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wtf you talking about?
zoom in on elf
Hot damn that's one spicy early-game meatball. And with Llanowar Elves returning for DOM, you could get that out on Turn 2 with a mono-green deck, at least.
I love it, it's going to make mono-green stompy so much stronger in modern too.
you guys didn't see, the elf, it's big boss
slicked back hair
being a bad ass
I get it.
I just wanna talk about the actual card.
How soon, do you think, until "can't be blocked by creatures with power 2 or less" becomes a new keyword? My guess is with the new core set coming in the summer.
ya, guess it's a good card
see it in standard playable
still has to compete for jadelight rangers spot
don't know about modern
My nigga. Mono-green stompy has been my shit since Scars of Mirrodin. I like you.
2 is such a weirdly arbitrary number. I'd prefer the opposite of skulk.
Is that ugly-ass mount supposed to be a kavu, or just some generic ugly-ass beast?
It has 6 legs, it's a Kavu.
Green Stompy isn't really a tier deck for modern, but it's one of the best budget options and this guy is definitely replacing leatherback baloth.
Can kill Tasigur, Zombiefish, a bunch of relevant 5 toughness stuff Baloth would bounce helplessly against
Can't be chumped by all the small-fry utility creatures that clutter up the format
Straight murder with Aspect of Hydra
Oh shit waddup
Homelands Saga card when
Stompyfag reporting in. First we got Ghalta, now this guy. This has been a good few months for us.
Green needs an evergreen evasion ability besides Trample so not too surprised. This one seems to work.
This makes me hard.
nice uncommon 4 at least for 1
homelands wasn't set on dominaria.
time of ice + chisei heart of oceans
okay, let's do this.
Can only tap creatures
If it could tap any permanent it might have been interesting
Get out oldfag
If they planned to do, then they should've done it with this set. Dominaria and the core set are already both done being developed, so having them come out so close together without using the keyword in both would be an odd choice.
The art is sick.
I like it. It's reminiscient of an old medieval tapestry.
Tell me, good Stompyfag, what cards besides Steel Leaf and Ghalta, would you recommend for a mono-green stompy deck in Standard?
Darien and Lovisa
Jaya and Jodah
sweet tapestry art
This is too good. This is the kind of shit I'd actually hang on a wall.
Yeah I'm glad that I built this deck just before the DOM leaks happened.
And with that art I wanna get my playset altered to look even more like Naked Snake.
Just get the fuck out and never come back, you baiting, cynical faggot. Let me have this.
Rhonas, Rhonas' Monument and Resilient Khenra would fit.
Definitely Llanowar Elves
u'd pilot it like r/g monsters, minus the red
4/5 drops with atleast 5 toughness
then add in green removal and combat tricks
Gotcha. Thanks guys
This, I would hang all of them actually.
How do I become as gud as Victor Adame?
Being this easily triggered
Fuck off Jodah
Should I buy into some stompy parts? I think the only expensive ones are Rhonas, Jadelight Ranger, and Carnage Tyrant.
Any digital art program.
Yes, because I'm tired of all of the shit flinging mtg threads that Veeky Forums gets filled with. It's bad enough we get like 3 threads at a time complaining about Jeremy, POC, and SJW bullshit. Don't try and ruin spoiler threads.
hard to tell
rhonas should only be ran as a 2 of at max
jadelight will be in standard as long as dominaria and has yet to be trump as a source of mana fixing yet
carnage tyrant has hexproof, and is in standard, reason enough to get atleast 2
ruin spoiler threads
bruh. Spoiler threads are the basest from of Veeky Forums's magic posting. they used to be the epitome of "Veeky Forums is bad at magic," now they've just morphed into "Veeky Forums hates magic."
I love the comment in the reveal article about this, "For once, yes, it is actually Marit Lage."
cheeky lil' cunt
can't unsee the boner now
i meant this one through
armada wurm's enchantment
Get two dudes tapped
They try to kill it before the bounce
Cryptic Command to counter the kill and tap all their remaining dudes
Stick the frostboner in the fire giney.
