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SniperWish
SniperWish

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Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

BE SAFE GUARDSMEN!.

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Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

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Evilember
Evilember

Imperium is for faggots but GK are for quadruple faggots

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TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Old. School.

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RumChicken
RumChicken

How do I best make use of Ballistarii? Are autocannons or lascannons the way to go?

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Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Oh shi-

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Soft_member
Soft_member

heh.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Enemy BA charges his 8 death company into my Ghostkeel
Kill 3 in overwatch
Use Repulsor field and kill another 2
The ghostkeel takes 2 damage after saves
Hits back
Kills another one
One runs away in moral
mfw through the entire ordeal

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askme
askme

Onagars. Balistarii suffer heavy penalties

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Mortar rounds detonate on impact, he's fine, it's a dud.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

or it's just landed, went through some soft sand or something so it burrowed a bit and is about to blow

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

What does repulsor field do?

RumChicken
RumChicken

How do I best make use of Ballistarii?

Convert them into Sydonian Dragoons.

StonedTime
StonedTime

So is that next Imperial Armor book about Tau vs Mechanicum dead or what?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

you never trust a dud, always call EOD. I bet your one of those idiots who doesnt where their reflective belt either. Your the reason why we have safety briefs that last 5 hours.

viagrandad
viagrandad

Say, I know there's various Scion players here so I have a question. What's a decent <500 point list I can just plug into my other armies?
I intend to paint them up as Inquisitorial Stormtroopers for fluff so they fit better.

happy_sad
happy_sad

Repulsor impact field
1cp
Use after enemy charge, roll dice for each model within 3", mw on 6

Flameblow
Flameblow

Rangdan Xenocides
you will be receiving Legiones Astartes support from none other than the renowned warriors of the II and XI legions

Whelp, time to retire and emigrate to Calth for a quiet life of farming I guess.

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SniperGod
SniperGod

you're*
doesn't*
wear*
You're*

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

How does this 2k shoppinglist look?

Total cost is 2k/2k, entire list would be Bork'an.
The idea is to have the Cadre Fireblade + 3 units of Fire Warriors in the tidewalls as a mobile death fortress, the Fireblade will be in the droneport to give the 4 Marker Drones BS2+.
The rest of the army will be:
1 Cadre Fireblade for footslogging buff
3 units of 6 FW (higher-unit/lower-model count so they can cover more ground/objectives), each with a DS8 missile pod turret for extra damage output once they've gotten into a good position, + 1 Guardian drone to share if they're close enough.
2 units of 6 Pathfinders, no special weapons, but have 1 of each Pathfinder drone to share.
1 Railhead with SMS +2 seekers
1 Twin Plasma hammerhead with SMS
Coldstar Commander with ATS, 2 missile pods, the Plasma Accelerator Rifle, & Examplar of Mont'ka
XV84 Commander with 2 Plasma Rifles + Integrated Markerlight and Target Lock (I wish I could drop the Target Lock)
1 Crisis team of 3 suits, (ATS, 2 missile pods), (ATS, BC, CIB), (Iridium, EWO, 2 BCs) + 2 gun drones and 1 shield drone
1 unit of 2 Tetra Pathfinders for greater markerlight output

All the FWs in the tidewall have pistols so that if the enemy does get into melee range, they can still fight back without having to disembark.

I really went in trying to get enough markerlight sources to reliably keep it on 5 for at least 1 or 2 targets each turn, I might've gone overboard. All of my sources of Markerlights:
1 Cadre Fireblade in Tidewall BS2+
4 Marker drones ignoring move penalty and hitting on 2+ as long as Fireblade stays in Tidewall BS2+/BS5+
1 Cadre Fireblade on foot BS2+
XV84 Integrated Markerlight (30" range) BS2+
total of 12 Pathfinders BS5+
2 Tetra Pathfinders High Intensity markerlight (3ML stacks per hit) BS4+

I've only got 2 seeker missiles, so I feel like I'm not getting the most out of it, should I try to drop something (a drone?) for another seeker or 2?

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Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Expecting correct grammar and spelling from cannonfodder

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

I love these things.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

crayens r for eating not fer riting

takes2long
takes2long

Hail Warmaster
Rangdan Xenocides were more than 100 years before Horus became Warmaster

Playboyize
Playboyize

I love Sisters!

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TalkBomber
TalkBomber

gay*
homo*
nigger*
faggot*

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

fuck you, gotta use something when you run out of jalapeno cheese spread.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

And in about one year from now, we will be able to play sisters models designed in plastic in this decade. What a time to be alive.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Fireblade aura doesn't work if he is embarked in a transport. Unsure if tidewall counts, but it should because GW hates fun.

Ion head > Railhead

I also see a distinct lack of drones. Do you like having >your dudes die?

Also if you're planning on actually buying this shit then for the love of jesus don't.

But it does look like fun

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

With the new covens and those leadership debuffs, is it viable to make a LD-bomb army? (I think it was called "freakshow" or something like that at 7th ed).
Or is it just a waste of time, as it would only affect things that already should be dead?

askme
askme

they will be monopose

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

I like that the version of the Solar Auxilia triage pamphlet for after the Horus Heresy has started is basically just "If his suit is breached, he's dead, either from being dismembered by a bolt round or because the Death Guard have saturated the battlefield with radiological, chemical or biological weaponry".

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

And the metal minis aren't? Even if they are monopose it's a vast improvement over what we have currently

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Its a max of -3 so not really, I mean its an ok bonus but you shouldnt base your army around it, its more like a nice after-thought. Night Lords can get even better debuffs and they arent particularly great.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

I bet your one of those idiots who doesnt where their reflective belt either.

They're just The Man trying to cramp my style dude. Neon yellow doesn't match my MTP ensemble, it'd clash.

FastChef
FastChef

Waste of time, too many things in the game are either outright immune to morale or functionally immune due to small squad sizes to begin with.

Unless there is some bomb ass ability they haven't revealed that cares about enemy Ld and is good enough to pick a faction trait for, but I'll believe that when I see it.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Warp travel, ain't got to explain shit.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

There is no article on Sisters
Why lie

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

doesnt even wear silkies
you disgust me

No joke though, had a SSGT go back stateside during our deployment in afghanistan because his wife hit and killed a corpsmen on the side of the road because he wasnt wearing his reflective belt and running along the side of the road at night.

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Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Because Sisterfags are gullible retards.

girlDog
girlDog

warhammer-community.com/2018/03/28/tales-from-the-worlds-of-warhammer/

This is... something good... that games workshop is doing? Pinch me

TreeEater
TreeEater

Fireblade aura doesn't work if he is embarked in a transport
Entirely correct, he's in the Tidewall to give the drones his BS skill (if there's a Tau INFANTRY unit embarked, the drones launched from the Droneport may use that models BS instead of their own. The army will be acting as two seperate groups, trying to do a pincer attack, tidewall fortress of doom on one side and footslogging + tanks and suits on the other
Unsure if tidewall counts, but it should because GW hates fun.
RAW as long as the Fireblade (or any other aura written this way for that matter) is outside of the Tidewall, it will still work on the troops within. The Aura effects all <SEPT> units, but only works with certain weapons, meanwhile the Open-Topped Transport means that any and all modifiers effecting the transport also effect the units embarked within; Aura effects Tidewalls but does nothing for it, Tidewall transfers aura benefit to embarked troops, they get bonus.

Ion head > Railhead
I know it's a lot better, but I really prefer the Railhead over Ion just because RAILGUN. Hopefully I'll have enough MLs in place for it to be fine. I brought along the FW Plasmahead to help balance it out.

lack of drones
They're just so expensive right now I can't justify bringing very many, I included 2 gun drones + a shield drone for the crisis suits to act as additional protection and ablative wounds, + the guardian and pathfinder drones.

Also if you're planning on actually buying this shit then for the love of jesus don't.
I'm sorry user, I fully intend to, but not all at once. Right now my entire 40k collection is a partially complete Tau SC, 1 Cadre Fireblade, and 1 box of Pathfinders

Emberfire
Emberfire

That's what happens when you let SJWs into the military

DeathDog
DeathDog

GW really wrote themselves into a corner with morale.
Tyranids
Mindless bugs, no fear
Necrons
Mindless boops, no fear
Marines/edgy Marines/gold Marines
Literally can't feel fear
Admech
Mindless beeps, no fear
Orkz
Only afraid of Farsight, fearless otherwise

Half the armies canonically shouldn't even be effected by morale so what's even the point of it?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

gotrek and felix
neat
baneblade
neat
age of shitmar shlock
nah, miss me with that gay shit

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Well to be honest seeker missiles aren’t great and neither are most suits. Broadsides (missiles and ATS) and ghostkeels are the only good suits aside, of course, from commanders. And stealth if you count them but even then it’s more “meh, I need elite filled and don’t want a marksman (which are breddy gud markeerlight fodder) or kroot” than good. The real winner is our volume of fire, easy brigades filled with FW squads can pump out hundreds of shots buffed by SoF ethereals and fireblades. Bork’an is good, just needs some help. Brigade is a tau must though, you need CP for a lot of stuff. Also what other people said

Spamalot
Spamalot

what's even the point of it?
Guard players and their Commissars.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Well if you're dedicated towards it then don't let your memes be dreams man.

I still think it's bad, fun but bad.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

He believes tyranid/nercon/space marine/admech/orkz propaganda

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cum2soon
cum2soon

Salamander waifus when?

likme
likme

Codex: Legion of the Damned

Just think about it.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

What are your overall thoughts on the Kabal and Coven rules previewed so far? Also, and there any Kabals or Covens that you're disappointed didn't get rules?

