Are there too many musicians now?

>there’s also a trillion other classical musicians who are better than me
git better
>who I will never be as good as
or kill yourself, you defeatist faggot

I teach private lessons. Mostly a niche field of voice science but also a lot of composition and theory.

Been scaling my business for awhile. Nice global customer base and long term students.

I have done some "apprenticeships" where its essentially extended studies with me where they stay for 1-2 weeks or so.

Why would you say performance is cucked?

I am also a business-focused person. I have literal interest in making money from music, I only pursue classical music because I want to just write something that connects with non-classical people some day. I want classical music to live on

But now I’m thinking maybe there’s little i can do about that. Maybe people just don’t give a fuck about classical music anymore, sort of like nobody really cares about any genre of music anymore. It’s all just clickbait in the form of YouTube videos at this point.

There are too many people right now, the earth's population should never go above 1 billion if you want universal comfy

Git better, market yourself and be in the right place at the right time

Calm down autismo

I was teaching private classical lessons at a music school after college but they were paying me $15 an hour, and then I had some private students at home who paid me $25 per 30 minutes

I wasn’t making enough so I got an insurance sales job. I do like teaching though

Came to post this. Overpopulation kills grandeur

sounds like you didn't want it enough

Of course, that’s the main goal

But I think I could do that and it still wouldn’t matter. There are a few classical musicians doing some pretty interesting and amazing things but nobody really gives a fuck. It’s just background noise for them, or something interesting to see on YouTube for 3 mins

>want it enough

Well I don’t really understand how teaching works, because you can’t really raise your rates any higher at a certain point. It’s like you hit a wage ceiling around 33-40k forever

just join the symphony lmao

It basically seems like it takes more talent and practice now for less returns than you could expect 30 or 50 years ago.

I would give pic related 15 children

Try making meaningful music for you and not for the fame and fortune or whatever the fuck. Most retards listen to trash anyway.

Dude there are pianists absolutely shredding through 40 minute programs of virtuoso music, and like 8 people come to see them.

It’s depressing

Performance is cucked because unless you are performing in a highly niche market with a specialized audience you are essentially a glorified .mp3 that nobody actually gives a shit about.

Jazz and some more low key contemporary styles are the exceptions but most "pop" fields (pop, r&b, rock, etc) are accessory to some other focal point. Music is intended to be listened to but modern audiences don't listen and don't have the sensitivity or aural faculty (which is a learned skill as we understand from aural skills acquisition and ear training pedagogy).

tl;dr unless you are some niche erudite performer, art music performer, or microfraction of commercially successful pop artists, you are gonna be making shit money for people that honestly don't give a fuck what you are doing any are more invested in the "experience" or affect of the music rather than the music.

you could say that is still a valuable experience to deliver a listener but w/e.

i still perform in circles with audiences that will appreciate the craft but at this point I turn down most gig opportunities even if they are standard industry pay.

btw does anyone here realize how much effort and working touring really is unless? even most "big" bands now a days outside of the most contemporary pop sphere are literally grinding their asses off for near minimum wage if you factored in the overall time of work.

Lots of nothing music. Meaningless. We need a resurgence of 20s-70s music

Teaching for others or teaching in institutionally controlled setups is totally cucked.

I charge $80 per hour lesson and I am booked straight for the next 6 weeks.

doing independent contracting positions where you teach through people is just a middle man taking your profit.

get really good and people will want to learn from you. period.

only good music market in last 10 years was vocaloid and citypop

there's too many artists, too much fucking availability, it's a dead end career now

i want to pioneer a new business angle to music

Music Porn - where musicians fuck each other while playing music, a girl playing violin while getting a cumshot to the face, 2 guys dping a asian slut while she's playing the drums
Maybe cut some albums from it
There's a huge business opportunity there to make money off both porn and music

>Music Porn - where musicians fuck each other while playing music, a girl playing violin while getting a cumshot to the face, 2 guys dping a asian slut while she's playing the drums
Maybe cut some albums from it
There's a huge business opportunity there to make money off both porn and music

The absolute state of modern nihilism

How on earth do you market yourself, and to who?

My classical teacher charges that, but he doesn’t have many students

ITT all the butthurt over saturation fags OP was talking about

Being a musician used to mean playing In a shitty pub every night for peanuts. Radio and TV came along and it exploded, Internet age has killed it. Move on

If you have such a good grasp of theory and composition then you should have no problem making commercial diddies and background music for shows and shit. Sure, there's a market for strictly classical comps or shit like avant garde jazz, but it's always going to be somewhat small. I know a ton of jazz musicians in Denver, and maybe 3-4 of them actually play full time, the rest are either teachers or have a day job. That's always how it's been outside of the select few virtuoso's or those with enough commercial appeal to be sold en masse.

