Saturday:

is this a joke? You ate more calorie dense food than he did.

>he clearly eats more than I do, yet he's a CHAD and I'm a fat robot.

That's pretty unlikely, overall. I've met many people who made the "observations" you did, but they are far from long-term or accurate.

I had a friend back in college who would go out and order massive amounts of fast food. It made him look like a serious lardass....but then the next day he wouldn't eat a single thing.

Make a long-term and accurate assessment of what you are both eating, and you'll probably find that you are greatly over-estimating how much he eats (and/or under-estimating how much you eat).

I had a friend who was one of those assholes who would eat one normal meal during the day and something unhealthy in the evening and claim that he simply couldn't gain weight while in reality he was eating around 1200-1400 kcal a day.

Luckily he started lifting and grasped the concept of calories in vs. calories out and became less of a retard about nutrition.

>I walk almost 15 kilometers a day

Well the problem is that you're clearly lying. Count claories instead of steps. Read the Veeky Forums Sticky. I used to think I can't lose weight with a reasonable effort but turns out I was just being an uninformed moron.

For some people losing weight is much easier than for others due to metabolic differences. But with a bit of research and will power anyone can do it.

Maybe you should eat less you literal retard

>man takes 3 bites, doesn't get fat
>woman drinks what probably is double-concentrate sugary drink, gets fat
Makes sense to me.

Metabolism. Whoever said life was fair?

But that's not backed up by the facts. There have been many studies done, and the vast majority of people have very similar metabolic rates. In other words, the metabolism between different people varies by very little.

It is far more likely that someone is mis-counting the amount of food being eaten.

It is, pretty sure there are many if not more but actually accurate studies showing how lifestyle and diet effects metabolism. I don't expect someone who's overweight and sedentary to have the energy someone who eats healthy and lives an active lifestyle.

>Genetics

Nobody is denying that diet (and other factors) can change metabolism. The issue is that the differences are much smaller than people tend to think they are.

examine.com/faq/does-metabolism-vary-between-two-people/

It's easy to blame "muh genetics" for being fat, or to say "oh, she's skinny because her metabolism is fast". But unless one of the people is an honest-to-goodness medical oddity, that's not true.

This, desu.

OP, amount =/= calories, just because you ate a smaller amount doesn't mean you ate less calories. Because you didn't. Your brother also ate healthier food, since as complex carbs (oats).

>Fat neet a few years back
>Decide to lose some weight cause I'm not doing anything better with my life
>Literally all I did was count calories and eat only 1200-1500 a day, still sat around and did nothing but play games and maybe go for an occasional walk due to boredom
>Went from 250 to 160

I may not have muscle, but the fat is gone. Losing weight is ALL about counting calories. OP, that food you had probably equals to about 2000-2500 calories, it's not a mystery you're losing weight. I used to think I didn't eat all that much, and my eating patterns and choices were similar to yours. As for you brother, considering he's a CHAD, as you put it, he probably works out and leads an active life style, which allows him to maintain his weight eating all that food.

learn to eat for pure necessity. food will also taste better.

you're only supposed to eat when you need energy to do something. if you're going to do the laundry, eat 3 grapes. yes. 3 grapes. in the morning have ONE slice of toast with butter. try to find a cow and get a gallon of raw milk and make your own butter. basically you let it sit there, skim the cream off the top, and then shake the living fuck out of the cream. butter happens. you can just go jogging with a jar of cream in your hand and kill two birds with one stone.

you really need an expansive mind to do it.

consider exercise. look up this insanely muscular asian dude who has a technique with testosterone and leptin production.

This, metabolism is a fucking meme.

I've always thought metabolism is more about when you get full, how long you stay satisfied, and how often you get hungry, rather than calorie value veriation. Like the whole point of breakfast is that it boosts your metabolism by preventing you from binge eating during lunch yeah?

But that's not what metabolism actually is, user. That's some silly definition that you have in your head.

My goodness, OP, I hope you're just a shitposting baiter, because otherwise you have NO idea how calories, fat, or nutrition works.

Are you drinking enough water?

OP is probably lazy and due bro probably goes to the gym on a daily basis. Also.