Really bringing that tapestry theme.
this plus Hex Parasite or Power Conduit
it's a fucking uncommon
Someone make a deck please.
I don't even know what the fuck is going on there.
It depicts characters and events from Ice Age.
It's the Ice Age saga in a very small nutshell.
So the CCC cycle of creatures are rare. Fuck. I was hoping they'd be uncommon.
This actually looks cool. Too bad it's going to be impossible to see on the actual card.
big boss elf
GGG for one fat motherfucker
I feel rejuvenated.
You watch lots of burgerland digital crap cartoons. Especially those who want to be anime.
Steve Belledin is the goat.
Are people actually nostalgic for Kavu? I thought they were a completely retarded creature type, not to mention unplayable outside two cards (FTK and Titan).
I mean I don't know what happens in Ice Age. I watched the video by themagicmansam on Dominaria but I didn't understand anything.
Holy shit, a white male?
I guess they weren't progressive enough to blackwash the only white block out of 26 they have printed.
birb knight makes me happy
and this is very clearly a pussy. Any lorefag care to explain why?
According to my research dating back to the introduction of vigilance, they will either abandon cbbbcwp2ol as a failed concept along with Skulk; or they keyword the ability at the most annoying time possible, likely in the middle of a block or "plane".
Sexuality was OK back in those days.
It still is, I'm asking if there's some lore motif going on
Basically Urza causes the ice age by blowing everything the fuck up, and during that time people are starting to learn how magic really works. There are some evil wizard doing evil wizard shit, and people are fighting a lot of zombies, and it turns out that there's a giant tentacle monster underneath the frozen water.
The card shows the humans fighting against a zombie army, the two characters are rulers of a part of the world and they merge their empire later on. The two at the bottom are Jaya and Jodah, one is a planeswalker and the other is a master wizard.
Probably not other than the fact that MTG, despite how we have come to know it, was conceived and born on Dominaria.
And not just that, a squirting pussy at that!
Wait, Jaya is Jaya Ballard and Jodah was the descendant of Urza? Still dunno who the other two are or what impact on the sotry had Marit Lage, considering she was frozen.
Jodah is probably the descendant of Mishra, Urza's wife fucked them both and the kid looked more like Mishra than Urza.
Finally a Saga that it's actually worth abusing with blink effects.
Still dunno who the other two are
The armored man is Darien, King of Kjeldor
The axe wielding lady is Lovisa Coldeyes, chief of the Balduvians
Their kids get married, which made New Argive.
IIRC marit lage wasn't a big part of ice age. It was mostly dealing with Lim-Dul the necromancer stirring shit.
Just to clarify what you are implying- Does the saga actually remember what it's previous entity tapped, or will it only ever keep one creature tapped (permanently) at any given time?
Darien is the mythic in M25, right?
Yeah, I know.
Tapping a creature each turn seems fucking big. I'mma buy more Hex Parasites and Power Conduits just to make sure, they're so cheap anyway.
*two creatures, via lore 2, my mistake-
It would not, you definitely don't want to blink that one, you want counter removal shenanigans
Yo what's good my green niggas? What are your favorite green beaters? Primalcrux is a personal favorite of mine
No, he's a rare in A25.
I don't think that it can remember what was previously tapped, but I gotta see the ruling afterwards.
Still, freezing 1 or 2 creatures permanently or just tapping shit like crazy is already good enough.
if you blink it, the saga doesn't keep track of what its previous incarnations tapped, you're basically just turning it into a weirdly paced frost breath by blinking it. if you can diddle the counters without it leaving play you can turn it into a one-sided stasis wannabe.
Polukranos, now and forever
Darien's just a rare in A25, but yeah
Bellowing Tanglewurm won me many a match during the Scars of Mirrodin days. Not exactly the biggest green beater out there, but still quite effective.
