Erik Demaine

Let's pretend we never watched porn and all that time and knowledge was spent elsewhere. That is just one example. We have a certain 'intelligence' or knowledge base when it comes to porn because we watch so much.

i.e. we want to find something (porn) to satisfy a specific need, we know all the details and methods to finding it. Imagine if that were spent elsewhere productively :)

I don't watch pornography. Speak for yourself.

>why do we even try
Because the man can only take up one job, and it's probably in academia.

>2016
>Women are at peak corruption
>10 year olds sucking dick for candy
>He still needs to watch porn.

Whoops.

>My excuse is that I'm 17 years younger than him.
So you're 18? Kid if your CV is longer than 1 page before you have a bachelor's, you're doing it wrong. No one will care enough to read that.

Any 13 yr old can work through Serge Lang's 'Basic Mathematics' in a few weeks if they are motivated, and do it everyday after class instead of playing some console gayme all night or watching TV.

After that they can work through Spivak's calculus or some other rigorous text and by using math exchange to get peer help with answers have an undergraduate level in analysis before they're 14yrs old.

They can then pick up the book Advanced Calculus and do the same thing, finish it in a few months and then have a full undergrad degree in analysis, linear algebra, and classical mechanics before they're even in Grade 10 which at that point they are declared "geniuses" and encouraged to join a university as a "prodigy" when in reality all they did was work hard themselves instead of sitting around console gayming their early teen years away

It helps if they have parents who aren't retards that make them do all kinds of bullshit work after school that isn't academic, support their advanced studies and actually know something about the material to help them with it.

Porn takes up maybe 10 minutes out of my day, max.

>why do we even try
cuz i just want a job doing my scishit that i love

I don't care what he did, he's just so fucking ugly.

>So you're 18? Kid if your CV is longer than 1 page before you have a bachelor's, you're doing it wrong. No one will care enough to read that.

That is why it is exactly one page long.

It was longer before but I shortened it.

This. But now say the parents are math professors and instead of consulting math stack exchange they consult to mommy and daddy. This accelerates the process you just described even more. Now when they are in HS they already know everything a BS in math knows.

Given mommy and daddy are professors they have enough income to send their kid to a "prestigious" math & science school to continue their education and everyone now considers their kid a """"genius""" when they aren't.

this
he will never know the feel of not caring about anything in life and just fucking bitches without working or studying because youre hot af

>Sexual partners: 0

That's how academic CVs work. You list papers published, talks given, awards received, blahblah.

The story between Erik and his father is the real interest here. His father basically cloned himself so that he could have a research partner.

There's a book out called Anti Education which is a series of lectures given by Friedrich Nietzsche when he was a 24yr old professor on the state of education and how it's set up to serve conformity, turn a profit, and suppress criticism, thus preventing 'genius' from ever cultivating. 144 years later and nothing has changed.

Interesting, thanks.

>muh privilege
typical brainlet, off your'self please

found the high-school dropout

He isn't though, this hair style is fucking ugly.

And what does this mean for the child's mental health? I love math, but some of my best childhood memories were warm summer nights spent playing Halo at my friends' houses all night. smoking weed in the park with my teenage friends, etc. What memories will Erik have to look back on? I don't regret sacrificing some success by taking the normie path.

>most people
>can barely graduate high school
>dont even learn anything
you cant skip school years to go to uni even if you wanted to in europe

This. There will ALWAYS be someone better than you, and even if you beat everyone else alive von Neumann will still be better than you.

Focus on your own talents and self-improvement. There's plenty of room in the sun for us plebs too.

>I don't regret sacrificing some success by taking the normie path.

this tbqh. I don't give a shit about not being able to contribute in a scientific field if it means sacrificing everything I find fun. Chances are, we were born too early for immortality anyway, so might as well enjoy the time you have here while indulging both your ego and curiosity by contributing as much as you can in whatever STEM field you're interested in.

It's convention to put all your publications on your CV, even if it's some shitty journal letter etc. People rarely actually read it it's more like an appendix to your main CV.

>43 page CV

This isn't a good thing. If anything that's an incredibly retarded thing to have.

