Bitcoin vs Bitcoin Cash

news.bitcoin.com/coingeek-announces-funding-the-electron-cash-development-team/ this one might be real folks

Honestly I think Bitcoin Cash would have performed much better if it weren't for Roger Ver

He is a total embarrassment and has done more harm to BCH's cause than "corecucks" FUD

Someone please answer this for me.
user was talking about segwit being cracked or gamed or something.

"Well I have to say if this is the case, "Unlikely" means it will definitely happen. Especially when there is 400 million just sitting there waiting to be taken. If there is the REMOTEST possibility it will happen 100% for sure.

So let's say that is the case. The public will learn that 400 million Bitcoin where stolen from the blockchain.
That's it for crypto as a whole. it's all over 100%
No one will ever trust any code ever again. The public will never invest in ANY coin. Not BCH, Not ETH, not anything at all that isn't back by the power of the government.
So I have to ask myself. What is the purpose of BCH pushing this narrative ? It makes no sense at all on any level.

You think if BCH is right and bitcoin fails because everyone with a segwit address gets BTFO, that everyone will just flock to BCH ?

Yeah no, that would be the end of all blockchain for a generation.

Instead of fudding you better be helping Bitcoin find a solution for the BTC chain instead of shilling BCH."

>cheap
>smart contracts
>privacy features

byteball, I told you. it's faster and cheaper and has smart contracts.

take it as your true-bitcoin-which-is-useful then if it makes sense in value of bitcoin.
you just don't understand the idea of bitcoin.

lol.

>falling for the DAG meme
no thank you

Hope farmers make 51% attack on bch and it's finally over.
tired.

>Instead of fudding you better be helping Bitcoin find a solution for the BTC chain instead of shilling BCH
Cashies don't care, they are willing to burn down 99% of other cryptos if there was even 1% chance of their shitcoin going 2x

true crabs in a bucket mentality

>falling for bcash-is-easy-to-use meme

I could use monero for privacy reasons and speed.
it's pow just like you want.

Why don't you say the same shit about Greg Maxwell or Luke Jr? They are way worse than Ver

And bitcoin cash has way bore leading figures than buttcoin

We already had the solution: bigger blocks
But bitcoin core cucks don't want that because it fucks up their business fee model

Yes and no. Yes, Roger Ver caused some troubles with its attitude but honestly, I would do the same if I was him. It's better to be trashtalked than when nobody talks about you. Same with coins. He knows the technology behind BTC just as we do and he invested hard. He's just a businessman. And he loves media. That's it.
But yeah, it would be better if the Winklevoss twins said something about BCH. I get your point.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=UP1YsMlrfF0

This kills the verpuppets

"Attackers" lol, it's obvious in retrospect that Karpeles let Ver withdraw while everyone else was locked out in return for reading his script. Ver was behind classic, unlimited, xt, etc., and obviously just wants to be in control. Now that he has his own failing fork, all he can do is talk about BTC.

your bch is still SLOW. it's slower than ltc, doge, monero, slower than most alts.
and fees are low because people don't use it.

I don't mind if btc makes blocks bigger if it helps for a while but it's not that important.

you're making drama like if slowness was something death-important for btc to stay btc.

as said, then ltc would kill btc 6 years ago being faster.

Here we go again...

applies to most alt holders talking shit about btc, too

Bitcoin Cash is fine

It's cheap to use and is better secured than other forks.

I don't get why you would hate it. It's cheap.

I am just trying to understand if there is any truth that BTC segwit could be spent by miners like they are fudding, because if it's true, BCH don't win. Everyone loses.
They can't believe that if segwit fails and a billion dollars goes missing , that somehow benefits BCH..

that's delusional. Of course bitcoin would immediately be hard forked back to before the stolen segwit occurred, ala the ETH DAO debacle.

Their arguments make zero sense.

Nice argument!

>cheap
no its not. LTC does the job better at 1/10 the price, as this user said

>(bcash)
kek fuck that shitcoin trash

inb4 marketcap. Ok 1/3 the price..

see I know you already readed it but It explains it pretty well.
SegWit doesn't read the signatures so that's a potential flaw if a 51% occurs.
Just don't use SegWit. Move it to a non-SegWit address and you'd be fine forever.

Slow? It has 0-conf, its faster than all those shit coins.

Bitcoin is a peer to peer currency, your BTC is not the real bitcoin. People are starting to realize that

Honestly these bcashers are the worst. Paging drawfags we need some Wyatt Mann/Ben Garrison edits to handle this infestation.

