for explaining away PC Drows inate Evil or culture shock.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

shillelagh
On a Cleric?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

oh my god fuck offffffffffffffff
shillelagh
clerics can take that? you might as well just use a normal weapon if you're getting heavy armour

WebTool
WebTool

Going nature domain and being a crazy innawoods priest guy hopefully. Thats also kind of why I didnt want to just drop fire on things. Not that naturey.

FastChef
FastChef

New thread up!
veekyforums.com/thread/58785809/games
veekyforums.com/thread/58785809/games
veekyforums.com/thread/58785809/games

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

No one?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

shillelagh
Can't be used on a staff, actually. Since the spell only mentions quarterstaves and clubs, and a 'staff' is clearly different from a 'quarterstaff'.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Though if anyone else has a better idea for a druid cantrip I can take I'm all ears. I just liked the idea of hitting things with my spirit stick.

askme
askme

i wasn't fucking talking to you

fuck off
why not just play a druid

Techpill
Techpill

Neck yourself

Snarelure
Snarelure

I dont want to transform and shit. Also I wanted to actually be a priest.

Emberfire
Emberfire

i wasn't fucking talking to you
You didn't clearly specify that you weren't.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Man, this is semantics on a whole new level, they're all wooden sticks for goodness sake.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

THANK YOU.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Were waiting all this time just to complain?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Nonbait thread
veekyforums.com/thread/58785939/games
veekyforums.com/thread/58785939/games
veekyforums.com/thread/58785939/games

takes2long
takes2long

it was a reply to a different person as you could see with the fucking numbers on top of it
a staff is at best an improvised weapon you can apply a proficiency bonus to

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

No just getting tired of this constant merry go round of "ebin trolling, fuck the autists XD". Also tired of having to make the thread myself or be stuck with it.

King_Martha
King_Martha

a staff is at best an improvised weapon you can apply a proficiency bonus to
It's a fucking stick, calm the fuck down man. You'd have to be an autist to split hairs to this much of a degree, especially when it's the difference between wooden sticks of varying lengths and shit.
I mean for fuck's sake, you could literally pick up a particularly thick branch from the woods and make a club if you wanted to, but somehow a staff doesn't count?

Firespawn
Firespawn

Fire Genasi Wizard
You know you want that

A rogue is also a very good option
The produce flame and burning hands free spells are quite handy

Ranger air genasi is broken tho

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Hang on, I think I've got this. Let's call the other guy Dave. Bob and Dave are both heirs, but they're unrelated. They grow up to be best friends through sheer chance (I can probably shoehorn a cryptic proverb about forge-heirs being drawn to each other). They started a business and Bob turned to shady practices behind Dave's back, or maybe it was the other way around. They had a fallout and Bob kicked Dave out of the company. Dave then found out about his royal blood by accident, thanks to a local diviner. Bob found out. Out of anger, he had the diviner assassinated -- he didn't even think to check his own lineage. He didn't have the heart to kill his childhood friend, so he settled for the memory wipe. The forge belongs to whoever is first to claim it, so once the cat's out of the bag, it'll be a frantic race to the Mithril doors...
Does that sound like a good twist? Or too convoluted?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

So you decided to wait until AFTER someone had already made a thread to make your own...using an older picture from a general that died days ago?
It's the same primer as last time and the board stats has no marginal difference either (see pic related from the previous general).

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lostmypassword
lostmypassword

it explicitly says it has to be something you can use as a weapon
I mean for fuck's sake, you could literally pick up a particularly thick branch from the woods and make a club if you wanted to, but somehow a staff doesn't count?
i didn't say you couldn't use a staff that you were using as a quarterstaff but it's an optional rule up to the DM
you could literally pick up a particularly thick branch from the woods and make a club
in that case the branch is already a club

WebTool
WebTool

Each spell you know and prepare is associated with one of your classes, and you use the spellcasting ability of that class when you cast the spell. Similarly, a spellcasting focus, such as a holy symbol, can be used only for the spells from the class associated with that focus.

This cant possibly be right, whats the incentive to use anything other than a component pouch then?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Then Homebrew a Warlock with "Armor of the Golden Knight" as your Patron and balance it around Garo lore

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

it explicitly says it has to be something you can use as a weapon
What prevents me from beating someone to death with a club but not a staff?

idontknow
idontknow

i said you can use a quarterstaff

using a thin fucking walking stick wouldn't work unless the DM lets you

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Wizard who was born to a couple who lived far from civilization, a female archmage who happened to cross father was asked to mentor his boy because he was manifesting signs of magical prowess
The archmage is convinced then take the boy and travel around the land showing him the ropes of magic
One day the archmage disappears, leave a enigmatic message behind, the character then sets out to find answers while doing side jobs to fund his search or find info

whereismyname
whereismyname

No because I'm not a tool and understand basic board etiquette. isn't in the right either since the other was already around.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

It's literally the same fucking thing man. You're basically trying to argue that you can beat a dude to death with a cane, but not a walking stick.
You're splitting so many hairs, you just bisected in atom in twain, calm the 'tism.

SniperWish
SniperWish

No because I'm not a tool and understand basic board etiquette.
The first thread didn't appear until this one was on page 8 though. The other guy was just salty that he was slow on the draw.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

You're basically trying to argue that you can beat a dude to death with a cane
you can't beat a guy to death with a cane

a cane is not a club

You're splitting so many hairs, you just bisected in atom in twain, calm the 'tism.
not letting people use random improvised weapons as clubs is now autism
do you think a twig is a club or something, because that's roughly the weight of a cane, as someone who's actually held one

Emberfire
Emberfire

So a tool who doesn't understand board etiquette? Also I get it, no one complained about this op so fag stick is gonna push the bounds more and more. This constant back and forth is tiresome.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

you can't beat a guy to death with a cane
Not with that attitude you're not. Besides, you can't kill dragons by stabbing its toes either but here we are.
a cane is not a club
Have you never been hit by a sturdy wooden cane before? That shit hurts. Besides, if we're talking about Shillelagh, it doesn't make a difference regardless.

viagrandad
viagrandad

Just hide and report him then. I'm surprised people haven't gotten sick of him already.