It is a good thing, stop pretending you know anything about academia. (PROTIP: Academics have two different versions of their CV)

An average person is to me what that guy is to you. But I guess that shows that there is always someone better than you to be envious of.

>stop pretending you know anything about academia

Like you know any more.

This is some truly dunning kruger tier reasoning. He's succesful at one thing so you must assume he's lacking in something else that you have.

How the fuck do you know he didn't spend his summers smoking weed and fucking hot hipster girls? Maybe he just cherishes his memories of solving problems than you do smoking weed/playing vidya.

What's your background fag? (If you can tell us without deanonymizing yourself)

you need to pad it to get part time work, or else they think you're lazy

I am 25 and still struggle through my STEM bachelor degree. I just have a very hard time studying and my brain is slow. Others my age have a masters by now and a good job. Most students in my class are several years younger than me while also doing better. I look around and see those driven, intelligent but also sociable people and too wonder: why bother? These are also the average students and not just some geniuses like that guy in the OP. But then again. What else should I do?

I think you should just focus on learning instead of achievements. Of course this is not easy when you get directly compared in the work world.

Yes well the NEETs and the 25 year olds working full time sevice jobs look on you with envy too. You sound a bit depressed, you should be more sociable and confident, a lot of things can make you competative which aren't just tied to grades. There are plenty of people who take a while to finish a bachelors.

The job market is utter shit for everyone right now though so it doesn't matter anyway.

He's right though, and you're talking out of your ass. I can sum up Veeky Forums with
>hurr thing I don't understand is retarded

>I'm right because I say I'm right

Fucking lol.

They say oh, Demaine that loud mouth - and they say that a lot. I say oh, no you just don't know Demaine.

It's dunning kruger to not realize that his accomplishments require an extreme time investment. He clearly didn't just spent 2 hours doing homework after coming from school like the rest of us.

deleted his post most likely because he's a little bitch, here's what he said:

I am 25 and still struggle through my STEM bachelor degree. I just have a very hard time studying and my brain is slow. Others my age have a masters by now and a good job. Most students in my class are several years younger than me while also doing better. I look around and see those driven, intelligent but also sociable people and too wonder: why bother? These are also the average students and not just some geniuses like that guy in the OP. But then again. What else should I do?

I think you should just focus on learning instead of achievements. Of course this is not easy when you get directly compared in the work world.

hey I love this guy. Currently watching his lectures on folding algorithms. Origami is probably the main reason I study math and science these days desu

found the brainlet
your brain is probably smaller than both ur dick and testacles combined

That sounds interesting.

What are the applications of folding algorithms? Anything outside the usual simulation stuff?

might be useful for this shit
youtube.com/watch?v=ZVYz7g-qLjs

Are you incapable of going to any academic's webpage and taking a peek at their CV?

Keep playing vidya and smoking weed while the big guys do science

>Genius talking about futuristic shit
>POSTDOC

>Median postdoc salary is 44k
>He earns as much as a kindergarten teacher, plumbers, and graphic designers

THIS IS THE SAD STATE OF ACADEMIA. DO NOT FALL FOR THE MEME. SOMEONE AS SMART AS THAT GUY COULD BE EARNING 120K A YEAR IN INDUSTRY BUT FELL FOR THE MEME.

Sources:
advice.careerbuilder.com/posts/10-jobs-that-pay-40000
payscale.com/research/US/Job=Postdoctoral_Research_Associate/Salary

lol wat, tell that to john von neumann, and really any legitimately intelligent person (IQ 160+) who does not have a mental disorder or disease (autist/assburger).

intelligence is not relative, and if you say it is, then literally everything else is relative to and we have nothing to base our standards on.

stop perpetuating these retarded ideas that geniuses arent happy or are depressed or wish they were just an average joe like you or me like its some kind of universal trait that always accompanies genius.

you dont have proportionate strengths and weaknesses, we arent in some RPG with a max stat cap. there will always be people who are absolutely better than you in every way and there is nothing you can say or do about it besides performing these kinds of mental gymnastics to save yourself from the truth: you aren't special.

just had to be said

i'm tired of seeing these sad cant-face-reality teens saying everyone is a special snowflake and anyone who is smarter than you must have a terrible life of depression and regret just like how anyone who is stronger than you takes steroids.

life isnt that simple or fair. get used to it now.

