During the Great Depression, industrial output in the Soviet Union quadrupled while it went down up to 20% in the rest of the world.
Why aren't you a communist, Veeky Forums? All of the failures of the socialist bloc could've been easily avoided with the computer software we have available now.
because I like having nice things
i'm a commie, can't wait to slaughter the bourgeoisie with you OP.
It will truly be the greatest transfer of wealth.
Not a problem Britain cries out for socialism.
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You can have nice things in a socialist economy.
A real communism is our last fucking hope
t. 18 year old millennial living in his parents upper-middle class home.
>During the Great Depression, industrial output in the Soviet Union quadrupled while it went down up to 20% in the rest of the world.
Amazing what you can do when you don't pay people, confiscate wealth and property, and force people to work as slaves...fucking moron.
>Why aren't you a communist, Veeky Forums? All of the failures of the socialist bloc could've been easily avoided with the computer software we have available now.
No dickwad, there is no "valid" form of leftism. It's all bad, all evil, and only appeals to dumbass beta cucks like you who know they'll never amount to anything.
This, kek. Why is it always the bourgeois who want communism? Don't they know THEY are the ones who are going to lose their shit?
>communists are all entitled millenials
>i'm a commie, can't wait to slaughter the bourgeoisie with you OP.
>It will truly be the greatest transfer of wealth.
Nothing but death and eternal damnation is going to be transferred to you and your ilk.
soviets weren't affected by the market crash because they didn't have a market
>all this liberal ideology
lol. the people who got their shit confiscated were pissed but everyone else loved communism, stay mad you tea sipping fancy boy, we're ocming for that toothbrush
>You can have nice things in a socialist economy.
Uh, no.
Every time there was a strike in soviet russia, management took 5 random people out onto the street and shot them. They did this every day until the strike ended. Fear was only way for workers to stay productive. Now tell me, you want this?
this literally didnt happen so idk what youre talking about
>lol. the people who got their shit confiscated were pissed but everyone else loved communism, stay mad you tea sipping fancy boy, we're ocming for that toothbrush
No, nobody "loved" communism. As soon as people realized how good things could be without communism, the USSR imploded.
You can, you will die. We're waiting and ready for the commiecucks. You will fail as usual.
Communism is so great it requires the same brainlet spamming it since it's history can't speak for itself
uh yeah remember all those people who fled capitalist countries to run to communist shithole countries?
Oh wait, it was the reverse, retard
this
The truth is even worse.
en.m.wikipedia.org
Do you even Gulag Archipelago user?
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WTF... I'm speechless
>two communist shill threads out of nowhere
fuck off back to cripplechan you slimy faggots
Why you always lying
>this literally didnt happen so idk what youre talking about
If you're supporting any form of leftism then you don't know what you're talking about.
And yes, commies will kill their "management" who doesn't deliver demanded results. There is a reason china has execution vans, which they use to persecute political prisoners.
Commiecucks had a foothold in the USA and Trump is taking you down. We, the people, will eradicate any of you. Red will never have been a more appropriate color for you all.
>Still no explanation for how roads would be built and maintained
Nice meme, though
the gusanos who fled cuba were the former bourgeoisie lol, there was class war and they lost
lol no the USSR collapsed due tons of different factors, Yeltsin leaving the CP was not among them
dude the white army was insanely bad, everything that happened to them they deserved
>strawmanning liberals as communists
lol
solzhenitsyn was an anti-semite and supported the tsar. i dont care what he thinks and if he died in the gulags the world would be a better place
capitalism is collapsing, of course we'll visit you guys to laugh
>literal baby boomer facebook tier post
lol
I think we should unironically try communism again
I wouldn’t have to worry about working in the fields or factory anyway, my job would be working for the party itself
>This is what happens when you marry an ideology
>All of the failures of the socialist bloc could've been easily avoided with the computer software we have available now
Not a bad point actually
there's no such thing as "not having an ideology", neutrality is liberalism and is an ideology unto itself. pick a side cuck
People themselves will build roads, just like they did when they first came here as colonists, dumbass.
This myth that "infrastructure" requires a big, bloated central govt is such a straw grasp that it's not worth responding to. In fact, when govt gets out of the way, people will improve their local communities on their own.
>This is what happens when you marry an ideology
>output quadruples
>so do death rates
the population exploded and life expectancy skyrocketed after the russian revolution, lol
>the population exploded after the russian revolution
literally
pot kettle
not an argument lmao
The end game for libtards is communism. Both of you are the same shit and will get free helicopter rides when the time comes. Until then, keep that bull prepped for your wife, commie.
Property is theft, soyboy
this is so categorically false that it makes it obvious you've never read anything, ever.
>private and personal property are the same thing
no
You already have an explanation in real live: toll charge. Currently it's used on top of funding through taxes only for trucks but in the future when every car is completly tracked you could easily link payment to use accurately.
There are however also arguments to subsidize. You benefit indirectly from better remote roads as it leads to less people trying to compete in the main city housing market for example when they can get their services in their remote spots.
