EM Drive

Hurr durr, does this thing work?

Read, read, read, think, read...
Hmm...

God dammit! We've known about phenomena like this since the 20s!

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrogravitics

>Electrogravitics is claimed to be an unconventional type of effect or anti-gravity propulsion created by an electric field's effect on a mass. The name was coined in the 1920s by the discoverer of the effect, Thomas Townsend Brown, who spent most of his life trying to develop it and sell it as a propulsion system. Through Brown's promotion of the idea it was researched for a short while by aerospace companies in the 1950s.

>He discovered an unusual effect while experimenting with a Coolidge tube, a type of X-ray vacuum tube where, if he placed on a balance scale with the tube’s positive electrode facing up, the tube's mass seemed to decrease, when facing down the tube's mass seemed to increase.[2] Brown showed this effect to his college professors and even newspaper reporters and told them he was convinced that he had managed to influence gravity electronically. Brown developed this into large high voltage capacitors that would produce a tiny propulsive force causing the capacitor to jump in one direction when the power was turned on.

So yes, you can move objects with electricity and EM waves in a propellantless fashion. We've known about these effects for 100 years.

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en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-ray_tube#Coolidge_tube
youtube.com/watch?v=5QhqEoRvpEA
physics.wikia.com/wiki/Electrogravity
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphene#History
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphene_oxide_paper
nature.com/nphoton/journal/v9/n7/full/nphoton.2015.105.html
twitter.com/NSFWRedditVideo

>After World War II Brown sought to develop the effect as a means of propulsion for aircraft and spacecraft, demonstrating a working apparatus to an audience of scientists and military officials in 1952. Research in the phenomenon was popular in the mid-1950s, at one point the Glenn L. Martin Company placed advertisements looking for scientists who were "interested in gravity", but rapidly declined in popularity thereafter.

>There are claims that all major aerospace companies in the 1950s including Martin, Convair, Lear, Sperry, Raytheon were working on it, that the technology became highly classified in the early 1960s.

So, all the major aerospace companies were working on it in the 50s and then it got pushed underground into black projects?

Christ! Here we are in 2016 wondering if technologies like the EM drive can work, and they've been researching this shit heavily for 50 years. Mother fucker! What else haven't I been told about science and tech.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-ray_tube#Coolidge_tube

>and then it got pushed underground into black projects
Yeah, that's the only possible explanation.

>Instead of being an anti-gravity force, this effect has been found to be caused by ionized particles exerting a force between two asymmetrical electrodes that produces a type of ion drift or ionic wind that transfers its momentum to surrounding neutral particles, an electrokinetic phenomena or more widely referred to as electrohydrodynamics (EHD).
If you're going to quote wikipedia, you might as well do it properly.

I am not good in physics, does this particular sentence means that EM wont ever work in vacuum? Or does "surrounding neutral particles" is a particles inside drive?

Essentially, it can exert energy on other particles inside the drive, but the net external force will still be zero.

it says nothing about em in general, it does say that this \/ kind of shit wont work in a vacuum.

youtube.com/watch?v=5QhqEoRvpEA

Make sure you don't include the question mark when quoting what I said. Oh good, you didn't.

>The Biefeld–Brown effect, discovered by Thomas Townsend Brown (USA) and Dr. Paul Alfred Biefeld (CH), was researched mainly during the 1950s and 1960's on the use of this electric propulsion effect during the publicized era of gravity control propulsion research, which included the United States gravity control propulsion initiative. Eventually, the Biefeld-Brown effect was verified by experiment, including experiments conducted in vacuum. But nevertheless some skeptics thought that the observed propulsive effects were not caused by electrogravity or new physics; rather it was alleged that ion-induced airflow around the device created the observed forces. During 1964, Major De Seversky had in fact published a lot of his related work in Template:US Patent, and with the aim to forestall any possible misunderstanding about these devices, had termed these flying machines as ionocrafts. These "ion wind" interpretations are, however, patently inconsistent with the observations of these effects even in a vacuum.

