Is it worth it, or is it a waste of time and money? Tell me the truth. Lay it on me. Help me potentially not make a terrible life choice. Pretend I'm you before you went to university and you went back in time to tell him what he should do. Do you guys hate your lives for going? Do you wish you were just traveling the country/world working some normal shitty job to save up money? Do you wish you majored in something totally unrelated to STEM like Russian Language or whatever? Are you miserable with your choice to major in engineering, math, or physics? Do you like it? Is it the best choice you ever made? Do you feel like you have a purpose in life by going to university for one of these science/math degrees?
Guys who graduated with these degrees and then got jobs: are you satisfied? Do you hate your work? Do you wish you did something easier that paid less? Do you guys regret going to university entirely?
I'm posting this on Veeky Forums because this is where the guys in these majors will be, not on fucking /adv/ getting relationship advice where nobody will know an answer to this question. I KNOW that there are loads of 18-21 year old guys on this board like me who are on the verge of going to university for these subjects and aren't sure or feel like it's rubbing them the wrong way. There are guys here who have their opinion on the subject and we want to hear them.
You will never become rich in these fields, but you can usually get a pretty comfy, well paying job without much difficulty. Engineering is going to be the easiest way to find a job, but if you do any networking whatsoever, finding a job won't be a problem in any hard science.
Brody Lopez
The thing is doing the shiet you love. Money, fame, sleep time... are secondary. I study physics and I love it. Also, think of the awesome people you'll meet going to university to study STEM. Just do iiit.
Jason Allen
Do I have to be a guy to answer this question? Whatever. I'm studying Physics, first year, at Oxford. I had a pretty rocky spring term due to barely attending lectures and doing too many drugs but it's all coming together. It's certainly doable. I wouldn't say it's a waste of time/ money - I probably wouldn't be motivated enough to study on my own, and at the end of it you get a certificate to prove you know a bit about your subject. I want to go into research so a degree is the obvious thing for me to do. But I don't want to go into pure physics. I was absolutely miserable for a while, thinking I should have done Physics & Philosophy or English, constantly questioning whether anything in the degree was really 'fundamental' but nowadays I'm very pleased with Physics because I have a goal and motivation. I don't know if the course made me depressed, or the workload, or relationships, but it was probably a factor. I think if you find the right reasons (right for you) to do your course, you'll be fine or thereabouts. You might not know what you want to do, but just go with what you think at the moment - you'll find out if it's the right choice in due course, and probably before it's too late to change.
Ethan Ortiz
LONDON O N D O N
Adam Collins
>Do I have to be a guy to answer this question? >Whatever.
>im a girl btw
fuck off attention whore holy shit even on Veeky Forums
Henry Myers
>Do I have to be a guy to answer this question?
Leo Gonzalez
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Robert Stewart
There are always alternative routes into engineering/scientific careers. If you truly don't see yourself as capable with maths and physics then I would not recommend forcing yourself into a STEM degree. You shouldn't force yourself to do something just because you think its better than studying english at college.
People who go into engineering/STEM degrees actually like doing science and are naturally okay with maths. They don't necessary get rich from doing STEM, but they are very happy with the work.
>Do you wish you were just traveling the country/world working some normal shitty job to save up money?
Thats not sustainable, and you will still have plenty of time for leisure despite having a job. To think that you will be miserable working for the rest of your life is naive. Surely you know older people who are happy with themselves?
You can get an apprenticeship or an internship at a STEM/engineering company, you won't learn essential skills that people at university pay thousands to learn, but you'll get work experience doing something that is better than being a cuck in a coffee store.
Asher Flores
I'm a physics undergrad and I'll be honest with you. Right now, this is the most stress I've ever endured, and as a result, I'm depressed. I'm close to graduation (about a year out), and it's only getting harder. Before university, I attended a community college and performed exceptionally. I was excited and ecstatic when it came to studying what I loved. I got a job tutoring physics and mathematics, met a girl, y'know... all that good shit. Then when I transferred to a university the boat got fucking rocked hard. My ego plummeted when I truly realized how little I actually knew. Initially, I took this as my chance to truly become great and learn even more, but it didn't turn out. A great fear of failure began to manifest itself into self-destructive behavior, and my performance began to deteriorate. Since I'm so invested thus far, I've no choice but to continue onward. If I were to give you any advice, it's that pursuing any of those three you've listed is not easy. It is not trivial. It will test you to your very core. It is not meant for the weak willed. You can only succeed through raw determination and rigorous study.