>This is what happens when you marry an ideology
>POLITICS IS LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>LET ME TALK ABOUT POLITICS ON EVER SINGLE BOARD I GO ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>REEEEEEEE POLITICS
>HEY HERES MY POLITICAL INSIGHT
>HERE TAKE IT
>WHY DOES EVERYONE FUCKING HATE ME?!??!?!?!
>WHY!??????
everything is political. politics and economics are inseparable. trying to divide them and compartmentalize them is liberalism.
No it isnt dude stfu you annoying sack of shit.
lib
I'm noticing a distinct lack of actual ARGUMENTS against socialism/communism in this thread
> modern economies experiencing issues
> wonders why an unconnected feudal society in the process of industrializing and that uses forced labour camps to artificially inflate economic activity was somehow "growing"
Yeah and how'd that work out for them in the end?
>I will try to intimidate by posting pics of masked cucks with guns.
Well, that failed. You're easy targets. lol Bring it.
>lol no the USSR collapsed due tons of different factors, Yeltsin leaving the CP was not among them
Tons of factors? No. Failed because communism always fails, as does any form of leftism...and at its "peak" the USSR accomplished nothing. Meanwhile, in the 200 short years that the USA has existed, it has become the BEST country in the world, and in all of history, period.
>capitalism is collapsing, of course we'll visit you guys to laugh
Capitalism doesn't collapse because it's a group of individuals each doing their own thing. Some may fail, many will succeed.
Leftism requires a collectivism and therefore is doomed to fail because it lacks the ability to innovate and adapt.
I mean, look at you. You're a fucking moron who repeats the same tired old debunked bullshit thinking you've discovered something new. It's hilarious. Deny truth, ignore history, claim "capitalism" is evil, claim that "communism" will fix it...idiot you are.
>>literal baby boomer facebook tier post
>lol
Nice non-response because you have none. Cry more little boy. You'll be feeling the pain when you have to fight men, and not women and senior citizens as you're used to. There is no place for you in the USA. hahaha
> Wow, my economy is so big now that I stole the money of everybody else and may spend as I wish
Communism ends when the money that you stole ends too. After that the only thing left is a dictatorship and starvation
care to explain how?
this is insanely stupid lol. politics play an absolutely huge role in economics whether you like it or not. any good capitalist should know this
brainlet
>actually building things isnt growing, its artificial
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>Tons of factors? No. Failed because communism always fails, as does any form of leftism...and at its "peak" the USSR accomplished nothing. Meanwhile, in the 200 short years that the USA has existed, it has become the BEST country in the world, and in all of history, period.
>assertions
>Capitalism doesn't collapse because it's a group of individuals each doing their own thing.
no it's two classes of people locked in struggle
>I mean, look at you. You're a fucking moron who repeats the same tired old debunked bullshit thinking you've discovered something new. It's hilarious. Deny truth, ignore history, claim "capitalism" is evil, claim that "communism" will fix it...idiot you are.
>muh "common knowledge" spoonfed to me by the CIA
>the population exploded and life expectancy skyrocketed after the russian revolution, lol
No, it actually didn't. Nobody considers communism a "revolution", it's epic failure.
fuck off retard
yes it did? the population massively expanded between 1917 and 1939
Does it snow where you live?
You guys don't even know how to use simple fucking margin exchanges and you guys talk about politics like your ground breaking economists stfu hahahahh
>I connect my own word definitions to emotions so I always feel right
Communist:Cuba shakes off hurricane like it was nothing despite direct hit
Capitalist: Puerto Rico thousands of deaths in same hurricane, people with no power for up to a year
lalala i cant hear you haha you are all so STUPID!!
>nice things
so I can get a few slices of rye bread instead of white after standing 4 hours in the breadline?
oh boy, can't wait!
Obligatory reading for everyone in this thread: dcs.gla.ac.uk
Paul Cockshott is a political economist and computer scientist that has dedicated his academic work to theorizing how a centrally planned socialist economy might take form with the use of modern computers without repeating the mistakes of the USSR, and to refuting the Austrian school's arguments against socialism. I'd like to see any of you lolbert people refute his texts.
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> why aren't you a communist
you might want to continue reading about what eventually happened to the soviet union...
His wife admitted a few years later that it was hardly a factual book.
yeah it collapsed after the economy was liberalized haha weird how that worked out
I lived in the soviet union and it was crap, fuck you and fuck communist
Capitalist lies! The soviet union was a paradise until the capitalist swine somehow destroyed it!
im gonna be nice: i probably know more about the USSR than you do
>memes and stereotypes
come on dude you know full well the soviet union was a real society full of people with clothes and books and shit. it existed for 70+ years
56% of russians want to go back lol
>convenient cherrypicking to avoid showing how Russia went from feudal shithole to one of the largest economies of the world in about a quarter the time the capitalist powers did.
try harder
Didn't communism kill 100,000,000 people?
Wasn't the Austrian school in full damage control over him?
hey i lived there too and i never saw this guy once!
thanky mr CIA
>>Tons of factors? No. Failed because communism always fails, as does any form of leftism...and at its "peak" the USSR accomplished nothing. Meanwhile, in the 200 short years that the USA has existed, it has become the BEST country in the world, and in all of history, period.
