Telling people to make transactions on the Lightning Network effectively the same as telling them to make transactions with some other cryptocurrency instead of Bitcoin. Doesn't that lower the demand for Bitcoins to use in transactions, thereby decreasing the price from where it would otherwise be? DESU, I'm a bit skeptical that LN will work seamlessly or add truly desirable functionality, and I'm even more skeptical that it will do anything to help with merchant adoption--which is clearly the path forward for Bitcoin's long-term success. But for argument's sake, even if LN was wildly successful to those ends, wouldn't its use just drive down the Bitcoin price from where it would otherwise be, effectively cannibalizing the value of the coin? Someone might argue that LN increases the value of BTC by adding "features", but this seems silly for two reasons: Any other crypto can just adopt LN, if it really does add value (which seems a bit doubtful) thereby taking any LN "advantage" away from BTC...if there does turn out to be one at all. 'LN ready' coins at Blockstream's initiative (inc. Segwit), will join BTC in the pool of LN settlement tokens: GRS SYS BTX DGB MON LTC VTC NAV VIA CRE XMY
Why LN wouldn't just drive down the price of any properly-working crypto, relative to where it would otherwise be according to Gresham's Law*? * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gresham's_law
The "demand" for transactions just increases bitcoin fees, not the bitcoin value. For some reason it seems like you are confusing transaction scarcity with increased value for bitcoin, transaction scarcity just increases the price of the FEES.
You ask why use bitcoin then any other currency? Because 90% of all other coins in the top 100 are literal pajeet scams, and the remaining 10, most of them were never made to be used as a "currency" anyway
Also, there is a ton of infrastructure already made for bitcoin. Excellent wallets and software, tons of integration everywhere. Bitcoins main competitor as far as a currency, Monero, STILL does not have a properly functioning GUI wallet.
Michael Peterson
sorry honey, nobody wants your BCash shitcoin. god you fuckers are getting desperate. dishonest as fuck and desperate.
Gavin Campbell
NANO is the real lightning network.
Austin Evans
Bitcoin Cash is being promoted by the same people involved in Bitconnect.
Jonathan Taylor
> The "demand" for transactions just increases bitcoin fees, not the bitcoin value. Did you failed economics 101? Every IT company is valued by the number of users times the usage. Pic related.
>Because 90% of all other coins in the top 100 are literal pajeet scams, and the remaining 10, most of them were never made to be used as a "currency" anyway BS. BTC doesn't even try to claim it has any function, it's supposedly "digital gold".
>Also, there is a ton of infrastructure already made for bitcoin. Excellent wallets and software, tons of integration everywhere. Bitcoins main competitor as far as a currency, Monero, STILL does not have a properly functioning GUI wallet. There are plenty of coins which are extremely easy to migrate to from btc like zcoin.
Theoretically, the entire LN network can run on these two only (assuming lightning ramp adds other major exchanges). There would be only one channel. In reality, there's going to be about a dozen actually used channels.
If you are still pro core after watching it you will never make it.
Jordan Allen
Whew, I cant tell anymore whether these are cashers falseflagging. Are corecucks really this dense?
Tyler Thomas
Lightning network would work because it would make you more able to pay with high valued currency. Imagine if you bought a bunch of gold bars. Kind of hard to pay with them, right? You can but it would be very difficult, you'd pay a lot of fees for breaking off the right amount, exchanging it to USD, and have to wait a bit longer to get your item. Now imagine those shops get machines where it knows you're good for the money up to a certain amount, like a prepaid credit card, you just replenish your balance with them when you're ready to buy more. Price of gold doesn't drop in that case, it makes you use it more because you're buying more, smaller items instead of hoarding and buying everything you want at once because of the fees. Your gold now has more usage ability and goes up due to usability.
Also that picture you posted is very sensationalist. LN uses tor-level encryption and no one can see your transaction chain, just that their node needs to send money to the next node. No knowledge of the first or last or any other point.
