Bleeding Veggie Burger

Chang is now selling bleeding veggie burgers at Momofuku Nishi for $12 a pop. They have the texture of meat and they "bleed", but they are entirely vegetarian.

Thoughts?

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Aside from "doing the impossible", I don't really see the point.

I thought a large part of people who follow "Pythagorean diets" did it in part because they didn't want to hurt animals.

Why would simulated bleeding be a positive?

I don't think the recent wave of veggie burgers is aimed specifically at vegetarians. Part of it is trying to prove a point, that veggie burgers do not have to suck, they can actually be delicious.

But there's another target: the meat eater who is increasingly uncomfortable with the idea of eating CAFO meat. Getting your hands on non-CAFO meat is crazy expensive. This is an alternative.

Then there's just the fact that Chang likes playing with expectations, so how could he resist a veggie burger that "bleeds"?

only jacks burgers bleed. burgers shouldnt bleed.

veganism is cancer and a huge cultural mistake.

>veganism is cancer
It wouldn't really exist to any meaningful degree if the industrialized farming of animals wasn't so fucking ugly. If you're not lucky enough to have your own farm or a good relationship with local farmers veganism is just hedging your bets against garbage tier meat and dairy products produced under absolutely disgusting conditions.

what is cafo meat? im a beef farmer small time but never the less a beef farmer

I can understand people's aversion to factory farming. But you don't have to eliminate meat 100% to avoid that, you can simply restrict your meat eating to sources that are not factory farmed.

I don't see the point in a veggie burger. Meat substitutes prove that meat is a food that's worth eating. If you think it's unethical to kill animals, but you desire their flesh, then that makes you a fucking hypocrite as far as I'm concerned. If your stance is that we don't need to have animal suffering to survive, then why are you so hell-bent on mimicking it? Clearly there's a lot of value to it, and we should slaughter animals for our pleasure. This "have cake and eat it to" mentality is barking up the wrong tree.

I'm a meat eater, but I'll order the bean curd or vegetable stir fry when doing Chinese take-out. I fucking love falafel and baba ghanoush. Dal and vegetable curries are amazing. Few things are better than a homemade vegetable soup. Sometimes I just want to eat light.

Meat requires very little skill to make tasty whereas vegetables are far more challenging. These people are not committed enough to their fad diet to actually learn how to sustain themselves on it, and so they want realistic meat substitutes to hide the fact that they're all terrible fucking cooks.

>jack
Fuck off, retard.

thankfully in the US we have something called "health regulations" which prevent dirty and diseased meat from being sold

unfortunately other countries do not seem to think you need them

Meat raised like pic related.
I agree completely, but for many, many Americans getting their hands on meat that hasn't been factory farmed is impractical or impossible. For these folks something very like veganism is a legit option.

What on earth do health regulations have to do with the post you replied to?

Nobody is talking about diseased meat. The idea is that if you are offended by the idea of factory farming then you can buy free-range meat instead.

>they want realistic meat substitutes to hide the fact that they're all terrible fucking cooks.
While you're completely right about meat and plant based dishes both being delicious you're missing the point of meat substitutes. I eat meat, but I'd like to avoid industrially farmed meat. This means I eat very little meat, and most of it is expensive. If someone came up with a legit substitute for the cheap shit like ground beef and sausages I would happily eat that instead of industrially farmed meat.
That's why we have Food Libel Laws, rite?

Field roast Italian sausages are p good substitute on pizza or in pasta of diced up for chorizo tacos

I tried the nishi burger.

I'm what you'd call a flexitarian--I avoid cooking/eating meat but I cannot claim to be strict about it. I made this change in November of last year so I haven't completely forgotten the taste of meat but I definitely have reduced its place in my diet. So that's the perspective in coming from.

Overall, I'd give it a solid B. Chang loves making references to other food memories and it's pretty obvious he's recreating a Big Mac, depressing unmelted American cheese and all. The patty tastes a little weird if you take a piece of it on its own, but in-burger it does a remarkable job of recreating the experience of beef. It's definitely more burger-like than the other popular meatless options in the city (by chloe, shroom burger at shake shack, superiority burger), and it goes remarkably well with his ssam sauce (more so than the fuku sandwich). Fries were pretty good as well (comparable to Burger King)

Given that Nishi is probably going to be mobbed for a while, i don't expect it to become a regular part of my diet unless the place gets a little less crazy. OTOH the strict vegans I befriended on line were losing their shit.

I could see the beef working in tacos and chilli, and others well seasoned dishes, or shake shack/in and out style burgers but I'm not sure I could see it replacing a pub burger. I'm definitely looking forward to when the ingredient becomes liberated from Changistan and other chefs can take a crack at it (an impossible beef bolognese is my dream)
All that being said, I drunkenly got a Roquefort burger last night from the spotted pig and this doesn't even come close. Then again that's one of the burgers I've ever had, so that's possibly an unfair comparison.

If you wanna check it out, head there maybe 20-30 min before it opens and you shouldn't have a problem.

Bleeding is unrelated to animal pain. The bleeding just refers to the fact it's juicy like you would expect from a standard burger - it acts like a normal burger even though it isn't.

Either way, $12 seems a very fair price. I've been to plenty non-fast food burger places that charge more than that. Would try if I lived close by.

It's not all about ethics in regards to animals but also in regards to the resources it requires to raise them.

Surprised this hasn't been posted yet:
youtube.com/watch?v=CHayzP41CLc

We still like the flavor and texture.
Also more variety shows that we dont just eat lettuce all day.

Thanks for chiming in!
>Field roast Italian sausages
I like those a lot, but hate going to Whole Foods to get them.
>an impossible beef bolognese is my dream
I am very interested in this as well.
>Roquefort burger last night from the spotted pig
That burger is fucking amazing. Another one to check out for the next time you fall off the wagon would be the deep fried "the Slav" burger at Korzo in Brooklyn. It takes half an hour to make, but you'll remember it for months.
>If you wanna check it out
I'm on the fence. I'm fascinated and curious, but hesitate to pay $12 for an homage to McDonald's, even if it is vegetarian and worked out by Chang. You know, I could always just say fuck it and go to Shake Shack.

But I dont want to eat meat.
I dont care if you want to eat it, youre joice.

>The bleeding just refers to the fact it's juicy like you would expect from a standard burger
It's more than that. It contains a vegetable based version of a hemoglobin, so the inside of the patty is pink.

Concentrated Animal Feeding Operation, i.e. a factory farm.

What is it made out of? It might be worth it if it's cheaper to produce than meat.

Water, Textured Wheat Protein, Coconut Oil, Potato Protein, Natural Flavors, 2% or less of: Leghemoglobin (heme protein), Yeast Extract, Salt, Soy Protein Isolate, Konjac Gum, Xanthan Gum, Thiamin (Vitamin B1), Zinc, Niacin, Vitamin B6, Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), Vitamin B12.

That's from the Impossible website. Currently it's not produced on enough of a scale to make it cheap, but the plan is to do that.

That's interesting. I've always been into meat substitutes for situations where meat is either impossible to get or prohibitively expensive. Future food, baby, spaceship chow.

I currently do not buy ground beef because I do not want to support the kind of farming practices that produce nearly all of it. And I don't believe meat raised that way is particularly healthy to eat.

If this stuff became available at anything less than crazy prices I would certainly but it.