That being said, I haven't heard a great new album in ages. I look at review sites all the time and listen to the top rated shit and none of it grabs me anymore. I listen to music constantly but new stuff is on my list less and less...

Music criticizing modern degeneracy would be provocative and sexy, but that’s kind of an off-limits topic at the moment in the art world.

Ever done a Groupmuse concert?

I got invited for one but had to turn it down, kind of a neat idea. Re-emergence of the salon style concert

Fuck the world. Real music resurgence NOW. Fuck being popular. Just write it and post here and on /pol/ ... reddit will follow.

I used to play in a metal core band from 20010-2013

People fucking loved us. They would drive hours to come see us play, they knew the lyrics, posted about us on social media and all that. They were legitimately into it and excited about it, and we were just an “underground” band or whatever.

I don’t see that with hardly any bands these days. Even soundcloud rappers, people are just kind of apathetically dragging themselves into a venue to see some faggot lip synch to a backing track. And the music I was playing back in 2010-2013 is DEFINTELT dead. If I came out with that shit today, people would be cringing.

I don’t get the current state of music. It feels like it kind of died in the last few years.

I market myself through videos that demonstrate my teaching and publications in theory journals (where most of my theory students come from,)

Most new students are referral or reach out to me. I started private teaching 6 years ago at $15 per hour.

This is very accurate.

Never heard of that. Sounds really cool though. Salon setting was ace. Sometimes I'll do in home live music for wealthy people. Kinda a fun casual-esque, well paying gig. I enjoy filling big fancy houses with rich harmony on pianos I can't afford.

If you live in the USA, you should sign up.

Just look up “groupmuse”, they will add you to the roster.

Holy fucking shit I just realized this is the Veeky Forums board

I meant to post this on /mu/ top kek

I was wondering why the replies were so intelligent

If you are unable to enter a trance from playing music. You are not really much of one. You over estimate how many true musicians there are. Lots of entertainers and demonstrators, sure. Music is an aspect of ritual. Study african rhythms. Stop being a narcissist and give into the shamanistic powers, if you even have them.

Hey I know that feel. I play jazz and there's pretty much no way I will ever play jazz in the local scene because it's so saturated with people and all of them have been playing for years and shit.

I'm just gonna look for wedding gigs and private gigs, at least they pay a bit.

He wasn't talking about himself you cum guzzling fucktard. Learn what reading comprehension is

Just buy BTC

>muh nigger shit

Lmao fuck off with that bullshit. Shamans are degenerate and should be shot

The Bible says music is used for all sorts of purposes, and that God even enjoys melodies. So it definitely has a spiritual aspect.

>muh trance

You are sort of on to something. There is some music that almost achieves a divine sound. Maybe Bach’s chaconne for example.

>literal interest

when are you fucking morons going to stop talking like tards

cool story bro
leave brittany here and gtfo to this board is for wojaks only

>im a musician

Like with Crypto, u seem to have missed the hype of the 60s and 70s. There is no more music, there is mass productions of shitcoins (shitsongs) copycats for quick money. Its the story with everything else, mobile fones, computers, etc. Copy/Paste society. There are no computer programmers anymore, the word "assembler" now refers to a kid putting PC together from shiny boxed parts. Our civilization is dying. Thats all to it. Make some cash, find a woman and an island to enjoy whats left of life.

I feel you,op. Lost all interest , and beyond desensitized right now. Also, the fact that the brain is wired to like new music less and less over the age of 33. I rememebr listening to the same cd album over and over, and not doing anything else while doing it, simply listening to a physical cd bought at the store
>inb4 le wrong generation man
NO. It's a simple matter of supply and demand. Music used to be as accessable as your pocket money allowed you, and you would cherish it. Music nowadays has the longevity of a fucking facebook status. Just shit to play in the background while you're doing ten other things, probably not giving a shit about all of them

Im gonna need sauce on that pic

>cool story bro

Ok Reddit

>I’m a day trader

This comment absolutely made me laugh my ass off and I’m not sure why. It’s true and un-true at the same time

Music was objectively better before the 60’s. I am finding music I’ve never heard and that I love constantly from the 1800’s-1950’s. Even frank Sinatra type shit I love

Yea, only listening to old stuff and some classical rn, but not as often as i used to.
btw /mu/ is the worst lol

music is like the new religion of the human race. you have to be like SRV or hendrix good to get noticed. Its a fucking hobby now, im sorry user were both fucked.