>>assertions
Objective facts, which pwned you. Can you point to a single communist country that:
- Provided individual rights.
- Ended slavery.
- Allows for people to move up in life, not stay locked into a "social class".
- Did not routinely engage in human rights' violations.
No, commiecuck, you cannot, because no such place exists.
>>Capitalism doesn't collapse because it's a group of individuals each doing their own thing.
>no it's two classes of people locked in struggle
Capitalism doesn't create socio-economic classes, that happens when a commiecuck gets rich in a capitalist society and then uses said wealth to lobby the govt to stifle or block competition with regulations and/or laws. Simple example of this is the telecom industry, which was free and open in its infancy but once a few stations got big they lobbied to create the FCC, which now allows only big mega-corporations to control all broadcast.
That is CRONYISM, and is a fundamental system in all leftist-controlled states. Want to build something in china? You have to bribe the right commies.
Capitalism is only the right to private property ownership, and the right to use said property in commerce. Everything else that corrupts this comes from the left.
>>I mean, look at you. You're a fucking moron who repeats the same tired old debunked bullshit thinking you've discovered something new. It's hilarious. Deny truth, ignore history, claim "capitalism" is evil, claim that "communism" will fix it...idiot you are.
>>muh "common knowledge" spoonfed to me by the CIA
What? CIA? They're mostly leftists who would support communism as it gives them control. You dumb.
ITT: Morons who have never lived without socialism and morons who have never lived without capitalism thinking anything but a mixed economy will ever succeed.
do guns kill people?
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What? CIA? They're mostly leftists who would support communism as it gives them control. You dumb.
this is your brain on pol
Rhetorical question fail.
>What? CIA? They're mostly leftists who would support communism as it gives them control. You dumb.
oh my fucking GOD
dude dont you remember when president pinochet was deposed after a lawful election by cia backed contras so they could install the vile socialist dictator allende
I am yet to see any convincing rebuttal from them, so yes. All of them basically reaffirm basic arguments of their school without actually contesting the points being made against them. For instance, they insist that the LTV is somehow wrong, when it clearly can be shown to be a valid model for prediction: users.wfu.edu
>pic related
levels of ignorance like this guy's really make me feel hopeless sometimes. the fucking CIA being communist. christ almighty.
>Communist:Cuba shakes off hurricane like it was nothing despite direct hit
Because shit is already in such bad condition that repairing is a matter of stacking some bricks back up moving debris to the sides of the roads.
>Capitalist: Puerto Rico thousands of deaths in same hurricane, people with no power for up to a year
You're actually citing fake news as "proof" that capitalism failed, as if the economic foundation of PR had anything to do with their response to the hurricane? And why be a cuck and not mention the fact that it was the commie unions refusing to deliver goods that caused the majority of the problems?
How pathetic are you commiecuck brainlets who cannot make a single TRUTHFUL point about the alleged "benefits" of historically debunked communism.
I can't believe communist niggers are comparing countries that literally had to invent industrialization bit by bit to one who just adopted it.
Literally, read a fucking book.
And yea, many non-industrial nations became powerhouses as quickly if not faster as the Soviets, dipshit. But without massive fucking slaughter and wealth confiscation.
Russia developed very fast under communism. Mainly because it was held back by feudalism beforehand, not because communism was so great.
all these replies are coming from edgy NEETs whose net worth isn't even 2k, yet think their shit uneducated opinion on the distribution of wealth is fact. go ask your mom if the tendies are done yet, you don't want her to overcook them.
>Because shit is already in such bad condition that repairing is a matter of stacking some bricks back up moving debris to the sides of the roads.
it sounds like you dont know a lot about cuba
>Let me cite a fake poll that I just crapped out for you:
>56% of russians want to go back lol
Commiecucks = #75IQLyFe
Ever notice how capitalism consistently lifts people out of poverty, even when there is no "true" free market? Ever notice how since the industrial revolution, capitalism has been the only practice that has pulled people out of poverty with out the need for chattel slavery and terror? Ever notice how when a corporation does something bad, you aren't forced support it? Budweiser spent $100k sending water to people in poverty over seas, and then $5 million bragging about it at the super bowl, doesn't that just make you want to stop buying Budweiser products, or at least put more pressure on them to improve that ratio? You have the freedom to do both in "capitalist" countries, because unlike communism, you actually have choice. There are so many beer companies to choose from, and talking shit about one of them isn't considered high treason.
If you are so confident communism works, stop trying to introduce it in countries that already have it good.
>industrialism is an invention and not a process
lol
>If you are so confident communism works, stop trying to introduce it in countries that already have it good.
no lol
>try harder
Slavery, wholesale human rights violation, mass artificial scarcity of common resources and food...
Bullets are cheap, and shooting a commie is one of the best investments anyone can make.
GUYS MY MOM JUST TOOK AWAY MY SWITCH WHEN DO WE OVERTHROW THE BOURGEOIS PIGS
yeah the cheka fucking murdered anyone who shittalked the government cheese in the Stalin Union
>And yea, many non-industrial nations became powerhouses as quickly if not faster as the Soviets
name one