ATENTION EVERYONE

GREEN IDS = YOU WILL HAVE NICE ARGUMENTS FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR EVERY TIME YOU SHILL YOUR COIN
RED AND PINK IDS = ALL YOUR ARGUMENTS WILL BE UTTER SHIT FOREVER
ALL THE OTHER COLORS = YOUR ARGUMENTS WILL BE FOREVER MEDIOCRE

Litecoin has a 1MB max. block size too.
>What is adoption?

>Just don't use SegWit. Move it to a non-SegWit address and you'd be fine forever.
but that isn't true.
If Segwit is stolen and it is very clear that it is flawed, it will be MtGox times 100.

Every single coin out there will get demolished in two days!

You think we will be able to explain to the normy world or to the worlds new organizations, that this only affects BTC and not other coins ?

The whole fud over Segwit is insane. If Segwit can be stolen.. every coin is equally fucked.

IF BCashers really believe this as fact, why are they not trying to help the core chain ? If it fails, everything fails..

I can't believe this fud for a second.

could that be because the number of bcash users (2) is underwhelmed only by the number of bcash devs (1)?

I lol @ the fact that as the crashening continues, Calvin Ayre will be able to flip BTC and BCH alone with his billions of dollars.
But he won't because he wants to accumulate.
We won't see the flippening until Q4 2018, but buy would I have stocked up on BCH by then. Target goal : 210 BCH

SegWit has an adoption of a 20% addresses right now. That doesn't means those addresses have BTC in it. It's just not profitable to make a 51%... yet.
Like the other user said:
That it hasn't happened already doesn't mean it's not ever going to happen.
And I don't think SegWit is going to reach even a 50% adoption rate at this point. Lightning network is a joke on itself.

My goal is 21.

>BCashers really believe this as fact, why are they not trying to help the core chain ?

Because bcash wants to see everything and everyone fail because they failed. They’re like the crazy suicidal bitch that got spurned and now they’re worshiping the devil and talking to themselves to try and drag everyone else down

>Every single coin out there will get demolished in two days!
Emergency hard fork reverting ownership with 100% adoption by anyone who isnt a croook. Job done.

kek

>its faster than all those shit coins.

it's not, but I guess you know it.
you always have to wait for a next block and if your transaction didn't find a place in it then you're waiting more and more. it doesn't happen now BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T USE IT.

so now it's "sometimes fast and sometimes 10 minutes". well, it's not bad but there are many coins faster and cheaper.

but it's not the point.
would you become a fanboy of any faster/cheaper coin than bcash is?

just answer.

if yes, then there are such coins.
if no, then why you're fucking try to use it as an argument?

What are your price predictions?

Wut. 0-conf is way faster than those coins. Is almost instantaneous.

So is bitcoin core faster because many people use it? Kek you don't know what yours talking about bro

>0-conf is way faster than those coins. Is almost instantaneous.

WHAT!&!&

>So is bitcoin core faster because many people use it? Kek you don't know what yours talking about bro

!!^#^@^#^$

Do you know why Litecoin is faster than Bitcoin on a technical level?
4x the total supply
10/4 minutes per block (2.5 minutes)
But still a 1MB blocksize so if mass adoption happens... same problem with fees.

I agree that is what will happen.. but can you imagine the fallout ?
Governements would instantly ban Bitcoin and crypto.

These BCasher are flippin insane to wish this or to be putting this out there as fud.

same question to you.

>would you become a fanboy of any faster/cheaper coin than bcash is?

>if yes, then there are such coins.
>if no, then why you're fucking trying to use it as an argument?

Yeah slashes your tires and then cuts her wrists because she lost her job because you coudln't drive her to work.
They are seriously nuts.

Name those coins using blockchain, with cheap transactions, largely scalable and with a working product. Please do, I'll do research.

OC

What fallout? Here's your chance. What, word for word, do you think CNN & CNBC will say to their audiences? And what percentage of said of audience will understand AND care?

These are the early days still. If you answer above is "2%" or more, then you you've misunderstood basically everything.

oops, forgot to crop

you didn't answer.
still.

will you forget your bcash saying it's a useless shitcoin because another coin is faster and/or cheaper?

I'm interested in any blockchain-based coin (no tokens please) with cheap fees, scalable and with a working product. I already said yes. Tell me those coins.

Then I guess I don't understand anything and you understand it all.