I'm a writer, same state of my industry, just as in all others. It's what happens when the common man reigns supreme, by definition they cannot have any true taste.

I just turned thirty. I play drums.

When I was twenty I was in a pop punk band and this girl saw me play and asked me to join her pop band. She was on this TV show called " search for the next pussycat doll" (she didn't win) and had a small online following, end of MySpace era.

I said yes and played some cool shows, met some cool people but let me tell you OP. It was the most soul sucking thing I had ever been a part of. We were playing a show in Nashville and we went to hang out with another client of the manager we had listened to the client play piano, guitar, drums and sing incredibly.

The girl was seriously talented. Unfortunately, she was really ugly. At that moment it hit me hard how vapid the music scene was. Are there actually quality musicians out there today? Of course. But being in the environment where I was at low to mid tier sized shows (200-500 people) a night just gave me a taste of how vapid and superficial the life was. No one was real. Everyone was your best friendfriend. Everyone was about to get signed. Just a constant stream of bullshit.

Anyway, they kicked me out for not wearing the shirt that one of our clothing sponsors gave us when everybody else in the band was wearing one of their shirts and no one even knew who we were. I stopped playing drums. All I'm saying OP is that if you want to make music, don't even sell out once, if you have any soul in you it will make you jaded for life

I might be wrong, but I have a feeling that electronic dance music is the actual popular art music nowadays, in the sense that it's possible to draw large crowds while putting out stuff that actually has intellectual value. Remember, people actually went to see Bach, Beethoven, Chopin, and so on. If you make good electronic dance music, it will still probably be hard to make money, but not as hard as if you try to play baroque/classical/romantic music.

Music isn't about money or notoriety, not unless you're a kosher dick sucking faggot.

Music is about bitches, play live music = get bitches it doesn't matter how many other dickheads there are out there who are better than you - if you're the one playing up on that stage bitches will want to fuck you.

>waste years of your life for the chance to score some druggies
hmm ono nonHAHAHAHAHAHA

Call me a niggerlover but i think brittany is adorable

>[Life] isn't about money or notoriety, not unless you're a kosher dick sucking faggot.
>
>[Life] is about bitches, [be alive] = get bitches it doesn't matter how many other dickheads there are out there who are better than you - if you're the one [alive] up on that [existence] bitches will want to fuck you

spoken like a true insect

It is time for a new musical style. Do it!

The entire world is suffering from overpopulation. If your aim is to make money off your hobby then you have to be willing to make sacrifices. You have to be willing to step on people.

That's all there is to it. Its not about effort or skill. Its about which people are the right people to step on.

Can you do a cheap sountrack if youre so desperate? 20 dollars a minute or something. If lots of supply then drop prices

Elaborate?

Porn sounds are part of the masturbatory experience, what a fucking stupid idea

I play classical guitar for a hobby. I take lessons that cost $60/h. I like the way how reading the sheet music and playing stimulates my brain. I definitely see value in learning music and playing. It's amazing how playing even some really simple stuff feels wonderful but listening someone else play it is just boring as hell. I don't attend to concerts anymore and I unsubscribed spotify last year. Right now I haven't listened anything in two weeks. I'm really fed up listening others perform/compose mediocre shit.

not him but, more people more competition. Since you're probably not exceptional in many ways you'll have to sacrifice either yourself or others to reach your goals. If those goals are remotely ambitious that is.

Being exceptional just makes you a target for someone to step on and use you to prop themselves up as well.

Music nowdays has become a ponzi like imaginary internet money.

what if im exceptional in stepping on people and not getting stepped on nerd

Then you'd be making too much money to waste time shitposting on Veeky Forums.

Every little girl wants to be a princess but there aren't enough kingdoms around.

A while ago I fucked around with making some student films and the number of actors signing onto the casting call knowing full well the entire shoot is unpaid was staggering. From memory it reached circa 150 applications within 2 days.

Stupid question: if all jobs are oversaturated why we dont thrown manpower at math research for new techs? A mathematician in 1000 that does a theorem in his lifetime has payed for all. UBI and scores of mathematicians will make next spacetechs.