Methnerd
Methnerd

If I was one of your players I'd be really, really confused

RumChicken
RumChicken

Besides, you can't kill dragons by stabbing its toes either
Have you never been hit by a sturdy wooden cane before?
most canes aren't sturdy

canes that are used for beatings are flexible and more like whips
Besides, if we're talking about Shillelagh
any druid that wasn't a dick would just carry an actual club on him and not try to use his arcane spellcasting focus as a club

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Actual new thread:
veekyforums.com/thread/58785939/games
veekyforums.com/thread/58785939/games
veekyforums.com/thread/58785939/games

idontknow
idontknow

most canes aren't sturdy
canes that are used for beatings are flexible and more like whips
And what's preventing me from making a cane that can do both?
any druid that wasn't a dick would just carry an actual club on him and not try to use his arcane spellcasting focus as a club
My DM let me turn a quarterstaff into my druidic focus because I made it in an enchanted forest where my character learned how become a druid. It generally doesn't make much of a difference really, because when you look at it from a full picture, a club and an improvised weapon do the exact same damage.

Flameblow
Flameblow

You're right, I am itchin to just sling around some firey destruction.

SniperWish
SniperWish

And what's preventing me from making a cane that can do both?
if you make the cane tough and heavy enough to be used as a club, the dm can let you use it as a club

a cane used for corporal punishment cannot be tough and heavy since it needs to be flexible in order to sting and not break bones
My DM let me turn a quarterstaff into my druidic focus because I made it in an enchanted forest where my character learned how become a druid
well good for you and your DM

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Does anyone want to explain to me why anyone with the Urchin background gets a pet mouse? Why is that a thing? Could it be substituted for other little creatures? Why it like that?

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girlDog
girlDog

if you make the cane tough and heavy enough to be used as a club, the dm can let you use it as a club
That's still semantics though.
a cane used for corporal punishment cannot be tough and heavy since it needs to be flexible in order to sting and not break bones
You say that as if most weapons IRL are particularly tough or heavy to start with.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

That's still semantics though.
no it isn't, "tough and heavy enough to be a club" is a fair measurement
You say that as if most weapons IRL are particularly tough or heavy to start with.
ones used as clubs are

Methnerd
Methnerd

no it isn't, "tough and heavy enough to be a club" is a fair measurement
ones used as clubs are
Clubs are wooden sticks that weigh in at around 2 lbs. (according to the PHB). That's not much of a measurement to judge anything upon, especially when a wooden staff weights 4 lbs.

eGremlin
eGremlin

most canes don't weigh anything like 2lbs
That's not much of a measurement
it's a literal measurement of weight, how is it not much of a measurement

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

most canes don't weigh anything like 2lbs
Yet the ones listed in the wood, the ones listed as simple weapons mind, only weigh in at around 2 lbs. So if "heavy and tough as a club" is the only measurement you have, staffs are more than suitable since they're clearly twice as heavy as a club.

WebTool
WebTool

staffs are more than suitable since they're clearly twice as heavy as a club.
you were talking about canes though

and i said it was up to the DM on the staff thing

Spamalot
Spamalot

Any suggestions on how to make this simpler to digest?

Here's what I need to keep
The great doors + heir subplot
Bob is using the royal name. Whether he's actually a heir or not can be changed.
Bob REALLY doesn't want the lost city to be discovered for whatever reason

Everything else can go, I guess.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

You were also the one going on about how a cane was too light to be used as a club. Hell, the only weapon weapon property that clubs has is being fucking LIGHT!

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

I used Gamefinder thread on Veeky Forums to find my players and we're all having a good time. Today's session was great, even though one of them died

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

isn't this the plot of overlord volume 11
if the cane weighs 2lbs and the DM lets you, use it as a club

most walking canes and punishment canes don't weigh 2lbs

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Rolled 20, 14, 10, 13, 12, 19 = 88 (6d20)

Rollan for a mountain dwarf evoker

viagrandad
viagrandad

I agree for the most part. Many DMs overuse combat. They approach each session with one or more "encounters" planned, e.g. tactical skirmishes that serve no point other than to occupy the players for a while and stall exploration and world interaction. Some groups like combat above all else, sure, and most of the rules deal with it. But I find it much more rewarding to have each fight be a deliberate choice or consequence of the plot that helps progress or conclude narratives, rather than a distraction from the rest of the game.

happy_sad
happy_sad

Nevermind, fuck wizard, I'm going paladin.

FastChef
FastChef

So you agree that staffs can be used a weapon then. Good to know.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

i always said that it was up to the DM to use the improvised weapons rules

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Not having to pump ASIs means you can finally have some leeway to pick interesting and underused, but suboptimal feats.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

That's not how it works fag stick

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

There's nothing preventing it from being used a weapon beyond it not being listed in the weapon section (technically). Even then, most won't be too hard up to make the assumption that staff==quarterstaff out of convenience.

happy_sad
happy_sad

Rolled 12, 1, 10, 13, 12, 7 = 55 (6d20)

Tabaxi thief let's go

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Rolled 14, 9, 11, 9, 11, 14 = 68 (6d20)

Rolling for cripple.

idontknow
idontknow

I know right? Like, can you even, #ohmygod

Skullbone
Skullbone

When the cripple has better stats than the rogue.