>10 chicken tenders

Made yourself from a single chicken breast? From a bag in your freezer? What's in the breading?

>Two glasses of tea.

That you made? From a bottle in your fridge?

>Clam chowder

You're not making these things, are you?

>Two pieces of Peanut butter toast for breakfast

> peanut butter
> white bread

No wonder you're a fat piece of shit.

The diet of your brother looks much better.

The whole "eating breakfast everyday" thing is a meme. I lost significant weight(somewhat accidentally)around when,amongst other things, I stopped eating breakfast

This.
Sounds like all OP eats is processed foods.

They need to show the inter-frames where the man is doing work and being active, while the fat bitch thinks she's a princess and just sits on her lazy ass all day eating ice cream and bon bons watching Maury and Dr. Phil wondering why the current cuck that puts up with her not cleaning, cleaning or doing anything around the house doesn't treat her like the princess/queen she is.

First of all it sounds like your bro has much better taste.. Also he probably works out fat people complain too much being decent is really simple.. If you eat a lot then work out if don't wanna work out then don't eat a lot.. Calories in and out

Probably cause the guy actually works

That is completely incorrect.

You'll burn calories doing anything. Will you burn less from walking compared to running? Of course. But you will still burn calories from walking.

OP is obviously american thinking they eat little. You disgusting fat shit, are you even considered human? fuck you and your life

Stuff like this obviously does exist though. I have friends who eat like a pig and just sit on their arses all day long and don't ever put on a pound. They can barely build any muscle, though.

This. OP is a piece of shit and an animal.

Yes you technically burn calories existing, you can burn calories lying in bed doing nothing or sitting on your computer shitposting on Veeky Forums. You will burn the daily calories you burn, you won't be building a deficit which is what's required to lose weight.

Doing literally anything beyond existing will build you a deficit. Do you think BMR and TDEE are the same thing?

Walking burns more calories than sitting on your computer posting on Veeky Forums.

As much as running? No, of course not. But it's still much better than being sedentary.

You're arguing semantics. The bottom line is there is no deficit because of their dietary habits. If they continue their dietary habits then the only way to create a deficit is to increase metabolic rate. Yes walking burns more than sitting, I never stated otherwise. My point that it's pointless if they're not changing their diet or don't modify their caloric intake.

>original post said walking wouldn't burn calories
>say it does

I'm arguing exactly the correct point. And that stuff you're arguing in this post doesn't matter. If you expend more calories than you intake, you lose weight, it's that simple.

If you burn 1500 calories a day, and eat 1000, you'll lose weight. It's as simple as that.

You already had this exact same thread on /r9k/. The calories are coming from somewhere, you fat piece of shit.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Eaters

7832053 here. I was replying to the assertion made in :

>you won't be building a deficit which is what's required to lose weight.

That's not true. Because walking burns calories. Thus it could contribute to weight loss.

Metabolic rate is not very important for weight loss. It changes very little. On the other hand, activity (like walking, running, sports, etc.) outright burns calories.

Most effective weight loss: eat fewer calories
Next most effective: burn more calories by increasing activity
Least: changes of metabolic rate

Ideally, one would be doing all three.
The reason why diet is more effective than activity (exercise) is because it takes quite a lot of effort exercising to burn off calories than it does to simply not eat those calories in the first place--at least for most people.

Yeah, my original post said counting steps is pointless, that they should be counting calories. Counting steps isn't going to tell you how much calories you burnt because it doesn't take into account the metabolic rate.

The metabolic rate varies so little that we don't need to account for it.

No, where are your references to this?

Why are you guys arguing this is simple shit counting steps is fucking useless it's a meme that's makes people feel like they don't have to exercise cause they "walked" 3 miles.. All you have to do is count calories and balance it so it fits your exercise routine.

Read the thread. There was already a link posted above to a basic overview.

There was also an excellent research paper about this very topic that came out of Japan a year or two ago. The paper is in English so you can easily read it, but I'm not in a position where I can find a link for it right now.

