No one cares if it is slow. No one cares if it has "high fees" No one mentions how you can choose to pay lower fees, albeit the transaction will take much longer. But sometimes that is just fine. Moving 5 or 6 digits worth of USD around with a couple dollars is not possible otherwise. No one mentions how despite lacking all the bells and whistles of other tokens, that the other tokens have almost zero real life usage. Bitcoin is a tangible real tested asset that many people who actually matter can agree has value. Your random pajeet shitcoins no one has heard about is not respected outside of the smelly filth of your neet bubble. Bitcoin will reach 20k, 50k, and 100k within 2 years and there is literally nothing you can do to stop it. Bitcoin offers an asset that you can invest many thousands if not more worth of USD into with the conviction that it will be around in 2, 3, and 5 years from now. Bitcoin offers conviction you will not experience with pajeet shitcoins. You will never feel comfortable investing 100k into (another decentralize app platform with zero adoption). You will absolutely feel comfortable buying Bitcoin at literally any arbitrary point in time, knowing it will absolutely go up on a long enough time horizon. Bitcoin will exist after the world financial collapse that is planned to occur on or before 2020. Bitcoin only dies if humanity dies. Your shitcoins die once whales and their pajeet bottom feeders stop shilling them.
If you do not own BTC, LTC, ETH, or LINK you will not make it long term. Everything else These are the first movers in the 4 main axes of human communication: 1) store of value 2) commerce 3) utility 4) cross-compatibility
Now fuck off to your Chinese exchanges you access with your VPN, sell at a loss, and buy some real coins.
Dylan Lewis
Hijacking
This thread is now about how we rename buttcoin to normiecoin. >dat filename
Anthony Hill
There has been a massive influx of normie fags this past few months, few know big time traders measure there profits in BTC for a real fucking reason
Nicholas Rivera
>If you do not own BTC, LTC, ETH, or LINK you will not make it long term. >BTC, LTC, ETH, or LINK >LTC
Noah Cooper
please Pajeet, tell me which shitcoin I should invest in instead!
Charles Edwards
Everyone talks about how slow BTC is but I don't think they realize how much lightning network, channel factories, Schnorr signatures, will improve the transaction times/costs. There are lots of rich autists working on improving BTC scaling 24/7 and people really underestimate that.
Caleb Baker
this is why 98.7% of assets are holding bitcoin the rest is fun money to ride the ups and downs
Henry Williams
>implying it's acceptable to pay more and wait longer than needed to move money based on name recognition alone >implying there are no viable alternatives to BTC for moving large sums of money quickly and cheaply >implying BTC isn't going to collapse this year as more advanced platforms gain traction and its lack of scalability becomes a business-critical problem
Jeremiah Sullivan
also name one other coin that has a fucking satellite
Adrian Morgan
first > its not. this is why solutions are being worked on by very smart and wealthy people to resolve this. second > there are, but you must choose either fast and expensive (% relative to amount moved) or slow and not as expensive, where as with BTC you can choose slow and cheap (orders of magnitude less %). third > if youre business planning time horizon relies on BTC to function in some meaningful way in 2018 that is not readily available otherwise then you business was doomed to fail despite BTC (because the business owner is fucking retarded)
yes there are many cool tidbits about BTC I failed to mention like this. pretty badass desu.
Jaxon Lewis
>Pajeet Close, but not quite...
Dominic Ward
>LINK
Austin Stewart
>If you do not own BTC, LTC, ETH, or LINK you will not make it long term. >LINK >L >I >N >K
Grayson Green
>you must choose either fast and expensive (% relative to amount moved) or slow and not as expensive Or, you know, you could choose fast and cheap.
Andrew James
the only other things close to LINK are pie in the sky delusional projects like IOTA
so you tell me
Isaac Lewis
>LINK
8/10 nice try
Jack Perry
You’re delusional if you don’t think that REQ could replace LTC for commerce. And you’re also neglecting niche uses of coins and tokens like in the case of FUN, XMR, XLM, ENG, and many others.
Julian Bailey
>Bitcoin will 5x within 2 years Uhhh.. Cool... Let me just check my delta........ >Each coin has 5x in the last month Oooh ahah hah ehehehe ehhehehee lololh ahahaha ahdfkfas
Justin Stewart
you can do that now with coins that are not accepted at most meaningful places of commerce, or with cash, or with digital cash like paypal.
you cannot do that currently with bitcoin.
in the future we can, and it wont be a choice, it will be the default experience. (meaningful segwit implementation, LN, etc)
Daniel Phillips
Lightning network is vaporware. Thats why most of the old school bitcoiners are in BCH
Logan Barnes
Already happening. BTC is basically dead in ecommerce.
