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I don't believe taxation is theft, I believe my taxation is theft. Worthless peasant slaves can pay all the taxes they want.

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>put gun to someone's head and rob them
>no it's okay officer I didn't steal from them they had a choice and decided to give me their money
Taxation is LITERALLY THEFT

>Supports taxation
>Doesn't mind Ahmed is raping him and living off his taxes
>Claims this is a functioning society

I see a cuck.

I love how all the synonyms of tax are some variation of burdensome. Everyone already knows that taxation only exists to support all the superfluous people, and their insistence on taxation rather than charity is an admission that even they know that they are many too many.

As a community member you know what your community needs and are incentivized to help sense you directly benefit from it as do other community members. The money doesn’t go to waste on pointless shit the government feels like spending the money on and you don’t get raped financially. We need to rethink taxes now that crypto has shifted the way people think about money in general. We really need to ask ourselves , has taxation stopped serving its original purpose and now goes to finding things that the citizens will never benefit from (multi trillion dollar black projects, nsa, cia, military advancements 10 years ahead, scientific breakthroughs not released to the public, social programs that don’t serve the middle class etc.)

If there is no tax there is no society which means there is no Crypto Currency which means there will be tax

Tax is always the winner

>If there is no tax there is no society

stockholm syndrome much?

Explain how a large scale society would work without taxes. I know you're all braindead /pol/tards, maybe I can get one or two of you to pick up a book.

Yes, that is still about tax allocation, not about taxes in general. Taxes are needed if you want to run a functioning society, you cannot argue against this.

>Grew up going to a public school
>Using technology developed using tax dollars (the Internet)
>Uses public roads constructed using tax dollars
>Eats food that is safe because of government regulation
>Community is kept safe through the help of police and fire departments (paid for by taxes)
REEEEE TAXATION IS THEFT

idiot.

private ventures offering services, duh?
everything there's a market for will be done by private corporations, and where there's no market, it's not worth doing.
fuck your roads, flying cars ftw!

mises.org/library/life-without-state-always-chaos

If you go down that road, you destroy what the "little people" have left. No controlling instance that judges which community needs what service means the community with the most money and best perspective will get the best infrastructure. You doom 80% of your country to wither and die.

Snow Crash was a parody

>be swede
>shitty schools and didnt even have enough teachers
>Using technology developed using tax dollars (the Internet)
i have to pay for that
>Uses public roads constructed using tax dollars
no i dont i have to pay for my transportation, no trains here
>Eats food that is safe because of government regulation
lol
>Community is kept safe through the help of police and fire departments (paid for by taxes)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA yeah thats not true.
I havent got shit from this country.

>community with the most money and best perspective will get the best infrastructure

like it's supposed to be? fuck the little people if all they do is suck others blood out instead of improving their own situation. I don't know these people and experience tells me I won't like them. why should I care about them?

>No controlling instance
you don't want a service, don't pay for it. you want one pay for it or make it happen yourself. what's so hard to understand about personal responsibility?

Private ventures are going to charge you for the service. therefore you are taxed by them.

You will subsripbe to private police, private medical service, private bin collection, private road paving for the roads you walk in only, private military, private education etc . You will become a slave because you cannot afford it all

Private ventures are competitive and has high chance of lowering charges to survive the competition.

>Private ventures are going to charge you for the service. therefore you are taxed by them.

wtf, m8? of course they're going to charge, but it's not a tax because I don't have to pay if I don't want their fucking product, unlike taxes.

I'm all in for private police, because when they have to be afraid if losing their jobs when they fuck up. Private everything means also no monopoly. I'd love having private medical servivces, because there'd be competiton, meaning increased technological development and I wouldn't have to pay for fatsos and other diabetics.

Individualism; babbies first philosophy. Until he is stung by a wasp that is and cries out for mommy.

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>Takes philosophy into account
>Tries hard to insult others
You sound underaged.

>t. 12 year old who has never witnessed the effects of privatization of municipal services.

Fuck off you teenage faggot. Your projection is so fucking obvious too. Holy shit. You make me sad that the whole teenage suicide thing is just a meme.

>yes goyim, we need to abolish the state so that (((private business))) can take its place

HAHAHAHA

Teenage angst is seeping!