Luke Lee
I've literally got my last ever undergraduate exam tomorrow. Going to my postgrad in an area of physics which is a growing industry in my country and includes a work placement to get my feet wet. I'm kinda regretting not going into research with how much I enjoyed my honours project but I'm excited to be able to potentially work a job thats the balance of research in physics and industry. My advice would be only go for the degree if you know you could commit to research or theres a very viable market for you to specialize in.
Leo Martin
> Do you wish you were just traveling the country/world working some normal shitty job to save up money?
this what my dream is about.
fuck you!
Benjamin Ramirez
>not going into finance afterwards
Grayson Baker
since when has travelling the country/world been seen as average?
Jeremiah Gonzalez
If I didn't do math, I wouldn't know what to do with my life.
You see why a question like this doesn't even occur to me.
Sebastian Campbell
For me the initial issue was sticking with physics where I'd have no guarenteed long term stability but at least I'd find it interesting or going into something like finance where there's money and more jobs but I wouldn't find interesting. What I'm doing has the balance.
Jaxson Lee
how can you not find something interesting if it takes math, analytical skills and understanding wordproblems and not like it? you do know finance is a choice only because the skills in physics and primarily applied math is applicable to it, right?
I had the same experience, coming from community college waving my perfect gpa around like "look how smart I am!" 1st semester at university rocked my world, I came away from that with 3 C's. Now I'm stabilizing some.. a mix of A's and B's, just starting my 300 level courses.
I just hope I can keep the trend going. It's fuckin hard, man. That self destructive behavior though, that's something you're going to have to have a reckoning with.
Henry Davis
One lucky man.
Goes to study Engineering.
And will pass all his subjects.
While I failed many subjects 3 or 4 even 5 times. Cause my RMIT University staff most were illuminatis whose their job was forcing me to fail. Cause I didn't wanna join their cult.
Life is awesome.
Ian Hughes
WOW!
thanks my friend :D I actually had plans with some real estate and entrepreneurship because they are proven to be good ways of making money as you said.
Adrian Allen
I have more links. Reply to this if you want more real estate info
Noice, I will take a deeper look at it tomorrow. goodnight.
Liam Diaz
I'm still a student so I'm probably not who you're looking for, but I don't regret going to school for engineering at all. That being said, I went into engineering because I was following my passion, and if my passion lay elsewhere I'd probably be doing something else. But as it turns out my passion makes a lot of money. Plus I'm white. Life is awesome.
Xavier Rogers
Oh, its that girl living my dream. Please upload more videos of you playing the violin on your youtube channel, the last one was nice.
Benjamin Robinson
in the same boat. One year left and i've never endured this much stress since these past two months. My main source of stress relief was lifting and I dislocated my shoulder so being injured only made matters worse. Getting to know my professors better and understanding their experiences in undergrad have helped me though. Realizing just about 95% of the faculty and graduate students have shared my experiences is enough for me to understand I'll get through it, it'll just be a fucking bitch and I'll have to lower my standards for grad school.
In the end it's still worth it to me. I'm taking hits on my GPA because of performance and even re-taking classes, but I'm getting research in and each month I have a better understanding of the physics being studied even though I feel more and more oblivious as I go on.
you'll be fine though mate, especially since you know what you have to do to carry on
Christian Clark
I graduated with maths/physics double major 2 years ago with good marks.
I still have no job. There is nothing without a PhD except for maybe finance, at least in Australia.
You'll be studying for a couple of years and working for decades. Worry more about what job you'll get than what you enjoy studying. If you can;t think of anything else you want to to do and you're willing to put in a few more years to get a more professionally useful masters then it might be ok though -- you'll probably be disadvantaged against people who specialised from the beginning, however.
Cameron Ward
are you at least doing grad school now?
Nolan Lopez
yeah doing computer science now
James Lopez
oh man. computational physics maybe?
Levi Lopez
I wanna know if this is a good field to get into. Particularly scientific computing/computational science.
Is it saturated? In my school I don't think so at least since all the numerical modeling classes have very low enrollments.
William Rodriguez
I focused on that actually; there seem to be very few jobs in it. I only ever find very senior positions where people are also expected to be experienced programmers with knowledge of parallel algorithms and distributed computing. e.g. working with meteorological forecasting models/systems
William Jenkins
i think it is. A lot of experimental/research-based sub-fields of physics (which are practically all fields) encourage both theorists and experimentalists to be fluent in programming so they can better produce representations of their data or even theoretical projections. I'd say right now there's a high demand for physicists with programming knowledge and soon universities are going to make programming a more integral part of their undergrad curriculums.
Henry Anderson
I'm a computer engineering major technically, so think I'll be able to gain experience in those areas (parallel programming, algorithms) quite easily. Probably also helps that I'm next to the NCSA.