Kavu have 6 legs
I like this shit
I don't understand, from the wording it seems to me that even if you remove a counter the creature stays tapped and you can tap another one, it says "for as long as you control" the card, it doesn't say anything about the counters.
haha why r we still here jus 2 sufr haha
You already have reach
Kavu Climber has six legs in its new art, doesn't it? I think a lot of creatures are pretty inconsistent with their depictions
while not all of them did, many were depicted with six legs, especially the larger ones. they were also described as a species evolved for the express purpose of fighting and killing phyrexians, so varied morphology is understandable. WotC seems to want to standardize the 6-legged kavu, I guess to differentiate them from baloths or generic beasts visually. Looking at the vast majority of kavu art there's nothing to suggest that they're all the same thing.
WotC has done much weirder things in the past, such as making deathtouch a keyword in Future Sight. That said, I don't think they want to make this a keyword, but if they were to do it, making the change in the core set would be one of the least strange places they could make it.
If you remove a counter from it every turn, you will tap a creature "forever" every turn after your draw step, which is incredible, but-
The situation in question was that user wanted to "blink" (exile a permanent and then return to to the battlefield) the saga to renew it, which will remove its memory of what it previously tapped before it was blinked.
WotC seems to want to standardize the 6-legged kavu
Are we getting nu-slivers all over again? Sad day.
standardizing an existent design
gross overhaul of visual appearance out of left field
these are not the same thing.
More like the few four-legged depictions were mistakes.
Kavu is a mainly red and green creature type used for cards that depict carnivorous mutant reptiles with long, low heads, square jaws and six legs. Until now, they only have appeared in the Invasion block and Time Spiral block.
full art promo Lelves
I have a mighty need
Oh, you mean the last step.
Does that mean that sacrificing the saga after the third counter goes on the stack and you can prevent that using other cards like Hex Parasite and Power Conduit? I thought you could only do that up until the second counter.
I will never stop hating that.
The rule for Saga's state that "~if the triggered ability of Lore III leaves the stack either by resolving or being countered/etc, the saga is sacrificed as a state based effect".
That means if you remove the counters, it will still be sacrificed, but if you blink it, it won't remember it made that trigger and the saga will begin anew.
My nigi. I used to run a deck that was 4 Primalcrux, 4 Khalini Hydra, 4 Leatherback Balloth and then a bunch of other shit like Mana elves and Natural Order. I want to revisit it now, add 4 of this Steel Leaf Motherfucker, 4 Aspect of the Hydra (I'm already using Primal Bellow).
Replacing Leatherback Balloth
Why not both?
Is wizards literally trying to prove that they can print a mono green creature as strong as they want and it will never be strong enough to make mono green stompy tier 1?
because we still got the (u/g)(u/g)(u/g) 2/2 draw a card dude if you wanted a 3 drop with a relevant effect
yeah, if you ever let the third ability go on the stack. if you just keep it at 2 forever it won't sac itself and will keep the lockdown.
same with the flame of keld or whatever, you can have a draw 2 engine forever in monored.
But Standard has all but eliminated blocking
I like them, but they are literally beasts.
That too. Skyknights are great.
the majority had four legs. those six were the only ones from invasion block I could find with distinctly six legs. Maybe half a dozen could've had six based on perspective and framing, but all the rest had four.
A three cost 2/2 Elvish Visionary doesn't sound too hot to me.
Doesn't that depend on how many counters you're removing?
If you remove a counter after it gets 3 counters does the ability of the third counter still resolve?
it is understat'd but it ticks up devotion to G in devotion stompy
we don't have the exact rules, even the release notes aren't as explicit as it'd be nice to see, but apparently when a counter is added to a saga, the ability for the number of counters on the saga goes on the stack (checked on trigger, not on resolution) so if you tick the counters down after the ability is on the stack it's still the third ability resolving, which will kill the saga afterward.
So if that's true you can only keep sagas alive until the second counter, if you let the third counter resolve it gets sacrificed, am I understanding this correctly?