>These "ion wind" interpretations are, however, patently inconsistent with the observations of these effects even in a vacuum.

physics.wikia.com/wiki/Electrogravity

>EM drive
>Cold fusion
You don't need this practically free energy, goy.
It's impossible. Repeat after me, IMPOSSIBLE

Gravity Discs:
Thomas Townsend Brown has been flying strange metal saucer-like discs of his own secret design and make for more than 40 years. Some big ones too, up to 30 inches in diameter. Unfortunately, Dr. Brown passed away in 1987.
Mostly, Brown has flown his discs in good old common air. The discs are tethered to a mast or pole and the thin, double-saucer-like things fly a circle around and around the mast in free flight.
Only a slight hum is audible as they fly. In the dark they glow with an eerie lavender light, revealing their motive power which is a kind of electricity.
Many scientists and engineers have watched these discs fly. Under their breath, and sometimes out loud, most of them have said the force which makes Brown's discoids spin is one which every high- school physics student knows about - "Electric Wind" - and not a new principle Brown has discovered at all!
One engineer once said, "The whole thing is so screwball I don't want to even talk about it!" Another said, "The device is only about one-tenth of one percent efficient." Both these statements have since been proved incorrect! Most other engineers object to the lack of mathematical substantiation presented by Brown. To engineers and scientists one equation is worth a thousand words! But even an equation is of little use unless it has values assigned to at least some of its main parts. When these were not forthcoming, from a technical point of view, it appeared Brown was walking on straw legs.
Then recently Brown went to France. Under what was virtually a French Government sponsored program of research, Air-France successfully flew some of the Brown discs in a HIGH VACUUM!

>Under what was virtually a French Government sponsored program of research, Air-France successfully flew some of the Brown discs in a HIGH VACUUM!

I can haz inefficient petrol-steel-rubber flying machines for next century?

>Many claims as to the validity of electrogravitics as an anti-gravity force revolve around research and videos on the internet purported to show lifter-style capacitor devices working in a vacuum, therefore not receiving propulsion from ion drift or ion wind being generated in air.[3][10] Followups on the claims (R. L. Talley in a 1990 US Air Force study, NASA scientist Jonathan Campbell in a 2003 experiment,[11] and Martin Tajmar in a 2004 paper[12]) have found that no thrust could be observed in a vacuum, consistent with the phenomenon of ion wind. Campbell pointed out to a Wired magazine reporter that creating a true vacuum similar to space for the test requires tens of thousands of dollars in equipment.

They way how modern science can't accept criticism and the new ideas is the proof that it's not the science anymore, but Orthodox religion.
They have his holy bible and everything that is breaking their concepts is the heresy.

Anything that spits out electrons and photons will move because of conservation of momentum (this can be shown in a vacuum)

Mfw the last 50 years we have been jewed into using rockets while blackops has antigravity drive.

Yeah, it's gotten pretty bad. To even suggest a theory that isn't exactly in line with "modern science" makes people angry and defensive. It's a very interesting phenomena. Maybe when we get back to doing actual, unbiased science someone will write a book about the psychology of this era.

They way how modern science can't accept criticism and the new ideas is the proof that it's not the science anymore, but Orthodox religion.
They have his holy bible and everything that is breaking their concepts is the heresy.

I think there a 3 major drivers for this behavior (there's probably more):

1) People have accepted the dogmas of science for the last century and integrated it into their identities. To consider new science (psychic research, aether models, zero point energy, anti-gravity, etc) would force them to question their identities and that's a painful process.

2) The oligarchy/big money/corporatocracy/whatever you want to call it spends their money in such a way to suppress new science for financial reasons - funding or pulling funds from universities, publishing junk science, paid shills, etc. Zero point energy tech means you could pull energy from the aether wherever you are. That's a huge threat to the existing economy and some powerful people's pocketbooks.