Go and fap to your hentai, kid. Your balls barely dropped.

Come back in a few years time.

>projection
Remember kid. Down the road, not across the street.

>tio
these privatisations usually are nepotistic in nature and create quasi-monopolies due to single corporations being born from state monopoly.

leave this board at once, commie

>Hints at cutting
Ooooo edgy!

You kids are pathetic these days. Good thing we have the Internet to contain you.

>Capitalism and Communism are the only two options.

So idealistic!

Definitely a 12 year old.

If you aren't a libertarian by the age of 12 you have no money.
If you are still a libertarian by the age of 18 you are illiterate.

Literally kill yourself straight to reddit you fucking literal child. Your post is bad. You are bad. Just fucking choke on a dick you fedora tipping libertarian faggot.

And you're still trying hard to win an argument in an imageboard.

Why are you not in your class young man?

HAHAHA

Trying this hard.

See, this is why I know you're under 18.

You have no idea how the world works kid.

>Libertarian telling somebody they have no idea how the world works.

>Another insult
>Complimented with a GIF
Hahaha, try hard

I'm going to lunch, I don't want to see you here when I get back. Go do your homework or something.

YES:
mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian

Private = get profit

Government = look after the people

You're dreaming if you think there won't be monopolies. The will be one or two companies who do all these private services.

Why the fuck would you rather use a private company where you have no say instead of the government where you can at least vote on what happens

believe it or no, the government is ran by people no aliens and they're doing what the people want most of the time. a private company will do what their share holders want to make profit thats it.

you have that completely upside down

>uses cryptocurrencies to buy oestrogen from drug markets.

profit is good, because it depends on the people VOLUNTARY paying.
government only relies on coercion and is therefore a vehicle for the corporations to generate profit without providing a benefit to the public. literally all regulations are effectively created for this very reason: to exclude competition from the market place.

you're dreaming if you believe the government to be a force of good.

you have no say in government action. what power does your vote really hold? to elect who will exploit you? a corporation depends on your money, a politician once elected owes you nothing.

> the government is ran by people

that's what I'm afraid of.

> they're doing what the people want most of the time.

a) they don't. criminalisation of marijiuana for instance is a great example, even though I don't care much for it. and
b) people, when not held back by costs, usually want shit. for instance redistribution of wealth from others pockets into their own.
in the case of democracy you have 80 poor guys deciding over the property of 20 rich guys. how is this a good idea? or having 80 stupid idiots decide over the fate of 20 smart guys?

> a private company will do what their share holders want

which is more profit, which then again depends on customer satisfaction - you're the customer: they want you to be happy.

You're saying that government is corrupted by cooperation so we need to get rid of government and use corporations instead because they will be better for us. mate we have the govenrment and they're still fucking us. imagine we didn't have a government and it was a free for all. we'd be enslaved

>a) they don't. criminalisation of marijiuana for instance is a great example, even though I don't care much for it. and

if the majority wanted marijuan lega then they'd elect the mother fucker who will make it legal instead of trump

>which then again depends on customer satisfaction

Comcast

I can allocate the money better than the govt
trust me

no, I'm saying without the direct force of coercion that government provides corporations have less to little ability of skewing the market in their favour.

>imagine we didn't have a government and it was a free for all

then there wasn't a way for a corp. to enact a law.

right, that was qucik only after what? 70 years. how about you look at the refugee crisis in europe: I'm sure people wanted that.

you're free to change your provider or not use the service at all.

Libertarian Party, is that you

>to enact a law.

speaking of that, which company is going to write the laws

Agreed.

For any population over 10,000 government is required.

And government requires money.

The problem in the western world is that we let minority whining fuel a governent rewrite where spending and size went thru the roof.

Just tax usage/consumption of state owned scale projects such as electricity, water, streets, trains etc and funnel that into education security services etc

If there is not enough money coming in the state needs ti be slimmer, not the tax % higher

how do you mean? if you ask for historic examples there are plenty. for instance in the us there has been a tariff on coat hangers from china. who do you think that serves? right, that one single factory in the us that produces coat hangers, that imposes an additional cost of several million usd on dry washers.

all done under the premise of 'protecting american labour', but I think it's more than obvious who truly signs responsibility for that one.