When you "blink" a permanent, it leaves the battlefield, when it re-enters, it's as if it were just cast again (but it wasn't cast), you aren't removing counters at all, it's literally taking the card out of play and putting it back in.
If you remove or add any amount of Lore counters to the Saga after Lore III hits the stack, the Lore III ability will still resolve normally.
yes. if the third ability leaves the stack (by resolving or being countered) the saga dies. it is at this point blinking becomes more useful, but you also have to go through all of the triggers if you want to reuse it that way.
Everything you need to know about sagas, how to break them, and what the exact rule are:
But if the third ability resolves don't you have to sack it?
What are good cards with blink effects in Modern that could take advantage of the Sagas?
Holy shit is that a PLAYABLE white male?
I never thought i'd see the day
there's not a lot to blink enchantments. flickerwisp, felidar guardian and glimmerpoint stag are the standbys I think. release to the winds works for it too. sudden disappearance could work if there's some kind of big weird combo using the sagas and other nonsense.
"one eye covered to gaze at the goddess within"
If you blink the enchantment after the third ability goes on the stack (before it leaves the stack), the "new" enchantment will not have any association with the ability on the stack, it's like playing a new saga at instant speed.
(imagine another saga with the same name on the battlefield with one counter, you wouldn't sacrifice that one just because some other dipshit saga resolved its lore III)
"one eye covered to gaze at the goddess within"
we are all queens on the inside
Read the flavor text. It's a tranny.
I think it means he thinks of Freyalise a lot
Ah, so no 4+ lore counters either.
Just play doubling season and proliferate
i think it legitimately is a tranny
Freyalise, or maybe Titania.
Yeah but at that point it's better to let the second counter resolve and then blink it the same turn, why the fuck would you waste one turn if you cannot let the third ability resolve?
am i the only one that bothered by the fact that almost all the cards are female characters?
wtf is going on
freyalise isnt a goddess/god
Nigga, we've got Ajani who's the whitest, most manly fucking being on the plane. Shut the fuck up.
Ajani is a giant cat-man.
but niggaaa they are feminizing the fuck out my gameee my test is already low as fuck as is why do they have to make it none existent with this shitt!! :(
freyalise was worshipped as a goddess by the llanowar elves specifically. their eyepatch thing was a tradition inspired by her.
oh okay.. very good. Carry on citizen.
I am out of the loop
Where will you be able to get full art cards?
no more token promos, may be new fmn promo
Yes, and he's still the most manly thing out there.
It's the Open House promo. It says right on the card FFS.
Or you just remove a fucking counter like we've been saying
It's written below, you just have to go to the store and play for free and also get the card for free on the weekend before the prerelease of Dominaria, I believe.
tfw there are actually people who judge their status as men by how masculine their hobbies are
The height of insecurity
Why do you think you can't let lore III resolve? Is it bad to blink Time of Ice after it triggers and then return your opponents tapped creatures to their hand without having to sacrifice Time of Ice since you blinked it? Not to mention tapping yet another creature during the process.
This is what insanity looks like
But user, I am the one that has spent half the thread saying that.
Nuh uh, I am
Because if you let it resolve you have to sack it?
if you blink it you don't sac the new saga, it's a different object. if you want the lore three trigger, you can blink the saga to keep it around and still resolve the trigger. if you just want the saga forever you have to keep it off 3 counters indefinitely.
You don't have to sack it if you blink it. when time of ice re-enters the battlefield, it is no longer associated with the ability on the stack.
Your opponent returns their two creatures to their hand, and you have a Time of Ice with 1 Lore counter on it since it entered the battlefield that turn; if there's a legal target, tap a creature until Time of Ice leaves the battlefield.
Lads I can't get my head around how these sagas aren't shit
They last three turns then you get rid of them? What's good about that
Do you not use sorceries and instants because they don't even last one turn before you get rid of them?
She's an Oldwalker so just might as well have been.