I think so too, since it's so versatile and you can work in just about any field, in academia or industry (like finance, etc). I'm just reserved since nobody is talking about it, but the lack of hype could also mean it's a potential golden goose.
Joseph Lewis
>I have more links that I could just post but I wan to see how popular i am so reply to this post if you want them
You're a faggot.
Eli Johnson
I'm a pure math major starting my PhD program in the Fall. I would say my worst decision was barely researching colleges during my senior year of high school. As a result, I went to a shitty college, and it took me forever to transfer out(I'm in the USA). So I ended up hating all of my classes, but I ended up majoring in math because it's what I did the best in. If I were to do it again, I probably would double major in math and computer science. My first computer science class was terrible, and it put me off for years until someone told me to learn Python. Nowadays I learn algorithms and machine learning by myself, and I wish I had learned it years ago. In terms of my future, if I had done computer science, I might be able to get a job, though I'm going to grad school. I might drop out of grad school, but I'll see what happens.
Adam Morris
In this economy you should only do STEM if you can graduate debt free AND you find the undergrad coursework easy.
Even in a best case scenario you will deeply regret your decision if you lie to yourself about the latter.
Brody Anderson
You're overreacting.
It IS kind of relevant whether you are a boy/girl because a girl has a fallback option of getting married to a rich guy while a man is utterly fucked if he can't find employment.
That's why it's safer for girls to study math and physics and go grad-school while boys are always told to do engineering for undergrad to have a fallback (though that mantra has changed since the eng job market is just as shitty nowadays) and then they often have to pick between grad school and family.
Cooper James
>I might drop out of grad school yeah, you're definitely going to drop out
Oliver Barnes
CC fucking destroys young minds with mediocrity. If you HAVE to do CC for financial reasons or whatever always look at the curricula of real universities so you can see how hard your peers are working and try to self-study to keep up with them intellectually.
Andrew Peterson
I just graduated May 7th with an electrical engineering degree. It took me 5 years and 150 credit hours to get finished between 2 colleges. I wish I would of started out and finished all in the same one.
Robert Thomas
Anybody fallen to the abyss of terrible grades and lack of motivation, only to have a revelation (whatever that might be, including drugs) and dig your way out and finally succeed in your university career?
I'm in a rut, currently straight C student in all my maths. GPA at 2.5, I don't know how you guys get 4.0s. I am obviously doing something terribly wrong.
Ryder Roberts
Question for the 4.0 students, Are all of you on some type of drug like Adderall, Ritalin, etc?
Jordan Thomas
When SR project comes around the last year it is easy to see who is worthy of their GPA. When students have to actually build and perform, you will see GPA means nothing. My mere 3.3 was lower than most in my class, but it was funny how most 4.0's can't do anything by themselves when it comes down to it. I'd say GPA is important for job requirements/scholarships and such. But GPA does not make the engineer
Nolan Martin
Not them.
You could try to read the repport of the program it should go in deep detail for why it is relevant and why it isn't according to your government. Government have to lay a report over different programs to see if they can be accepted.
OBS: I don't live in USA or Great Britain
Dylan Lewis
I wanna study critical theory/philosophy, but I'm doing Masters in EE for the money. Might go back to academia in about 10years or so.
Camden Campbell
Read the OP mate.. >guys guys guys guys guys guys him 18-21 year old guys like me
Jackson Ortiz
there was no reason to bring it up. people call groups of males and females just guys all of the fucking time. the cunt made it obvious she wuz a girl btw
shut the fuck up you whiteknight faggot she's not going to suck your dick.
Jason Garcia
Go back to r9k thanks.
Lucas Martinez
pic is related
Charles Ortiz
I don't know if you're supporting him or if you don't realize how ironic your post is.
Hudson Moore
I'm studying Applied Mathematics.
I love it. I never thought I'd enjoy it so much, considering I only picked the degree because it was ranked one of the highest paying majors and I didn't really like math in high school.
This summer I prepared myself for the worst couple of years of my life. Fast forward a couple of months and I've been getting nothing but straight A's, and every Sunday I can't wait for Monday to roll around so I can learn new things.
if you're good at math, I'd absolutely go the Applied Math/Physics road. This way you get to learn a lot, AND the "applied" part is attractive to future employers.
Good luck with your choice Opie.
Logan Watson
Isn't it so much easier to learn when you enjoy the material? Regardless if i was engineering or math or whatever, wanting to learn makes the motivation part all natural. And the creativity that comes with it will let you know your in the right field.
Sebastian Gutierrez
How the fuck did you fail a subject 5 times? At my uni it's 3 times and you're out.