Without the "superfluous" people we would not have the manual labor required that allows our entire existence

T. Jesus Ramirez

On a voluntary basis

This. Bought my first home this year and hired Comcast for my TV and Internet.

The story is so ridiculous it's hard to believe. Never seen a more incompetent business in my life. And yet they still make billions.

The focus should be on what exactly is taxed. Id like a model where actual use of ressources is taxed, not income. If i use a ton of electricity or water id gladly pay tax on it. If i put my income towards education, crypto and other intangible assets i think taxation doesnt serve its purpose of evening out consumption. Income =|= consumption

that's nice. but if you take that step, why not open these markets to competition and make them thus more effective?
and also other government services. private schools aren't exactly unheard of, and will inevitably become less expensive once economics of scale come in.
the same goes for police force. do you truly care whether you get protected by a government supplied thug or a private force when the outcome is the same? you'd even get the benefit of choosing what services you want in your community and how they are implemented. that's hardly possible nowadays given that most of the regulatory framework is decided upon in another part of the country.

so why do you stick with them? and do you think people will keep using them in the future given their reputation?

>>Cant smoke weed cuz kept illegal and pursued with tax dollars
>>Forced to go to schools built w tax dollars
>>Retarded welfare state and redistribution policies funded with tax dollars
>>Fucking wars fought for the interest of multinationals w tax dollars
>>Most useless ministries and inefficient government bureaucracy funded w tax dollars

Trump would sign a bill abolishing marijuana criminalization if it meant economic growth for the country (which it would). But the congress has to present him with a bill to sign he's not some fucking dictator.

>11 years old

>muh infrastructure

you do realize that most tax money is spent on paying off sovereign debt, welfare, the military and straight up wasted on bullshit
jesus christ the level of cuckery from you taxfags is unbelievable
the state could have a 10% flat tax and easily pay for muh infrastructure if it was actually run in an efficient way

In the US you're lucky if you have 3 choices in providers for certain regions

Because of government interventionist shit like this:
arstechnica com/tech-policy/2014/02/isp-lobby-has-already-won-limits-on-public-broadband-in-20-states/
Tax dollars used to stifle competition - perfect....

its more complicated than that. taxation is necessary, but in practice it is mostly theft.

government workers spending $1000 on a morning tea for 3 people? yes, that is theft. i used to work for the government and the amount of taxpayer money my tiny shitty little local government department would spend on morning teas, lunches, over the top conference halls, venison, lobster, personalized pens and keyrings, knicks and knacks, you name it, it would blow anyones mind. in practice, taxation is theft because departments of the government will never ever go under their allocated budget for the year. never. do you ever notice that near the end of a financial year you will suddenly see a shitload of unnecessary roadworks and public projects? thats because if a department doesnt spend its allocation, the next year the budget gets cut to reflect its operating costs. so they waste money on purpose and buy stupid shit. i was a part of this cycle and it is systemic across all levels of government. in theory it is necessary to have taxes but the truth is far uglier. if people really knew what even a local municipal government is spending their money on they would torture their mayors and councilmen to death

D E M O C R A C Y W O R K S O N L Y O N A C O M M U N I T Y S C A L E

>taxation is theft because departments of the government will never ever go under their allocated budget for the year
So much this. Worked in gov for 6 years. We had PALLETS of brand new servers just sitting collecting dust with no intention of deployment. Hundreds of thousands of dollars of hardware just because muh budget. They would end up at public auction a decade later with 0 hours of runtime. Incredible the amount of waste fraud and abuse.

so you have a choice, plus the additional choices of 'not using it' and 'doing it on your own'. I know the latter two aren't very desirable, but you still have them. You can make things better if you want.

In germany for instance you're forced to pay for public broadcasting regardless of whether you want it or not - or even use it or not.
In the UK, if memory serves me right, you do not even have the chance of creating a radio station of your own.

Back in the 80s and I think even early 90s, in germany telecommunication was a government monopoly, resulting in you being fined for using anything above 28 kbit in the age of 52 kbit modems while paying enormous amounts for the service (being billed by the minute)

That's the problem with government: you don't get to choose what you want and whether you want it or not. You get forced - and because of lack of market forces, what you get is inefficient and subpar.