Skullbone
Skullbone

Deepstrike restrictions suck! Bring back scatter and Dangerous Terrain.

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Emberburn
Emberburn

no

WebTool
WebTool

be guardsmen
get shot
fail morale
get shot

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

It feels like someone who knew and liked Dark elfdar wrote the codex. Doesn't matter if it's good or bad.

tfw the dude who wrote yours doesn't even play the faction

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

It was released i 6th ed.
1 unit and 1 relic

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

obligatory

But, really, what would it have? I mean, I'm all for a supplement and an update for the index entry but there's not a lot to justify mechanically.

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GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Noooooppe fuck you

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Top stuff, fun, useful and unique and the stratagems so far seem to be very creative. Im glad GW has taken yet another army out of the gutter and that they are being more creative with Stratagems, makes me optimistic in the future of other armies.

Supergrass
Supergrass

said no one ever
oh hey, who wants their 400 points of assault terminators scatter into terrain or off the board and instantly wiped out.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

What if they brought back Horus?

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Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

They also had an HQ named character in that release if I recall correctly

King_Martha
King_Martha

Man... and we had such high hopes for 8e back then...

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viagrandad
viagrandad

Primaris lotd

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haveahappyday
haveahappyday

No one thought they could make an entire codex out of Custards.

They did.

likme
likme

and and all plot progression is good. but i want my barefoot eldar waifu to defeat him in the final battle

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Oh yeah, shit, I wear a hi-vis vest if I'm running on the road at night, I don't have a deathwish. Should be running on the side of the road facing on-coming traffic anyway so you can dive out of the way of homocidal wives and gf's in 4x4's. Fuck wearing that shit round camp though, haven't seen anyone actually do that in the Royal Bongistan Defence Forces outside of training.

Playboyize
Playboyize

Fists or Talons?

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TreeEater
TreeEater

Nope, only LoD squad, sergeant can take relic.
Army was 1 elite + 3 optional elites

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

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Firespawn
Firespawn

putting a troll link in the OP

Disgusting

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LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Administer Punishment

yessssssssssssss

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Did Primaris suddenly become unable to die?

That still doesn't answer what would go into a Legion codex

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VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Looks very powerful with a lot of diverse and deadly options, but most importantly it looks fun and very fluffy. 10/10 codex so far

TechHater
TechHater

Alpha Striking would be less prevalent if there was a risk for it to backfire if you placed things real close.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

What if all Imperial saints were just briefly given warp powers by chaos so they could undermine the Emperor's plans?

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Supergrass
Supergrass

I need to make more penguins...it’s been a good while.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

High Risk, High Reward > No Risk, No Reward

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

/aosg/ is self-destructing again. I'm just going to hang out with you guys and research what 40k army I should get into.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

fuck off fag

w8t4u
w8t4u

Can chaos just force warp powers onto anyone? Especially when they're the most faithful and pure, I doubt it.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Overall really hyped. Wych cult reveals will be deciding factor on whether or not I get a new SC!. Sad that The Hex didn’t get an obsession, them being the true artists of flesh craft, and all.

Methshot
Methshot

Chaos Daemons, you can play them in 40k, WHF and AoS

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Talons are redundant with a +1 to wound

also take the DCD over the furioso

Firespawn
Firespawn

Your face will look funny when they finally arrive.

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AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

wait for fish elves

FastChef
FastChef

Think of it this way with Euphrati Keeler. Spoilers for the first HH book.
>Spawn a horror from the warp
>Spawn some warpflame in front of her hand
>Melt an Aquila into her skin
>Everyone thinks she was given magic power by the Emperor
>Now everyone has proof big E is a god
>Just as planned

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

high risk, little reward. you could literally scatter into the unit you wanted to assault, and get wiped out anyway, that is if you didnt scatter into terrain or off the board. thats why land raiders were a thing, because it was too fucking dangerous to travel any other way.

Spamalot
Spamalot

weren't lotd post warp fuckery Firehawks? Pretty sure that precludes them from having Primaris

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

GW makes snake elves look like a cross between elves and snakes
What a shocker.
New Celestine and girls looks ace

idontknow
idontknow

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TreeEater
TreeEater

The current DS system is fine. The best way to help it would be add more means of variance for the distance. For example, a Drop Pod strategem that allowed you to get within 6" for a CP

Flameblow
Flameblow

I missed a lot when I was away, it seems. Since when are there snek girls?

WebTool
WebTool

Pretty sure Cawl had some spare Firehawk geneseeds to tinker with.

DeathDog
DeathDog

No. The less randomness the better. The risk is not being able to charge for melee units and that can turn out pretty bad.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

I know thinking about literature outside what they taught me at school and black library but I'm going to assume this is a very cultured shitpost to which I say, Fanar well played old chum

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BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

My 390 pt filler for Scions is:
Battalion
Tempestor Prime (Warlord)
-Hot-shot Las Pistol and chainsword
-Kurov's Aquila
-Grand Strategist

Tempestor Prime
-Chainsword and command Rod

3x 5 man Scion Squad with 2x Volley guns
Taurox Prime
-Heavy Stubber
-Hot Shot volley guns
-Gatling

To bump to 500 I would make 2 squads 10 man with 4 Volley guns. I use this filler for the CP, CP control, anti horde, and objective cappers.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

It feels like someone who knew and liked Dark elfdar wrote the codex.
This, absolutely. About time we got another preview that felt as spot on as the Imperial Guard one did in terms of flavor.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Is there any army you really want to play but you are already focused on another army/can't afford another one?

I want to start a Nids kill team but even a box of warriors and a box of hormagaunts would cost as much as another start collecting box for my army. Bugs look great and I like their fluff but I would feel bad for leaving my current project

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Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

That's one theory. There are other theories about them being psychic constructs or imperial "daemons". The Legion of the Damned have been operating since before the Fire Hawks became lost. Also, in one of the novels where Legion appeared one is described as having a faded chapter badge on his armor that looked suspiciously like an ultramarine badge.

Also also, weren't the primaris retconned to have been around for hundreds of years? Fire Hawks disappeared in M41

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Spamalot
Spamalot

morathi is a big snake girl who tried to fuck a skeleton and now leads a bunch of melusi now

girlDog
girlDog

"Excellent dodge Guardsman Precarious! Now keep moving!"

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w8t4u
w8t4u

How many is too many?

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Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

primaris have been in stasis since hh

Methnerd
Methnerd

ebay

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Yes but I thought Dark Imperium retconned them to have been active for like 200 years or something to justify veterans

RavySnake
RavySnake

No, that's why homing beacons were a thing.

It used to be if you wanted to deep strike you had to plan around it. Now fuckers just put half their shit in reserve and drop it trouble-free first turn.

So what's the risk for the Slaaneshi Plasmanators that just erased your frontline?

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

putting together Trukk kit for the first time

JUST KILL ME NOW

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BinaryMan
BinaryMan

With high shipping fees in my country I can as well buy stuff from the retailer with a 15-20% discount on GW prices

FastChef
FastChef

Well take it like a man and kill them afterward.

JunkTop
JunkTop

Literally every army user.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

a Drop Pod strategem that allowed you to get within 6"

Why not just let your meltaguns deepstrike on top of their tanks and reroll failed wounds too while we're at it?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Never enough battle brother!

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Eldar Waifus for all Loyal Soldiers of the Imperium when?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Dark Imperium just moved the setting forward by like a hundred or so years

Supergrass
Supergrass

I didn't want the codex to be effectively split into three. I have a pain engine I need to spend 1CP to field with it losing my kabal trait unless I buy wracks and a haem. I would have loved to be able to splash in a vanilla/trait less engine and kept the kabal obsession.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Stealth chaplain
Posted this in /wip/ But I done goofed.

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Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Assembling a piranha kit
Even the Greater Good is not worth it

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Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

gotta put shit into reserves if you dont want it nuked off the table in alpha strike.

you still had to get homing beacons into position in the first place and only a couple units in the game could do it well, but if an enemy got too close to the beacon it was instantly destroyed.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Horus was the first and only warmaster ever

Also, from Grognard Autism General (aka. /hhg/):
"the Ultramarines of 899.M30 were perhaps on the cusp of becoming so, as their ranks, then at around approximately 166,000 Legionaries, stood them in the forefront of their peers. The Dark Angles, who in the previous decade to this had been undoubtedly the most powerful single Legion, had fallen in number and evened this figure, having suffered massive casualties holding the line during the famed Third Rangdan Xenocide; the blood of 50,000 Space Marines spend in preventing the destruction of perhaps the entire northern Imperium by the menace from the outer darkness."
Book 5, pg. 96

So, if Ultras were the biggest in 899. and DA were the biggest in the 880's, but got reduced due to the Third Rangdan Xenocide, it must have happened between 880's and 899.

From Book 3, pg. 82:
"Official accounts found in both the arcanlooms of the Logistica Corpus and the more prosaic works of the Remembrancers place the Alpha Legion's appearance as an active Legion force in its own right to either the decade immediately preceding the commencement of the Farinatus Extermination or as appearing as an unexpected reinforcing power during the darkest days of the third Rangdan Genocides. This represents a discrepancy of some thirty sidereal years"

According to Book 2, pg. 19, Farinatus Extermination was in 972.M30. So if there's a 30 year discrepancy between that and the 3rd Rangdan Genocide, that would place it between 942.M30 and 002.M31. Giving you a timeline after Ullanor and making the Regimental Standard kosher.

