>November 2, 1957 the Levelland Police Department in Texas, USA gets a weird phonecall >Some guy says a large blue light flew up to his car and as it did the car died. >Guy is probably drunk, ignore. >But an hour later they get another call from another man who says a 200 foot long egg-shaped object appeared in front of his car and as that happened the engine died >Few minutes later yet another call, this time a married couple saying a bright object flew overhead and knocked out their radio and headlights >The calls just keep coming, at least 15 people phoning in with the exact same story: a 200 foot wide UFO lands in front of their car and as that happens the engine cuts out. >USAF Project Blue Book investigates if you can call it that. Discounts the first witness merely because he hadn't graduated high school, doesn't bother listening to the others just assumes it's ball lightning and goes home
Before you start screaming /x/ let's be adult and analyze the evidence
1) Multiple witnesses who had nothing to do with each other so hoax ruled out.
2) All sightings happened within the space of a few hours so media induced panic ruled out.
3) Thing was seen silently hovering on the ground so aircraft, meteors and Venus ruled out.
4) All witnesses reported that it disabled their car so illusion ruled out.
So in conclusion it could not be a hoax, illusion or aircraft. So it was either some sort of plasma ball or an alien space ship. The plasma ball i.e ball lightning is basically what Blue Book debunked it as. However there are many problems with this (cont)
>Hey Jim, you want to go camping next weekend? >Oh, it'll be great! We're going to freak out the media, bring your wife and friends.
Hunter Flores
1) Was very unscientific of them to even mention it for in 1957 ball lightning was as /x/ as aliens are. Most scientists didn't believe in it.
2) Ball lightning has been proved to exist today but every case in history has never been larger than a few inches. All the witnesses reported a UFO that blocked both lanes of the road.
3) No ball lightning report has ever involved an engine being knocked out. I don't see how it could even do that. Not even normal lightning can knock out your engine.
4) if it was a 200 foot ball lightning with enough EM energy to somehow stop your spark plugs firing where did the energy go? Once a 200 foot ball of lightning dissipated it would have been like a bomb. Nobody heard this
5) Ball lighting was assumed because someone said there was a storm earlier. it turned out to just be a bit overcast, no electrical storm of any sort. For this reason in the end even Blue Books own investigators J. Allen Hynek and James E McDonald said passing it off as ball lightning was a mistake, they should have investigated it deeper
Evan Edwards
Everyone got interviewed, they didn't know each other. Furthermore when the Levelland PD went out to investigate they did see a light in the sky themselves and the Fire chief the UFO then engine out thing happened to him too. So I repeat, hoax ruled out. Try harder.
Ayden Wilson
Veeky Forums BTFO
Jacob Allen
I can see the poster count, thanks for putting some effort into typing that all out.
Easton Cruz
>Try and debunk this
Debunk what exactly? You do realize that "UFO" stands for "unidentified flying object" right?
> doesn't bother listening to the others >at least 15 people phoning in with the exact same story Still nope. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levelland_UFO_Case#U.S._Air_Force_investigation > According to UFO historian Curtis Peebles, "the Air Force found only three persons who had witnessed the 'blue light'...there was no uniform description of the object."[4]
>1) Multiple witnesses who had nothing to do with each other so hoax ruled out. Again, nope. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levelland_UFO_Case > Levelland, which in 1957 had a population of about 10,000, There's no way over a dozen people in this town "didn't know each other".
Kevin Ramirez
>Analysis of your text suggests samefag. Rando here, when I samefag I change my typing style.
its not hard to pretend to be someone else unless youre too stupid to understand writing conventions in the first place in order to break them consistently
>protips4lief
Nathaniel Murphy
It's clearly Reptilians from Tau Ceti. Cannot be anything else.
Asher Moore
>as that happened the engine died >knocked out their radio and headlights >as that happens the engine cuts out
Clear some military jackass playing with a secret toy he shouldn't be.
Camden Jackson
Yeah key word is "found" i.e their investigation was sloppy. A lot more people had phoned in >There's no way over a dozen people in this town "didn't know each other". Making the assumption that the entire town including the police and fire department was in on a giant hoax is no better than my claim that it was reptilians. Neither of us have any actual proof of this. You are just dismissing the whole thing because you don't want to believe it is genuine. The USAF who were clearly desperate to debunk it even they never smelt any whiff of a hoax. We all know conspiracy theory laws something that has that many people involved cannot stay hidden. No link was found between any of them and the P.D and F.D saw it themselves even. Hoax is ruled out.
Michael Scott
Why waste your time with this shit? If advanced ayys had actually visited Earth wanted to avoid detection, you or any other peasant hungry for a bit of fame and popularity would never stand a chance of a "close encounter".
