Brexit and Education

Most of the research grants used by British universities for projects without immediate economic return are EU funded.

Non-industry motivated science is taking a massive hit. Pretty much everyone in my department's grant proposals have been suspended already. Research groups will close or move.

The UK is not out it was simply a referendum. Whether or not the politicians choose to follow this is up to them.

It is mostly cherrypicking though. Many scientists hat how research is carried in the EU.

To note, the fear factor. The EU have already said that without us they fear collapse, either due to losing a large chunk of their member-base or due to triggering effect that the EU referendum, or certainly Britain leaving all together, would have upon already Eurosceptic political parties across the Union.

Therefore, I would suspect that they will seek a comprise of some kind, rather than risking outright collapse, political suicide or rioting.

That was nothing but a a referendum. GB won't be out for another 2 years famalam.

During the time between when the pound gets pounded in the arse we might as well have a second referendum.

Because of Brexit, fueled by misogyny and racism, the UK will go down in quality of science and refugees will have nowhere to go anymore

Good job

>in agreement

Yes there will always be an agreement on some level on any issue. It's not like the entire 7 billion population of the Earth has only 1 person that fucks dogs. The amount of scientist and researchers that will be affected by the Brexit is minimal, as most scientists and researchers from the UK are funded by their organizations that do all the heavy lifting for them. They don't really have to do anything but sit and wait for their orgs to sort things out. On top of that, the UK isn't leaving the EU overnight, it is a long, drawn out process and the UK is going to stay in the EU for quite some time before anything impactful actually happens, so nearly no one will be impacted by this in the long run.

The only people that will be at all affected down the line are the independently funded scientists and researchers who depend on government grants from other countries to go work for organizations on research. And, like I said, it is a long, drawn out process, so they will have plenty of time (half year to years) to fill out whatever paperwork is necessary for the funding to go through unabated as usual. To top that off, most of the """good""" research is funded in-state by universities such as Oxford, Cambridge, Imperial and Edinburgh. All in all, you will likely to see little to no change in the output of research quality or quantity over the coming years, barring maybe (incredible maybe) an initial pausing period as late-comers attempt to file their grants out at the last minute with the hope that UK will penultimately remain

Id say its extremely unlikely that it wont go through. Id expect to see article 50 invoked in the next few days, at worst it will be invoked immediately by Cameron's successor.

Its been stated by many people in the EU that once article 50 is invoked its irreversible, there will be no renegotiation of the UK's place in the EU

Things that could fix this in order of feasibility:

>Scottish independence: Edinburgh, Glasgow and RSA saved. Fortunate given proportion of faculty/students that are international. Potential reconsideration of the rest of Britain's decision.

>Successful petition for second referendum with over 60s disenfranchised, or "passionate speech" susceptible lower class better informed.

>Technocratic uprising, with the abandonment of democracy outside of academic bodies.

>The only people that will be at all affected down the line
The UK will probably be less involved in pan-european initiatives, if they are involved at all. Also whats going to happen to the ESA?

There wont be any reconsideration. Its happening sadly

Pan-european initiatives almost always are an extension of a pan-university research effort that has expended it's funding and has completed it's research goals but has concepts they want to explore further, so most likely these too will be relatively untouched. Nothing will happen to the ESA, it relies on voluntary contributions not mandatory EU-sanctioned donations, not to mention the UK is one of the largest contributors so it is likely they will not risk cutting UK funding of the ESA, assuming the EU will apply pressure to try and force the UK back in.

Ok thats good then

Why are you lying? We're all apolitical here you don't need to post this kind nonesense.

>it's funding
>it's research

It is fucking its ok?
It is its...

I'm not lying. If you think the Tories aren't gonna cut stuff that doesn't have an economic return you're delusional.

What about ESA membership?

Not EUSA, ESA

It's its then?

Graduing might get tougher. They dumbed it down to make the degrees (BSc, MSc etc) conform across all of the EU.

>RIP Skylon
Look up Hotol. The problem runs a LOT deeper than that.

>It seems
Well, they handily forget some non-EU funding. I got NATO funding in my time as a researcher in the UK and EU has nothing to do with that.

Also the "EU funding" does not arise in EU, rather it comes from member states, you know, like the UK. So UK can now spend it inside EU rather than send it to EU and wait for EU to send some back, minus the EU overhead.

Are we even in ESA anymore?

Nothing has changed because bitch ass leavers are too afraid to even invoke article 50, which would only mean that the actual brexit starts.

What did you know, we were right about leavers being a bunch of pussies topkek.

Democracy at its finest. Lets vote for all this shit... but then lets just ignore the outcome and pretend it never happened.

It's fucked. Pretty much every university here sent statements out to their entire student bodies that "nothing will change" but that's bullshit.

The UK was one of the few places left that still benefited greatly from funding bodies, although, that funding had tanked recently too -but it has tanked Europe wide, not just UK specific, stated before the UK still did rather well out of it.

If any deal is negotiated this is going to be far far far down on the list of priorities for any of our politicians who all have degrees in PPE and Art History.

>brexiters
David Cameron isnt a brexiter you fucking reprobate

It appears you really believe the UK gets more research finding from the EU than it pays towards the EU research finds.

Do you have any basis for this belief? The EU bureaucracy doesn't exactly work for free.

You said
>Pretty much everyone in my department's grant proposals have been suspended already.

You're fucking lying and you know it.

Is it not obvious that a science board would be concerned about that things that would affect academia and our future careers?

£350 million a week invested into the education system

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The UK funds the EU funding though!

But the EU reinvest that money where it's needed (including other EU countries). It's HIGHLY doubtful that the UK government would make up the shortfall left by the absence of EU funding of UK science.

Considering the financial black hole that is South Europe there has to be a net flow of moolahs from the North, including the UK; to the South.

Even if you believe the EU just overrules each country and decides how money is spent better than each national government you still have to pay for the gigantic bureacracy that is the EU.

That's not relevant, the point is that the UK science budget will suffer.

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How can you be so sure? First of all the UK no longer needs to subsidise Club Med. Secondly most politicians no matter party has a background from Oxford or Cambridge and will see the alma mater well funded.

Also the UK has many of the top ranked universities of the world and this brings in a lot of money from foreign students paying to study in the UK.

Wreck the budgets and see all foreign students leave.