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viagrandad
viagrandad

Immortals and Lychguard

Those kits alone put me out of Necrons

cum2soon
cum2soon

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takes2long
takes2long

Spaven when?

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w8t4u
w8t4u

what's wrong user? the trukk kit is neat. do you mean the armour plates on the side? they aren't that fiddly

iluvmen
iluvmen

even if you fuck it up, it will still look orky.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

I find it strange that a d10 isn't being used instead of d6. There is quite literally 1 downside, and that is a hilariously small one at that.

+Better chance distribution
+More room for differentiation between models and weapons
+More room to add penalties and bonuses without severely altering the outcome
-d10s are less known and more uncommon than d6s
That's it. Literally full of benefits that would give GW more room to play with the rules, less issues with balancing our current models, and overall a better system.
B.. but more expensive
By a stupidly small margin. You are already spending thousands on plastic, and d10 are not that expensive. 1 buck per die is dirt cheap compared to the models you are buying.
They are more difficult to roll!
Blatant lie. I have played WoD enough to know that even 10+ dice are not even remotely difficult to roll at once. It is either pure laziness or a lack of experience with rolling a handful of d10s.

I am hoping their kill team project with the rumoured d10 system gets a lot of attention. I would love to see 40k go for a d10 system.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Piranhas are cute so it's worth it.

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Skullbone
Skullbone

possible but then how would they become LotD, or did they have a similar warp accident

primaris retconned to have been around for hundreds of years
Thousands, but in stasis until Bobby G returned.

Emberfire
Emberfire

15

Firespawn
Firespawn

mfw I wanted to buy both HH board games for 60 sweet mkIII and mkIV chaos space marines but anons tend to say that running even 5 of them is a waste of points

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SniperGod
SniperGod

Popcorn dread

SniperWish
SniperWish

I have no idea where anything goes because my fragile little mind is only used to putting together kits from 2011 onwards.

There are like 10 images for the entire build whereas other tanks have loads more, even the Leman Russ is much easier than this.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

So you are implying that Rangdan Xenocides lasted more than 100 years?

Booteefool
Booteefool

What went wrong?

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askme
askme

Its a shame they forgot the lost legions were already gone by the time Horus was Warmaster.

idontknow
idontknow

I am shaving the flash off...
100.
Cadian.
Fucking.
Pants.

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hairygrape
hairygrape

I would love to see 40k go for a d10 system
Same

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Methnerd
Methnerd

do what you're heart tells you

ah okay. i'll agree the instructions aren't the best because of how small some of the bits are. I remember i struggled with the driver arms a bit because positioning him in the small space is a bit shit

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

All four Chaos Gods teamed up to turn Horus personally. Poor dude never stood a chance.

Skullbone
Skullbone

OH FUCK I FORGOT ABOUT MACHARIUS

Firespawn
Firespawn

MFW I really wanted to start a CSM + Slaanesh army so I bought some marines and daemons and they're the best things I ever painted and based but the army was such trash I sold them

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Flameblow
Flameblow

It all went wrong when the Emperor said "I'm appointing 16 to be my new warmaster"

SniperWish
SniperWish

I know your pain...

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

I'm just quoting the books. There were multiple of them and it's mentioned in every one of the FW books as a major event that cost tons of men, material and threatened the Imperium. There's even mention of decade long cleanup after one of the genocides, among other pieces. It's needless to say that it was no cakewalk.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

10 d10

Fucking elite armies think they know what “difficult to roll” means.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Personally I think there should be a stratagem for dropping pods on top of enemies to deal mortal wounds so I figure that's a reasonable middle ground

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

old school editon

My nigga

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Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

How are Slaanesh daemons right now? Mortal options seem kind of shit.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

gotta put shit into reserves if you dont want it nuked off the table in alpha strike.
Incredible

you still had to get homing beacons into position in the first place and only a couple units in the game could do it well, but if an enemy got too close to the beacon it was instantly destroyed.

Almost as if it took skill and forward thinking as opposed to being completely free.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Do I take an Eversor and two Battle Tanks, or leave it and take a Command Tank and a regular Battle Tank?

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SomethingNew
SomethingNew

You got a better candidate in mind?

Inmate
Inmate

Mortal options seem shit
Slaanesh Oblits are amazing

Slaanesh daemons
The new models look like garbage
Most of their models have crap rules

likme
likme

I'm removing moldlines from my chaos warriors for 3 weeks now. I love their old sculpts but those moldlines are as thicc as my gf's thighs

TreeEater
TreeEater

Horus thought it should have been Sanguinius

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Why is this a thing?

Snarelure
Snarelure

I got better ways of interacting with your kids in mind. Top tip, don't refer to them by number.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

buy blitza-bommer
box comes with roadmap-style instructions
friend buys a blitza-bommer
box comes with booklet instructions

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GoogleCat
GoogleCat

erebus

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StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Less excited by Covens, but I don't like em anyway.
Kabals look great, and I love the idea of bringing more patrols to be showing different groups working together.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Didn't they do that to all the Primarchs? I'm fairly certain the old Chaos codices mentions the gods whispering to each of them. I miss when falling to chaos made sense rather than requiring a mental disorder

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MPmaster
MPmaster

You are correct, GW contacted The Dark City to help steer the codex. The podcast crew was under NDA but kept giving suggestive eyebrow nods whenever someone mentioned the codex.

askme
askme

Almost as if it took skill and forward thinking
Ork and Nid and daemon players literally have hundreds of fucking models on the table
skill and forward thinking
you just keep thinking that. yeah, against smaller armies like tau with pathfiders and crisis suit bombs, or ravenwing biker/speeders dropping off beacons for deathwing drops, but if you werent playing that you were fucked.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Anyone know what the deal with the London Enfield store is?

New manager just came in but apparently some sort of clique within the store is having disagreements and causing a ruckus.

What's the issue? Is it important? I've never heard of such things happening in a hobby store.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

The less randomness the better.
I disagree.

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Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Aren't most tourneys limiting the number of detachments you can bring? Will they make an exception for adarki aeldari?

Snarelure
Snarelure

I want squad leader banners with sticker flags back!

Emberburn
Emberburn

Ah, it's a WH Fantasy thing. Still might be neat for DEldar or Chaos conversions.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Thank you friend user

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Can’t wait for the Cults preview to see if all these reavers and hellions will be effective enough. What I’ve seen so far has been fanfucking-tastic though. Haven’t been this hype about the faction since my first read through of Path of the dark eldar.

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JunkTop
JunkTop

Okay help me oh wise anons
ghost keel for 199 with 2+D3 fusion blaster shots with a 4++ (and targeting for collider)
Seems like a really solid option, it can take a ton of fire, is highly mobile, and deals good damage. However the rakers seems really tempting as it does more damage (outside melta reroll) and can hit a better variety of targets, but how should one equip it? Burst cannons, obviously, and ATS but what for the other one?

4++
or move without heavy penalties (TL)
4++ seems better for a static back line while TL fits the up-front mode better. 4++ is cheaper and just seems so tasty, stick the drones out of LOS and you’re basically unkillable. Which way to run? TL or shield? Or just go fusion for max close-range damage?

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Dreamworx
Dreamworx

I still argue that since it's an army specific rule, it overrules the main rulebook suggestion. It seems kinda stupid to deny a list defining rule just because previous tournaments haven't had such a rule before.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

I'm here in the States, but every time someone new comes in to run our store, it takes time to adjust. If the new manager is an asshole, the regulars let him know how things are in the hopes they adjust. For example, we were worried that our new manager, who was a women, would fuck up our store with liberal bullshit, but she turned out to be good people. She's leaving. We are going to miss her.

Bidwell
Bidwell

Are mono-daemons army viable in 40k? By viable I mean good just enough to not get trampled on turn 2.
My budget is quite tight so I just want to grab 2-3 start collecting boxes and field a 1000pts army. I like to keep my armies homogeneous theme-wise so I want to run an army dedicated to a single god rather than a daemon soup.

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iluvmen
iluvmen

You can have 2 support systems

I have run full fusion and it's good
I have also used raker/bursts and that's also good.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

A lone ork chokes out the Emperor of Man
What fanfic is this?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

The later unless you've got some theme in mind that works with assassins.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Dunno about tournaments mostly play with the gf and the m8’s. Is this the question barring our faction from WAAC attack? If so I hope they limit the shit out of it.

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TreeEater
TreeEater

The rule isn't "You may take 6 detachments" though, it's "If you take 6 detachments"

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

We used to have a dude who was kind of a prude and a cunt. But he cared about the hobby and even stayed open later on release days for a midnight release.

I miss that fucker. Now we got some corporate drone.

Firespawn
Firespawn

9th edition actually happens and it uses d10
I'd be ok with that.

Flameblow
Flameblow

That list building rule shouldn't override the main rule book, just like the Tau list building rule shouldn't override the main rule book

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

The new manager is a really nice guy, so I'm guessing its rules enforcement or schedule changes but I have no idea what provoked the reaction.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Mono Khorne is okay

The rest aren't great without support

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

One group of fifteen or two groups of ten.

DeathDog
DeathDog

mfw thats my post you screencapped

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PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Expect eBay to be flooded with metal sisters soon

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Jervis Johnson and Andy Chambers, Ork is pretty non-specific could have been a +10 Ghazghkull Thraka of God Killing for all we know

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Five star post is was m8!