>1957 >EMP These things are science fiction even today.
It's really funny that all the debunks are themselves /x/ tier. So far we've had ball lightning, police department cover-up and now top secret military EMP that has somehow managed to stay secret and unused to this day.
Alexander Lewis
>Making the assumption that the entire town including the police and fire department was in on a giant hoax is no better than my claim that it was reptilians. There's a famous hoax where people actually faked a fucking genocide. And it didn't happen in some shithole country, it happened in Europe, a little more than seventy years ago. Some people still believe it to be true to this day.
Cameron Sullivan
The top debunker Philip J. Klass famously foretold that no one will ever know what UFOs are but even so by learning about the phenomenon I have opened my mind to the possibility of alien visitation. Before I though the whole idea was ridiculous and thoroughly impossible. But some UFO cases made me think "it really could have been aliens"
Parker Morales
You're not helping.
Lucas Lewis
it's just a prank bro
can you even imagine how bored you'd be in the pre-internet era >hey buds let's all call the cops and tell em we saw a ufo LOL!!
Levi Jones
This is legit shit man, look it up. I think it was called the holoyolo or something, shoahcaust maybe?
Nathan Smith
I already told you the cops saw it themselves and the witnesses didn't know each other. Read the thread. Why is Veeky Forums still claiming it's a hoax when I proved that it cannot be a hoax? You haven't even given any evidence to back up your hoax claim it's just a blind dismissal. if you're going to claim hoax at least prove it is.
Julian Stewart
It's the same shit all the time (in the US specifically). Everything after Roswell has to be aliens. Everyone wants to feel special. Reports of paranormal/mysterious phenomena increase exponentially after the first incidents.
Happened with UFOs, with cattle mutilations, satanic cults and so on... A result of the distrust towards the US government, along with paranoia and mass hysteria.
Alexander Kelly
then it was a town-wide conspiracy to attract tourists and ufo enthusiasts
Eli Young
Because, as another user mentioned, confirmation bias is quite widespread in small irrelevant rural areas. And it is more than likely that the majority of people knew each other to spread the story and "confirm" that it happened.
Even if we assume there was something there, why do you think ayys are a plausible explanation? Between unidentified meteorological phenomena and aliens hovering above US villages, which one is the most plausible in your honest opinion?
This is the Trementon Movie. Totally unrelated to the Levelland case it was shot in Trementon, Utah in 1952 so no photoshop or anything. Best UFO footage I've seen so far. Due to the sheer number of the objects the only plausible explanation is birds. But the USAF analyzed the film and found no evidence of flapping and that they were too far away therefore the objects were moving too fast. The Navy analyzed the film and agreed. The Robertson Panel went ahead and dismissed it as birds anyway because they were paid to debunk. >"The films were then forwarded at the request of the Navy to a group of Navy photo analysts at Anacostia, who had some ideas about how to study the films. The Navy group concluded that the UFOs were intelligently controlled vehicles and that they weren't airplanes or birds. They arrived at this conclusion by making a frame-by-frame study of the motion of the lights and the changes in the lights' intensity. The analysts stopped short of identifying the objects as interplanetary space craft (2) although this implication was evidently present." So basically the US Navy itself was basically implying that it could not be anything else but alien spacecraft.
Here's the weirdest part. Shit I got goosebumps typing this. There was another similar UFO movie shot in 1950. The man gave it to the USAF and when the film was returned he claimed that they had removed the frames that showed the thing rotating. Now with this 1952 movie the exact same thing happened. When the film was returned to the man he swore that they had removed the section of the film that showed one of the objects breaking off and flying in the opposite direction. This would have killed off the bird explanation. If two separate people are making this claim that their footage was tampered with by the USAF then makes you wonder if there's a cover-up?
It's written right there in the government's own files that the US navy thought it was interplanetary spacecraft.
Juan Butler
There were no such thing as UFO enthusiasts in 1957. The market only took off when Roswell got rediscovered in the 1970s. There was no money to be made from this only felony charges for the police chief for lying to the military. The police department really set up a hoax got the whole department involved, called the US Air Force and fed them bullshit just for jollies? Did no-one there care about their job or freedom? I told you the reports were all within a few hours, way before the media got hold of it. And the investigation did not see any evidence that they all knew each other. This wasn't MUFON you know this was the fucking USAF they were desperate to debunk UFOs if they never suggested it you can guarantee it wasn't an option. >why do you think ayys are a plausible explanation? Between unidentified meteorological phenomena and aliens hovering above US villages, which one is the most plausible in your honest opinion? UFOs are consistently reported to behave intelligently this is why they are aliens. There is no natural phenomenon that can knock out a car, an alien must have fired an EMP beam at them disabling the spark plugs.