Headline

1 Billion stolen from Bitcoin
Bitcoins algorithm cracked. No longer viable.

SegWit addresses stolen, the rest remains the same.

the absolute state of BTC cucks argumentations

>SegWit addresses stolen, the rest remains the same.

You really believe that is how that would be presented to the world ?

There would be a panic. People would not know if their Bitcoin is Segwit or not.
The doors to sell Bitcoin would be rushed.
People would start to sell their alts minutes afterwards, "just in case"

Hell my doctor has over half her net-worth in Crypto and almost all of it in Litecoin.
She has no idea what segwit is, but she sure as hell knows how to sell.

>Bitcoins algorithm cracked
If that were remotely true, the headline would be "Russians can read everything": what protects bitcoin also protects .mil comms.

Simple question: do you believe TLAs would reveal they can read RussoComms or SinoComms in order to bring bitcoin down? My answer is No. And for that reason there will be no headlines, there will be no "bans" as they dare not admit to having the means of enforcement.

We're on the same page, but for different reasons I think

The problems with Bitcoin Segwit are only indirectly associated with blocksize. Segwit is the real issue and you can't reverse that. It's why Bitcoin Cash split before Segwit. With Segwit you remove the fraud proof nature of the blockchain and open it up to many mining attacks that make it technically possible (though very hard) to make fraudulent transactions. Since Bitcoin Cash doesn't remove the signatures from transactions you cannot make fraudulent transactions.

Here, have a nice "what if 51% attack" thread:
twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/955482751750361088
It's a must.

Dogecoin. It already sees more transactions than bcash and has been around for years :^)

you faggots do realize that BCH is never going to overtake bitcoin, do you? it may rise with it but it will never have it's official brand that Bitcoin despite having the better technology which normies couldnt not give less of a fuck about

Yeah of course, I don't have a crystal ball and don't know what the exact outcome of a Bitcoin wide segwit faliure would be, but it certainly wouldn't be positive.

So I just don't understand this BCash fud campaign against Segwit. Who does it profit ?
Is anyone saying, OH SHIT !! I better sell all my Bitcoin and put it into Bcash..

Segwit thinks if they keep repeating same shit over and over it will be ok, sounds more like the fake news cnn channel also soon to be brought down too!

But its not better technology. YOU are the fucking normie.

more oc

This is literally fake news. Segwit was a soft-fork (not technically a fork because it is backwards compatible), Bcash was a hardfork with replay protection.

Wow another 1MB coin

that's a rough draft faggot they already changed it kek
so I guess since you dumb niggers use that to say which one is the true bitcoin, you can never say bcash is the true bitcoin again right?

Wow. Charlie Lie is full of shit. Those prices are t right, the hash rates aren't right, and it totally fails to acknowledge the exact same stakeholders who do the majority of sha256 mining are the ones that created the BCH hard fork to begin with, and they have 500 percent or so more mining power than even this retarded comparison accounts for. Of course they're not going to attack their own fucking project, and even if anyone else managed to muster the hash power to do so they would then effortlessly defend it.
He doesn't even seem to notice they fucking g manufacture the asic he holds up as a bulwark for his own shitcoin. I use the term "his own" loosely given he has divested himself entirely.
Why is the core side always so fucking simultaneously idiotic and dishonest?

Goalposts.

the jew: roger ver
his pet: jihan

>make segwit a softfork
>because if it was a hardfork core would be orphaned

Funny how they made it a softfork to avoid a "contentious hardfork" but now every core shill brigades anyone who doesn't use segwit. Makes ya think, huh?

>I already said yes.

you didn't say that (now you did).
so all the value of so-called-tru-btc is in its speed and cheapness?

it's hard to compare bcash speed with because there is no such thing. as I said you are ALWAYS WAITING FOR A NEW BLOCK. new block is 1 time in 10 minutes.
if your transaction didn't find a place in it you have to wait for the other.

trying to use bcash for everyday uses is sensless because it would be like:
> a cup of coffee please
> ok, 2 rogevertoshi
> (making transaction)
> (waiting)
> (5 minutes later) it's ok, just waiting for a new block
> (more 5 minutes later)
> ah too much transactions today let's wait another 10 minutes
> (10 minutes later) fucking whales!!! reeee!!! OK ANOTHER BLOCK IS MINE!

this is how bcash works. its speed depends on the size of current transactions and even if you are the only one making a transaction sometimes it will take 10 minutes to make it.

so near every POS coin is faster in that whay.

yes, it IS faster than btc. but it's still useless for world wide adoption for everyday uses.

and btc value is not about being useful for buying a coffee.

can anyone here translate tard to english?