Lunatick
Lunatick

I've been lucky. Our store has had two good managers in a row. If one of the guys from the store gets the job, things will be fine. I'm not holding my breath, though. The store doesn't pull big numbers, but the people there are top shelf.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Doubtful

Spamalot
Spamalot

Chaplain yes or no?

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Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Thanks m8

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cum2soon
cum2soon

Yes

massdebater
massdebater

How are beakies not more popular? They're easily the best helmet

Inmate
Inmate

Just out of curiosity, do the new rules say codex trumps rule book? I ask because I don't think it does.

likme
likme

It was the largest Prime-Ork that had ever existed, it was the size of dreadnought.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Painting toys and playing games is fun. I like it as a way to spend time with friends like all of you people

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

is that a TITANFALL REFERENCE?

SniperGod
SniperGod

I know you can have 2, but you basically need ATS with the raker, so it’s a question of significantly improved durability but little movement or unhindered movement but less durability to anything past AP-1.

I’m leaning towards fusion simply because I have 9 ion rifles, 2 ionheads, and 2 missilesides to knock out medium toughness but only a fusion star for heavy things, 2 keels coming in with fusion support could be really useful. I guess I’ll start fusion and find out for myself.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Dunno, I love them far more than the Mk IV or Mk VII grilles. Make more sense from a defensive point of view too.

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RavySnake
RavySnake

Yes. Also, Librarian. See if this helps. In before not competitive. It isn't meant to be.

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WebTool
WebTool

Wouldn't Khorne be expensive? In AoS you need like bilion of bloodletters

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Well I can't imagine people will be going nuts for the metals when the new one drops. Unless they're dramatically redesigned. That's why old metal Cadians are so popular, they're fantastic and actually semi proportionate compared to marines.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

well I'm running an inquisitor and if I can fit in the eversor I can run an imperium vanguard detachment rather than an auxiliary detachment

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Yeah all flavours of demons need a billion dudes They're kind of a horde army

Booteefool
Booteefool

Some more granularity would be welcome.
How would BS on a D10 work?
1-miss
2-Vindicare, Custodes characters, SM Chapter masters, various other peak of peak for other factions not listing everything
3-Custodes, SM characters, strong characters in general (Tau commander, Overlords, etc)
4- Marines, Eldar aspect dudes, Necrons
5- Scions, Eldar civilians
6-guardsmen, fire warriors
7-conscripts and orks
8- whatever is supposed to be dumb
9-?
10-always hits

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Shut up, Blisk.

farquit
farquit

Unfortunately that guy's mostly right. Point for point, the twin las balistarii does slightly more than a neutronager against the same targets, but only if the ironstrider stays still. If they move, the onager has the advantage.

Also the dunecrawler is much tankier and more able to take advantage of cover by moving.

Converting to a dragoon is also a pretty good idea.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

now I'm hard, thanks user

w8t4u
w8t4u

would you look at that, it looks like our little user's trying to be a hero

Inmate
Inmate

People wouldn't have any reason to purge their metal collection en masse.

At this point the only people who can afford $140 for 10 models are serious hobbyists, and because the army isn't particularly competitive, there's not a large section that will be purging their collections.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

That's nice user, I'm of a similar mind. Thanks for sharing

Emberfire
Emberfire

I haven't found them to be that useful. Getting them into half range where the fusion actually outperforms the ion leaves them really open to retaliation.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Fucking hell don't post your shitty lists as PDFs.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

So reading the codex it says that Astorath go's to all chapters to deal with their black rage, so are there any chapters that would refuse him?

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Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Well, Nurgle at least can pay the troop tax for battalion with nurglings - that makes their Start Collecting box a really nice deal

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

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farquit
farquit

Oh yeah, Overwatch, dunno about that one
Hit on a roll of 10, would piss off tau

viagrandad
viagrandad

Fuck you look at shit before you click it nerd.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Would you rather I fill up half your screen with text? Because I can do that. I was trying to help. Don't be an ass.

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Inmate
Inmate

good golly me that is a very pretty model

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Evilember
Evilember

Ow hits on 9
T'au sept hits on 7

SniperWish
SniperWish

No, But don't focus on the logistics of one guy travelling to every battlefield to do his task. He's basically Santa Claus.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

All of them but vanilla Blood Angels, apparently. He has the Blood Angels keyword when he really shouldn't. He should work on any chapter.

TechHater
TechHater

Same, I'm pretty damn hype.

I'm a new player, and I was kinda sweating over the playstyle of the dark eldar. I was afraid they'd be very glass cannon, but the different sub faction rules and stratagems are making the DE look amazing.

I also just ordered Path of the Dark Eldar from Black Library. How was it?

Supergrass
Supergrass

I imagine Tau would be more pissed off from losing 10% accuracy.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

I also just ordered Path of the Dark Eldar from Black Library. How was it?

Not him but it's one of the Black Library's best book series and I defy anyone to read it and not feel at least a passing interest in collecting Dark Eldar.

Lunatick
Lunatick

I figured he wasn't the only guy doing executions he can only be in so many places. how is he usually viewed by successors though?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Path of the Dark Eldar is a great series. After that, Lukas the Trickster includes Duke Sliscus who is also awesome.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Not mine and maybe, this definitely is. It’s a pity that game didn’t catch on more, the first one was one of the best multiplayer shooters I’ve ever played and the whole aesthetic of the universe was spot-on. Non-weeb gritty mechsuits are kino, especially with the Wild West and other stuff they blended in. Pity the multiplayer in 2 wasn’t as good (aka what the FUCK happened to my titan shield and customization, respawn)

Converting tau to be more future military and suits to be titanfall-ish is mainly what got me into tau.

I was thinking the same thing to a degree, it does okay damage outside melta range and great inside, but for safety part of me thinks raker would be better. But that just makes me debate which system to take, and I can’t decide so I tire out and say fuck it, fusion. Any idea which system for raker? Mobility seems prize with a 24” (or 30” with Bork) gun, but extra toughness too...

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King_Martha
King_Martha

What I’ve seen so far has been fanfucking-tastic though.
I agree, they knocked this one out of the park. This will easily be the second best if not best Codex release of 8th edition if the rest of the stuff to come is on par with what we've seen so far.

You can really tell how much they phoned in T'au and Necrons by comparison. RIP.

Spamalot
Spamalot

most alpha strikes are done using deep strike because it allows them to get into good positions with zero risk

alpha striking would not be a problem if players used good amount of terrain and deep strike was more risky

5mileys
5mileys

It’s what tipped the scale for me picking up the faction a couple years ago. Also made me buy a couple harly back ups because Masque of Vyle (short story for the series) was fucking TIGHT! Short story is in the MEGA of its not with what ya got.

hairygrape
hairygrape

why would a suit pilot be dressed in combat armour

Skullbone
Skullbone

To help protect him jostling around inside
For if he has to bail out

Firespawn
Firespawn

In case their suit is thrashed and they gotta continue on foot maybe?

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

17

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WebTool
WebTool

True, but if you're playing mono demons, what nurgle stuff do you even really want to take other than a fuckload of Plaguebearers with some support?

Mono demons really aren't great, although they're super useful alongside a CSM detachment

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

I think the Necron book is actually pretty solid. I'm looking forward to this weekend.

RumChicken
RumChicken

Necrons felt alright, it’s admech I really feel for. They had the single coolest codex(es) in 7th edition but like 90% of the cool rules and abilities got gutted to generic uselessness or outright removed. Electrostatic grenades and an army of scout/crusader troops was a bitch to fight, but it better than now. Goodnight sweet cyborg-princes

StonedTime
StonedTime

A fellow pilot. I agree completely with you on Titanfall 2 being a bit of a letdown, when compared to the first. At least the single player is good, and they added Frontier Defense.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Vanilla SM is the most boring codex

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Warscythe or Shield for Lychguard?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

I skip the shield myself, but I don't find them needing it much. The target lock is better than the ATS without marker support for the main gun, but if you can reliable buff and/or stay still ATS is better.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

the single player was fucking amazing, plus the graphics were improved
it makes up for the poor multiplayer

whereismyname
whereismyname

Heya anons, any fellow GK-bro‘s willing to share their lists/strats with me? I‘m having trouble at my lgs playing with my friends. My main opponents play Altaioc Dark Reaper spam, Space Wolves, Stygies Admech, Tempestus Scions and mixed hive fleet Tyranids, and desu I cant seem to catch a break with my knights.

I’ve beaten the admech, scions and SW‘s, but the two guys I play against most often, the nid and eldar player just completely stomp me every time.

Is there anyway not to autolose every game? I‘m currently running something like this:

GM Dreadknight
Voldus

30 Strikes
2 Dreadnoughts
10 Purgators
2 Razorbacks

Any help or hope would be appreciated. I‘m just currently really unmotivated to work on them since they just never seem to work, and I need a little push to feel good about my bois again.

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Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Warscythe more swinging dakka!

MPmaster
MPmaster

All it really needs is for deepstrikers to be delayed a turn. That single turn to spread out of your deployment zone would be nice, especially for armies that don't have scouts.

girlDog
girlDog

Our scene has a lot of flat 3 Damage guys so I would like the shield more so I'm not saving on 6+ and then dying flat out.

5mileys
5mileys

I feel I'm like the only person who played TF2 and thought it was just boring

askme
askme

Fuck yes

iluvmen
iluvmen

You can just admit that there are a lot of dark reapers

Inmate
Inmate

I use shield as they're only useful for soaking wounds for characters.

likme
likme

Anyone I’ve seen ask this question has been directed toward soup. I’d pick out a really versatile companion detachment to shore up and weakness your feeling in lists.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Are Deathwatch Custodes now a thing?