3) The military-industrial complex pushes these technologies underground for their own gain and protection. While all 3 of these hold back science, this one actually has some merit. Say we go to war with Russia for example, it would be very beneficial to have antigravity craft that could out maneuver their jet engine planes - it could spell the difference between winning and losing a war.

So what can you do? If you aren't willing to consider "new science," at the very least stop being a douchebag to people who are trying to push the envelope and move the world forward.

Back to /pol/ and /x/ you scientifically illiterate morons.

>creation story from the Bible is a legitimate criticism of evolution

Lie

I think that the financial aspects you point to might be a lot weaker than you think. I think that it's mainly your first point. Scientists, and the general public, seem to not even know what "science" is anymore. I doubt that many scientists are knowledgeable about the philosophy of science, epistemology, or basic metaphysics. I was not at all surprised to see that one study about a majority of social scientists being unable to properly define what a p-value is despite being ostensible experts in statistical analysis. I think that physicists would fail in a similar fashion

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphene#History
>It was studied in detail by V. Kohlschütter and P. Haenni in 1918, who also described the properties of graphite oxide paper.[24] Its structure was determined from single-crystal diffraction in 1924.[25]

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphene_oxide_paper
>The material has exceptional stiffness and strength, due to the intrinsic strength of the two-dimensional graphene backbone[1] and to its interwoven layer structure which distributes loads.

>nature.com/nphoton/journal/v9/n7/full/nphoton.2015.105.html
>Macroscopic and direct light propulsion of bulk graphene material

Fission power was invented to supply electrons to the graphene, and to power the lasers to shoot the graphene. They've had this for almost 100 years, and they're still promoting nonsense like the EMdrive - which, even if it's real, produces a worthless amount of thrust.

The Apollo project was the public front of a private ICBM program - NASA handed out contracts to private companies. The military-industrial complex had it all first - private geniuses invented this with taxpayer dollars, and left us without a space shuttle or a new jetfighter.

They won't tell us what the new fighters use to make themselves so mobile. They legally can't - they sign contracts with the government that makes it all top secret.

The elite became supermen and colonized space in the 70's - that's why we no longer send people to the moon, why they let everyone forget how many times we went to the moon, and why they promote conspiracy theories which deny that we landed on the moon - they don't want people to believe it's possible, let alone easy and cheap to do.

I mean, if you had access to an infinite frontier, you have to at least slow down your competitors so you get a headstart. Even better if you can convince them that it's difficult, expensive and requires training. If you then make them obese, depressed, couch-bound and frivolous, they'll never catch up.

>novel effect potentially discovered
>studied furiously by highly regarded institutions
>mixed results, continued investigation

>should we cautiously embrace the opportunity to learn more about the universe?
>no its definitely wrong, lets just call people names

t. scientific establishment

some things never change

>con artists come out with a free energy advice
>get ignored except by low-quality internet people

Sounds like the scientific establishment is working as well as possible. Be sure to donate to the kickstarter!

what the fuck are you on about?

Looks like typical /x/ drivel.

>meme drive
gbt /x/ fucknut

>what the fuck are you on about?

Re-read my post? That's all I can tell you.

>Looks like typical /x/ drivel

Governments have secret weapons programs. Evenually, it all leaks, but you can keep a lid on technology for decades.

Why did the USA put nukes on spy planes? They certainly didn't do it for strategic reasons - they had B52's for that, and there were no flying saucers to shoot down.

These planes were built by private contractors - so were the nukes. We built tens of thousands of warheads, even though we knew we only needed a handful for all strategic purposes.

Is it that hard to believe that the elites who got the contracts pocketed a few? And put them on aircraft, powered via a proven propulsion technology? Which later leaked out to the public, thus producing an imperfect conspiracy?

Veeky Forums is a containment board for people whose /x/ drivel is related to science in some way.

still sounds like the source for your claims is your own ass.

Interesting. Thanks for sharing.