More daily headlines of Bitcoin failing support with merchants and adoption, stick your head in the sand if you want.

Here's One Reason Why Bitcoin Is In Freefall

forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2018/02/02/heres-one-reason-why-bitcoin-is-in-freefall/#7c17468f67c8

>unironically citing boomer-mag forbes as authoritative
kys cashie

>media fud on bitcoin being anything other than bullish in the long term
New to the game bruh?

The fact that dogecoin is used more for transactions than bitcoin cash says all you need to know

Your lobotomy doesn't mean the mathematics of hashing power are invalid, shitcock.

That's not exactly how it works. A new block is being mined (empty). The transactions go through (unconfirmed).
>Send 0.01 BCH
>Instantly recieve 0.01 BCH unconfirmed
>Coffee
>Wait ~10 minutes maximum (otherwise, the blocksize is raised)
>Coffee shop can move that 0.01 BCH now
You will never wait more than 10 minutes because it's hardcoded to "autofork".

Still waiting for that supercoin you said it exists btw, legit curious

Bcash? Is that a fork of that Bitcoin Trash everyone's been warning me about?

>What is lifetime?

1) Nobody uses Bitcoin for anything other than mostly a store of value because spending something that's limited in amount and goes up in value is retarded as fuck when you can use fiat for that just fine and actually spend the shitty money that goes down in purchasing power: fact

2) Given 1, it's stupid to centralize the network with huge nodes (inb4 Peter R, Andrew Stoner, Fakesatoshi, CIAndresen, Fyookball or any other USG drone pretending to argue otherwise) so niggers can use Bitcoin to buy KFC.

3) The people that matter (that have most of the money) is going to use the most decentralized network and the oldest one (certainty and censorship resistance above fast and cheap transactions, and no other coin can ever claim Bitcoin's track record unless you have a time machine and launch it before Bitcoin's blockchain starts making history) to store their trillions out of government's reach as traditional tax havens die (see Common Reporting Standard) and not the cheapest one, which would be any shitcoin for that matter.

4) Given 3, nobody that matters cares about forks, Core, segwit, LN or somesuch.

5) Nobody wants to fork BCash or any other shitcoin but Bitcoin, and by holding Bitcoin you get for free all these shitcoins, giving you yet another reason to hold it (forks which you dump for more Bitcoin, as idiot's BTCs are reallocated into the smart's BTC wallet; rich getting richer, naturally, as a matter of course).

Now go back to plebbit.

here's some mathematics for you
BTC = 9000
BCH = 1200
∴ BTC > BCH

Blockstream is playing Core and they don't even realize it.

you guys got fooled by BlockStream, its to bad but its the way the cookie crumbles

Blockstream to Issue Fiat Currency Using Blockchain Tech

trustnodes.com/2017/11/21/blockstream-issue-fiat-currency-using-blockchain-tech-raises-25-million

Guess we should dump everything and go buy Berkshire Hathaway then shit for brains.

This shit can't be real right? Bcash supporters are obviously just trolling, no one would be stupid enough to believe this amount of bullshit information by a bunch of name calling asshats. True shitcoin, dogecoin is better in every way. This community is even worse than the pajeets.

How does it make you feel that Lightning network is going to completely kill Bcash ?

...

>Instantly recieve 0.01 BCH unconfirmed

it's not recievment so you'd better not to say this.
10 minutes maximum, but it's always 10 minutes maximun even noone uses bcash this day except you.

unconfirmed transactions can be seens "almost instant" in other blockchains too, so whatever.

someone said about doge - yes, it is faster usually.
there are coins like electra or flash - they are faster.

there are dag coins, they are faster too.

so, if I hardfork bcash and make more and bigger blocks you'd a fanboy of it, as you said.

all the idea of bitcoin was about the other thing though.

Stupid cunt, hashing power is the central element of a blockchain, nodes are cables, hashing power is the actual CPU. If hashing power is "centralised" then so are blockchains, if it's not then how many cables lead to it are irrelevant.
Also "lol who would want to be able to actually use money to purchase goods and services" is literally the least retarded thing you said, and it's pretty fucking retarded desu.

Cash could already use Lightning without segwit if it wanted to but it would only slow it down and reduce adoption so I kind of doubt that its high on priority list right now.

this.
>muh alluminium is more useful people please let's call it gold from now

It will take more than 2 years to complete a 1TB HDD with 8MB. Not interested in Dag coins, only blockchain for me.
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