Robert Howard
man,that is a head-scratcher
>zero effort by the main witness to profit off the incident, a highly-reliable local with absolutely no past or following history of interest in UFOs or anything like that >string of similar accounts leading up to the object's dramatic exit >documented physical signs of burns and disturbance
Easton Edwards
I really liked reading The Mothman Prophecies. The book had this lovely atmosphere despite how pragmatic the author made the account out to be.
Hunter Perry
>60 years later >cameras in almost every pocket or purse
trying to debunk the great flood is just as easy and equally useful.
Ethan Bennett
Yeah. It's a UFO case. By definition. Your point?
Cameron Gomez
Here we go with this predictable argument
Thousands of people take UFO pictures every year. What is a skeptic gonna say? That you must have faked it on your PC because everyone also has a PC. Therefore what is the point in coming forward with it? This is why you never see UFO pictures in the media despite everyone having a camera. If he was telling the truth then aliens are confirmed, I mean he saw the fuckers get out of the spaceship. But of course when faced with a case that cannot be explained by natural reasons they just assume hoax without giving any evidence as to why it's a hoax. It just is because it must be. How is this any better than saying it's aliens because it must be. One thing that I've realized is that skeptics are equally full of shit as the tinfoils are. Confirmation bias all over the place. When skeptics can't debunk a case they just ignore it. Again massive confirmation bias. Focus on the easy to debunk cases and use that as evidence that aliens aren't real when there's a ton of cases that are virtually impossible to explain without invoking aliens. But those are swept under the carpet. Confirmation bias.
Josiah Walker
>Thousands of people take UFO pictures every year
Post em then.
Jack Taylor
>When skeptics can't debunk a case they just ignore it. lol
What are they supposed to do? Say it's aliens? What you don't understand is most of the UFO cases are explainable, and even those that remain open (unexplained) are still liable for explanations. Even if we assume that we absolutely do not know what caused a UFO sighting, the fact that you would pick ayys as the explanation instead of yet undiscovered meteorological phenomena is not only absolutely ridiculous, it's also undeniable proof of your own confirmation bias. There is no way in hell you can prove ayys through a bunch of weird aerial phenomena. It will never be the plausible explanation. This is the real reason Veeky Forums never takes these seriously. It is not proof.
Christian Davis
UFO =/= alien spaceship
Oliver Martin
There was literally only 1 person on the Posters list you moron. That mean only the OP was posting in this thread up to when a 2nd person was added then a 3rd when posted.
Learn how Veeky Forums works you moron.
Hunter Thomas
If you want to talk to yourself you dont even need the internet
Cameron Russell
The first reply wasn't me. Anyway what is your point? Dismiss my claims because I allegedly samefagged a thread? What has that got to do with validity of the case? Furthermore samefagging isn't just posting a lot in your own thread it's pretending that there's a conversation going on. I was just posting information that didn't fit in the character limit. Anyway kill yourself. UFO = alien spaceship
ftfy
Luke Phillips
Pure non-sequitur attacks here. Can't say anything about the case so let's start a completely unrelated and irrelevant argument about samefagging that's not even true
Ayden Brown
>UFO = alien spaceship absolutely wrong if you know it is an alien spaceship you identified the flying object
Julian Ross
This is the only reply needed, cuck:
>Debunk what exactly? You do realize that "UFO" stands for "unidentified flying object" right?
Whether you identify something or not it is what it is. Just because we haven't identified it as an alien space ship doesn't mean it isn't an alien space ship
Tyler Watson
sure but it also doesnt mean it is
James Scott
All Veeky Forums has done is confirmation bias. You ignored the alien explanation and searched only for evidence that agreed with your pre-formed belief that it was a hoax. I actually didn't do that, I considered all the explanations and came to the conclusion that only aliens fit.
Josiah Long
>and came to the conclusion that only aliens fit yeah, talk about confirmation bias
Lincoln Rogers
>I considered all the explanations No, you didn't.
>and came to the conclusion that only aliens fit. You're mentally ill. There's no proof of aliens, anywhere. Veeky Forums doesn't have a confirmation bias, they consider whether it's truly unexplained or a hoax. Naturally we start by considering whether it is a hoax or actually worth investigating, which is why these threads always start with the hoax explanation and then consider every other explanation or possibility. Sometimes, cases remain "unexplained" because the footage/testimonies are not reliable enough to reach an explanation, not because we cannot naturally explain it.