There's also basic common sense--conservation of energy. If I run a mile or I walk a mile I have moved my body the same distance in either case. Now walking takes longer, so if you were measuring calories burned per unit time then they would look different. But as far as total distance traveled goes the results are very similar. I'm not saying there is no difference--I'm saying the difference is less important than other things (the total distance traveled, and the total amount of food eaten)

Doing harder cardio has other benefits, like exercising your heart, but as far as weight loss goes the total distance/effort is much more important than the rate.

JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE EATING BETTER DOESNT MEAN YOU'RE EATING LESS YOU RETARD. THIS IS BASIC SCIENCE. IF YOU EAT LESS CALORIES THAN YOU BURN, THEN YOU LOSE WEIGHT.

>10 chicken tenders and two glasses of tea for lunch
What sort of retarded lunch is that?

I lost 5 kilos to calories in/out.

Shit's easy, use myfitnesspal app.
I just set an objective, scan bar codes or search ingredients and bam i know what i eat and all i have to do is meet my objectives.

Takes 5 min a day. I still have 35 kilos to go. ez

>i get fast food probably once a month.

One time a month too many

> i drink unsweet tea instead of soda.

Still has calories

> i get brown rice instead of white rice.

This has no effect on the calories retard and you probably couldn't tell me why you thought it was """"heathier""" aside from remembering seeing it on the cover of a women's health magazine

> i grill chicken instead of frying it.

Who cares, the calorie diff is negligible and you probably dump sweet and sour sauce on it

Also conspicuously missing from your shitty blog are actual fucking measurements like "1/2 cup rice" or 250g chicken"

>chicken as a meme

Don't you fucking dare insult the walking bird of gains again.

> eating the food pyramid

I hate triangle shaped foods. I don't even eat Doritos. How am I supposed to eat a pyramid?

If it took you your whole life to get as fat as you are, why do you expect losing weight to be any faster? These things take time.

>Metabolic rate is not very important for weight loss. It changes very little.
after i lost 200 pounds in a year my metabolism is quite downregulated, had a RMR test done and for my height/weight it's about 250kcal less than what it should be.

>why do you expect losing weight to be any faster?
Because it usually is.

>calories

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means

I feel the same way about acne. My brother eats awful shit but has a relatively clear face. I eat no junk and have a clean diet but still get awful whiteheads.

Literally never had pimples in my life. Get on my genetic level you mudblood

Fat unhealthy fucks with miraculously spotless skin have triggered me since I was a spotty teen.
I had moderate acne from 13-18sh and developed sebbhoreic dermatitis when I was like 16. 25 now and I literally haven't had normal skin for half of my lifespan and possibly never will.
I'm honestly just proud of myself that I came out of my teenage years with any sort of self-esteem whatsoever.
Hey, it can always be much much worse though. Just hope it clears up by your early 20s.

Maybe stop being a jealous faggot and hit the gym?

Post cleavage

27 in August. Not a day goes by that there aren't at least two white heads that leave behind red marks for two weeks or more.

So many retards in this thread. Why is Veeky Forums so stupid about nutrition?
>muh metabolism
>muh caloric deficit
>muh exercise
None of you understand how this works.

>retards on Veeky Forums

Are you really surprised?

Stop posting at any time.

Energy in Energy out ;)

>STEM majors
Pathetic

literally this. Most underrated post in this shitty bait thread.

I did the same thing, lost like 60 lbs doing nothing. The thing most people don't understand about weight loss is that it's just thermodynamics. Calories in=Calories out. Literally only the way to lose weight absent surgery is to eat at a deficit, and literally the only way to gain weight is to eat at a surplus.

so tell master how is it done because you seem to be highly educated on that topic with all your arguments

Do people not realize OP was making a joke?

see a dermatologist and get a scrip for antibiotics, acne is the result of infections

>i walk 15 km a day
>i walk for 2-3 hours a day
>impossible

holy shit user, you're unfit as fuck

I am a 115 pound manlet who eats way too much. I don't gain significant amounts of weight, but I am still "skinny fat."

>what is excercise?

Walking isn't exercising

You know, there are studies that suggest stressing out over food contributes to getting fat.

This entire thing is really simple.

If you eat more calories than the amount of calories that your body burns then you will gain weight. If you eat less calories than what you burn, then you will lose weight.