SHUT IT DOWN

KILL IT WITH FIRE

>don't study! you can make money! look! money!

you're fucking pathetic

>The academic equivalent of a blog is a CV

I'm going to give you the same advice my supervisor gave me

>"When applying for an academic job, include your 5 most recent and 5 most prestigious publications, no one is going to look at much more than that"

I mean really, do you think anyone is going to read through 43 motherfucking pages?

Because there are people who take the usual path through school and make huge discoveries. We just hear about the prodigies because everyone wants to be one. That's why everyone wants their kid to either be gifted or have a learning disability nowadays: nobody wants their child to just be normal. What people need to understand is that society and science needs people who take the routine path, because they bring the experience of not always being the best or being correct. Self doubt is necessary, in my opinion, for science to succeed. If too many people just give up when they find out they aren't the best, then science loses people who make discoveries. You don't have to be the best in your field to win the Nobel Prize. Nobody under 25 has won a Nobel in Physics, and the 25 year old who did won it with his father. He wasn't top of his class, and he wasn't at the best Ivy league school (it was also the early 1900s). Veeky Forums needs to understand that normal people can still make huge scientific achievements. For every twenty year old MIT professor, there are ten sixty year old ones who do equally incredible things. You just hear about the young guy because you wish you could be him. The cold, hard truth is, you can't. But you can accomplish more than him, if you actually try. Anyone who says otherwise has already given up.

>>don't study! you can make money! look! money!

What are you talking about?

Study what you want, even pure math if you want, but then go to industry and get as far away from academia as you can.

You can see it in his eyes. He knows he is at the front of a big futuristic endeavor and yet every single time his paycheck arrives he sees 40k, which is the same as his ex-gf, who cucked him with an engineer, earns while only teaching 3 year olds.

Do your masters, do your PhD, I don't care. Just do not cripple yourself by staying in academia.

This is not about education or studying. This is about what you do after you have studied, you cuck.

I agree with this advice.

I currently work in industry but feel like my brain cells are dying everyday. I plan to collect a paycheck a few more years then re-enter academia, do research, get a PhD and then go back to industry.

No you don't.

Nietzsche is a fucking quack. He has a few good ideas and his reasoning was decent but he makes a lot of superfluous and excessive connections.

He's like Freud but less disgusting.

ITT: underachievers getting jealous of someone who was smart by calling him "overly motivated"

I'd consider it very, very unlikely.

:(

>intelligence is not relative, and if you say it is, then literally everything else is relative to and we have nothing to base our standards on.
This is correct.

Do you think you're smarter than him for this highly insightful view?

Maybe he decided that keeping an active mind is better than being a braindead engineer with a bigger car.

still a valid argument. we are literally spending the biggest part of our life in procastination.
i bet those kind of guys aren't spending all day browsing dank memes, this is the biggest difference between an average guy and someone like erik.

>This is not about education or studying. This is about what you do after you have studied, you cuck.
Suggesting that all studying should stop after grad school in favor of money makes this absolutely about education or studying.

>Implying there is no research in industry

There is, even for pure mathematics.

He obviously knows about AI, material science, physics and electronics to a PhD level, that is literally 300k starting, any job you want.

You know that teaching is still a normal job? You could get a good job as a PhD and then if you want to be involved you can still publish.

Einstein published all of his famous meme papers about curved space time and e=mc2 while also working as patent clerk. But obviously, being a full time scientist paid much more back in the day so he took his chance and ran with it once he became notable.

40 fucking k. That is bullshit when you are at the PhD level of any STEM field, and even more if you are multidisciplinary. I cannot understand how people can live with so much pain.

there's very few research in industry...and often you don't get to publish your results

>there's very few research in industry...and often you don't get to publish your results

Who cares.

And as I said, if you care about publishing it under your name then do as Einstein did and do solo research completely separate from the institution you work at.