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Methnerd
Methnerd

Personally I'm running mine with the three fusion, plus target lock and shield gen because it's one hell of a threat that the opponent absolutely has to deal with. Should draw fire away from my broadsides and hammerheads, at least for a turn.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Hey now Team Fortress 2 was plenty fun
How the fuck would that work dingus, they're not space marines

Snarelure
Snarelure

Haha. I'm glad we don't Just a lot of people using stuff like Dreads and Maulerfiends and Hellbrutes. Stuff like that. I use Bullgryn a lot and basically I kill a small squad and then someone's Hellbrute comes in and swats like 3 flat out.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

There's no indication as such.

Evilember
Evilember

Yeah FD was nice, I’m still just miffed Titan combat is so boring, it felt really fun and versatile back in the day. Mixing guns was really great and the shield/Lower durability when it dropped was miles better, just so many little changes no one asked for or wanted. If they just updated T1 and gave me more maps and guns I’d be harder than an AP physics test taken by a retarded kid.

ywn play those elder god-tier maps from T1 ever again

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TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Masque of Vyle (short story for the series) was fucking TIGHT!

Fucking love me some murderclowns ever since reading that.

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BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

they're super useful alongside a CSM detachment
Wait, can I actually field some chaos space marines with daemons? Like REAL chaos space marines - not a fuckin boring cultist spam with no horned bois?

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RumChicken
RumChicken

Meh, they aren't supposed to be good at shooting

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Why would you ever bring a Ghostkeel if your meta is dark reaper spam?

Supergrass
Supergrass

A man/woman of taste and class I see!

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Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Yeah, either summon them or have a CSM detachment and a Demons detachment

They both share the Chaos keyword so you can use them in the same army.

They do need to either be summoned or in their own detachment if you want to benefit from <Legion> traits though.

cum2soon
cum2soon

YES! Now get in there and be all that you can be up and coming heretic!

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Bidwell
Bidwell

Just out of curiosity, are any of you Dark Eldar guys in or around Pierce County, Washington? I have two Archons I am never going to use, unless Ynnari come back with a vengeance. I'd love to see one of you guys get some use out of them.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Depends on how competitive you want to be. Basic CSMs are some of the worst troops in the game. That said Noise Marines and Berzerkers are pretty solid.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

starting with marines and using primaris, what is the best value set to buy?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

2 dreadnoughts
The only good dreadnoughts are the DOOOOOOOMMMGLAIVE and to a lesser degree psifleman, everything else is trash. GMNDK and voldus is my go-to as well, plus as many strikes as I want, a stormraven, apothecary, and healthy doses of paladins. Purgators are generally not worth it when you’re not facing a super-deadly melee army as 5 guys with falcons deep striking and unloading is already good. I do ok, usually bring a Razorback or two for backup.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Shame that Respawn is no more. Xbone has around 780-790 players at any time, for T1 these days. Also, digging the mini.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Half of dark imperium or eBay in general. What chapter mah nigga?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Hello master night?

DeathDog
DeathDog

Yeah I pick it up on XBoneless every now and again, takes so long to load but when I get in, damn is it worth it. Great game

eGremlin
eGremlin

thinking of emperor fists brudda

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Very kind offer you have there user hope those Archons find a good home. No one in the shop needs’m?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

If you are interested in playing a Nurgle related army, go with Death Guard. It's nice, fluffy force, with readily available and cheap minis to score en masse on ebay.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Do all pathfinder special drones form 1 squad?

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whereismyname
whereismyname

Shhhh this is faux-Latin, it says “HAIL THE LORD OF NIGHT” then you get scared

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

I'm not talking about power level, I'm talking about interesting, flavorful rules that fit the faction.

Imperial Guard is the only book that really went the extra mile in that regard so far, now it looks like Dark Eldar will follow up.

Tyranids get honorable mention but it wasn't consistent across the whole book.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

It should, but they should make explicit mention that it overrules it. They should have just created a DE FOC.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Nice choice find a good yellow tutorial and take you time learning it. It’s a frustrating color to do but I have faith you will bring glory to your corpse emperor!

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5mileys
5mileys

Picked up a bunch of old tau suits for cheap
All this Titanfall talk
Well, I guess my next project is a titan/reaper lookin thing

askme
askme

I agree with , Vanilla SM suffered the most, followed closely by CSM. Their traits are garbage and don't extend to vehicles (unlike other armies, and fucking guard got SEPERATE rules for vehicles) and ATSKNF is useless as shit for a special rule compared to stuff like orders and WBB. DttFE is somehow worse.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Anyone have any games lately? I had a really fun one against Orks today.

I brought a silly soupy list that was great fun. We played the Chapter Approved mission, Ascension, where if characters hold an objective they keep getting more points each turn they hold, so we each had a character on one point that neither could dislodge so it was a battle for the middle. I had a 6 man Bullgryn squad buffed to a 2++ save thanks to a Custodes Vexilus and Psychic Barrier along with Celestine and he threw 90 Boys and some other characters at me. Those Bullgryn were retardedly resilient. After hundreds of attacks against them I only lost 1. They, along with Celestine and the Custodes, just chopped their way through the boys for 4 turns. Like I always do, I lost by 1 point. I couldn't kill his boys fast enough and they killed my characters that were on the point. The end result was a single painboy just sitting there victorious while the rest of his army was a handful of grots and those D6 grot cannons.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

I have a weird nostalgia for d10s, because my first tabletop was Dark Heresy back in middle school.

SniperGod
SniperGod

I don't think anyone plays Dark Eldar. I would want to trade them for something. We'll see how it goes.
The Dynasties and Warlord traits are good. The Tomb Blade change was perfect. I play Mephrit and I'm stoked.

SniperWish
SniperWish

Are ADB's Night Lords books any good? I've heard good things but I'm put off after I tried to read his Black Legions novels and didn't get more than a few chapters before the sheer snowflakeness of his characters got to me.

RavySnake
RavySnake

We might have run into each other in a match. Neat.

Chaos Marines are suffering to have an older army built around, now.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

If you're thinking of starting with Primaris on the cheap a good way is to buy Know No Fear and sell the DG, you're essentially getting a Captain/Intercessor/Hellblaster/Inceptor for like $50-60 which is freaking cheap for something like 500-700pts, a great way to start an army considering those kits cover 90% of the Primaris range.

Illusionz
Illusionz

Why would you ever play if your meta is Dark Reaper spam?

ftfy

iluvmen
iluvmen

Because they're not actually that hard to counter? They did extremely well at LVO because the mission set favors them and they're certainly good but if you know approach the game knowing they're there you can handle them.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Why spend thousands on plastic when 60 dollarydoos will get you the best licensed 3rd party 40k game with every unit that money can buy. Why tabletop when you could join the PC Master race for less?

Snarelure
Snarelure

The Night Lords series is so much better than the Black Legion series, mainly because it deals with a squad instead of a single guy retelling his story. There's still some obvious main characterism and ADB seems to only be able to write a single main character (dry sarcasm) but otherwise it's one of the books that I recommend everyone read.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Will he be the one to stand in the way of Abaddon at terra?

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Emberfire
Emberfire

Most people who are in this hobby don't play. Just look at this board. Only a handful actually play. Most people just want to paint and enjoy the hard work they put into their minis.

RavySnake
RavySnake

I like painting

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

That's great. Wanted to play generic CSM since the codex release but people tend to say that CSM are useless even in casual games and I have to run cultists. If daemons make them any better then I'm ready to run a mixed list just to field some spikey dudes
Depends on how competitive you want to be
Challenging opponent in casual games. Don't want to run OP stuff but on the other hand I don't want to make my opponent feel like (s)he was wasting time on playing a boring game against ultra-weak shit
I want to run generic CSM to have some fun with different marks of chaos and legions desu - running just the DG would be restrictive

RumChicken
RumChicken

thank you for the tips!

[spoilers] i also bought already a box of tscions because they are cool af, maybe i can mix both?? [/spoilers]

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

All they really need to do is up the min squad to five which is what's in the box. Everything else works that way. The three reapers thing is just a holdover from the past that needs to end.

TechHater
TechHater

Samefag here. Actually after thinking about it a bit more, a giant ballistarii ball can be used as an efficient CP spender, for a couple reasons.

1) Both the onager and ironstrider come with a data tether by default, so they get +2 from the protector stratagem. The extra +1 is wasted on the dunecrawler, which already goes to 2+. Moving ironstriders get the full benefit, and become more effective than the dunecrawler after popping the strat.

2) All the ironstrider's weapons are cognis. We have a strat for that. Laugh in the face of your opponent when he tries to tie them up with a rhino and eats 12 overwatch lascannon shots hitting on 3+.

3) For both of these strats, the fact that you can pile a bunch of ironstriders into 1 unit means more efficient use of your CP. You can use protector on the one unit every turn in most games. Compare to needing 4 CP per turn to affect an equivalent amount of dunecrawlers.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Because I like getting together with my friends at the clubhouse on a Saturday and enjoying a few beers and 40k is a great framework for that?

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Because 40k makes for a poor video game.

whereismyname
whereismyname

No I want to put models on my desk and get distracted and put them away and grumble about unpainted models so I buy more paint and start painting a model but feel overwhelmed and put them away until later.

I've had a Raider on my desk for the past 4 hours. Zero progress has been made. Help me. Please.