Either eat less calories or burn more of them by doing sport. Nothing is unfair about this, you are just doing it wrong.

99% of instances where people think they have "bad genes" is just them missing the big picture or eating the wrong food. You don't have to eat small portions to lose weight. If you see a thin guy eat 3000 calories at Burger King then that means he probably doesn't eat anything else that day and he will eat way less calories on other days of the week.

Also your body size and sex have an influence on the amount of calories you need. Calculate how much you need here:
fitnessfrog.com/calculators/tdee-calculator.html

Go to Veeky Forums and read the sticky for more info.

>Walking isn't exercising
Summer.

High protein high fat high carb high FIBER. Moderate sugars. Salt. Lots of water. Never fall for the "low fat", "gluten free", "juiced", "antioxidant", and "super food" bullshit. You need fats, damnit, stop being afraid of them, salt too while you're at it. Gluten is good protein it's just that we fuck up our wheat here in Americlap. Juicing sucks, if you like juice have blended shit instead so you at least get fiber. Antioxidants are a fucking meme you can have too much. Super foods do not exist just balance your fucking diet. Sugar is sweet because you do want it, just not that much save it for a treat. Like actually a treat, not "I deserve this now". Cut preservatives whenever possible, it's not "chemicals" that will kill you just a bunch of shit you don't need.
Nobody, nobody, nobody gets enough fiber and water.

Dieting is a real pain in the ass desu senpai.

At least I'm contempt with being a fat fuck as long as I can enjoy eating whatever I want and don't give a fuck what people think.

Not him but walking is such a weak exercise that you might as well not even do it. It burns so few calories for time spent that you could just not eat in the first place and be more productive. The heart needs to be racing.

Try eating less calorie dense foods and drink more water as it will make you feel fuller on less calories. And eat a small calorie deficit with some daily light exercise which could literally be going for a walk every evening.

I've never really heard of this idea before but when your body thinks your starving it purposely slows your metabolism down. On a diet of calorie dense foods you need to eat a lot of physically feel full. 500 calories worth of oil doesn't even fill up a quarter of the average persons stomach. Where as 500 calories of rice and beans or salad with no dressing would leave a person feeling physically full.
So wouldn't eating a calorie deficit of calorie dense foods make your body think that it is starving? After all feeling full has jack shit to do with your calorie intake and more to do with the volume.
And even cutting out calories eating 500 calories of chicken nuggets will leave your stomach empty and craving more.

A 180 pound person burns about 100 calories per mile walked.

So fat ass who weighs more will burn more calories on a walk

Also for someone who is just starting to exercise its better to take baby steps

Imagine stepping into a gym for the first time and saying I'll run 20 miles or I'll start all my lifts at 150 lbs. you'd either hurt yourself or never come back because of how terribly hard and shitty it was

Walking is great for people who literally have been sitting on their ass for years and stuffing their faces. It's a good starting point.

You don't need to exercise just stop drinking soda eating processed sugar shit and don't eat 2 cups of rice per meal

Just walking two kilometers to work/school back and forth instead of taking the bus burns like 500 calories. Yes it's inefficient compared to actual sport, but it also is just walking. It's a great way to burn calories if you are too lazy for actual sport.

junk science

Ck can I lose weight while still being a alcoholic? I try to walk 5 miles a day and I avoid soda and sugar, but I like beer too much to give it up.

If you are an alcoholic that only drinks beer you have no fucking chance look how many calories are in it

You have to eat a lot less. My dad is a super thin alcoholic who eats about one meal a day (sometimes nothing).

I usually only eat one meal a day at dinner. It doesn't help that I'm in grad school an all we do is drink to drown our miseries. Maybe once I get a real job...

It was just a theory I came up with I never said it was he truth. But please explain to me why I am wrong.

I got the whole idea for the volume thing because you could drink water to stave off hunger despite not consuming any calories at all. It's not like your stomach can count calories. Otherwise it would be hard to over eat cause once you stomach senses you ate enough calories to survive it would trigger a sense of fullness.

Same rules apply, check the calories per beer. If you take in less calories than you burn, yeah you will lose weight.

I don't have to tell you that this lifestyle is unhealthy.

Use more energy than you take in.
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