More excuses to get majorly cucked

>And as I said, if you care about publishing it under your name then do as Einstein did and do solo research completely separate from the institution you work at.

And how are independent physics researchers doing nowdays?

>Who cares.
People who want to do research. You can't work 40+ hour weeks and expect to contribute meaningfully to some field of science.

Also, $40k is a perfectly liveable salary. What are you doing with your $100k salary? Not to mention that after a postdoc or two (less than five years of time) nobody makes that little money.

If we didn't have academia to push the boundaries of knowledge, industry wouldn't do shit. There isn't much short term incentive for business to do that, and the business guys don't think long term. Or much at all.

>if you care about publishing it under your name then do as Einstein did and do solo research completely separate from the institution you work at.
But that's not even true. He worked at a patent office while he was a grad student and then worked at schools and research institutes.

thank you user

Yes. There are examples of kids who do advanced work early and are therefore ahead of their peers, and then there are examples of kids whose brains work better than others'. This is an example of the latter.

you could have raised john von neumann in a gutter for the first 20 years of his life, and he still would have rekt the entire math and scientific community with raw potential.

he is literally a super saiyan walking amongst men, he is goku

there's nothing you can do to change the fact that people like neumann have infinitely higher latent ability than even classic examples of genius (einstein etc)

JvN is a good example because he drifted around a lot between fields, but then quickly dominated them and effortlessly supplanted every "giant" in his way, regardless of who they were or how smart they seemed

i swear this JIDF troll comes up in every thread

Why do these drones come up in every thread?

>“I have known a great many intelligent people in my life. I knew Max Planck (Nobel Prize 1918), von Laue (Nobel Prize 1914) and Heisenberg (Nobel Prize 1932). Paul Dirac (Nobel Prize 1933) was my brother in law; Leo Szilard and Edward Teller have been among my closest friends; and Albert Einstein was a good friend, too. But none of them had a mind as quick and acute as John von Neumann. I have often remarked this in the presence of those men and no one ever disputed me.
… But Einstein’s understanding was deeper even than von Neumann’s. His mind was both more penetrating and more original than von Neumann’s. And that is a very remarkable statement. Einstein took an extraordinary pleasure in invention. Two of his greatest inventions are the Special and General Theories of Relativity; and for all of von Neumann’s brilliance, he never produced anything as original. –Eugene Wigner

>Nietzsche is a fucking quack. He has a few good ideas and his reasoning was decent but he makes a lot of superfluous and excessive connections.

You should read more before coming to shit opinions on the first philosopher you read. Don't bother giving a list of what you've read in response, just read more before you cast your opinions about

This is great, thanks for posting it.

I'm much more well read in literature than science despite studying mathematics but this also applies to literature. A good few critics I have followed through the years have repeatedly said that their memory is not a representation of any sort of cognitive power, citing someone like Montaigne (who repeatedly mentions his memory as a great fault) .

>retards quoting idiots talking about smart people
gee

wow.

No, you are again dunning kruger yourself.

It takes an extreme time investment FOR YOU.

Postdocs at MIT earn way more than the average.

QFT

>The smarter you are in one subject the less intelligence you lack in another.
>the less intelligence you lack in another.
Can't tell if bait....

outside of his own life, none of those things are accomplishments
frankly i think 1/5 people could do what he did if they had mathematician parents and were motivated; good for him but none of this stuff is really meaningful

yet, at the age of just 25 I fucked more than 300 girls :^)

>Studying physics for 12 years also qualifies me to be a surgeon, artist, and grandmaster chess player because genius is transitive.

Is one supposed to be impressed? These are just some of the things an MIT professor can get for his kid without latter moving his finger to scratch his own ass. He'd be much, much more if he wasn't just a placeholder for a position of the Academic Son to Be Proud of.

Thanks man, I'd never seen it that way

>you could have raised john von neumann in a gutter for the first 20 years of his life

I really disagree. von Neumann was raised as to be a child prodigy from a very young age. His parents were extremely wealthy and gave him tutors all his life.

von Neumann was very much a product of his upbringing. although certainly his mental ability was astonishing, it would have meant nothing without the special treatment he received as a child.

This.

Also,
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/László_Polgár