Supergrass
Supergrass

oh shit i put an S there for no reason ffs

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

I like painting them, looking at them, thinking about their little backstories, and even playing with them.
I didn't really like DoW that much.

Lunatick
Lunatick

I agree 100%, up the unit count to 5 and I'd honestly just hard cap it at 5, min and max.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

That's some nice praise. How relate-able are the dark eldar? I know they're torture junkies, but damn they gotta do something else.

Between the DE and their Warhammer fantasy counterpart, Malekith's gang feels a lot more fleshed out and a bit more human. They have the goal of making an empire and taking revenge on the high elves. I don't feel like the dark eldar have many goals besides stay alive and stay/get on top of the food chain in Commorragh.

Good to know, I'll look into those stories. I got the omnibus of Path of the Dark Eldar, and I think it has Masque of Vyle or Midnight on the Street of Knives.

Good to see I'm not the only one interested in DE.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

This.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Why spend thousands on plastic
But I bought only 2 start collecting boxes, spray primer and 10 pots of paint and that's all I will ever need

Spamalot
Spamalot

Me and my colleagues played a semi house ruled version of the fortress attack mission. 2 players with 4500 points defending (blangels + admech) versus 4550 attackers (The eight/farsight, Admech, nids). Admech on defenders is our groups waacfag/that guy , turn two the walls are teaming with nids, admech guy screaming how skitarri should be better versus hordes ( he takes rangers). Turn 5 its down to an onager of mine attacking dante in melee, onager gets flanked by lemartes and killed, turn 6 one dominus with axe and erad beamer , beams dante (he was on one wound) ,charges lemartes, kills him.

We lost on VP by 2, but that dominus will go down in legend.

viagrandad
viagrandad

Actual regular troop Chaos Space Marines are absolutely a terrible unit.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Only because he's hoping Abby will finally kill him.

iluvmen
iluvmen

Harlequins any fun? I want a fast deadly army, but DE are too edgy for my taste.

Techpill
Techpill

Wait for their book. Right now they're extremely limited.

Snarelure
Snarelure

Plastic wont be destroyed when an emp or cyber attack occurs. Much like war plastic is eternal.

SniperWish
SniperWish

The cap not so much. You have to think about what other armies get. Dark reapers don't exist in a vacuum. That being said, maybe having to pay for the krak missiles might be a good idea as well.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

The problem is upping them to 5 doesn't cure the 8-9 man Ynnari unit double shooting which is just as much of a problem as the 3 mans with reapers.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

tfw the resin piece of shit from FW finally comes together

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Spazyfool
Spazyfool

That's amazing. I love moments like that. One of my favorite moments recently was I had an Ogryn Bodyguard with a relic that when combined with a shield gives him a 2++ save. The bodyguard had 1 wound left. My opponent, who was also Guard, needed to get rid of him before he went and beat to death his character holding an objective he needed. He shot an entire Hellhammer at full BS at the Ogryn Bodyguard. Tanked it all, failing 1 save, which I then re-rolled into a save. After that was resolved he said, "Oh wait, the Hellhammer has a Lasgun too". So he fired that and I rolled a 1 to save against it.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

But helbrutes and daemons will help somehow, r-right?

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Gonna be painting my first minis soon (when they arrive) yet to order paints, though.

I got the SC! Dark Eldar box (old one) and have been pretty picky on what scheme I want them to go. I was thinking Kabal of the Flayed Skull being inspired by pic attatched. I heard white is a pain in the ass to do though, so any tips for doing it for a brand new painter?
Thanks dudes

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MPmaster
MPmaster

kek, you building a fire raptor?

takes2long
takes2long

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likme
likme

I don't disagree, but that isn't a reaper problem. That is an Ynnari problem.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

any tips for doing it for a brand new painter
Warhammer TV has some good newbie-friendly guides on painting white. The point is to not use white actually but paint different shades of gray

Techpill
Techpill

I still get PTSD flashbacks when I think of my Fire Raptor.

Emberfire
Emberfire

That winged snake pet she has wrapped around her wrist is absolutely adorable. And the model itself can easily be fixed by ooutting a helmet on her. The body is fine.

SniperGod
SniperGod

Definitely prime grey and work your way up to a lighter grey, leave actual white for highlighting and for the love of god only apply shades to recesses

SniperWish
SniperWish

That image is pretty perfect. Exactly what i was looking for. Thanks man

I've been watching through some Warhammer TV stuff but haven't seen the white armour video yet, I'll search for it specifically. Thanks!

WebTool
WebTool

Are the Eldar on a permanent nofap? Because I’m on day 3 and it fucking sucks...

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BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

buy the white primer spray, do the white with celestra gray, highlight with the white layer, use nuln oil with a thin brush and just put the shade in the recesses only (instead of all over the model)

Godspeed user
pic related, the last white model I painted.

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LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Yeah but they're not likely to change the core mechanic of Ynnari so the next fix is reapers.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Let me guess - corax white turned out to be fucked up?

Lunatick
Lunatick

That looks good. All the tips giving me confidence. Thanks for the good luck duder

Shade only on recesses, got it

Booteefool
Booteefool

All they really need to do is up the warp charge value of word of the phoenix.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

I don't know about that. I think Soulburst will become a Stratagem and Ynnari will have no way to recoup CPs. Problem solved.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

DE are basically Shadowrun styled antics turned to 11, crossed with some body horror, slapped with some game of thrones political power struggles. Oh and they’re murder pirates and they host Roman collide in style arena spectacles.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

I was hoping to pick some cheap off ebay on the off chance they are good when the book drops. Im just wondering if anyone here actually plays the darn things

takes2long
takes2long

That image is pretty perfect. Exactly what i was looking for. Thanks man
We've all walked your path before godspeed

askme
askme

If they do that I'd be entirely fine with it staying as is. Until such a time reapers are still an issue.

Inmate
Inmate

Hey, those doomglaives seem pretty rad. I didnt even know they existed, but cool shit. Do you think people would be ok using my „normal“ GK dreadnoughts as proxies?

Stormraven
Seems like its worth a shot. I‘ve never really liked the idea of them, since they seem so easy to kill if you only bring one. Plus the fact that they got nerfed in CA thanks to girlyman abuse lists. But that sounds fun.

Purgators are bad
Really? Thats kinda surprising to hear. But I guess you are right, a unit of Strikes does close enough damage in shooting and way better in melee.

Nice to hear that Paladins and Dreads still work somewhat decently. Now if only Land Raiders and Terminators could be decent as well I‘d be ecstatic.

Thanks for the answer, mate <3
Cheered me up :)

Methnerd
Methnerd

The tricky part is that white will really show any mistakes so you need to be really neat. Check out the Warhammer TV YouTube channel for good painting tutorials.

TreeEater
TreeEater

How much longer does he have?

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Evilember
Evilember

I've got about 1500 points of them, I rarely mess with them at this point because they're far too much glass, far too little hammer.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

The rule doesn't reference the detachment limit and doesn't specify an exception. It isn't a valid tournament option due to the format, if you want to use it play a format that allows it.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Heck no
Sporadic reminder that Eldar females need repeated insemination in over a period of time in order to conceive

eGremlin
eGremlin

Help what? The army as a whole, yeah. Help CSM not be awful? No.

JunkTop
JunkTop

More GMNDK
Keep the strikes
Get rid of everything else and soup it up with guard or something similar

You might not like it but thats how you will beat reaper spam/hive fleet soup.
Pure GK are bad and there isn't really a way around it with this codex.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Sure Chaos can have a go at anyone, but the impression I've gotten is that your own mental state means zippo when one of the Gods really brings their strength to bear, and Horus was maneuvered into a state where they could get at him more easily than usual.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Try searching for White Scars. I think the Novamarines tutorial will also show you a alternative drybrushed method of doing white that may be easier for you.

Supergrass
Supergrass

Nice. Put some washes/highlights on it and he’s good to go.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Yeah dude, it's the raptor.
when the wings and bolt cannon comes on

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Need_TLC
Need_TLC

That's like the opposite of true, Khorne has ONE gimmick in deep striking a fuckoff melee blob that gets an easy charge, aside from that he's shit.

Tzeentch and Nurgle both make better mono lists than Khorne.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Nah it says IF you take, not you MAY take. Its a terrible rule that will see no play in matched play.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

the Hellhammer has a Lasgun too

That's why it's my favourite variant

MPmaster
MPmaster

Yep, Im fuckin' pissed. Second pot and its still pure shit.

Honestly dont stress on it, the secret literally is not painting white over a black undercoat and you'll do great. Also, thanks

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Mono Khorne doesn't stand up at all. It has the Letter bomb and that's it. Tzeentch and Nurgle can stand alone but all of them are better when run together.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Me too. It's so cute.

takes2long
takes2long

tfw your newly finished FW flyer gets knocked off the table and hits the FLOOOOOOR

It's not a good feel.

iluvmen
iluvmen

Well, I will not tell you to play or not play vanilla CSMs, only wish you luck. I only know what I have read on here and the codex to be honest. It has been years since I played my army.

Inmate
Inmate

Well lads. I took the plunge and beefed up my Tyranid collection. Currently own

3 flyrants
1 swarmlord
1 broodlord
2 trygons
36 unassembled hormagaunts
3 ripper swarms
40 genestealers

What else should I pick up to round out my list. Planning on getting 24 termies so I can run 2 30 man blobs. The trygons are to pair with the genestealers for tunneling. And the flyrants are meant to be mobile cunts. Any tips for a newbie Tyranid player?