Ethan Hernandez
Fun fact:
If a merchant wants to receive money on LN, he must convince a node to lock up money even before he has done a sale. First, the merchant must guess his turnover. Let's say $5000 USD the next month. Then he must convince a node to lock up $5000 USD worth of money in a channel to him. This is almost like a loan. The merchant will have to pay the interest on this frozen capital. Even if he doesn't get a single sale. On top of that, you have the fact that a merchant must buy/get BTC before setting up the channel, and all the on-chain fees. This is such a horrible deal for a merchant. They will never choose this expensive and risky mess over BCH.
Kayden Price
That's false. A merchant wouldn't need to "lock" money with you more than you lock with him. Why would he lock "$5000" if you're locking $200? There's no case where if you send him the wrong amount it would be more than $200 he'd need to send back, if he ever did. >That's almost like a loan No it's not. And he would never need to "pay interest" on it. The channel can be dissolved if either party cancels it and both receive their coins back equal to their totals afterwards. >Get Bitcoin before setting up the channel and all the on-chain fees. Like anyone else who wants to do business with Bitcoin? And those fees would be less than a dollar. Less than even the unused BCash fees are now.
If you need to lie to shill a coin that only goes up when Roger emergency pumps it, then it should be obvious its a shitcoin.
Kayden Sanchez
merchants wont have channels with every individual customer brainlet. They will have a channel with some well connected node in the network.
And merchant diesnt know how many customers will pay with LN in a month but he has to make sure the channel he uses has enough capacity for all LN payments he makes that month.
He has no other choice but guessing it and locking up a ballpark amount in the channel.
Justin Allen
I know, I was responding to your FUD attempt implying individual customers through vague wording. Of course they will have channels with popular, high value nodes. That's not new information or something hard to figure out. Why do you talk about not having individual customers then go back to talking about customers? Are you the brainlet and actually mean "transactions through their node" instead? Of course they wouldn't know but they could lock a base amount with other highly funded nodes. You're also implying that the path of the lightning network is constant or something known and that isn't the case. You're also implying that the transaction couldn't be split, down multiple node paths if needed. However that's where fees come in. The person on the path the transaction comes from gives them XXX amount, who gets it from the person before them, and before them, etc, until it goes back to the originator. It wouldn't leave the middle nodes empty at all because they're receiving the funds from the node before them.
Jayden Phillips
Lol if im a merchant expecting to receive 5k this month I need a channel with 5k in it. You really dont realize how retarded that is?
Its like saying I have to load up my paypal with 5k just so I can receive 5k. Thinking any shop will use this is the pinnacle of retardation.
Jaxson Foster
Lol at op comparing bitcoin to an IT company. Kys
Julian Johnson
more reason to buy NANO
Luis Miller
You just admitted to knowing they would make channels with other high value nodes. You also admitted knowledge of receiving fees. That would mean they wouldn't be losing anything as they'd receive fees or be in a partnership with a trusted Node known to make money. They would need to channel a total of $5000 to receive $5000 but it doesn't need to be in one channel. But that's why they would create channels with the trusted nodes. If they're going to receive money what's the issue with locking it up if they're only locking with high value trusted nodes? This is the situation you're describing that there is apparently an issue with. While it's locked up there are no fees. The channel can be dissolved at any time, so it's not lost or totally unusable, and they can receive part of the fees from other people transacting if it passes through their node, so what exactly is the issue you're trying to imply exists?
Do you keep all your cash under a mattress because you don't want to keep an open bank account to receive direct deposits into?
Austin Kelly
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Carson Rivera
The currency still needs to settle on chain eventually, even if it's infrequent. A currency's value is all about trust.
Trust comes from scarcity, security, and history.
Even if every altcoin could work on the LN, it really wouldn't be much different that altcoins now on exchanges. It's not like the price of altcoins would suddenly shoot up, and bitcoin shoot down.
If a normie wanted to buy a crypto to use for everyday transactions. What do you think he/she'll buy? The most trusted currency with the highest amount of scarcity, security, and history: bitcoin.