Cameron Scott
what are the absolute returns? did you put in any real amount of money for those 20x, 100x, 5000x shitcoin returns? or were they perhaps 100 dollar lottery tickets you forget you even had that will amount to a month's worth of living expenses at best? you missed the fact that you will not invest 1million into a random shitcoin with conviction, but would feel more at ease doing so with something like BTC or ETH.
Jace Torres
What happens when the big blocks get full?
Mason Rivera
>big time traders measure there profits in BTC for a real fucking reason
And that reason is because most exchanges only have a BTC market.
What about when people en-masse start using decentralized exchanges built on Ethereum? Probably not so great for BTC at that point.
Brody Edwards
BCH doesnt reject layer 2 solutions. They just chose to not be an unusable shitcoin in the meantime. Ligning isnt coming before 2019 by the way.
t. actual coder who knows LN is an overly complex shitshow
Matthew Peterson
>most exchanges only have a BTC market.
i wonder why
James Martin
this is not true
old school bitcoiners are split and both sides have good points
Jayden Lopez
yea im a fuckin millionaire bro thats why i spend all my time on Veeky Forums like you
Angel Hernandez
I'd feel more at ease going all-in on a moon mission and waiting a couple weeks to 5x my money than waiting forever watching Bitcoin oscillate downwards.
Jordan Barnes
then we fork to bitcoin cash part 2 the electric boogaloo duh
Owen Clark
Because they are shady shit exchanges that dont want to deal with regulation on having fiat pairs for 200+ scamcoins.
Jason Stewart
1. People do care if its slow. I love moving 20Gs and its being dust in the wind for a day or two. This is the fucking forefront of technology were talking about here, the evolution of money. I can move 2. Who the fuck doesnt care about high fees. If there are 40 shitcoins from india that move my money faster for less you should be very fucking worried. 3. When is the last time you paid with something in BTC, who was the last major commerce hub that started accepting it.
SELL ME THIS FUCKING COIN. Seriously, besides it being the first...people are entering the crypto space so quickly right now and learning about everything else. Sell me this coin, what is it good at.
Jose Rodriguez
Hi Roger
Landon Gutierrez
I have $150k in a shitcoin that went 10x, but I can't cash back into BTC without crashing the whole thing.
Brayden Hernandez
Just use the real bitcoin, user.
Brandon Harris
The beauty of this space is nobody needs to sell you shit, BTC is going to remain king for the foreseeable future regardless of your ignorance/low quality bait
William Lewis
It is good at tricking people into believing it is good. also 260bn market cap so plenty of room for huge gains!!!111!!!1
James Collins
Lightning is coming out this year, and they are already successfully running test transactions so it's clearly not vaporware. Any retard can be a coder(who even calls themselves "coders" lmfao) so those are meaningless credentials
Hudson Jones
its the only coin on the market that isn't controlled
nuff said
Dylan Carter
You must know newcoiner.
t. in since 2012
Angel Rivera
They haven't even solved routing on the Lightning "network". You can send back and forth btc in a channel with the party you created the channel with but actually routing that transaction to a third party multiple hops removed from you is not solved.
Ethan Rogers
grow up man
people get into bitcoin for different reasons
people like you and roger ver got into bitcoin to make fast cheap payments. and thats fine
other people got into bitcoin for decentralized money.
Evan Miller
It sucks, I stopped owning ETH because I don't like ruskis but then I poured a lot into LINK and feel like a hypocrit. Maybe I will buy a small amount.
Isaac King
>Limited nuclear war breaks out in Southeast Asia >EMP strikes knock out power and fry networks for hundreds if not thousands of miles from the target areas >Exchanges go down as Internet is lost and hardware is cooked from extremely high amounts of microwave radiation that even a piss-ant sized bomb can deliver >Billions of dollars in cryptos are lost, never to be recovered
Ethan Rogers
THIS COIN IS EVERYTHING YOUR MOTHER WISHED YOU WERE
Angel Perry
>nuclear war breaks out >still worried about Crypto
So this is the power of Capitalism?
Lucas Roberts
I'll take "Failure To Grasp Simple Abstract Concepts" for 1000, Alex
Josiah Evans
Here's my pitch: first mover advantage for a thing that appreciates greatly in value vs fiat compared to literally all other investment vehicles maybe besides criminal enterprise, and lottery.
What are people learning about? That 99% of tokens are app platform tokens, or sub tokens there of? That most developers are trying to get rich by developing the tool that other developers use to make useful things (which no one is). That 99% ERC20 tokens and their counterparts on other platforms are clearly get-rich scams, profiting the "inventors" most, and following a greater fool theory down into oblivion? That these projects all have beyond out of control scope that cannot be surmounted by mortal hands within any reasonable time frame?