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lostmypassword
lostmypassword

That's how I feel with Necrons at the moment. When I bought my Orks it was after literally half an hour of holding both the Orks and Necrons start collecting boxes and going back and forth. I settled on Orks because I figured they'd be more effective, would have the better vehicles, and would get their codex first.

Guess the joke was on me!

Snarelure
Snarelure

Not sure. 7 CP is only 1 CP less than Battalion plus two Spearhead/Outrider/etc. If the Patrols give you want you want it's not a terrible option.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Termagaunts not hormagaunts sorry *

Emberfire
Emberfire

4 hours
Please. This armiger has been staring at me begging to be painted since Saturday.

RumChicken
RumChicken

Yeah but running 2 Battalions is cheap and easy with Dark Eldar (granted you have to take 4 of our currently suck ass HQs) and then you're looking at 9-10 depending on if you fill out the last slot.

StonedTime
StonedTime

damn that's a shame. Guess ill don the tight
black leather of DE

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Can cult units still be taken as troops with an appropriately marked lord?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

That may change with the codex mind you, its just the way the game has currently shifted makes them very difficult and not terribly rewarding to play.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Boys on Dakka were saying something about HQs on mounts, if that ends up being true I am buying like 80 Reavers and Hellions

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Yes and no.

If you take a World Eaters detachment Zerks are troops, Emperor's Children Noise Marines are troops. Plague Marines and Rubrics are troops in their respective codexes. It isn't about the lord but the legion.

girlDog
girlDog

Sweet Vect, please. I can only get SO erect.

viagrandad
viagrandad

Not based on a marked Lord, but in a pure <World Eaters> or <Emperor's Children> tagged detachment. For Nurgle and Tzeentch you just build out of the respective codex where the Cult guys are troops.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

mfw I have three of these I've yet to open.

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Methshot
Methshot

Right well then user should just do that, because cult units are actually decent compared to CSM squads

Emberfire
Emberfire

Would you guys recommend Corax White or Mechanicus Standard Grey to work up from? I'm in a fairly cold / humid part of the world and some people were saying Corax White can fuck up when it's like that, but I have no idea if they're right / no idea how the spray works so I'll defer to your guys judgement.

The Novamarines video uses the grey and the white scars use the white but they both look to be about the same level of white after paint is applied (tho that might be due to my monitors colour or shit, idk.)
Thanks dudes, know I'm asking a lot but I just wanna buy the right shit and not have to re-buy from fuckin it up.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Welcome to the Kabal trueborn.

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RumChicken
RumChicken

HQs on mounts
Guys, imagine, archon on ravager.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

give archon with wings so i can have the coolest scourge outrider detachment this side of commoragh

JunkTop
JunkTop

DAIS. OF. DESTRUCTION.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

You right, I run Noise Marines pretty often and even at competitive levels they're functional and I think Zerks are pretty well known (that said I do think the Letter bomb is better for the same general goal).

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Who are the best Sisters, and why is it Argent Shroud?

King_Martha
King_Martha

The Harlequin book is real soon. Should be a month or two at most. As it is they're pretty fun and have a unique style, it's just that few of the Index armies can really compete. Unless you need a whole army right NOW I'd wait. You could always grab a few harlies now and use them as allies if you decide to go DE down the road.

Bidwell
Bidwell

Either is fine. Just don't start with black.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Then you'd have all 3 powers being garbage. If they did that I hope they go back to letting you run ynnari with non-named char warlords.

hairygrape
hairygrape

I like Corax as a base, but I spray inside my house

Snarelure
Snarelure

i could do that, could always just find a big box and pray i don't fuck up so the wife doesn't beat me to death

alright, if either works that's all good. thanks guys.

Skullbone
Skullbone

My Sisters>Your Sisters

Anything else is heresy

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Lets say I got 150 usd to drop. What should I get?

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Narc

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TechHater
TechHater

I use the white and I'm in a relatively cold/humid part of the world. Puts a bit of a weird texture sometimes but its pretty okay once the fuckers are painted.

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CodeBuns
CodeBuns

so, is there a possibility that Mortarion has a STC in his possession?

DeathDog
DeathDog

*Crushes your stones*

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ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Hey anons I'm just finishing up my space wolves army and the news of plastic sisters got me interested in building them when they come out how can I make up some fluff for an order that uses a wolves color scheme I'm cheap and don't want to buy a bunch more paint

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Finally finished the trukk.

I feel like this thing will fall apart, so many of the fits feel tenuous.

Haven't glued down the boys yet, might not ever glue them in.

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Illusionz
Illusionz

As much as I'd love the Dais of Destruction back, I would give my last kidney for his personal transport from PotDE.

An enormous floating ziggurat bristling with darklight weapons, and an image of Vect's face projected on each side. It would just be this massive Titan sized slab of plastic with a shitty 3e Vect throne glued on top.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Sisters are almost all black, white, and red. You probably already have what you need.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

I feel like this thing will fall apart
That's propa orky, ya git.

w8t4u
w8t4u

YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR

likme
likme

A Troupe or two, a Starweaver and a Solitaire.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

What exactly is he?

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Emberburn
Emberburn

Hows this for an add-in?

2x Tempestor Primes
3x Scions w/ Volley
2x Scion Commands w/ Plasmas

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Some kind of warp entity like Celestine and LotD.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

A bitch.

Illusionz
Illusionz

do qt fenrisian werewolf sisters! AWOOO!

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Trips of Omen! Hold on to your butts Archons!!

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Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Do you mean "Chaos Space Marines" as just any power armored bois, or specifically the unit of that name?
Because Terminators, Oblits, Chosen, Bikes, all the cult units (except Rubrics), and Havoks are all varying degrees of serviceable depending on your legion, but the actual CSM troop unit is hot garbage no matter which way you shake it.

5mileys
5mileys

I'm interested to see what GW does with the Harlequin codex, since they were one off the smol armies like Scions.

massdebater
massdebater

base CSM tactical marine equivalent is garbage
there is no version of a tactical marine that is good no matter what side they join

Life as a tactical marine has been suffering for the last seven editions.

TreeEater
TreeEater

That's the idea but I'm trying not to come off as a retard lore wise considering the relationship between wolves and echlisiarcharchy

Firespawn
Firespawn

I wish that GW had done a little more to make the space vampires and werewolves actually feel like space vampires and werewolves on the table rather than just being two ever so slightly different flavors of human. The space elves, space dark elves, space orcs, and space skellies all feel like space versions of their fantasy counterparts, but not so with the vampires and werewolves. Why?

JunkTop
JunkTop

Wouldnt Harlequins be a good place to put Ynnari sub-faction? Different gods and all they seem to be a cohesive faction. I sure as fuck would put them there with a small set of units from Eldar codexes that can be taken together.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Do them as an inquisitorial color scheme since there is no fluff for a fenrisian sisterhood color scheme that isn't going to sound really thin. The sides just dislike eachother too much and the sisters wouldn't have prolonged contact with wolves and wolves don't usually leave a good impression.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

because they dont want to make it just fantasy in SpaAaAaaaAaaaAaaAce

they want warhammer 40k

Supergrass
Supergrass

what are the best Leman Russ variants? I think the executioner looks good, what say all yall?

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

They don't really mix at all user. Wolves are generally honorable and they'll work together for the good of the Imperium, but the Wolves and Fenrisians in general are real, real far from the Imperial Creed.

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Because that would be lame.

5mileys
5mileys

I really prefer the vampires and wolves NOT be dumb hollywood movie monsters. I like the greek tragedy rage berserkers a lot, and every piece of vampirism that gets in there makes it shittier.

The wolves are a lost cause. They're wolf wolves who hang out with wolves and come from a planet named wolf. It's insipid.

Bidwell
Bidwell

Yeah that's what I was afraid of I feel like just painting them like wolves would just come off as snowflake galore

Playboyize
Playboyize

wolves color scheme I'm cheap and don't want to buy a bunch more paint
i would stay away from that.
using the paints you have, you should choose a different main color, like red or black and use grey as minor color.

Or use silver as main color.
silver almost always work

Techpill
Techpill

Anyone who doesn't say Punisher is a pussy who hates fun.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Name a more based marine.

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RumChicken
RumChicken

If they didn't want fantasy in "SpaAaAaaaAaaaAaaAce" then they shouldn't have made that. They did though. And while several factions feel just right in terms of both fluff and crunch for being a space adapted version of a classical fantasy faction/race, others that are represented in the fluff are seriously lacking in the crunch. Why would GW go all the way with some factions but only half-ass it with others?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Why tabletop when you could join the PC Master race for less?
given the junk of pc i have now, it would not be so little as 60. nowhere near.
and in a few years i'd need another pc
many of my models are older than than.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

I wish that GW had done a little more to make the space vampires and werewolves actually feel like space vampires and werewolves on the table rather than just being two ever so slightly different flavors of human.
???

The Space Wolves are already too far pushed in that direction and need to be reigned back in a bit with Space Viking elements.

Blood Angels are pretty much just the right balance of vampire elements.

You sound like a faggot.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Any tips/unit suggestions for vanilla SM w/o Primaris and Bob? I just want to be able to have 50+% win rate. Don't care about which chapter.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

The Punisher is retarded and should never have been introduced.

Anyone who doesn't prefer the Vanquisher is a WAACfag.

viagrandad
viagrandad

SELECT * from $marine WHERE $name IS NOT cato sicarius

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Why do people let halfborn in their transports? Like do you want to get the seats dirty?

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w8t4u
w8t4u

I agree with you 100%, but actually having crunch match the fluff is very different from changing the theming to make the vamps and wolfs hollywood monsters.