The reason innovations aren't happening are not because of lack of funding. Its purely greed related.
Innovation is always a negative profit industry. Planned obsolescence creates profit.
Technology is being held back on purpose.

is it easy to get published these days? What does it take to get published/noticed?

Planned obsolescence would mean new breakthroughs, no?

I have a masters degree in music and can mop the floor with you intelectually as well as pratically, but none of it matters because I can play a repetitve phrase like a mantra to transcend. I am more devine than you. You can recognize Bachs devinity but havent realized your own because you are a dumb nigger trying to impress people. Been there done that got the degree and tons of pussy to show it. Grow up loser. No one cares that you make a point to name drop Bach. You just come off as a tryhard to real deal motherfuckers like me.

Pay

Just to expand/reiterating: The money isn't in the cure, its in the medicine.

So what do you do about it? You throw people who intentionally create "lemons" in jail and use their money and research to make lemonade.
Oil companies buying up patents for future tech to destroy or burry them? Throw those fuckers in jail.
Publishing companies buying up IPs to sit on them? Throw those fuckers in jail.

No absolutely not. It means a breakthrough was already achieved, but to make money they milk it as long as possible until they can figure out a new breakthrough.

huh? You have to PAY a publisher to get your book out?

Look, i sent some text to a writing media and they responded back not with criticism but by ads to pay them so they could publish text in web columbs and such. So theres that i suppose

Columns*

>I have a masters degree in music
>listen to African jungle beats

Wow was your degree focus in niggerology. Can you refer me to pieces composed with fried chicken bones and half-empty cups of kook aid too?

I know what OP means
everyone has written some good responses but I think something else has come into play
music back in the dawn of man was intertwined heavily with religion and spirituality or however you want to say it
it wasn't about making money, getting groupies on yo dik, being the center of attention
it was bigger than the musicians and the audience and it brought it all together for everybody
the rest of it is just a byproduct
it was a way to kill time when bored as well with friends and not for some huge ritual

this is what I like to think and some of what I read backs up this
but now no one wants to make anything new because no one will listen to anything new
yet there are also too many people that trying to make new things

really, what it is is another big flashing warning sign to me that things are not good for people in societies that are like this
also fate slaps me in the face again as I've been having similar difficulties with music and I see this

basically buy all the shitcoins and yell about it you want.... /x/ is correct thinking when you don't go full retard
music needs soul and people are weak on the soul side
the performers and the audience

That is literally what a publisher does. They're no different than a bank. You invest your property to them. Sometimes they ask for a down payment.

just be good faggot, LOL

>music theorist

Get a fucking job you bum. Humanity needs music theorists like it needs play dough structural engineers. Sure you can be one but no one ever is going to pay you. Ever because you are doing something useless and artificial.

>beyond desensitized right now

boo fucking hoo

Does your ability to be highly paid determine your value? A prostitute is more valuable than a teacher, then. Why do you people need to be told this?

Im obviously speaking to someone who has no idea what a clave is. Yes music just sprang up independently in isolated cultures. Its not like a chain of information that ties back to our origins in Africa. You are bluepilled. We are all nig nogs. Some cultures and people evolve others keep thier animal form such as yourself. You may be white but only in appearance. You are mentally pure nigger teir. You keep idolzing other humans and hating others. Keep avoiding being and keep doing. Cheers dumbfuck. Cant waste time on plebs like you.

disregarding the religious aspect which is still contentious, music has always always always at the core been about two things equally, expression and making money. the reason you see more shit music nowadays isn't necessarily because the quality of music has gone down but because the exposure to all music is so massive because of the internet

Just make dance music. People will always want to dance.

Being useful determines your value.

bro just play better lmao

Similar here user. Child prodigy, went to uni did 2/3 music degree then dropped out when I realised only viable option was becoming a music teacher IE wierd cunt. Worked construction. After a few years stopped playing in bands. After about another decade stopped recording. Now just enjoy it for relaxation. Can’t play anything I used to perform anymore but I don’t care. About once a year watch videos of old performances for a laugh but it soon reminds me why I left it. So much work so much stress and for what? Fuck all. I let my kid go to piano classes but I don’t make her practise and the teacher can’t believe my kid is so bad lol. I just never want her to go through what I went through where it becomes a torture to get that good. I lost interest in most commercial music when auto tune came out and these days mostly listen to comedy records lol

If all your value is in the material world then how else can you see the world
something like that

/mu/ is this way

OP why dont make music for causes that you believe in (politics, art, religion etc)