They're learning nothing.
Gavin Parker
>the absolute state of corecucks If Lightning ends up working perfectly - which is a big if - only banks and megacorps will be able to run proper nodes, brainlet.
Wanna run a major Lightning node that has channels with 1000 users that put in 0.5 BTC on average? That would be 500BTC please. Oh and comply with your countries KYC regulation please.
Oliver Price
As usual no rebuttal from corecucks.
>mfw in 2 months when BTC hits 5k
Cooper Edwards
dude bcash is only marginally better for payments than btc and it is way more centralized
it's one of the shittiest altcoins on the market
if you would open your eyes you could be getting in on these sick altcoin gains instead of shilling of shitty coin like bcash while roger cums on your face
Jordan Gonzalez
sorry you forgot to add 5. XRB instant, free, scalable. Ppl won't pay for $30 transaction fees when they know XRB offers $0 fees
Wyatt Lewis
You are fucking retarded. t.actual coder and consultant with a computer science PhD
Ian Fisher
You can’t call it vapourware when it’s an actual working product now.
Jason Williams
liquid.io doesn't seem to have a problem hosting a gazillion fiat pairs.
Lucas Brooks
As expected no rebuttal in this post. You cant claim decentralization as your talking point while supporting LN which nodes can only be run by banks in practice. You repeated HURR CENTRALIZED which is of course not true since BCH can and will call on all the sha256 miners out there (all of Bcores miners). And centralization due to blocksize wont happen for years until which point actual, non banker, layer 2 solutions can and will be implemented while stying 100% functional until that point.
>it's one of the shittiest altcoins on the market By saying this you directly rape your earlier post since bch is the same as bitcoin except with working transactions. BitcoinCore is the shittiest coin in the market. Alts cant take its place yet as actual ecommerce needs a coin that is battle tested for 9 years. At some point an alt will take over but for now it will be actual bitcoin.
Dude Im not even trying to convince you I've been in this since 2012 and already a multi millionaire. Its just cringy seeing newbies cling to the fake segwit bitcoin for price alone. Core literally can't win this, Im sorry you bought after the fork.
Carson Rogers
They haven't even solved routing on the Lightning "network". You can send back and forth btc in a channel with the party you created the channel with but actually routing that transaction to a third party multiple hops removed from you is not solved.
Dominic Reed
Hi Roger
Jaxon Barnes
lol wtf are you talking about
bitcoin is literally the only decentralized coin on the market. that makes it the best in my book
i exited my free bcash at 0.2. if it goes higher than that i dont really care because i already made way more profit from other alts than i would have by holding bcash
Nathaniel Brown
Roger got in in 2011.
Ryder Jones
Pie in the the sky. So tell me.... Why would the United Nations and the world economic forum be interested in IOTA? Hmm stay poor faggerito
Isaac Nguyen
going to burn through 17k
Grayson Scott
>bitcoin is literally the only decentralized coin on the market >Controlled entirely by one dev team under Blockstreams whip >Core directly engaging in massive censorship on all big forums >developing lighting "network" while ruling out 100% of all other scaling options >LN nodes can only be run by banks and megacorps in practice Whew, much decentralization
Zachary Howard
Phd in math here Make 300k any job I want
Lincoln Wright
hes sold all his bitcoin by now, thats why he's been pumping alts so badly and trying to cause so much trouble for bitcoin. he's never shown any proof of his bitcoin holdings for the past couple of years now.
Ayden Green
>blockstream fud
debunked so many times lol zzzzz
Ryder Fisher
So maybe I'll be able to mine btc on my 480. Sweet
Owen Lee
if you think it'll go up forever then it'll never become a currency therefore ur original point is null u useless faggot
Liam Nguyen
...
Nicholas Wilson
good, fast, cheap.
>pick 2.
Nathaniel Mitchell
>lowly cuckold thinks hes entitled to proof of based vers holdings
lmao nice arguments normie
Grayson Gutierrez
You are right, Bitcoin is an asset. But please don't use the "it'll go up forever!" argument. There'll be a point in the future where the value of Bitcoin will plateau off. This is good however as it'll actually encourage spending Bitcoin rather than hoarding it.
RaiBlocks covers all three.
Daniel Harris
Of course it wont become currency. Corecucks fall for and pivoted to the store of value meme.
Julian Ortiz
>calling people cuckolds >literally ver's bitch online i never asked for proof, he just doesn't own any bitcoin anymore. simple.