Bidwell
Bidwell

They're meant to fill the whole "jack of all trades, master of none" roll, but they're priced as though they're "master off all" which is blatantly not true.

Fun fact: point for point, guardsmen will out-shoot marines (10 marines are 130 points, 30 guardsmen are 120). So you think ok, I'll engage them in honourable combat.

Then you remember that in CQC marines and guard have the same punch as their respective ranged weapons, so you're going to lose there as well.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

I'm interested to see what GW does with the Harlequin codex, since they were one off the smol armies like Scions.
so is custodes
and imperial knights
and to an extend Grey Knights
.....

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Wait and pray for a start collecting i say
the models are not that knew and crons and DE got a new one (with DE i am actually not sure if it replaces the kabalite one or supplements)

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Why did it take so long for GW to release battlesuits with separate hips?

I still have 4 waiting to be converted. Also, fuck the monopose legs and hands.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Oh... think we'll get an expansion to the model line? Even if they just release a new Great Harlequin/Avatar model that might be fun...

Lunatick
Lunatick

Exactly. Custodes got a bunch of new units and kits. Knights are getting new units and kits. Even TSons got new units from AoS.

So what will Harlequins get?

nothing because they're xenos

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Just started working on my Saint Mechanicus, the neck might be a but too big but i like it so far.

What conversions are you working on?

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CouchChiller
CouchChiller

I never understood this meme, why did anyone assume FB would instant death? Are people really that fucking stupid?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

It's been confirmed like 1 billion goddamn times that Ynnari and Harlequins are not getting lumped together.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

You sound like the stupid one. It was obviously joke from the moment it was created.

askme
askme

aesthetically, which regiment be most fitting for an army with Marcharius as warlord? he's an old model but I like him.

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Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Because he had it in 7th, and this was before we knew the rule was gone in 8th?

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Use 30k Solar Auxilia.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Crusading army of various regiments. At least Mordians, Catachans, Tallarn and Stormtroopers.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

space marine's specialty is their 3+ save on cheap bodies and the ability to carry a special weapon

Illusionz
Illusionz

Alpha striking is solved by placing more terrain on the table.

MPmaster
MPmaster

I was thinking of having two armored platoons(read: two groups of two tanks), each with one Vanquisher and one Battle Tank, for tank hunting, with the both of them having heavy bolters out the wazoo if infantry get too close. They'd be led by a Tank Commander in a Executioner. Pic Related is for a Steel Legion build. I was thinking of taking steel legion models and painting them in black trench coats and calling them The Iron Blood Veterans. Also, Sly Marbo because why not.

The idea is that the tanks will deal with the heavy hitting enemies and the Chimeras will deal with infantry, while their passengers get out to grab objectives and quickly huddle back in. The Vanguard Detachment zooms around operating operationally. The Sentinels are there to escort and support the Chimeras while hunting whatever heavy infantry there is. Only thing Im not happy about is the amount of infantry squads(probably not enough), but with all of these vehicles, Ill be fine.

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w8t4u
w8t4u

jquery go home we do COBOL here

Bidwell
Bidwell

Why is it scout>devastator>tactical? Why trust the heavy weapons with rookies?

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massdebater
massdebater

putting together Trukk kit for the first time
iz ork vehicle
you literally cant screw it up
if all else fails, add some strategically placed dirt or gubbins

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

It should have been immediately obvious that it would be.

Methshot
Methshot

6 Raveners if you want to experiment with the death from below stratagem and supply whatever units you please (warriors with deathspitters and dual boneswords we’re taken at adept icon and got 3rd place under joemungandr).
9-12 hive guard with impaler cannons.
Hive fleets leviathan kraken and jormungander were everywhere this past adepticon.
Juice took 3 geneatealer cult magos in a supreme commander detachment list to possess enemy heavies and use them against his opponent- nailed him 3rd place. He also used the hive guard spam to do tons of damage. Make sure they’re out of line of sight since hive guard have wallhacks and aimbot.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Vostroya
they have the most bling.

(or use him as inquisitor.....)

Skullbone
Skullbone

Rookies are the spotters without heavy weapons, once you cycle around you get to play with the heavy weapons.

Emberburn
Emberburn

They're hardly rookies at that point.

SniperGod
SniperGod

And yet people used it as a serious argument towards being afraid of 8th

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Because they don't trust them up close in full power armor. That's why Dev sergeants are all veterans to teach them to not be fuck ups.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

You obviously didnt build a shooty slaaneshi csm army.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Negative, the sarge is the most veteran member of a Dev squad. The truest rookies just carry bolters, the we're still rookies but not those guys carry the heavy weapons.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

You're right it should be assault before devastator.

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Booteefool
Booteefool

I like the look of that.

As the rules currently stand though, you're better off with battle tanks than vanquishers for tank hunting. They're actually statistically better at it.
Which is sad, 'cause the Vanq is my favorite Russ variant. I guess you could still go with the models and just count them as battle tanks until they hopefully get a buff.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

3+ save on cheap bodies
Irrelevant when you consider the volume of fire other armies bring to the table for equivalent points.

and the ability to carry a special weapon
Guard can carry a special weapon. So can orks, and DEldar. It's not unique.

5mileys
5mileys

But that wouldn't have been as funny you fucking sperg.

askme
askme

Doesn't make them not trash

Bidwell
Bidwell

rookies just carry bolters

That's what he said. They act as spotters and protection for the more experienced members.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

veekyforums.com/thread/58796442/games
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hairygrape
hairygrape

I want to actually see the vampire and werewolf aspects reflected on the table instead of just being cool (for the Blood Angels anyway) blurbs in the fluff. The Red Thirst and Black Rage are cool things, they should have wide-reaching mechanical pros and cons for all of the models on the table. Not just for one special dreadnaught.

I'll agree that the Space Wolf fluff has gotten way too hairy in recent years and toning the "wolf wolf" stuff back in favor of the viking raider stuff would be for the best. That said I want to see enraged berserkers racing for the frontline tearing into foes of mankind with tooth and claw.

If I were designing the Space Marines I would have made things like the Black Rage and Red Thirst standard to all of the chapters as well as stuff like wolfen being the result of candidates with poor genetics attempting to undergo the transformation into a Space Marine.

But I guess that's just my 2 cents.

TreeEater
TreeEater

scout>devastator>tactical?
its actually
scout>devastator>assault>tactical

why? because you have the marines master aspects of combat individually before you put them in the jack of all trades squads that need to know everything.

its worth remebering even a scout is still anhighly trained soldier before they actually reach a battlefield.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Which falls apart when you realize a 10 man squad with a missile launcher is 150 points which is the same cost as a leman russ with more wounds, twice the toughness, WAY more damage output, and more movement.

And it's not even all that good of a tank.

Tactical marines are an expensive speed bump with 0 damage output that performs every role badly for its cost.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Negative, the sarge is the most veteran member of a Dev squad
in my dev squads, thats the one who always dies....

eGremlin
eGremlin

Wrong.
MK3 and thunder armour has best helmet
MK3 takes home the prize of being best overall.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Okay.
Vanquishers are garbage. The Battle Tanks outstrip them in wounds done to every target in the game. If you really want that kind of AT take Annihilators with hull guns for 5 Lascannon shots. 4 S9 AP-3 D6 is infinitely better than 2 S8 AP-3 D6. Personally though I take all-rounder Battle Tanks because the BC can do good work if buffed correctly.

Tank commanders are amazing. They buff your accuracy from 50% to 77%. I recommend taking 2 and only putting the hull and turret guns on them, though, because they are ALWAYS the first tanks targeted. No use putting 30 extra points on a tank that gets alpha striked turn 1, and a backup commander is always useful.

happy_sad
happy_sad

Well. Now i have your army list on my phone. Thanks. I think?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Alright boys yesterday I ran this and got the two brothers out of the five man squad, lets try this again. So far we've got a Dark Angels Sniper, and a Flesh Tearer's close-combat expert.

In M41 somewheresomewherearcadia A filthy Eldar-xenos raiding party has setup a stronghold on an asteroid near a forgeworld. The Deathwatch has been called upon by Inquisitor Heab Rue to destroy this stronghold. Five brother-astartes are required for this task.

Dubs picks the chapter from the list, and the role in the squad

Wildcard: No ultramarines but a blackshield or another chapter not on the list can take it's place.

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Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

It really doesn't make sense that small, endangered squads are (effectively) immune to morale and large squads are vulnerable to it.

JunkTop
JunkTop

and large squads are vulnerable to it

Not the ones people actually take.

whereismyname
whereismyname

101/10

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

A Start Collecting box at most.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Make sure to clean the nozzle / shake the can for 4-5 minutes.

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New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Raveners if you want to experiment with the death from below stratagem

What's that? I love Raveners, the model is literally my favorite in the tyranid line, but I thought they sycked

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

theyre more useful when they die farther forward

WebTool
WebTool

If you pick Jormangandr you get a stat that allows you to have a unit join a unit of Raveners when they pop up like a Trygon but for a third of the price

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Fun things people like to use that can sometimes backfire;
Slaanesh Obliterators using Endless Kakaphoni
Basic, but in my Renegade list its a lot of fun to make my enemy choose between the rapidly advancing cultists and CC kitted units or the deep striking Oblits in thier backfield.
tfw it took 2 rounds of lascannon devastators shooting at them to finally kill the unit after it wiped a different Dev and Tactical squad, fully allowing the rest of my army to close the gap.

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