What the actual fuck?
You order them on TCG player instead of paying wizards for making shitty sets.
provide instant value
also provides value over the course of a few turns
usually a big payoff when you sac them
Have you ever played Magic before?
It really depends on the presence of enchantment removal and the CMC vs Payoff of using sagas. These will probably be good in limited. I just don't see them really being that good because they are slow and your opponent can play around them or just remove them. They are terrible top decks too.
They're also slow, so they're basically relegated to limited and standard
"Who play mtg for the lore?"
"The.. the settings can be cool?"
Its funny because Victor Adame does what your entire family tree combined couldn't do in a hundred years.
Ownn why don't you cry about it? you thin skinned little shit
Uh... don’t some if not all of Dominaria Elves worship Yavimaya, who literally is a Goddess? It’s literally no different than a Christian woman seeing her god inside herself.
Anime wannabe pictures with photoshop?
Why do people with severe autism and retardation like to call things they don't like "anime"?
This picture sure does look "anime".
things they don't like "anime"
Are you retarded? I love anime and manga. I'm just saying that picture is bad and anime wannabe.
Sure, tell me one single thing about it that makes it "anime wannabe".
The style? Duh.
I'm talking about llanowar elves by the way.
I know its about the elves, and nothing about it is "anime".
Elves sitting in trees is a clear reference to Naruto! Fucking weebs at Wizards!!!!!
I really hope this isn't what you're thinking, because I'd fucking punch you for being this stupid if it was.
He literally said the art style you 'tist
still plays mtg
the guy is clearly a moron. you can just ignore him.
Good idea desu
Fragmentize and Naturalize are around.
Enchantments are currently more frail than creatures.
Yavimaya is a place. Llanowar elves worship Freyalise who was basically a goddess, and specifically saved them during Time Spiral. It's why they have the eyepatches.
If they were to make it a keyword they could go with putting it as a keyword and a number. Like say
"Stampede 2 (So and so cannot be blocked by creatures with power 2 or less."
"Stampede 3 (So and so cannot be blocked by creatures with power 3 or less"
Stampede sounds better than what they'd come up with.
Knowing wotc itll probably be something stuoid like unsettling or threatening
There is nothing that remotely looks like anime in the art style.
It looks like one of those anime style drawings on Deviantart.
Anime art in magic.
Lotta plot going on in that card.
Tiana a fat
I was hoping the art would at least be a callback to Terese's Hanna artwork
Chubby, busty engineer
Thank you Wizards.
Do you have eyeballs or are you just making blind guesses here
Genuinely wondering, please answer
Face needs to be prettier.
I think it looks elegant.
I'll take any angels. Gimme gimme.
What are the three black creature things underneath the tentacles?
It's not English. Add to what? It should be "Gain G".
If you're this easily butthurt you should leave immediately.
I’m thinking it’s The Boss
Man, art that good is wasted on 1/4 of a Magic card.
Every good art is wasted when its put on a magic card
The problem with Magic art these days is that the people commissioning it don't seem to understand how fucking tiny the space allocated for it is on a card. There's no way to see any of these minute details when you're holding it in your hand.
Same person. Also, the three at the top. Basically, what are the black creatures around the border of the art?
Kinda a bummer a spoiler thread can’t get a full thread.
Probably because they only spoil one card per day.
The shitposters have ruined this place by trying to recruit users or demoralizing the confidence in Wizards by pushing /pol/ conspiracies, pissing off and driving away anybody who gives a fuck about the game.
Furthermore, Wizards has fucked the dog in letting prices go out of hand in their flagship format Standard as well as completely out of control in other formats, thus further driving people away from the game entirely.
A userbase as small as Veeky Forums can only take so much fuckery. And those two aspects are major fucking blows that this place can't handle at the same time. Magic is dead here and if you ask me it won't fucking recover because Wizards won't do anything to make their end better.