Andrew Rodriguez
old school bit coiner here... BCASH is for
1. faggots
2. n00bn00bs
3. shills.
Ryan Miller
Why don't you show bitcoin as its grown in absolutes instead of the percentage against the entire crypto market? I don't think anyone is expecting BTC to be the entire crypto market... Kind of a strawman argument.
Sebastian Collins
>RaiBlocks cheap and quick, maybe
Grayson Reyes
Fuck it hurts
Parker Morgan
> 98.7% of assets are holding bitcoin
Did you leave out a word?
Nathan Barnes
lel. If he sold half his BTC he would have 100k BTC and 300k BCH now
Dominic Brown
u r retard I am post-doctoral data science and u r dumb t. actual faggot shitposting on Veeky Forums
Easton Adams
Bitcoin would easily still be 50%+ if it were to actually function. Blind BTC followers should imagine for a minute about where the price would be if bitcoin still had 1 cent 10 min transactions, if Core hadn't intentionally crippled it. Since all they care about is price
Gavin Ortiz
he's got the typical late-adopter mindset.
he already sold it all, and he got a lot more bcash than that for it.
but really, if youve been in bitcoin for as long as you claim (you haven't) then you wouldn't give a shit about bitcoin or bcash because you're already rich enough to not give a shit. the fact that you have spammed this thread with so much political/propaganda shit for bcash means you're desperately trying to make money pumping/dumping coins.
you\re not fooling any of us real early adopters with this amateur hour shit.
Asher Stewart
>Your shitcoins die once whales and their pajeet bottom feeders stop shilling them. yes those will die, the good shitcoins will not
Adam Perry
You the Market Maker now. Play God and run over weak hands
Joshua Myers
no dude you dont understand
hes a multimillionaire who trolls Veeky Forums and has dozens of roger ver and bcash propaganda memes on his computer just because he's trying to save his Veeky Forums bros from blockstream
Dylan Lopez
always buy food and ammo before crypto
Gavin Rodriguez
Whew still no arguments. Literally every time with corecucks. Like pottery
I went against the grain 2012 by going into btc when people would laugh about it. Now normies are piling into failing slowcoin BTC and I have no qualms about backing the right horse again despite ill informed laggards opinions.
>muh rich people don't use the internet meme
Hudson Gutierrez
t.University of Phoenix Grad
Joseph Jenkins
Happening
Evan King
nobody "uses" crypto dumbass
i bounce around between alts for huge gains
but everyone will always come back to bitcoin in the end because it's the decentralized king
nobody feels safe with a coin controlled by roger ver and that mining chink
Nathan Morris
>miners need an incentive to actually uphold the authenticity of the network vs fucking off to mine some random pajeet shitcoins
wow what shocking viewpoint someone better get that madman in restraints
Gabriel Rogers
fast and cheap comes with the cost of your investment tanking 30%
Cameron Edwards
my bad, its so obvious now!
arguments for what? you havent posted shit worth arguing about, just a bunch of memes and claims of being an early adopter (which no bcash shills can ever prove, surprise).
and if you were early into btc you should realize that bcash is under no circumstance ever going to take over bitcoin, they're both using 10 year old code bases, and only one is interested in moving forward with scalability, while the other is concerned only with capacity.
if there was ever an exodus from bitcoin, it would never be to a clone of bitcoin, no cash, no litecoin, no dash, none of that old shit. it's so blindingly obvious anyone who argues otherwise has to be trying to pump their own shit.
Kayden Price
>I bought in Q4 2017, the post Brainlet, we used to measure BTCs success in actual business adoption. Just a year ago you could pay for countless goods and services online and even IRL in some places and especially Japan. All that is completely dead. Tere is no coin with real ecommerce adoption anymore due to BTC.
Levi Phillips
and yet there are more transactions now than ever before. regardless of how satoshi titled his whitepaper, bitcoin from the very beginning was simply not designed with mass transaction capacity in mind. it's obvious to anyone who has even looked trivially at it's architecture.
Elijah Sanders
No one cares you make a lot less money if you hold BTC either lol
Dylan Hughes
>quick maffs Who makes more money? Miner that mines a block with 1000 TPS and 50 cent fees per tx or miner that mines block with 11 TPS and 30$ fees per TX.
Sebastian Cooper
I would link the posts satoshi himself made on this but whew lad.
BTC was planned for global adoption from the getgo
Aaron Rivera
fees are overshadowed by the block reward in most cases, and a decentralized network still carries more value that a much smaller centralized one. that's also ignoring the fact that bcash is in another universe from having 1k transactions/s and 50c fees. nobody is using it.