I bet you, as much as I, can think of a more profitable and more beneficial use of your money than wasting the majority of it on administration and the rest going to some poor fellow at the other end of the country. You will never meet him, and most likely if you do you will get robbed by him. Whereas when you improve your own situation for yourself, your community will directly profit from it through the invisible hand of the market.

The idea of governments being somehow superior is ridiculous, because they are in fact monopolies in the market place, with the addition of being able to use force.

I'm sorry for rambling.

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Archer S6EP13 touched on this. Makes you wonder how many wars are started to waste money in the budget

the solution to this is honestly extreme violence against scumbags who abuse the system. we could actually achieve this too, even though its just my dumbcunt internet fantasy that will never happen. if the members of the public generally had such a bad sentiment towards wasteful government officials, we could just murder them and have the jury decide not guilty every time, high fives outside the courtroom. eventually cops would get so bored with investigating these go-nowhere cases that getting away with killing a government official would be easier than killing a 60 year old black prostitute. you cant have a society without taxes, but the waste that goes on is just unacceptable. governments and journalists need to fear for their lives every time they make a decision or open their rotting stinking mouths. signatures should be made with trembling hands and words spoken should be carefully considered.

kek probably true though. i know for sure that during military operations, if say some artillery shells are about to go out of date (high explosive ammo expires over time) they will say "find something to shoot these at", so it probably does scale up a lot more than that. its just sort of a feature of the system by the looks of it and its frustrating as hell. id be fucking livid if a was one of those people paying like 40-60% tax

/this
taxation at this point is a joke since theyre just using their printed money and putting you and your children in debt to buy more votes and import more shitskins
dont even get me started on (((((((womens rights))))))) and their political and sexual (((((liberation))))) any white man who isnt pushing against this and doesnt see this as a way to stomp their throats is a certified KEK

Theft implies taking without asking.

People can willingly give taxes where they know it benefits the system.

However we know historically that taxes are not used for the entire good of the state. For example: we can easily pay for the student debts if all Americans, and even commit a portion of the taxes to provide free universal post secondary education. All it takes is a small portion from the “defence and military” budget to raise everyone out of poverty (in America).

I was reading “Looking Backwards” by Edward Bellamy where the idea of a Nation State actually took care of its citizens. Mind you this was written in the 1800’s where the idea of communism and socialism were not yet unified or intellectualized until the tail end of that century with the publication of “The communist manifesto”. The State ensured that every citizen were given jobs and had a system to incentivize to do good and rise through the ranks. They were given mandatory work like it is mandatory to study... and they were paid in a currency that is accepted within the State for cheap clothing, housing, and food. This was a sharp contrast to the capitalistic system where jobs were scarce and the poor were starving for work. I believe a reasonable system could work under an AI mediator and arbitrator where corruption will be computationally impossible. It’s just that today the needs of the individual are not actually cared for by The State (which they should considering the taxes that they pay) and are left to the power of capitalism.

Wow all of national socialism has been btfo. Your author appears to have earnt his phd under Ludwig von Mises (jew) in NYC, and then proceeded to study under Ayn Rand (jew). What a surprise.

>People can willingly give taxes

how about you try not paying for once.

as fore the rest:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_calculation_problem

you're trying to quantify the unquantifiable and gather information that's hardly 'gatherable'

Lolbertarians are the most deluded people. There is a reason that 100% of countries have taxes, and it's not some kind of conspiracy.

what a thoroughly thought through counter argument. what will you disprove next? (((relativity))), (((quantum physics))) or even (((microwaves)))?

flagtheory.com/tax-free-countries/

>free
the moment you used that word you outed yourself as a dumbass bernie bro. fuck off commie nigger

You cant just throw me an entire wiki article, give mean hypothesis or something.

The idea that the people work and labour for the system instead of capitalistic corporations is not really a bad idea. The book addresses people who are unable to work and provide equally as others (such as handicapped people) and other smaller details.

And what do you know people actually liked going to work because they know their basic needs will be met as long as they did their jobs. Thy worked for the Nation State and the Nation State took care of them.

The book also outlines a system where an individual can start a business using his or her own credits and to provide extraneous devices and goods outside of the State provided products.