Veeky Forums was better back when there were no MtG threads here anyway.
driving away anybody
I've been largely absent from tg's mtg threads since Kaladesh. Once per expansion i checked mtg threads in a vain hope that tg have returned to the time when we shit on each other for reading or understanding the new abilities wrong. At least back then we're still talking about the cards instead of all the pol shit. Even gA barely posted anymore, i haven't seen his rules threads for months.
le muscular female mechanic
Eh, you need to step up your game, Wizards. Kabaneri was 2 years ago.
tfw anime has better role models for females than a progressive west coast company
It's entirely on Wizards; retards will always appear peddling whatever controversy-of-the-month but if the game were healthy we'd just shrug it off. The prices have reached idiot levels and it's a simple fact that when this much money is involved you treat everyone else worse; it's just what money does. I'm not saying money is evil but its involvement tends to lead to unsavory shit if a community isn't strong.
And that's where we are. I can't sit here and tell you what deck to play because that would be telling you to drop $200-$500 on a few fucking pieces of paper. It doesn't matter if Wizards is too stupid to see the problem or just doesn't give a shit, the end result regardless is that it's a problem that's ignored.
10 or 20 years from now I'm going to hear some sad stories about how the game died because we didn't care enough about its well being or the stores that gave us a space to play. And I'll tell those people to go fuck themselves. I'm pissed now and nobody seems to understand how fucking awful it all is.
In order for somehting to be a conspiracy, it bhas to be something done in secret, not openlyh bragged about.
Add (One green mana)
Magic rules text isn't written in English.
So does "Sacrifice after III" mean that when you put lore counter III on it you sacrifice it, or after you put lore counter III on it and then sacrifice it on your next "after draw step".
In rule-speak, you sacrifice it after the triggered ability that comes from III leaves the stack by resolving or being countered. So you put the last counter, trigger the III ability, wait for it to resolve or to be countered, then you acrifice the Saga.
They better put a number on that mechanic (like Overwhelming 2) instead on having it set on an arbitrary number.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
How the fuck do her wings work with that outfit.
I doubt she was supposed to wear a shirt but the artist was probably asked to put one on her.
Tiana a fat
I don't mind that trope for blacksmith.
Namari from Dungeon Meshi looks great.
That's not even fat, just stocky
i literally don’t understand how you could look at her and not love her. i can’t even imagine having such bad taste.
Not really into fat chicks
She looks like a shaved dwarf.
philistines the both of you
Well, she looks well endowed. And since she's heavily covered considering her work, i think it's safe to say that she won't reduce too much her size on other arts.
can't see any evidence of her perfect, divinely-created physique, actually looks a little dumpy
I mean fuck's sake you could just have her sleeves rolled up or something
in "practical" clothing
but how do the wings work, Wizards?
In trying to make a practically-oriented blacksmith ALSO be a living glorious manifestation of White mana they've managed to make something that looks like NEITHER of those things. What an abysmal fucking mess of a character design.
wotc doesn't put attractive women on their products anymo-
The art reeks of traced crap.
She is perfect :3
NoChumpsLol 2 (This creature can't be blocked by chumps with Power 2 or less).
She'd be perfect if her outfit made a bit more sense. I'm not saying strip her up
even if drawfags are more than welcome, but a tanktop loose on the back instead of the shirt would make way more sense.
It's a shame because i like the concept, and she's pretty cute for sure. But in the end, she's just a cute beefy girl with photoshopped wings on her back. Not an angel.
but a tanktop loose on the back instead of the shirt would make way more sense.
wearing loose fitting and open clothing
You guys need to stop huffing anime, you're just spouting retarded shit at this point. If anything her wings should have leather pads all over them and have the tips of her wings be singed to make it look like she's actually doing her job
She should really strap those wings down or something
Namari from Dungeon Meshi looks great
No arguments here.
Maybe it's the size of Tiana's head or her proportions, but Tiana really looks like a dwarf or halfling.
And I can't shake the image of fem-Samwise Gamgee from my head and I hate it